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Game 22: Hail Hydra!

oml save the discussion for the call so its not so dead this time
by Nico P.
on Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:19 pm
 
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Game 22: Hail Hydra!

there's another call
by Nico P.
on Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:58 pm
 
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Game 22: Hail Hydra!

sorry aj i couldnt make this one active like i normally do Sad((((
by Nico P.
on Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:40 am
 
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Game 22: Hail Hydra!

The Hippie wrote:amazing that somehow all the inactive people can post now

to be fair i checked the game occasionally but didnt have enough time to make anything useful, so i just didnt post
by Nico P.
on Sat Feb 20, 2016 11:34 pm
 
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Game 22: Hail Hydra!

anyways, this is easily my most disappointing psanon result ever... and i can't really blame anyone else for it.
that's not to detract from town's win though - you guys played well!
by Nico P.
on Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:28 am
 
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Game 22: Hail Hydra!

in case you all were wondering why our activity dropped after d1, school started wrecking me so I couldnt do anything.
Other nico (who i'm legit 99% sure i know the identity of) did a fucking excellent job, though.
by Nico P.
on Sat Feb 20, 2016 3:26 am
 
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Ok this hooplah about Kayleigh and her "let my partner decide" statement is ridiculous. It's being blown way out of proportion and I don't know why it even points to her being scummy. Here is the post where she says it:

Kayleigh B. wrote:

Ok so i kinda agree with that Jenaro is saying here, but from the looks of this i think what happened yesterday was that Gemma and ash were fighting for no reason and that it is just a fight between two townies. Another thing i saw was that when The Reporter called The Hippie out, he did also start to get strangely active and i Think the Hippie randomly lynched ash just because Gemma flipped town.

I can also see another fight between two town for no reason and mafia is just sitting there waiting to hammer. some other people i think could be suspicious is Brutella due to the fact she is blaming her other self for the lynches and playing bad and The Reporter as The reporter only lynched The Hippie from the start and hasn't said much since. i also agree with my partner of yas being scummy due to the fact that he hasnt said much except following on the gemma lynch.

I just decided to put my input on what i think is going on so far and i'll let my other half decide on what is the best way to approach this.


In this post, she addresses Jenaro's statement about how he thought the argument between The Hippie and Ash was likely either 1 town 1 scum or 2 town. She provides insight as to who she thinks seems scummy and then finishes by saying that she is waiting to see what her other half wants to do with their lynch and move on from there.

The entire idea of having 2 coordinated people on one account immediately pointing to being scummy makes is stupid. If that was the case, all a mafia member would have to do is seem like their other half didnt agree with them and they would seem townie. Speaking of this, guess who the first person to bring up this "let my other half decide" idea was?

Brutella Q. wrote:something I just noticed see how Kayleigh B. said "I just decided to put my input on what i think is going on so far and i'll let my other half decide on what is the best way to approach this."

When you're town, really you don't know what's going on and there's only a few options that will work out for you, and most people believe that they're right and that they know better than their partner. When you're mafia however it's a way smaller risk to let your partner decide something when it comes to lynches, seeing as your partner probably won't lynch a mafia, instead they'll lynch a townie. At most you'll look a bit scummy when letting your partner decide, assuming you can make up for any mistakes they make so you don't get lynched. As town the worst that could happen is a misslynch, which is a lot worse. This is just a small thing I noticed, and it doesn't mean I think kayleigh is mafia, it means I think they're being a bit too cooperative with their partner to make much sense, which is scummy.


Brutella, the person with arguably the two halves that get along the least, brings up this point only a couple of posts after Kayleigh makes her's. It seems extremely convenient to me that this is the case, as Brutella knows that this same argument can not be used against her, as if it was planned that way. I'm starting to see Brutella as more of a scumread than I had before now that I'm dissecting this info, and I will continue looking through Kayleigh's posts for anything that makes me feel the same as the people currently suspecting her.

by Nico P.
on Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:49 pm
 
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The Hippie wrote:nico - lurking? inactive? he almost got me lynched instead of mafia so he seems kinda scummy but gives decent insight when he posts his reads lists but his reads list is everyone more likely town besides me. Also he listed the three people he wanted to lynch in order but then ultimately went against it which is kinda weird. Probably my vote to lynch just because of the fact that keeping him alive later might be a liability.


Alright, I have no excuse for my inactivity other than I did not have time to post due to irl issues that hindered my ability to stay online for more than a few minutes. My reads list was a bit rushed because it was so close to deadline, and I tended to make people slightly town over slightly scum if I didn't have solid reasoning to suspect them. The three people I listed early day 2 were the three people being lynched by other people at the time and I thought it would be a good place to start making reads, my late day reads was when I went back and looked through every post that everyone had made.

This readlist is practically the only insight The Hippie has provided since day one, and he pushed a lynch on Mirror Ash who I had thought was fairly townie, and sure enough he was town. His lynches have been without valid reasoning for so long that I can't see them being reasonable. The lynch on Kayleigh doesn't make much sense, but I'll look into that now. It just doesn't make sense to me for a VT to act this way.

lynch The Hippie
by Nico P.
on Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:19 pm
 
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Lacy H. wrote:dont lynch jenaro imo, nico. Also can you explain your absence.


irl stuff that I don't want to get into here, but it involved my family and I wasn't able to be online for a few days, except to check on the game for a couple of minutes at a time.
by Nico P.
on Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:02 pm
 
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Everyone seems to at least somewhat suspect Jenaro at this point, or so it seems.  I'm seeing people pointing out his late day lynches on players, and I interpret it like this:  Either she's a mafia member trying to get points for a lynch on town at the end of the day(Gemma)/avoid suspicion by lynching the mafia member that was to be lynched (TR), or it's a town member believing that both Gemma and TR were scum (as some people had to for them both to get lynched) and trying to get points for lynching scum.  

The end of day lynches make no sense if they weren't made in an attempt to gain points because neither of them affected the lynchcount meaningfully and one of them was after deadline.  

As a mafia member, it makes no sense to risk an end of day risk on someone that you know is mafia (Gemma day 1), and if you want to point at Jenaro's lynch on TR as an attempt to avoid suspicion, then we also need to look into The Hippie's lynch on TR that day with NO INFO WHATSOEVER.  Lacy was tunneling TR for the entire game so I don't see her as being scum, as that is an extremely risky strategy if she were scum.

Also, on her lynch yesterday on Mirror Ash, anybody who was town or mafia would lynch someone else to take plurality off of themselves given the opportunity, as for one it loses you points, something that Jenaro obviously cares about, and it also isn't logical for a town or mafia player to let themselves get lynched.
by Nico P.
on Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:01 pm
 
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Game 22: Hail Hydra!

I'm back and caught up. My deepest apologies. Posts incoming.
by Nico P.
on Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:39 pm
 
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The Hippie wrote:I was actually in two minds yesterday. I thought that either Ash or Gemma was scum, but only one of them. I posted a failsafe, too, where I stated that if Ash is town then Gemma is scum. The inverse has happened, and Gemma is town. Therefore: VOTE: Mirror Ash


This is what I was referencing.
by Nico P.
on Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:42 pm
 
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Day 2 reads (sorry for being so close to deadline but I haven’t had the time to put this together recently and they take a lot of effort to really analyze everyone):

Brutella: 101 posts between pregame and Day 1, 9 posts on Day 2.  Apparently she got backed up and had to reread, but there were two active Brutellas at the end of day 1.  Regardless, most of her posts today are targeted at The Reporter and her lack of original content in her posts.  Overall, I can’t find too many reasons to suspect her besides the late switch to lynch Gemma. 65% town, 35% scum.

Jenaro:  His only meaningful posts are those on Day 1 talking about partner meta and people on each account trying to cover for each other.  It honestly all went over my head, I don’t see how it can affect whether someone is scummy or not, except when looking at lynches/unlynches.  Also, her readlist today (ingame) leaves much to be desired with Yas as a top scumread with a slight one on The Reporter that was fairly half baked.  Nothing about his posts screams scum but he seems to just have a ton of filler posts.  40% town, 60% scum.

Kayleigh:  I like her playstyle.  Aggressive, uses good points to validate her ideas, and despite the lack of postcount compared to other players none of her posts are without meaningful content.  The only knocks on her are her being one of the first lynches on Gemma, and her “let my other half decide” statement, which I think was blown completely out of proportion.  80% town, 20% scum.

Mirror Ash: I’ve mostly covered Ash on Day 1, so this will be based mostly on Day 2.  Early on in the day, both users were on the account at the same time, yet they had mostly the same views on things.  Ash as a whole suspected Yas the most, as most of us did at this point.  When Yas began to mellow out and made his readlist, he began to move on to other targets, like The Reporter.  His lynch on TR was based on the fact that she was being hypocritical and simply restating other people’s ideas, which is true.  Most of what he has done today is what you would expect a  townie to typically do.  70% town, 30% scum.

The Hippie:  He has lynched 3 different people today.  Ash, Yas, and The Reporter. Not sure about Ash, but when he lynched Yas and The Reporter they either were or became the person with the most lynches on them.  He uses a bogus argument when he lynches Ash, no argument when he lynches The Reporter, and lynched Yas based on activity.  All three of his lynch targets today were based on flawed logic or no logic at all.  He has taken a turn from how he played on Day 1 and it reeks of scum.  75% scum, 25% town.

The Reporter:  At the time of my writing this, The Reporter has the most lynches on her.  She started the day playing catch up, commenting on anything that caught her eye.  She still had her eyes on Mirror Ash from Day 1, but dropped it after Ash explained what she wanted him to explain.  Her lynch on Yas started the entire wagon on Yas that ended with her unlynching Yas after he defended his activity and lynch on Gemma, and posting a readlist that I also unlynched him because of.  The claim that she is “lynch happy” comes from the fact that she has lynched so many people today, but it’s not like there weren’t reasons for her to lynch and unlynch each of them.  Lacy claims that she passively tells people not to change their lynch, yet her lynch on Yas caused three other people to look into and eventually lynch Yas.  Her lynch on The Hippie was fairly questionable but when she realized that she didn’t have a reason to lynch him she backed off.  I don’t see her as lynch happy, but she has been quite agreeable and that may be what Lacy is trying to attack.  55% town, 45% scum.

Lacy: The one clear thing about Lacy is that she wants The Reporter lynched.  She has been pushing for this lynch since late Day 1, with the reasoning that she is just playing passively and hoping other people get lynched.  However, looking at the fact that TR has lynched more people than anyone else in the game, and aggresively pushed a lynch on Yas for some time, this doesn’t appear to be the case to me.  Besides this, she has pressured Yas when the rest of us were, and pretty much backed off when the rest of us did.  The lack of variety in targets may be due to having only one active user on the account for most of the day, but she IS tunneling hard on The Reporter.  50% town, 50% scum.

Yas: I’ve pretty much covered my thoughts on Yas’ actions today, but I’ll put them here for reference.  At the start of the day, I looked into his posts on Day 1 and noticed his lack of explanation for his lynch on Gemma and his weird activity spikes when pressured.  He later refuted both arguments and gave me reason to unlynch.  His readlist was a main point for me because he detailed his exact thoughts on each player and gave you true insight into his mindset at the time. 60% town, 40% scum.

To everybody, please don't simply look at my read for you personally, take a couple of minutes to at least check my ideas on each player.

After looking through every post made on Day 2, and looking into the Day 1s of the people who had less memorable posts from then, I feel that The Hippie is the scummiest player in the game at this point.  He lynches without reasoning, and when providing reason it makes little to no sense, such as his idea that either Gemma or Mirror Ash had to be scum.

Lynch The Hippie

I don't want deadline to be reached without The Hippie getting a chance to defend himself, hopefully he responds before then.
by Nico P.
on Wed Feb 10, 2016 8:24 pm
 
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The Hippie wrote:ive been reading the thread and I think that we should Lynch The Reporter.

IDK it seems to make sense.


"It seems to make sense."

Please provide some reasoning for your lynches. It looks scummy as hell when you don't.
by Nico P.
on Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:48 pm
 
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ajhockeystar wrote:"completely ignored". You didn't make it visible enough in your wall of text. I don't read them fully all the time, sometimes I skim, and so I miss the lynches if they're in the giant text like lynch name. You have to make them more visible, like this:

lynch name

If you do that then I won't miss them. Not singling you out Brutella, just using you as an example for everyone who does this. So yeah, everyone, (I feel like I have to make this clear every game smh), make your votes clear, please and thanks.


Barely posts at all first day, starts bossing people around and telling them how to lynch.  ajhockeystar pretty much confirmed scum at this point in my book.

Edited for bad grammar
by Nico P.
on Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:42 pm
 
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One major thing I took from Yas W's readlist was that he had Mirror Ash as a strong town read. I feel that, if Yas were scum, he would at least have Ash as a slight town, if not neutral or scum read to divert the lynch to him. I obviously could be looking too far into this, but it makes me see him as more town than scum.

unlynch Yas W.
by Nico P.
on Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:00 pm
 
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Yas W. wrote:I prefer to make a read list without any opinions on anyone. I don't know if it's true for everyone, but many time you think people are scum just because you are in the heat of the game. When you actually step back and look, you might think like "hey, that's not scum at all! what was I thinking?" Personally, I believe if you are making a read list you should have a clear mind. Then, you wouldn't be hunting for evidence, but view the game from a bigger perspective - to see the interactions and motives that might not be clear in the beginning.


I agree with this. While playing the game, you may get different reads on people based on what you see as scummy at that point. You also obviously aren't playing the whole game in one sitting, so you may forget things. It's best to go through the person's posts, find what truly seems to be townie/scummy, and move from there to make your read.
by Nico P.
on Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:23 pm
 
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Jenaro K. wrote:
Lacy H. wrote:Oh also yes READ THE GAME. The real game starts on Page like 10, the first 8-10 pages are literally gemma shitposting.


I resent that. While my serious self did it less so, I was one of the biggest shitposters. Tyvm.


Not really something to be proud of imo.
by Nico P.
on Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:27 pm
 
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Jenaro K. wrote:Kay- (I don't want to go back and find you name spelling). For me, Kay is more of a neutral/slightly town read. I really don't have much to go on with her. Sorry.

Brutella- Neutral read. You had some disagreements with partner and was called out as scummy by Hippie. Really, I can't see you leaning any way, atm. I would like to see more posts on day two so I can get a better read. You don't lean as town or scum for me. Neutral read only atm.

Lacy- (Or is it lucy)? One of the most inactive players. She was hardly around day 1 and has only really shown herself when she accused the reporter. Not a scummy act, as the reporter looked scummy, then. She's neutral, leaning slightly scummy. Please post more.


When making readlists, I'd prefer if you looked back and made sure you have your facts right (such as but not limited to people's names) so that you can make an accurate readlist.
by Nico P.
on Sun Feb 07, 2016 3:57 pm
 
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Yas W. wrote:Gemma was scummy to me, as I said Day 1, because her reasonings of using pregame content to judge Mirror Ash. Moreover, it was quite abrupt considering she had been attacking Mirror Ash. Then, she proceeds to make a read list, which claims that I was online everyday with no posts. That is not true. Moreover, she claims that all my posts are useless, when actually, she used the point I made about how if everyone is against her she isn't scum later on. Lastly, I was skeptical why she had Nico as scummiest, but did not make any attempt to pressure him. These were my reasonings to justify Gemma's lynch. The part I said we get info from Gemma anyways is merely to say that we benefit, from a Gemma lynch either way, solidifying my choice for Day 1.

Also Nico, sorry if your scumhunting is not the same to me. How I scumhunt is looking for interaction and motive. Since Gemma interacted with many people, we can who actively pushed for her lynch, or who did not. Also, the motives can be analyzed easier now that we know Gemma is town. It's easier to see if it's townvtown, scumvscum and scumvtown now imo. I don't expect you to agree with me that Gemma lynch provides good info, but to say that my lynch on Gemma was not justified is wrong imo.


Thank you. Yes, there was definitely more information received for lynching Gemma than say, you day 1 (keep in mind your post count was around 10 as opposed to Gemma having more than 50). I'm saying that what we learned about these interactions are the same things we would have learned had we lynched mirror ash, or any active player for that matter.
by Nico P.
on Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:27 am
 
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Yas W. wrote:In my defense, I had both the reporter and Nico as my scumlist Day 1. Anyways, my question that I asked Nico was not to attack him but just for clarification. The point now is, why did you not question Nico when he basically did the same thing as me? Your latest post also seems overly defensive, Nico was not even focus on you for half the post.


What I did was different from what you did. When I chose between the three people getting lynched, I put in effort to determine who I thought was scummy and share it with everyone else. When you chose, not only was it between three people who were lynching you, you provided barely any new info, saying "out of the three, the hippie is the scummiest" without going into any detail on myself or the reporter.
by Nico P.
on Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:22 am
 
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Mirror Ash wrote:
Nico P. wrote:
Mirror Ash wrote:I am pretty sure he was talking to Yas on how he lynched from the 3 people who lynched him and how he is basically a hypocrite.


I'd appreciate if you took the time to actually check your facts before posting, you would see that it was not me who called Yas out for lynching between the 3 people lynching him.

All that does for him is guarantee that he will be called out for OMGUS and that's his decision.  I personally have not seen anything posted by Yas or anyone else for that matter that has changed my opinion on my lynch so far.  Yas, you're going about defending yourself the completely wrong way.  You need to defend yourself against the reasons people are lynching you, not the nitpicks of their posts that you find to be slightly scummy.

hey hey hey why are you so rude all of a sudden. I most definitely did check my facts and you lynched from 3 people, then Yas asked you why you limited yourself to 3 people. After all the shit happened Yas lynched from the 3 people who lynched him. Therefore Yas is a hypocrite is what the other Mirror Ash was implying which is actually kinda true. honestly dude....


Sorry, I was reading through two pages of info and quoting several posts. I misread what you posted and thought you were calling me a hypocrite.
by Nico P.
on Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:18 am
 
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Yas W. wrote:
Nico P. wrote:
Yas W. wrote:I have no intent to make me look like I post a lot. I have admitted in the past many times that I am not active and I only post twice a day. You, however, seems to be obsessed with lynching people that are not active and when he is active says oh now you are active: Scum!



This isn't the problem.  The problem is not your lack of activity. It is the fact that your activity only spikes at times when you feel threatened, whether it be by a lynch or simply someone suspecting you.  You have practically 0 posts that don't come recently after being suspected or lynched by someone, besides your lynch on Gemma which I already went over.


Oh, give me a break already. As I said, it could be day whatever and you are still gonna bring up the fact I wasn't active in the early game. I am here now, okay? Let it go.


You are here now. You also have 3 lynches on you. Your activity has spiked in exact correlation with how many people find you scummy at that time. That to a lot of people is quite scummy. I know that isn't something you can change at the moment, but there are still other things, such as your lack of original ideas in your posts, that can be changed right now. Stop complaining about people lynching you and do something about it.
by Nico P.
on Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:01 am
 
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Mirror Ash wrote:I am pretty sure he was talking to Yas on how he lynched from the 3 people who lynched him and how he is basically a hypocrite.


I'd appreciate if you took the time to actually check your facts before posting, you would see that it was not me who called Yas out for lynching between the 3 people lynching him.

All that does for him is guarantee that he will be called out for OMGUS and that's his decision. I personally have not seen anything posted by Yas or anyone else for that matter that has changed my opinion on my lynch so far. Yas, you're going about defending yourself the completely wrong way. You need to defend yourself against the reasons people are lynching you, not the nitpicks of their posts that you find to be slightly scummy.
by Nico P.
on Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:58 am
 
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Yas W. wrote:I have no intent to make me look like I post a lot. I have admitted in the past many times that I am not active and I only post twice a day. You, however, seems to be obsessed with lynching people that are not active and when he is active says oh now you are active: Scum!



This isn't the problem. The problem is not your lack of activity. It is the fact that your activity only spikes at times when you feel threatened, whether it be by a lynch or simply someone suspecting you. You have practically 0 posts that don't come recently after being suspected or lynched by someone, besides your lynch on Gemma which I already went over.
by Nico P.
on Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:48 am
 
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