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Natchi, I'm the type that tends to give up if I'm losing. I haven't completely given up yet, but I'm struggling to get the motivation to scumhunt, especially since im not making progress with my scumhunting.

That being said Natchi/Mizuno look town, last town slot for me would be either Wakana or Kezoki.

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^ not going to lie, the fact that town is at lylo kind makes me pretty unmotivated

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Gonna go sleep now, my last thoughts are that Natchi is town. I ISO'd her and the way she's playing (crossing examining posts bit by bit) reminds me of my old town play.

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I really feel Mizuno is town now. At first her posts are very easy to imitate as scum, but after thinking about her posts I find it hard to see it coming from mafia.

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catching up

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Wakana O. wrote:"By going past the borderline" I meant that just because of one post that does not connect me to anything or anybody else automatically says that I am most probably or am scum. For example, saying hi in a post most likely means that I am scum. Brb, need to do some other things and will post more later. Also I already said the scumteams in my other post and also Warden, how come you viewed me as clean but now I am scum without no explanation from you.

As said, I felt I overlooked something, so I listed players from town to scum rather than just giving hard reads.

It went something like:
Kezoki
Agatha
Natchi
Wakana
Mizuno
Brendan
Nicolai

And the ones I'm super sure are town are the top two.

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Mizuho N. wrote:
Warden H. wrote:
Mizuho N. wrote:1.) Well google is free to use you know but I will tell you anyway. Boolean is the concept of True and False. Aka Town and Mafia. When something is town then it cant be mafia. Thats basically PoE and I am sure you know why I dont agree with it...at all....

2.) What from the start of the game up to near the end of Day 3? Thats hard to believe.

3.) Definitely not, i triple checked the ISOs and you didnt mention about the fight. You only town read osashi when you talked about her pressing him, but that was Day 2, not the day when the fight happened.

Okay

I stated early in the game that your actions seemed forced.

Okay. How do you ISO?

2.) But you read me as Null, not scum. Plus that was, as you said, at the start of the game. I am sure you could have more than 1 in a period of Day 1- Middle to Day 3 - End

3.) At the start of the topic AJ posted a playerlist with the rules of the game and everything right? Well if you open the alive spoiler then you see all the players. If you click on the names then ot takes you to all the posts that they have posted.

Yes, I noted that while your posts seemed rather pro-town, they seemed forced and could be imitated by scum, thus a null read.

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At this stage I figure i've overlooked something. I think Nicolai is the first scum, and the second and third scum is among Brendan, Mizuno, Natchi or Wakana

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Mizuho N. wrote:1.) Well google is free to use you know but I will tell you anyway. Boolean is the concept of True and False. Aka Town and Mafia. When something is town then it cant be mafia. Thats basically PoE and I am sure you know why I dont agree with it...at all....

2.) What from the start of the game up to near the end of Day 3? Thats hard to believe.

3.) Definitely not, i triple checked the ISOs and you didnt mention about the fight. You only town read osashi when you talked about her pressing him, but that was Day 2, not the day when the fight happened.

Okay

I stated early in the game that your actions seemed forced.

Okay. How do you ISO?

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Okay so the lag on the site is terrible, so I'm not going to quote.

So the stuff that when through my head today:

The reason why Agatha is town is mostly because you can't help but sense a town feeling. It's mostly everything she said about gut reads that really convinced me. I don't think its easy to fake.

The reason i felt Kezoki was town was because of his aggressiveness. Granted its not necessarily a town tell, but like my other reads it doesn't come off as forced.

I kinda agree with Brendan that Mizuno has this weird feeling (which i basically had since the beginning of the game)

@Mizuno:
What is a boolean

no you're overreading. I don't have scumreads because I don't.

can't remember whether i posted anything about osashi vs kezoki, although i remember thinking it was a town fight.

pedit: Because brendan actually posted something, which i dont find scummy.

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unvote: brendan T.
Vote:Nicolai
Yeah this is better.

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Apologies for the inactivity. I'm also in a rush at the moment, so I won't be able to completely analyse the situation.

Anyhow, I've thought about this carefully, and I'm gonna post this real quick for the sake of organisation (and if anyone is curious too).

Town
Wakana
Natchi
Agatha

Suspect List
Mizuno
Nicolai
Kezoki
Brendan

vote Brendan T.

I'm going to think about this carefully later (and post an analyse probs), but I feel Kezoki is towniest of the suspects.

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Mizuno, could you explain what you concluded from the "everyone is scum" list?

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Agatha A. wrote:however, if you insist on me posting a scumlist I'll do my best to make one

uh you don't need to make a scumlist, you just need to help?

I'm really confused here, what exactly is your plan?

Mizuho N. wrote:
Warden H. wrote:
If you townread all the actives, then scum is in the inactives. Simple as that. You don't look in the actives for scum.

It's not like im going to solely PoE my way through, if I find something scummy then naturally, i scumread him.

1.) But the problem is scum might not be inactives and there's our game gone. As Wakana said(and i sorta said that but no one listens to me) that it doesnt mean scum is not part of the active group, because scum might be pretty active and towny. Which why i said you need to look for the scummiest rather than the least town!

2.) Exactly, and thats why i made a scumlist, to make this easier lol.

If you read everyone active as town (I haven't, but let's assume someone does), then scum is in the inactives. If scum is not in the inactives, then its your fault for not reading properly, not the method's.

How do you intend to read the inactives? Are you just going to ignore them and assume all the scum is in the actives?

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Mizuho N. wrote:
Natchi F. wrote:
Mizuho N. wrote:
2.) What is PoE?

*Pops in*
Process of Elimination
(I think)
*Leaves*

Well in that case.... PoE is flawed. Why? Because if we are gonna use process of elimination then that means you would townread everyone active as most people atm is townreading the active people and nulling the inactives. So using PoE that leaves inactives. There are 2 things that are wrong with this.

1.) You are encouraging the lynch of inactives and as Natchi said, if we keep lynching inactives then that could open up a possibility for maf to win. Scum detector is beeping.

2.) Ok so we have townread everyone who is active....and then there are no inactives left as either some have come on and become active and others would be lynched, so is PoE really gonn solve the problem? No.

And if you start talking about we can just look for the scummiest in the people we have townread or something like that then thats why i made a scumlist.

So whats the point of a scumlist? To make progress instead of pulling wool over our eyes and townreading everyone!

If you townread all the actives, then scum is in the inactives. Simple as that. You don't look in the actives for scum.

It's not like im going to solely PoE my way through, if I find something scummy then naturally, i scumread him.

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Kezoki Q. wrote:Let me just justify my lynch with some new arguments. Agatha comes on the game twice, the first time she says this
Agatha A. wrote:hmm... forgot my name

which is, of course, useless filler. The second time she comes on, a week later, she says she forgot about the game, asks for a summary, and disappears once more.
Agatha A. wrote:I'm so sorry! I forgot about the game... I knew I was forgetting something but I couldn't remember what... can someone give me a summary of what happened?

The fact that Agatha did this could show us that Agatha wants us to think that she is town and wants to be co-operative, but clearly she isnt as she has been a while.

What was your original argument for your lynch?

Quite frankly, I'm pretty sure town is capable of that, but a very poor town, I'm not really opposed to policy lynching Agatha.

Mizuho N. wrote:Anyway so this game has experienced a massive depression in activeness...

Just wanna point something out, when we say that we are lynching the scummiest player, are we actually doing that? Or are we lynching the least towny..... (Come on Mizuho dont be ridiculous now they are both the same thing) to that I say OBJECTION! because theoretically, someone can act towny but still be scummy in a way. At the moment we actually look at the balance between town and scum...but should we be doing that? Again in theory, its the scumminess that makes people scum, not the towniness that makes people town. (If you dont understand what I am trying to say then I apologize because i really dont know how to explain it)

So I want to add something new to the table. A scumread of everyone! So here it is.

Kezoki - Your posts are a bit "hazy". Although you are complaining about inactives, you are kinda inactive yourself, not in terms of posting, but in terms of content that you are posting. Literally barely any of the content actually helps town...that is until you posted the agatha thing which I would say is pretty good...but still i felt that the fact you waited until now to say something very helpful to town is a bit fishy to me.

Wakana - Although posts seem town, there isnt actually much content posted or in other words, she is half active. This could mean that she is trying to look town but keep the post count low so that you cant catch her out for scum. In addition there have been a few places where I saw Wakana come online but not post anything, but I sorta ignored them, suggesting that she could be lurking. Also the Toran thing was a little farfetch'd which could suggest she is trying to mislead us.... (this piece of analysis is a bit harsh but wynaut)

Agatha - As Kezoki said, Agatha asked for a summary but has not taken any action after almost 2 days. This suggests that she is trying to make us believe she is going to be towny and co-operative but clearly she isnt. There is also a fishy thing between Natchi and Agatha, I will explain that in Natchi's read.

Kenzo - Came online but never posted....lurker prehaps?....

Brendan - Same as Kenzo

Warden - You come here from time to time and posts a townread or two, this gives the impression that you are coasting through the game as you are just townreading people and really we wanna find scum. You might say that you think no one is scum but jeez, I dont think you will after you see this lol.

Natchi F. Gradually going on the defensive side when before you were very active and in a way, keen to lynch Jenina. What I really didnt understand is that why were you so persistant on Jenina? Like you only mentioned Nicolai a bit later but you always directed the attention on Jenina and as a result Agatha was saved....scumteam prehaps? Seriously, compared to Day 1, you have done almost nothing Day 2.

Nicolai - No comment.... (see why Jenina has been lynched for the same reasons)

Mizuho - He is gr8, i r8 8/8, no db8 jus appreci8 m8.

Osashi - The way you started pressing on Kezoki then abruptly stopped, made question marks appeared over my head. Could it be that Osashi is a scumteam with Kezoki and just did this as a facade to make sure no one suspects them as a team? And then Kezoki was confused and started replying back rudely? (Although i just said this, I actually disagree with my own point because Osashi kept the lynch on Kezoki and there is something called quicktopic so i doubt mafia would ever be confused of each other's actions.) Also its weird because you asked a question to Kezoki so that he can answer. I believe he did elaborate and you did specify that you lynched him to spur conversation....so your wish came true and conversation has been spurred, if you were a townie, surely that means you would check regularly especially at that point because of the fact it was your question, and you were the one who lynched him, so you are the one who wants the info a bit more than anyone else....

That's all folks! To get all these scumreads I had to go SUPER AGGRO so yeah lol. Some of them were a little harsh tho. Feel free to add to the lists!

what is the point of this? there are 3 scum.

Also, PoE is a thing.

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Mod: Sub out all the inactives?

I like osashi for town, the way she's pushing kezoki doesnt seem forced or desperate.

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@Mizuno

I'm always lazy, I don't remember what happened that night, but I think the fact that there was nothing that I wanted to post about didn't help either.

I'm not really against her lynch, but I don't really intend to lynch her unless there really is no one scummy.

@Natchi
Although I want town to win, there are bigger priorities I have, being tired included.

I don't really agree with lynching Jenna (It's normal to have no time to read but just wanting to post to confirm you are there), but the act of being pissed off somewhat gives off a town vibe of Natchi.

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Okay i got my 5 bucks (If you want to know how I knew, its because its happened every single game). If you really want to know why, then its because some people like me like to check on things, but are to lazy to post.

So far I like Wakana for town, because she took action very quickly. Mizuno did the same, but it really seems forced, so null.

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gonna catch up. Also betting 5 bucks someone is going to post that i was online yesterday but didn't talk.

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confirm