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Game 32: Farmer's Hydra (Part 2)

lol you guys think these points matter do you ever check the leaderboard this tournament has been over for 2 years.

Game 32: Farmer's Hydra (Part 2)

Cherry P. wrote:

Caroline M. wrote:Lmfao i love how most QTs are somewhat productive and then theres me and carol like "how should we confuse town for the lolz"

my qt is just me talking to new partners continuously ;-;

My partner and I were a tag team that swapped once at like day 3

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"You talk waaaaay too much it's becoming extremely hard to keep up because every time I come online I have to read my interactions with everyone and then see if I agree with myself or not smh"

I wouldn't have wanted to be paired with that Halsey either tbh

Game 32: Farmer's Hydra (Part 2)

Had Emmy/Kimmy read d2 ask aj

Thanks for listening to me in some extent (although I realize most of the pressure was from Emmy and my drop in activity once school started didnt help).

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"if jeremiah dies"

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So atm, it's definitely Kimmy + Clara/Emmy/Cherry (probability of each one is in order from left to right, most likely to least)

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well hey the new infernando. you should really go read back as you'll understand more / get reads easier.

Too bad Caroline, I'll tell my Skuntank to use Poison Jab to Counter your measly Dazzling Gleam

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Agh, I only remembered this 1 day before DL, wtf me? Also, I assume my partner has forgotten too, since he said so in our QT. I’ll also say the things he said, as I agree with some of the points. You guys aren’t probably gonna change your minds, probably going to make you guys SR me even more, but I hope you use this information well next day (if you guys do lynch us).
For now, responses.

Kimmy S. wrote:[bVote Jeremiah[b

I still believe this is scum, they've done pretty much nothing for the whole of Day 2 to convince me otherwise, if anything, they basically stood aside to let Shepherd die to save themselves. 

I like how Halsey tried to resolve the whole thing with Caroline, feels like town wanting to move on from unproductive stuff imo. Would like to know what's your opinion on Caroline, and whether they're Town/Scum/NAI from this whole fiasco. Also, mind giving us a hint on this new thought process, and why it would help Town more than using the regular ol' "lynch and look at reactions" style of scumhunting?

Cherry, when will you have more time to explain the vote on me? I would appreciate a small brief about it if you're unable to provide a full case on me atm at least. Didn't like the commenting on the Night Kill like that when it provides nothing, but it doesn't ping me excessively hard right now compared to others.

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I'm really sitting on the fence about Cherry right now, they've done some decently towny stuff, but they've been behaving rather scummily as well, the way they dropped the case on Halsey was timed well but the whole case was originally pretty weird. They've also haven't done much Day 2 that makes me especially lean to one side, so I'm looking for others' opinions here.

Anyways, I need to go soon so bye, posting more later.

1. Am I not allowed to lynch my top scumread??
2. I agree about the Halsey thing, he actively tries to gamesolve and move town in the right direction (why I TR him).
3. Cherry has acted weirdly during the game so far imo, she’s pretty defensive, but she has done a some towny things, but scummy things also. They’ve been confusing to me imo (as in where to read them).

Emmy A. wrote:Regarding Clara, you say that a Clara+Shepherd scumteam becomes more viable if she starts a shift to you. As you acknowledge yourself she mentioned not having looked into you as much yet, and this feels a lot like someone setting up a Clara lynch before Clara can fully scumread you (such that you can say "It's not omgus, I said I'd scumread her if she did this!"). Phrased differently, it's as if you're trying to trap her: if she scumreads you she must be scum and partners with Shepherd (which by the way, what made you conclude she could only be with Shepherd if she pushed you?), if she doesn't you still bring up the "there are strong reasons but I haven't looked back at him yet" to push her with. 

Your Halsey read seems vague, but that may be me nitpicking. Basically it's throwing out a lot of phrases that don't necessarily point to anything alignment-wise (he's responding quickly and asking questions/analyzing well, good for him), which I've seen scum do before when they just want to sheep the consensus.

The Shepherd read was commented on yesterday, I still don't see a problem with the read itself.

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Admittedly your comment on Cherry primarily responding to things is somewhat valid, as is the activity drop Day 2. I need to go over Cherry's posts when I have time to see if this a recurring trend though.

1. The timing of Clara saying that, was just weirdly timed imo, which lead me to believe that a Clara + Shepherd scumteam was possible, and that I thought that post was contradictory, since she said there were strong reasons (meaning more than one she knew), but she said she hadn’t looked into it yet a lot,  but she already stated there were “MANY STRONG REASONS” to lynch me.
2. I feel like analysing posts makes posts easier to understand for everybody, which is why it’s a reason I TR him.  Asking questions, for me, is actively scumhunting, since it’s waiting for a response and acting on a response. Him responding quickly, makes it faster and easier for the person who asked it to analyse that respond, progressing town into a better direction faster.

Emmy A. wrote:There's a dissonance here from Jeremiah that doesn't read as town. To begin with, the initial comment of "How about you list examples, hmm?" implies that he's unsatisfied with your response and thus still scumreads you. Yes he instantly turns around to call your defense a good one when all you basically said was, "Your argument is bad," something he presumably disagrees with since (A) the first line implies he doesn't think he making a bad argument and (B) if he was town he'd have no reason to intentionally push a bad argument and make a pressure vote for the sole-purpose of making someone post. He'd be more concerned with the content of the post itself. As Dr. Proctor mentioned it's another example of passivity, like he wanted to appear to be scumhunting/pushing someone but was ready to back off at the slightest sign of a defense.

Dissonance? What the fuck does that mean?
As I’ve said, it was mostly a reaction/pressure lynch for them to react with my not-full-effort read. the “how about you list examples, hmm?” was kinda a joke to my hypocrisy, since I also rarely listed examples, but yes I also wanted examples of her defence. A) I knew it was not really a good of a read, as I said, it was mostly to gain reactions. B) R e a c t i o n L y n c h. Reads are somewhere else in this post.

Caroline M. wrote:The points Jeremiah made here are sound and makes sense, however despite having the capacity to apply more pressure himself by using his lynch, he doesn't yet still wants others to put more pressure on her. Perhaps he is too afraid to lynch her because he didn't want anyone to think he was OMGUSing? It comes across as being too self-aware which is what Cherry called start of day 1.

I already lynched Cherry before that point, which is why I said I’d appreciate more pressure on her, so this point isn’t valid.

Caroline M. wrote:Now THIS is the weird part, truly dazzles me. I'd appreciate if someone else can check if Jeremiah scumread Halsey most of day 1 because I couldn't find a single instance. But Jeremiah literally just outright lied!

Still not sure whether my partner did SR him or not, but if he didn’t, then I just didn’t remember correctly then.

Halsey N. wrote:Jeremiah on the other hand, townlocked me with no explnation whatsoever. Kimmy, I went through a full argument which meant he had no loyalty at the beginning and keeps asking me quesitons so there's that atleast. However, he has ignored some of my posts, hasnt been delving into the game as he did before, and now has that I will do later mentality and it's getting a little repetitive. 

“no explanation” I explained why I tr’d you in my read ??? are you the one ignoring my posts? (I know you didn’t lol, just a joke). I’ve been reading every post when I do remember about this, so I have been reading your posts, what makes you say that I’ve been ignoring your posts?

Halsey N. wrote: Also that is blatantly incorrect. I was not the first to bring up the circle strategy. You already mentioned that, but I wasnt close at all. Whatever, that might have been a mistake. However, I hate that you tr me just out of nowhere at all. I mean, it's basically a sum up and one of those readlist I penalized you for earlier. Also your posts basically being generalizations one after another which I have discussed. If you have been paying attention to the game, you can easily noticed Carolines srs. trs. by using context close or by them outright stating what they thought about a player. I mean, at first your posts were restated information, they tried to steer away from confrontation (check my Isos in day 1 to see that), then there's the Anima thing which a bunch of people already went through.

You got worse however. The player that was the scummiest at that point of time (Shepherd) is the one you actually try to go against in bringing up evidence. The RVS vote thing I liked, but then you go for the inactivity policy lynch and those two being really different and that being your end sentence to Shepherd makes it seem like you are reaching. Also the fact that you didnt mention Kimmy whatsoever and instead went for Clara which was scummy at that point compared to Kimmy who was controversial is what I really hated. 

Also your read on Clara + Shepherd shows you are indeed reaching. I mean, the fact that you have been here since day 1, I'd think you'd have something more formed from your own thought but they are just summaries. Not only that but the fact that you try to jump on Clara for once single sentence is just (well, I can't actually describe it.. thats how bad that is...) Also the fact is the following:

[underline]Jeremiah: If she starts to shift to me, a Clara + Shepherd could become more viable.[/underline]


is just way more scummier than what Clara said. Basically Omgus. 

That's mainly what pushed me to lynch you. As everybody can infer, I have way more reasons for why you are scummy (Anima post, Emmy Confrontation post, etc.) but this is what pushed me to lynch you.

However I loathe Clara also and that sentence is a small part for why I loathe Clara (filler, fos, etc.). I'll get to that later.

1. I thought you said that you already wrote that idea up, but other people already said it or whatever you said.
2. I didn’t TR you out of no where, I just knew you were town from the time I started making my reads / actually making a post. The previous read list was my partner’s. #HydraProblems.
3. I was doing my reads in order of the “Alive” spoiler PL, so I hadn’t really had an opinion of Kimmy at that point. Clara has just had poor logic so far, but I wanted to see their response and what’d they’d do.
4. What does “reaching” mean?
5. It’s not actually scumreading based on 1 sentence (e.g. her having poor logic/weak reasoning for reads, forced posts, etc), as I had other reasons too. I think you’re just ignoring the parts of my post that was actually part of it, for an easy push. Also, what the fuck does loather mean?

Alright, so… regarding the Dr. Proctor kill, I also do believe one of the “oh mighty great town leaders” have to be scum. One or more. Emmy has been acting weirdly this game, Halsey is my LockTown read while I don’t think Caroline is a town leader. If I had to lynch one of them right now, I’d probably pressure Caroline to make a RL, or lynch Emmy.

So I'd like to put my lynch here; Lynch Kimmy.. My partner and I are both positive this is one of the scum due to him lying low the whole game and sheeping the lynch majority of players want lynched with weak reasoning. He also lynched us when my partner called him out on this. He only posts if he is addressed, like via a question or a lynch (e.g. Cherry's reaction lynch).

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I have to go now, rip.
Respond to any of my points if you wish, ask me any questions / point out any flaws, I will work on responding to them during Night (presuming I don't get lynched) and post them when it's day.

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Cherry P. wrote:

Jeremiah W. wrote:
Cherry P. as Scum - They're Beginning of D1 was quite weird. They started RVSing/FoSing cause of pre-game stuff, but pre-game is pre-game, it's mostly shitpost and messing around, not sure what there is scummy about it.  

if you're gonna bring up something, at least refute the arguments i've made / explanations i've had against the point? If you don't want to do that, at minimum explain why you haven't done that.

Jeremiah W. wrote:
They seem really stressed while making some of their posts, like the lynch on Halsey (D1) saying they hope they don't have to explain it, saying that reading is hard for her, sorta implying they might not read the thread.

i hoped i didn't have to explain it because i thought it was blatantly obvious, not because i was stressed
i said reading is hard because i'm lazy (i still am). you're competing with halsey's reach there when you say it implies that I don't read the thread...

I actually meant it could mean you don't read the thread, sorry about the weird wording.

Jeremiah W. wrote:If you strip down their posts, taking out the info that is useless to us and has already been mentioned, then their posts are quite small, actually.

i don't really feel like seeing whether this is true or not, but since multiple people have said this do try and provide an actual example

Jeremiah W. wrote:I don't like how they only explained their lynch D1, only if they were asked + he doesn't convey her ideas very well, usually really confusing for me.

the former i explained why i did that, the latter is not a reason you should be scumreading someone. I had trouble reading halsey's points but I never let that impact my read on him.

Jeremiah W. wrote:Let's move onto D2, her activity dropped like, so hard. She says she'll do stuff "later", and that "later" is usually really later. She mostly just responds to things, and I don't see any signs of scumhunting. She responds to things about her, but doesn't really discuss general things.

it dropped by the end of day 1, actually. i'd say around the start of labor day, because that's when I actually started having things to do.

and how does that made it better?

Jeremiah W. wrote:
She clarifys if asked. Otherwise, she won't.  

tf does this mean? why would i ever need to clarify something unless i'm asked to? I have no idea that something needs to be made more clear unless people tell me that they don't understand.

It means you wouldn't elaborate much normally, and you only would if you were asked to.

Jeremiah W. wrote:She also usually asks questions back, in a response, but not starting the question, if you know what I mean.

continuing a current discussion topic? I don't really see what's wrong with that unless you're saying that's ALL I do, which is blatantly false.
WRT restating information, that's often just due to me seeing something I want to talk about, but due to me not being able to post constantly, someone else has already noticed it / talked about something similar (but not necessarily the same thing). I always ask people who say they don't know what to post to talk about anything, even if its already been said, because their viewpoints can bring up information that wasn't already said. I also follow my own advice (or at least, I try to).

Jeremiah W. wrote:
Overall, she isn't contributing much, responds about things only about her and she has bad activity / often says she'll do stuff "later".

Overall, your argument sucks, you need to actually include evidence, and you should feel bad.

i'm kinda unsure why jeremiah is so obssessed with making bad arguments targeted at me, but this one is a lot worse than the last one

"obsessed" since when was I "obsessed" with making "bad arguments" targeted at you? How about you also list examples, hmm?
Alright, so this defence was pretty good, placed a pressure vote to make her post something. My memory served
me incorrectly about 7th point she quoted. Unlynch Cherry, Lynch Shepherd., this is my other scumread, reasons are in my quarter read list.

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Kimmy S. wrote:Jeremiah you were scumreading Halsey most of Day 1, no? Actually, you didn't even be clear in your reads, then scumread me when I started forcing people into a "yes/no" position. Feels scum to me.

Re: Which Kimmy is Which, so how did you distinguish between Kimmys to get the "SR one, TR other"? And assuming you meant you SRed some posts and TRed others, can you be more specific in which posts you disliked?

I think Emmy is Town here, that gamesolving doesn't come from scum imo. They're elaborating sufficiently and they're very clear on their reads.

Cherry's posts look a lot like Emmy's at first glance, but it's just really mostly filler if you strip down the post. They aren't really explaining stuff as it is more quoting stuff and "I feel X from Y". Also I don't think Cherry was even on at EoD1 so can you continue with what you felt about Halsey and why you decided what he said was sufficient? Even if you TR him now, we outsiders would like to hear why you felt it was correct to drop the case.

Shepherd's hot avi distracted me for a while >.> but their posts are pretty much just scum tbh. The other players have pretty much milked the case dry so I'll leave it be right now until something pings me hard.

Still feel Jeremiah > Shepherd, Jeremiah feels like a lost case at this point while Shepherd is redeemable (maybe)

It was my partner who SR'd Halsey most of D1, not me. I agree with the point, partially is why they're one of my top scumreads (along with Shepherd).

Kimmy S. wrote:re: Fruit the night before MyLo we fruit?

I still think that Going into LYLO is better than MYLO, since better chances, but then again, if we do lynch correctly in MYLO, we're not straight away into LYLO again. (which we would be if, we went into LYLO) What's everyone's thoughts on this?

Emmy A. wrote:

Jeremiah W. wrote:Well, I sorta forgot about this and when I did remember, I haven’t had time and I DEEPLY apologise about me only making 2-5 posts relevant to the game, the activity will only be uphill from now, I promise. I’m also sorry that when I do post, it’s not of high quality, I’ve just been losing interest, in general.
Where is my partner at? Welp, I guess he’s leaving me in the dark with all his scummy posts…
Time for MY reads and thoughts on the game so far. Might seperate them into different posts, so it ain’t a big wall post that’d be hard to read.  Staying up all night to finish this in time. P-edit: I can’t work on this anymore, I’m way too tired.. I hopefully will be done before DL
Took me way too long than it should’ve, because I don’t know how to ISO, so it’s really hard. I will bold my questions, so it’s easier to refer to/read and/or the more important parts

So, reads. (in order of PL from “Alive” hider)
I’d first like to say, Emmy you asked me for my reads, but not me, so whatever. Still hope this is of use though.

Clara H as Leaning Scum - Clara’s Beginning of Day 1 was what you would expect it to be, RVS vote/comments, etc. Nothing special about that. I feel that they don’t actually want to post (same for me right now), that isn’t actively checking/reading the thread and their posts seem really forced. She only made 2 posts, and then claimed it was the end of RVS but I think that end of RVS naturally comes and doesn’t need to be announced. Some of her reads were somewhat supported by weak reasoning, but it was Day 1, so I don’t expect much from that, but she asks questions to people to gain reads + now her reads D2 are better, more supported and are overall good. Their most recent post is quite weirdly placed, since they never said what “strong reasons” there are for lynching me, and then contradicts herself by saying “haven’t looked into him as much as I should have”, but she already said there were also strong reasons to lynch me? So, what are these “strong reasons?” If she starts to shift to me, a Clara + Shepherd could become more viable. She comes off as a mediator to me, occasionally asking questions, usually states the obvious/something already stated before, which scum usually do to seem like they’re actually doing something.

Halsey N. as LockTown - If I remember correctly, he started strong by being the first person to bring up the fruit circle strategy (or sometime near the same time when Emmy did it). Constantly giving reads, scumhunting, asking questions, analysing things really well, constantly progressing town in the right direction, prodding people to speak and responding/analysing posts really quickly. Overall, definitely my biggest tr right now, doing a lot. Keep it up, kid.

Shepherd D. as Scum - Their D1 was really weird if you ask me. They unlynched their RVS vote in 20 minutes, where Doc Proc didn’t post anything, besides his RVS vote. What stood out about his RVS vote that made you UL your RVS vote? Then they didn’t say anything else. Let’s move onto Day 2. They said that they received fruit, but not sure if that helped. If you actually read the plan/thread, you would know it would help. Since, you said that you discussed sending fruit to X, but it didn’t work, not sure why, since someone else stated, they didn’t actually bolded it, but it still worked, so I still think they might’ve been discussing to kill or to fruit. They’ve tried shifting attention to other players such as Infernando and Dok Prok. He said he would “look at Kimmy later.” It’s been 12 hours. Where you at? To conclude, he’s really scummy due to him shifting attention a lot, not actually doing much, not fruiting due to prodding partner, being contradictory and not actually reading the thread. Also, I think the paragraph he said “Doesn’t seem like a paragraph is going to save me now” seemed very forced to make that post and it’s not of very good quality, so it supports the point of it being forced/pressured.

Caroline M. - Such a Dazzling Pair of Heads! One of them is dazzling! ..and the other, not really. You can easily tell she reads the thread, if not, reads it again and again. Analyses quite well, responds/asks questions a lot and responds quite quickly. It seems that this Caroline is carrying the other one. She often, over-analyses things, such as the bolded question mark, and she hasn’t given a readlist yet. She does respond/ask questions a lot, but I don’t see signs of scumhunting. Caroline, could you make a Readlist? I am absolutely dazzled by this player! Dazzling dazzlement, that has truly dazzled me, dazzled! Dazzled! Okay, I’ll stop. Neutral, might changed after RL has been posted.

Will continue, later when I wake up.

Comments/responses that are relevant to right now (probably have more, too tired to remember);

1. So people have been saying that we should keep the fruits ‘till MYLO or whatever. Is most past games, as I’ve read, AJ doesn’t allow NL. So, if it’s MYLO, and we lynch someone, what’s the point of the fruits? Scum can just kill and end the game? Plus, if they decided not to kill, LYLO would be a better situation then MYLO. Pre-mylo use is fine, if we want it to be MYLO, but personally, I prefer LYLO since better odds and more intense/easier to play. I feel that turning this into Semi-Nightless, is the best play right now, since it would mean, we would have more days to get more solid reads.
2. A flaw in our plan about circlefruiting, is that Mafia could just kill a random person if it’s pre-mylo, and one of them claim they haven’t received a fruit, and 2 people to lynch. They could easily create a “randomised” list with a scummy person before them and push them.

So you scumread Shepherd (as Scum) and Clara as (slight scumread), and you think they are a possible scumteam. Have you looked at their recent posts though? It doesn't seem like any of their posts are forced, and the points they continue to bring up on Shepherd definitely make sense IMO. I would disagree with this read, would like some more elaboration on why you slightly scumread them.

I'd agree Hasley is town, though I wish they didn't just go AFK after their 100th post But yeah, I got really nothing more to say (I already explained why I think Hasley is town).

I'll agree with the read on Shepherd, and especially the contradictory part. Nothing more to be said either.

Seems like you townread Caroline for how she analyzes the game well (agreed), but then you mock her and have a final verdict of neutral, possibly due to the fact you think that her over use of "dazzling" makes her scum? It's NAI imo, and not sure why people make such a big fuss about it. Also "Neutral, might changed after RL has been posted." What do you mean by after the RL is posted?

Decent reads, though I'd like some elaboration from Clara read. Also want their thought on Cherry asap, as they are lynching them.

Re: Caroline, I think she's over-analysing a lot of things, mostly scum would do that for Town Cred imo, but other things she is doing is really good, which balances it out to Neutral imo. when I use "RL" I mean readlist.  

Elaboration on Clara read: Not sure which part you want elaboration on, but I think I know. So, I feel that most of her D1 and beginning of D2 posts seem very forced and that the post on me are very forced, since if she was scum with Shepherd, she would want to shift plur to me, since I am the counterwagon, which is why I said if she decides to switch, then that scumteam will become more viable.

Cherry P. as Scum - They're Beginning of D1 was quite weird. They started RVSing/FoSing cause of pre-game stuff, but pre-game is pre-game, it's mostly shitpost and messing around, not sure what there is scummy about it. They seem really stressed while making some of their posts, like the lynch on Halsey (D1) saying they hope they don't have to explain it, saying that reading is hard for her, sorta implying they might not read the thread. If you strip down their posts, taking out the info that is useless to us and has already been mentioned, then their posts are quite small, actually. I don't like how they only explained their lynch D1, only if they were asked + he doesn't convey her ideas very well, usually really confusing for me. Let's move onto D2, her activity dropped like, so hard. She says she'll do stuff "later", and that "later" is usually really later. She mostly just responds to things, and I don't see any signs of scumhunting. She responds to things about her, but doesn't really discuss general things. She clarifys if asked. Otherwise, she won't. She also usually asks questions back, in a response, but not starting the question, if you know what I mean. Overall, she isn't contributing much, responds about things only about her and she has bad activity / often says she'll do stuff "later".

Clara H. wrote:

Jeremiah W. wrote:Well, I sorta forgot about this and when I did remember, I haven’t had time and I DEEPLY apologise about me only making 2-5 posts relevant to the game, the activity will only be uphill from now, I promise. I’m also sorry that when I do post, it’s not of high quality, I’ve just been losing interest, in general.
Where is my partner at? Welp, I guess he’s leaving me in the dark with all his scummy posts…
Time for MY reads and thoughts on the game so far. Might seperate them into different posts, so it ain’t a big wall post that’d be hard to read.  Staying up all night to finish this in time. P-edit: I can’t work on this anymore, I’m way too tired.. I hopefully will be done before DL
Took me way too long than it should’ve, because I don’t know how to ISO, so it’s really hard. I will bold my questions, so it’s easier to refer to/read and/or the more important parts

So, reads. (in order of PL from “Alive” hider)
I’d first like to say, Emmy you asked me for my reads, but not me, so whatever. Still hope this is of use though.

Clara H as Leaning Scum - Clara’s Beginning of Day 1 was what you would expect it to be, RVS vote/comments, etc. Nothing special about that. I feel that they don’t actually want to post (same for me right now), that isn’t actively checking/reading the thread and their posts seem really forced. She only made 2 posts, and then claimed it was the end of RVS but I think that end of RVS naturally comes and doesn’t need to be announced. Some of her reads were somewhat supported by weak reasoning, but it was Day 1, so I don’t expect much from that, but she asks questions to people to gain reads + now her reads D2 are better, more supported and are overall good. Their most recent post is quite weirdly placed, since they never said what “strong reasons” there are for lynching me, and then contradicts herself by saying “haven’t looked into him as much as I should have”, but she already said there were also strong reasons to lynch me? So, what are these “strong reasons?” If she starts to shift to me, a Clara + Shepherd could become more viable. She comes off as a mediator to me, occasionally asking questions, usually states the obvious/something already stated before, which scum usually do to seem like they’re actually doing something.

Halsey N. as LockTown - If I remember correctly, he started strong by being the first person to bring up the fruit circle strategy (or sometime near the same time when Emmy did it). Constantly giving reads, scumhunting, asking questions, analysing things really well, constantly progressing town in the right direction, prodding people to speak and responding/analysing posts really quickly. Overall, definitely my biggest tr right now, doing a lot. Keep it up, kid.

Shepherd D. as Scum - Their D1 was really weird if you ask me. They unlynched their RVS vote in 20 minutes, where Doc Proc didn’t post anything, besides his RVS vote. What stood out about his RVS vote that made you UL your RVS vote? Then they didn’t say anything else. Let’s move onto Day 2. They said that they received fruit, but not sure if that helped. If you actually read the plan/thread, you would know it would help. Since, you said that you discussed sending fruit to X, but it didn’t work, not sure why, since someone else stated, they didn’t actually bolded it, but it still worked, so I still think they might’ve been discussing to kill or to fruit. They’ve tried shifting attention to other players such as Infernando and Dok Prok. He said he would “look at Kimmy later.” It’s been 12 hours. Where you at? To conclude, he’s really scummy due to him shifting attention a lot, not actually doing much, not fruiting due to prodding partner, being contradictory and not actually reading the thread. Also, I think the paragraph he said “Doesn’t seem like a paragraph is going to save me now” seemed very forced to make that post and it’s not of very good quality, so it supports the point of it being forced/pressured.

Caroline M. - Such a Dazzling Pair of Heads! One of them is dazzling! ..and the other, not really. You can easily tell she reads the thread, if not, reads it again and again. Analyses quite well, responds/asks questions a lot and responds quite quickly. It seems that this Caroline is carrying the other one. She often, over-analyses things, such as the bolded question mark, and she hasn’t given a readlist yet. She does respond/ask questions a lot, but I don’t see signs of scumhunting. Caroline, could you make a Readlist? I am absolutely dazzled by this player! Dazzling dazzlement, that has truly dazzled me, dazzled! Dazzled! Okay, I’ll stop. Neutral, might changed after RL has been posted.

Will continue, later when I wake up.

Comments/responses that are relevant to right now (probably have more, too tired to remember);

1. So people have been saying that we should keep the fruits ‘till MYLO or whatever. Is most past games, as I’ve read, AJ doesn’t allow NL. So, if it’s MYLO, and we lynch someone, what’s the point of the fruits? Scum can just kill and end the game? Plus, if they decided not to kill, LYLO would be a better situation then MYLO. Pre-mylo use is fine, if we want it to be MYLO, but personally, I prefer LYLO since better odds and more intense/easier to play. I feel that turning this into Semi-Nightless, is the best play right now, since it would mean, we would have more days to get more solid reads.
2. A flaw in our plan about circlefruiting, is that Mafia could just kill a random person if it’s pre-mylo, and one of them claim they haven’t received a fruit, and 2 people to lynch. They could easily create a “randomised” list with a scummy person before them and push them.

My main problem with this whole post is it isnt coming across as actively looking for scum

Clara- So you are saying I've got good reads today but you sr me becuase I said there were strong reasons to lynch you? seems like a pretty strange omgus to me.
Its a long paragraph but its really not much when you sit down and read it. As for the strong reasons thing, I've not looked into you much, but from what I've read people are lynching you and have good reason to do it

Hasley- This has an example of not really looking for scum. You state that he was one of the first to come up with the fruit strategy, yet he posted it hours after Emmy, Anima, and Cherry did. Why do you care so little about finding scum that you cant be bothered going and checking that?

OK I guess your read on shepherd is agreeable I dont see a problem

Caroline- Im confused here. You do nothing but compliment her and then follow up with neutral read, because she hasnt made a readslist? o. k.

Readslist is posting what you've scumhunted so far about everyone, I don't get what you mean by "I'm not actively looking for scum", could you elaborate?
Caroline - I just don't see much scumhunting in her posts, it's mostly just analysing, which doesn't mean she's scumhunting, which is why I asked of a readlist from her.

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Lynch Cherry., gonna leave my vote here as Pressure, to be explained in next post. (from me anyways, hopefully my partner posts.)

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Well, I sorta forgot about this and when I did remember, I haven’t had time and I DEEPLY apologise about me only making 2-5 posts relevant to the game, the activity will only be uphill from now, I promise. I’m also sorry that when I do post, it’s not of high quality, I’ve just been losing interest, in general.
Where is my partner at? Welp, I guess he’s leaving me in the dark with all his scummy posts…
Time for MY reads and thoughts on the game so far. Might seperate them into different posts, so it ain’t a big wall post that’d be hard to read.  Staying up all night to finish this in time. P-edit: I can’t work on this anymore, I’m way too tired.. I hopefully will be done before DL
Took me way too long than it should’ve, because I don’t know how to ISO, so it’s really hard. I will bold my questions, so it’s easier to refer to/read and/or the more important parts

So, reads. (in order of PL from “Alive” hider)
I’d first like to say, Emmy you asked me for my reads, but not me, so whatever. Still hope this is of use though.

Clara H as Leaning Scum - Clara’s Beginning of Day 1 was what you would expect it to be, RVS vote/comments, etc. Nothing special about that. I feel that they don’t actually want to post (same for me right now), that isn’t actively checking/reading the thread and their posts seem really forced. She only made 2 posts, and then claimed it was the end of RVS but I think that end of RVS naturally comes and doesn’t need to be announced. Some of her reads were somewhat supported by weak reasoning, but it was Day 1, so I don’t expect much from that, but she asks questions to people to gain reads + now her reads D2 are better, more supported and are overall good. Their most recent post is quite weirdly placed, since they never said what “strong reasons” there are for lynching me, and then contradicts herself by saying “haven’t looked into him as much as I should have”, but she already said there were also strong reasons to lynch me? So, what are these “strong reasons?” If she starts to shift to me, a Clara + Shepherd could become more viable. She comes off as a mediator to me, occasionally asking questions, usually states the obvious/something already stated before, which scum usually do to seem like they’re actually doing something.

Halsey N. as LockTown - If I remember correctly, he started strong by being the first person to bring up the fruit circle strategy (or sometime near the same time when Emmy did it). Constantly giving reads, scumhunting, asking questions, analysing things really well, constantly progressing town in the right direction, prodding people to speak and responding/analysing posts really quickly. Overall, definitely my biggest tr right now, doing a lot. Keep it up, kid.

Shepherd D. as Scum - Their D1 was really weird if you ask me. They unlynched their RVS vote in 20 minutes, where Doc Proc didn’t post anything, besides his RVS vote. What stood out about his RVS vote that made you UL your RVS vote? Then they didn’t say anything else. Let’s move onto Day 2. They said that they received fruit, but not sure if that helped. If you actually read the plan/thread, you would know it would help. Since, you said that you discussed sending fruit to X, but it didn’t work, not sure why, since someone else stated, they didn’t actually bolded it, but it still worked, so I still think they might’ve been discussing to kill or to fruit. They’ve tried shifting attention to other players such as Infernando and Dok Prok. He said he would “look at Kimmy later.” It’s been 12 hours. Where you at? To conclude, he’s really scummy due to him shifting attention a lot, not actually doing much, not fruiting due to prodding partner, being contradictory and not actually reading the thread. Also, I think the paragraph he said “Doesn’t seem like a paragraph is going to save me now” seemed very forced to make that post and it’s not of very good quality, so it supports the point of it being forced/pressured.

Caroline M. - Such a Dazzling Pair of Heads! One of them is dazzling! ..and the other, not really. You can easily tell she reads the thread, if not, reads it again and again. Analyses quite well, responds/asks questions a lot and responds quite quickly. It seems that this Caroline is carrying the other one. She often, over-analyses things, such as the bolded question mark, and she hasn’t given a readlist yet. She does respond/ask questions a lot, but I don’t see signs of scumhunting. Caroline, could you make a Readlist? I am absolutely dazzled by this player! Dazzling dazzlement, that has truly dazzled me, dazzled! Dazzled! Okay, I’ll stop. Neutral, might changed after RL has been posted.

Will continue, later when I wake up.

Comments/responses that are relevant to right now (probably have more, too tired to remember);

1. So people have been saying that we should keep the fruits ‘till MYLO or whatever. Is most past games, as I’ve read, AJ doesn’t allow NL. So, if it’s MYLO, and we lynch someone, what’s the point of the fruits? Scum can just kill and end the game? Plus, if they decided not to kill, LYLO would be a better situation then MYLO. Pre-mylo use is fine, if we want it to be MYLO, but personally, I prefer LYLO since better odds and more intense/easier to play. I feel that turning this into Semi-Nightless, is the best play right now, since it would mean, we would have more days to get more solid reads.
2. A flaw in our plan about circlefruiting, is that Mafia could just kill a random person if it’s pre-mylo, and one of them claim they haven’t received a fruit, and 2 people to lynch. They could easily create a “randomised” list with a scummy person before them and push them.

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Jeremiah W. wrote:After finishing those posts I just checked my quicktopic.

I Did Not receive fruit last night.

Yes, we DID NOT receive fruit..

Cherry P. wrote:is getting fruit even relevant when there are no deaths?
smdh at infernando idling
I did get fruit last night, though

Yes, it is quite relevant imo, to see who follows the plan or if some people were to busy deciding whether to kill or to fruit *glares at Shepard*

Infernando G. wrote:

Cherry P. wrote:is getting fruit even relevant when there are no deaths?
smdh at infernando idling
I did get fruit last night, though

wait no I didn't idle. You said player list and Kimmy was below me on the player list

Wow. We've said that it was the PL under the "Alive" spoiler before. Have you not bothered the read the thread/post?
Since Infernando also fruited Kimmy, Kimmy did you receive two fruit?, because we also fruited Kimmy (followed the plan)

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After finishing those posts I just checked my quicktopic.

I Did Not receive fruit last night.

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Emmy A. wrote:-You have a scumlean on Dr. Proctor due to his lack of content, but Infernando having next to no content is apparently offset by the fact that the members of his hydra can't agree on something and Shepherd also having no content makes him completely null. I don't see how these differences cause a difference in how you read them.

I've tended to lump those three (and Anima yesterday) in my head as almost one and the same due to their inactivity, at least at the time when I made my readlist which was before Infernando and Proctor started to pick up their activity. The lack of activity made it hard to get solid reads on any of them, so I ranked them among themselves based on personal feel.

Dr. Proctor had promised at post, and at the time that post was 2 hours late. Since I was expecting activity from him, it struck me as more scummy that he hadn't posted yet. Infernando and Shepherd hadn't posted much, if at all during the day or two before my readlist was posted. Since I had no idea whether they were planning to post or get subbed out (Infernando was the former, Shepherd the latter), I had no basis on which to make an actual read for them, so I labeled them neutral.

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Ok, so before deadline hit Emmy went off on my last posts and apparently considered trying to shift the lynch to me. She discussed how the way I’m expressing my scumreads gives me a lot of leeway to shift my opinions later on when it “benefits me to scumread someone else”. The issue I have with this is that she reads me entirely under the assumption that I am scum, without any evidence. If I am town, my scumreading is ideally to the benefit of the town by finding mafia. It’s easy to make a post look bad when you look at it under the assumption that the poster is mafia. Emmy’s post in that context looks like she’s setting up her lynch target for day 2. After lynching an inactive townie day 1, she sees me as someone who has been generally considered scummy by most of the game and that it would probably be fairly easy to get me voted out. However, I have very little evidence to back that up, and she could just as likely be a concerned townie that tends to look at people under the assumption that they are mafia, which it seems like she tends to do a lot.

She also called me out for being sort of back and forth on Anima. I’ll go through the thought process I went through on her because it is admittedly hard to follow. When she was simply inactive I just lumped her in with the other 3 that hadn’t posted much up to that point (Infernando, Proctor, Shepherd). After she made the poor decisions of asking for scumreads and then posting the bolded question mark, I had a feeling she was going to get lynched. I knew that the posts she made combined with her inactivity was scummier than what anyone else had done up to that point, and I read it as such. However, it didn’t strike me as posts that would be coming from someone who really knew what they were doing. I wouldn’t expect anyone who has played this game more than once or twice to respond that way to pressure, or to simply make no attempt to defend themself. When I see someone in those games acting like that, it is generally a townie that just didn’t really get how forum mafia works, and they usually get lynched in the first 2 days. When I said that she is statistically likely to be town, I was referring to the fact that most people who respond like that to pressure and then stop posting are new players that don’t get how to play forum mafia. With that in mind, I understood that other than Anima potentially being a number for town, she really wasn’t ever going to provide much in terms of activity or scumhunting for town, and for that reason I was ok with her getting lynched.

In games like this, there is a good chance that most accounts have at least one player that knows what they’re doing in these anon games. When that is the case, simply sitting around and waiting for someone to make a post that outs them as scum is pointless because the mafia likely knows how to seem clean. Finding scum is harder when it’s like this, but obviously not impossible. You have to look for the people that seem to be looking to help town, but really aren’t doing much at all to actually help them win. I usually look for people who are scumreading based on something that isn’t logical, like a pre-game post. The way Kimmy made his reads day 1 seemed to match this quite a bit to me. He gave too much weight to certain things (yelled scum at Anima after her post asking for scumreads, lynched Halsey after accusing him of contributing nothing) instead of simply pointing them out and asking for explanations. The only difference between his scumreads on Halsey and Anima was that Halsey responded and called him out on his reads. If Anima had responded in the same way that Halsey did and properly defended herself, she very well could have survived day 1. Although the sample size in this game is way to small to make conclusions, historically in these games calling out the first scummy thing people do and lynching them for it hasn’t worked out so well. Scum factions have won exactly two thirds of these anon games, lots of times without losing a single member. Expecting mafia to be dumb enough to make actions that would out themselves as scum early on is foolish behavior, and lynching the low hanging fruit every day is just going to result in town death after town death. Going after people who act like they're looking for scum without ever making a logical read is the way to find the mafia, and so far the person that fits that profile to me is Kimmy.

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I'd like to clarify a bit on Anima though. Although I think she might really be town, it doesn't make much sense to keep someone who has provided nothing but confusion for the entire game (We have paragraphs of discussion about a bolded question mark) alive. Since she hasn't added any meaningful content to any of this games discussions besides the fruit passing at the beginning, I am not opposed to an Anima lynch.

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Based on the context of the situation (3 lynches on her after she suggested everyone post their scumreads, preceded by a spell of inactivity), I don't think Anima is this scum mastermind who is attempting to change the course of the lynch with a single punctuation.  I feel like she just feels overwhelmed by all the pressure she's receiving, and it might be discouraging her from wanting to get fully back into the game considering that her situation is so bleak.  She very well could be scum, but I hope for scum's sake that they're a bit harder to detect than that in a game like this.

If I were to lynch someone right now, I would lynch Kimmy.  His manner of scumhunting is simply way too black and white, which I don't view as logicial.  I don't feel like a manner of scumhunting like Kimmy's can consistently lead to finding scum. Obviously, this doesn't mean that he has to be scum himself, but I don't have any strong scumreads at the moment, as most of the super active players in this game have overwhelmingly demonstrated town qualities.

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Emmy,
When I glanced at the rolelist originally before the game started, I didn't really understand what the fruit were for, so I asked the rest of the game about them when it started. I admit that the idea for a fruit passing circle didn't cross my mind, and then discussion continues. Later on in the day, Halsey comes bursting in with this idea of a fruit passing circle and suggests it to the other players in the game. I, one of the other players in the game, inform him that discussion bringing up this point had already occurred, and the upsides as well as the downsides had been determined. You take the "we" as if I'm saying that I was responsible for all the fruit discussion, when all I meant to say was that the discussion already happened.

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Caroline M. wrote:Interesting thing the proc doc dazzlingly brought up that I didnt actually notice before is when jeremiah said "anima reacting to pressure poorly". Now unless I am mistaken, there wasnt really much pressure (if any at all) on anima before she posted the "pls post 3 scumreads k thx bye". So its not that she reacted poorly to pressure, she simply just made a scummy play. I feel like this is dazzlingly big point against Anima but does this say anything about Jeremiah? It could just be a misrecollection of memory but it seems as if Jeremiah wants to back up the fact that his decision in holding back and not doing much day 1 is the right decision, which I believe is dazzlingly outrageous.

Anima's poor response to pressure wasn't the top 3 scumread post.  When she comes back to a game where she had 3 votes against her with people asking her to defend herself and she responded with "?", that's when I felt she responded poorly to pressure. (Pre Edit: Emmy just pointed this out as well, I'll respond to her in a sec)

I don't remember ever saying that sitting back and doing nothing day 1 was a good strategy.  All I said was that in my experience, one day of content usually isn't enough to create solid reads on the entire game from.  Now, in most cases games don't have 14 pages of posts by the end of day 1, but they do usually have 2 or more inactive players/lurkers that tend to get lynched early on- this game arguably has 4 of them (although Infernado and Dr. P are starting to get caught up).  I'd gotten used to the anon games where 18 pages of posts are made throughout the entire game, and in those situations it gets really tough to make solid reads when most people have the same amount of posts in the whole game as Infernando has now.  I will concede now that scumhunting day 1 could work out very well considering the amount of content we already have in this game, but I still contend that a player like Anima could very likely just be a townie that got screwed by missing out on 10 pages of posts and then made a poor choice in asking for scumreads from everyone that resulted in her being lynched.

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My randomized list:
Clara H.
Dr. Proctor
Halsey N.
Caroline M.
Infernando G.
Anima V.
Emmy A.
Cherry P.
Kimmy S.
Shepherd D.
Jeremiah W.

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@Infernando Just provide a list of the 11 players in the game with a randomized order to use for the second round of fruit passing. This way we can use a dead townie's randomized list for the second go around to ensure against mafia tampering.

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Putting my reads out now since I haven't openly discussed my feelings on many of the people in this game thus far.

Clara: Slight activity drop early, but that was mostly due to there being 10 pages of posts by the 30th hour of day 1. She had fairly logical analysis in her first set of reads, but her scumread on Halsey felt sort of forced, like she was picking on anything that would make him seem scummy. Emmy brought up her multiple interpretations of how much of the game she thought Halsey read, when I feel like the point that was being brought up in the post she referenced was that the sheer volume of Emmy's posts overshadowed Cherry's in their discussion, which left Halsey with a scum lean on Cherry after reading through. I don't see the argument that he hadn't read through the entire game as accurate, and although it would make more sense I also don't think he simply read through only the first half either. She also left Kimmy and I as null reads at the same point, and later explained that "I dont have a clear read on whether they are town or scum". Looking back, it kind of feels like she picked one of us to scumread and landed on Halsey after seeing his "weird posts". Her more recent posts paint him in a better light, and it feels like she's stepping back from what was a fairly hard scumread. Neutral, leaning scum, she had a fair but bland analysis on Emmy and Cherry, and has ignored Kimmy and I as well as the other inactives to target Halsey, and then threw in Infernado as a lynch candidate after Halsey began to defend himself.

Halsey: Most of what he posted early day 1 has been thoroughly discussed, so I'm going to focus mostly on his recent posts. He likes to go into immense detail on everybody's posting styles and pressure/question people about how they are interacting with other players. His large posts have been a massive source of activity for this game, and he's doing a good job of holding people accountable for their reads/remarks about other players. His calling out of Cherry's lynch logic is valid, as I will discuss in her read, and as a whole his analysis of the game has been logical and fair, while also being extremely detailed. Leaning town, great reads/source of activity following a concerning entry into the game originally.

Shepherd: RVS lynch. RVS unlynch. Redundant fruit discussion. Inactivity. Null read, I can't get a read on someone who never posts, much less two people.

Anima: One of her main posts of interest were her suggestion of a chain of fruit passes, of which I think she was one of the first to mention, so that is a point in her favor. However, the other post was about 5 steps backwards, as she comes from a spell of inactivity to ask for an update on who everyone suspects without adding any input of her own, then disappears again, only to return to people lynching her and asking for an explanation for her lurking inactivity, to which she responds, "?". Her post content is severely lacking, as her only real contribution was to theme based strategy, and she has not done any scumhunting of her own while practically asking the rest of the game to do so for her. Leaning scum, not much post content to go off, but not responding well to pressure at all.

Jeremiah W. wrote:On day 1, I think people are still trying to get accustomed to the game and tend to say or do things that can be interpreted as a scumslip.  When people don't have much to go off of, they latch to these small bits of info and pressure them on it, and sometimes the player will respond poorly or simply go inactive and not respond at all, and then we have a dead townie day 1.  When I referred to the day 1 lynch as a roll of that dice, that's what I meant by it.

A player like Anima is what I was referring to here. As of now, it seems likely that she will be lynched today, and there's a good chance statistically that she's simply a townie who fell behind and made an attempt to get caught up on the game that was viewed as scummy, and responded to the pressure poorly. Obviously the chance exists that she is indeed a scum that just played a very poor day 1, but that usually isn't the case.

Caroline: Her recent discussion about Halsey's earlier posts have some good insights about how the hydra aspect of the game might impact how we view his sudden flip from scumread to townread. Before that, she was primarily discussing the logistics of fruit passing trains, and made certain points that I would almost expect scum not to mention in hopes that nobody else would bring up (wifom, I know). Her talks about how lists should be randomised and by whom all gave off serious town vibes. Her analysis of other players thus far has been, dare I say it, dazzling. Town, everything she does seems to be in an attempt to bring town closer to finding the scum.

Dr Proctor: Hasn't posted much yet, but he said that "in about 16 hours or so" he'll make a post about his thoughts. Im horrible at interpreting this forum's time system, but I think it has been about 18 hours since his post at the time I am typing this. Neutral, leaning scum, waiting on his thoughts to be posted, but a sheer lack of contribution so far.

Emmy: She has been actively involved in practically every discussion in this game, and like Caroline she seems committed to leading discussion towards town catching the scum. Her recent reads all have sound logic, and follow up nicely on her individual analysis of other players. She is one of the main reasons that this game is already pushing 12 pages of content on day 1, and much of it is meaningful discussion. Town, her commitment to analyzing this game is far greater than the average player (possibly supplemented by the hydra setup).

Infernando: Practically zero content, and yet this hydra still finds something to disagree with himself on. Practically no original contributions despite apparently viewing the forum everyday. Neutral, lack of content, lack of direction since the two heads can't seem to agree on one thing, despite only 6 posts during the game thus far. Pre edit: he seems to be reading through and responding now at the very least, which is a good sign.

Kimmy: His scumhunting seems to be strictly in a black and white sense, where everything is either scum or town. He just got offline as I am typing this, and is absolutely convinced that Anima is mafia. The problem with this game is that nothing can be black and white until AJ announces it as so. Until someone is revealed to be a certain role by a definite confirmation, there is still at least a minute chance that they are not that role. This thinking can be seen in his initial read that Halsey had contributed nothing and that he was extremely scummy, and now sees him as a misunderstood town. Neutral, leaning scum, his black and white view on everything just rubs me the wrong way.

Cherry: I've discussed most of her posts in detail already, but Halsey called her out on something recently that caught my attention. I had come to terms with her reasons for lynching Halsey and I, as the reasons that were being presented at the time made sense. Halsey's recent post regarding her lynches calls her out for a lack of consistency between the reasons for her lynch at the time of lynching versus her reasons at the time of unlynching. When she switched her lynch to Halsey from me, it was because she perceived him as the scummier player at the time. However, she didn't lynch Anima when she saw Anima's actions as scummy later on, and had dismissed her scumread on me entirely. From rereading her posts again, I get the feeling that one Cherry user was responsible for lynching me and then lynching Halsey, and the other Cherry user is responsible for the Halsey unlynch and Anima scumread. This is due to the playstyle of the Cherry who lynched the scummiest person at the time not lining up with the recent actions of the account in the game. This may account for the inconsistencies that Halsey pointed out, and explain why Cherry seems to be constantly defending her reads. Neutral, much of her game has been spent defending her early reads, and she has yet to really scumread much, at one point generalizing most of the game as "scumleans"

At this point in the game, my biggest townread is Caroline, and Anima's recent lurking and apparent refusal to defend herself has her as my biggest scumread.