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mfw aj messes up lynches and i get mad.

tfw i realise i was dead anyway :-[

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Annie F. wrote:at this point I'm fine with an icarus lynch, and if at the last moment mimi comes to save him, then we'll be fairly certain they're a scumteam. simple as that. I don't really think it would be charmaine right now but I guess my scumradar is a bit off...

I get that you're salty natasha, but with all the shit Towa has been pulling lately it kind of made sense. She started the lynch on brodie because he was only answering the parts he wanted to answer, but then she did just that. She said a bunch of things that just weren't true, she wasn't even close. It just seemed so scummy and I honestly don't know why she thought she could say things that happened days ago without even looking at what happened, which she obviously didn't or she wouldn't have said the opposite of what actually happened. It made sense at the time, now it obviously doesn't anymore.

Icarus, I looked at your post of before deadline and to me it just seems weird that you obviously seem to care about whether you die or not, seeing as you got so annoyed and called me an "utter dunce", whatever that might mean, and you also said some other things which showed how annoyed you were. Yet you didn't go on someone else, while you could have easily justified going for one of the other people with a lynch on them. You could have easily gone for Nanette or Charmaine and people would agree that it's not suspicious, but then... if you'd done that mimi couldn't have shifted hammer to Towa, who was a bigger threat. This to me seems like the only reason you wouldn't just lynch someone else to save yourself, as you obviously do care about your own life.

utter dunce was just due to the claim. Personally I didn't feel it was the best move for us at all, but I can't really stop anything with it now. Also, shouldn't we be claiming protects/actions right now since we did that for the bulk of the ones before from yesterday? if we did, must have missed them.

I more felt that lynching at that point in the game would make me far more likely to die today in a scenario where I plurshifted and went for it. Honestly, I feel I could be valuable, but I understand that I'm obviously making things less clear. It would be a wasted lynch as well from my point of view and everyone's. I would not have minded me being lynched if that somewhat helped us to be able to progress more, so I just didn't lynch. I did come on and consider it again, but really didn't have many good options from my point of view.


welcome Nanette the second btw. and yes im just ajs pawn in this and quite literally a front for him to get close to girls

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Mimi F. wrote:

Professor Icarus wrote:Also you said in your reads upon me: "Almost all of the alive people who haven't claimed doc/jk were on my Leaning-Town list, so I have to turn reads on someone.". Got to say, what does that exactly mean? To me it feels like you just saying that the read had to change, which isn't necessarily true.

I'm going to try to explain her thinking, she can correct me if I'm wrong. Obviously, everyone in the game isn't town. Reading everyone as town is utterly pointless. Since her scumreads either died or were cleared, she had to look more critically at her remaining town reads. My guess is that she thought you were the scummiest of her town reads and thusly switched her fos to you.

I did assume that, but honestly it's better to say that you have 1 concrete scummy read to me rather than say that this person is the scummiest of my current reads therefore one of my reads. Its a fine strategy, not saying she did something inherently wrong, I just didn't like the way she put it in her terms. Much better ways of phrasing it rather than that.

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Natasha your remarks based on my reads based on both alignments are quite stupid, I must say. I'd have to direct you to my last post where I did mention quite a few things that you must have ignored when reading the last post I made. Also you said in your reads upon me: "Almost all of the alive people who haven't claimed doc/jk were on my Leaning-Town list, so I have to turn reads on someone.". Got to say, what does that exactly mean? To me it feels like you just saying that the read had to change, which isn't necessarily true. You can still hold positive reads for much of the game, but I understand that I have played somewhat questionably during the game, not my best to be honest.

Also yeah I'd love a Nanette sub at the moment, really limiting my reads at moment not being able to do anything with her.

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I'm honestly not seeing the complaints about me being incredibly valid. You guys are literally lynching a town contributor, who most of you deem to be not necessarily the most townie, but still a slight lean, when there are much more viable lynches? I mean I'm not gonna flip the lynch cause I don't have any chance of living if I get a town or scum lynch to be honest, and people will immediately gang up on me for sure, but please understand why you're allowing this to happen. Doc since you've claimed like the utter dunce you are, please stay on Jailkeeper and just hope that you'll stay alive. Can't see you staying around d til tomorrow tbh and I don't see mafia not risking their kill on you myself.

Natasha your reasoning for your read on me is really incredulous. You basically said your read had to change on me cause the rest of them hadn't really? Fucks sake you really have some shitty ways of trying to hide that. and of course my reads would share reasons on why people may swing both. The reads you shared were both on my neutral reads list and why the fuck would I not share what I've noticed in their plays and attitudes and how that has effected and made me come to the conclusion that they are whatever alignment to me.

Also apologies about the lack of me over the weekend completely forgot this existed.


By the way, should be back before deadline. May consider a lynch if I find something that would be worthwhile to act upon, or if something happens between then. I just urge you all to consider why you're choosing to push this, cause it seems like you're all quite half heartedly going along with it. Can't wait to see your "newspaper" towa, should be intriguing.


ps. "i recommend the lynching of over half the players in the game" good one towa that one gave me a good chuckle

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what's the reasoning for that lynch Towa? I'm neither personally, just a vanilla.Can't see anything that would suggest your lynch right now so please elaborate. Unless it's pressure to get me to claim, in which case fair enough. Anyway here's reads I suppose.

Towa Q. - her recent reads are decent, I can agree with a lot of the points and has continued to make some quality posts. The small lack of posts for a bit on day2 was a bit disappointing but then again everyone lurked pretty much. Likewise Im also against the doc/JK claim that towa suggested though. Perhaps what Annie I think suggested with the Jailkeeper only claim would work out best for us. Definitely not both. I couldn't see the need for multiple clears or more likely 2 sets of counterclaims this second. Anyway, right now Towa is a town lean for me. Hasn't shifted much since last major list of opinions.

Nanette B. - Says hasn't been on due to circumstances coming up making it hard to make a proper presence atm. Bit of a shame, but the lack of content really isn't helping my view of you. I've probably got a slight scum lean at the moment upon you simply due to the heavy lurking at the moment. I didn't necessarily agree with a lot of the stuff as well as said before too. Nothing else I could really say about it though.

Charmaine U. - content got a lot better than the borderline trolly attitude. Could see Charmaine as a possible townie, but I've still got a more neutral stance towards him. Some of his stuff is quite questionable and a bit pointless ( "sounds fishy") but his reads were pretty alright. Neutral.

Mimi F. - posts are OK, but sometimes I really don't agree with what Mimi is saying. Right now I have a sort of gut feeling about Mimi and don't feel she is quite town, and a bit scummy in my eyes, but I honestly would take that with a grain of salt. Don't think that I can say much except that her activity whinging yesterday was pretty terrible and honestly wasn't the way to go about it if that was her goal to try and get activity. lil bit fillery with the repetitiveness of it all. Uncertain read at the moment.

Annie F. - probably my biggest current town lean. good posts since my last reads and nothing really that I could pick apart. Town lean, apologies for the lack of detail here, will probably at Annie a bit further.

Natasha L. - unsure about Natasha really. I feel she is possible scum like some of us were saying, but at the same time I can see some areas outright where they seem overall towny like in several posts. Right now neutral, but this will probably change over today I'm sure.

Ramona G. - although Ramona has been lacking, personally I could see her as a possible townie, but just one that isn't willing to put forth tons of information. It's possible to see it as scummy yes, but also could just quite easily be a player who isn't really divulging the great levels of detail a lot of us have been doing. See her as town anyway, but not heavily rn.


Currently would suggest a lynch on Nanette myself. She's probably my top scum read currently and probably the most viable lynch right now in my eyes. That could change of course, but we'll see as the game goes on.

I'd highly recommend the JK claim btw as previously said, just echoing that again. Scumteam stuff etc will probably come in a future post, I need some time to think over that personally.

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That didn't go as terribly as I thought to be honest. Kill wasnt anything hugely damning to town and I would have expected Haruno to be pressured today a bit and probably a lynch candidate as well, so I'm sure it's far more beneficial in terms of helping us to get a more concise lynch and a better outcome for today as a whole.

I'm gonna make that readslist as planned soon and properly look into our current players. Might also look at scumteam stuff for the remaining two and also any links to Fernando (can't imagine anything hugely important there but worth a look).

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I'm probably in agreement with the rest of you with the lynches. Based on the content I've read over, best bet for today in my eyes. I would draw up a reads list but to be frank, I don't have that much time and I feel the list would be better served for after the lynch when I know Gurkinn and can work things out a bit better. Mainly following the same line of thinking about the lurking and really just fillery style going on. I'm not seeing any other hugely viable lynches right now and considering its very close to deadline I don't think I would be able to change stuff to be honest.

Anyway:
lynch Gurkinn N.

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Annie F. wrote:Icarus: TODAY at 4:54 pm, which means he has seen all the posts above mine. Why didn't he say anything?

I was travelling home at the time and had crappy signal so couldn't really post, as well as the fact I had no internet on Sunday or Monday, apologies. Anyway, I'm a bit disappointed based on activity, fair enough that there are holidays etc but at least forewarn that you're gonna be away rather than lurk. Reminder that I was away and did mention that I would be away until today, just saying so people don't hound me down for complaining about this. Also another tip that instead of the whining we pressure the people who are unresponsive?

Towa, thanks for actually showing up and deciding to respond, but you didn't answer my question at the top of the page. How did the Brodie lynch change your opinion upon me, would be excellent to understand that right now and I wouldn't mind hearing more from you to be honest.

Im gonna read over stuff and make a quick response before lynching, but I'm here and actually willing to help unlike the fuck all town has been doing today. I'd recommend we all do that rather than having a heavy focus on lurking for no apparent reason.

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Good job JK/Doc on that nice action. I've gotta say that it's kind of pointless to be whining about activity now after its happened. Brodie was generally a decently scummy person to most people, and I don't think many regret that lynch a lot. He had good input, but it was his own fault he never actually bothered to put up a form of defence. Also if you want activity Mimi, stop going on about it and pressure someone already, no use contemplating the past when we still have great odds of winning this as town.

Also I may as well comment on the whole Towa Q read on me. Why did you say that you felt you could get a better read off me with the Brodie town flip? I mean I don't have much to add in the form of that, I'm just curious as to why you said that.

Gurkinn, please share that reads list soon, would help I'm sure in showing your point of view when just joining the game.

I should also say that I'm gonna be a bit lacking over Day 3. I should only have minimal access to anon over the next few days but I plan to jump on when I have the opportunity. Should be back before the deadline however just saying I won't be here the whole time most likely.

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Ramona G. wrote:

Professor Icarus wrote:I would love to hear your reasoning from your point of view on why I am scummy @Ramona G. Also I didn't see much? You weren't even here day 1 to see anything. And I even referenced Fernando as a possible FoS read day 1, it's not like he wasn't scummy to me, I just had other circumstances preventing me from getting on to see the anon game.

Anyway, elaborate on your read upon me, you're not really explaining why I'm scum very well, and I want to understand from your point of view why I suddenly seem scummy due to these reads.

Errr, I mean "say" not "see" (sorry for typo). Here's why I said that:
Before the deadline, you had 5 posts, with only 3 of them about the game and not confirmation.
Your first post did not mention anything about Fernando whatsoever, and focused on Towa with a lynch on Brodie.
Your second post was about jailkeeper claiming, again, no reference to Fernando whatsoever.
Your third post is the only post that has anything related to Fernando. Even then, it was not the main topic of your post. Your only line talking about Fernando is "I do agree with Natasha's read there on Fernando at least and I can see what she's getting at, but I'll read over everything again and give a proper response later about my thoughts on lynch targets."

From that, I got the idea that he thinks is Fernando but he isn't really sure. Today when he says "intended to lynch Fernando as I had been saying beforehand with my thoughts on him." seems a bit sudden and in my opinion could be a mafia saying like oh i wanted to lynch him too!!! or something. The reason why I think it's scummy is because you never had a post that fully focus on Fernando but only one sentence (and Natasha didn't even read him as 100% scum but rather (scum/badtown)).

In conclusion, the information he said about Fernando day 1 was not convincing enough for me to think that he wanted to lynch Fernando.

I'm sorry but that logic is flawed.Your point of view here is from a post lynch view, which I can understand that may seem bad. I only had like 4 posts at the time, so what did you expect me to be majorly tunneling on Fernando? I didn't really say why entirely I had a heavy scumread on him, I do agree but I wasn't there the past few days to actually say something about it. Me agreeing with Natasha's read at the time (a scum read at the time) would suggest that my read was a scumread, which it was. Unfortunately due to this lack of activity to actually say that apparently has menas a major scum read when you only perking up now to actually talk isn't a cause for concern? You barely referenced anything in day 1 to be frank and me not lynching him does not mean I am necessarily scum.

anyway, quick recap, it was d1 and i wasn't as active as could have been, therefore didn't have the analysis at the time to back up this like you apparently need to have a lynch, although understanding and agreeing with another scumread doesn't imply that I have a scumread upon him.

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I would love to hear your reasoning from your point of view on why I am scummy @Ramona G. Also I didn't see much? You weren't even here day 1 to see anything. And I even referenced Fernando as a possible FoS read day 1, it's not like he wasn't scummy to me, I just had other circumstances preventing me from getting on to see the anon game.

Anyway, elaborate on your read upon me, you're not really explaining why I'm scum very well, and I want to understand from your point of view why I suddenly seem scummy due to these reads.

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Towa Q. wrote:

Professor Icarus wrote:Towa Q. : Right now with Towa I feel like I have a slight town lean. Her posts have been OK so far, loved the bulk of content she gave when she was actually pressured but my god would it kill to actually share something other than the bare minimum when you're not being pressured. Seem to sorta be tunneling on Brodie at the moment, which I can see why but I don't see the need to lynch him today at least, better outcomes can be reached with discussion of everyone. slight town lean (urge that you focus on everyone today, rather than just your ideal scumread. Would help us to see a lot more details rather than a focus on Brodie)

Tbh, I know I need to make a better reads list, but atm I am stuck with just the two scumreads from yesterday until Brodie or Charmaine can respond in bulk (and with some intelligence in Charmaine's case). I have nothing much new to add if the people I am scumreading are not being active, and both of them have been online since I have called them out, so it just makes them seem even scummier to me to not reply. Atm, they are the only ones I see as worthy of scumreading because they are the only ones who have even attempted to play and respond until they were called out.

I would like to see AJ make sure a couple of these users are still active, since they seem to have dropped off so much and sub out the ones who are not active, as it makes for a harder game when 2-3 players are inactive af.

That's no excuse when you can sit down and make up a proper readslist. A readslist is not simply scumreads, it's based on your thoughts on players. Honestly not seeing the issue in you looking back to EVERYONES plays rather than you diverting the attention to Brodie and Charmaine. It's really being a cause for concern for me and you saying 'i can't make a reads list cause i can't think about the other people' isn't an excuse. It's your opinions, not something that is hugely deciding. Even just some small statements on players would aid us im sure and you avoiding it isn't gonna help us other.

Anyway for thoughts on lynches today, I'm willing to wait and hear if Brodie gets back and responds tomorrow and then we can sort of make our mind up based on everyone's thoughts upon players.

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Annie F. wrote:Icarus: While there's not many posts, the posts do have content and he's promised a big post, so until then he's neutral just one thing, why exactly can't hypo work if you say it? because I can think of literally no reason why it shouldn't.

Did I not mention that I misread that entire situation? Apologies if I didn't but yeah I assumed you guys were going on about hypo implying that you were planning on doing it.

Anyways readslist. Sorry for the slight delay but better late than never.

Brodie S. : I totally agree with all of Brodie's thoughts so far based on the Jailkeeper claiming (towas idea of him saying it's ok to claim and the not OK makes sense but current thoughts align with my ideas) and I understand his point of view with it all. About me lynching him since it's slightly relevant, I just did it mainly for reactions and nothing came from it as I previously stated. Although some of the things various people have brought up so far are quite good points and have made me think about his standard at the moment, right now I view Brodie as a slight town read, his lack of activity now is a bit worrying and I wish he was about, but understandable if he's away due to stuff. Anyway slight town lean.

Towa Q. : Right now with Towa I feel like I have a slight town lean. Her posts have been OK so far, loved the bulk of content she gave when she was actually pressured but my god would it kill to actually share something other than the bare minimum when you're not being pressured. Seem to sorta be tunneling on Brodie at the moment, which I can see why but I don't see the need to lynch him today at least, better outcomes can be reached with discussion of everyone. slight town lean (urge that you focus on everyone today, rather than just your ideal scumread. Would help us to see a lot more details rather than a focus on Brodie)

Nanette B. : You apparently said yourself that you planned to be a bit more active compared to your previous games, did you only have like 4 posts or something? The bulk of what you're saying is either quite blatantly obvious or you're just echoing what others are saying in a different way. I mean some of the stuff you've said is alright but it's still slightly fillering. Inactivity also but I can't say if that'd deliberate or not probably not. neutral, leaning slight scum

Haruno H. : Not much to comment on be more active please. neutral

Charmaine U. : man you're active. i see your strategy in being a bit aggressive but being like this isn't aiding us at all. How about you give input rather than play like a retard yourself? No content, which seems to be the thing you're scrutinising, and you don't seem to be willing to not shitpost at least earlier in day 1. (See Fernando lynch post. I think most people saw that if they actually read the thread.) neutral could quick easily shift if he gives us something to read rather than his pissy aggressive attitude.

Mimi F. - Strong town read. Her points are very valid in my opinion and I can agree with her reads list to be honest. I can't see any major faults that I could bring up, but yeah I feel like she's a strong town read with good quality posts so far. strong town lean

Annie F. - Also a likely town read for me. Liking her level of detail so far based on her reads and analysis of the players so far. I love some of your breakdown of the content Brodie had day 1 with the JK stuff which actually helped me see a lot of his faults. Really not sure what I can cover that other people haven't said however, so will just leave it as a town lean

Natasha L. : more activity please. You said you would notify us if you were away but haven't really done much. She's clearly been online and is quite obviously lurking right now considering her lack of comment on the lynch (last online yesterday based on time of this post.). Honestly would love some more input, but if you're gonna lurk that's gonna be bad for people reading you, especially for town reading you falsely as a result of it. currently slight scum lean

Ramona G : Lack of content. What was there was relevant like Annie I think said, which is fair enough but the heavy lurking/inactivity isn't that great. null, what is there to read.

Gurkinn N - again a severe lack of content but in this case a lot of filler. scum leaning


Apologies for the lacking reads in some areas, didn't have that much I could comment on some stuff but I don't see what I could in some areas. Anyway any questions feel free and ask them, I'm open to explaining reads if needed.

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Great job guys. Apologies for not getting on for deadline yesterday, not used to these early shenanigans AJ is pulling on us with these games, intended to lynch Fernando as I had been saying beforehand with my thoughts on him. I'm gonna write up a post with some reads based on what we have so far and share them later on, so I won't go on much with this. Great job though, we're on track at the moment for a good win.

I'd urge those who haven't really spoken out yet to speak and actually share their thoughts, the more the better. (Bit hypocritical me saying that but oh well.

also is deadline actually 9pm or is it am, i just wanted to make sure since that's what I mixed up last time

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Natasha L. wrote:Aj, Haruno has only talked once this game, which was the confirm his role. You may want to sub him.

Two others that I believe are slightly scummy:

Professor Icarus for lynching Brodie because "why not" with no particular other reason. This is slight, mind you ^^

Also, Fernando for denouncing claiming VT for the wrong reason, and jumping on the Towa lynch immediately. Also reading people because they are "not sure why." Could be scum; could also be a bad town.

Reminder to everyone: you need reasons for everything.

My lynch was more for pressure and to get some form of a reaction. I wouldn't go ahead and say that when I lynched due to the pressure then being redundant due to that. I do have a reason, but as stated I'm not gonna give it away if it ruins a strategy. Apparently it didn't work anyway considering he just ignored it

Anyway, I'll probably do a bulky post after the lynch tomorrow as then I can properly gauge people's reactions and defences closer to the deadline today. It should give me enough stuff I'm sure to bring up. I'm sort of against the Towa lynch, but I'll wait for her defense of course before properly making my mind up. She doesn't seem like the person I would immediately think of as a target and has been fairly OK so far. I do agree with Natasha's read there on Fernando at least and I can see what she's getting at, but I'll read over everything again and give a proper response later about my thoughts on lynch targets.

also just saying hypo is dumb as fuck now considering you guys brought it up. really only works best when you actually have some people who claim first. It was dumb beforehand, don't get me wrong. But a bit stupid to go on about it now that scum can see it as a possible strategy quite obviously. Not even gonna bring up how redundant Brodie's question about jungle republic is when it's hardly relevant to the current game.

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Honestly guys not seeing the benefits outweighing the risks here on the JK claiming. Understandable why some may feel it's a good decision but it's quite risky in itself and means that mafia will be able to meta around that themselves, and blatantly avoid that person until doc dies. It's not like that will make us a highly motivated unit having a JK, it's more than likely that someone would counterclaim it to be frank with you all. Having multiple leaders rather than a JK is much better in my eyes. Means we get more diverse opinions and people aren't sitting echoing the same ideas the JK decided to rattle off that day. Apologies if this is a somewhat controversial idea, but I cant see it being the most beneficial outcome for town right now.

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Towa Q. wrote:Doc can be on JK and JK can be on doc if need be. If you're not a VT though, then I don't want to waste a lynch on a town power role. If we're lynching a potential doc or JK, then yes, there is a point to claiming.

That's a dumb strategy to be honest, especially from the JK POV. The JK would basically invalidate us as a town and our advantages with power roles as a whole and therefore ruin our chances further. The WIFOM from the fact of the claim should be enough really to ward this off imo and avoid a kill on them, and doc can choose to protect to enforce this if they want. Also about not wasting a lynch on a town power role, that's a bit self explanatory is it not? Thanks for echoing every strategy ever invented for town in mafia, really needed my 101 lesson.

Anyway, here we go.

lynch Brodie S. since why not

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also im one fine looking gentleman to be quite frank with you all

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Confirmed! Let's get to that 10 page pregame shitpost record guys. Also Nanette, Audinos clearly aren't malicious, top tier comp pokes, i use them in my high elo ubers team with my other PU mons.