Game 24: Near-Vanilla

Fernando T. wrote:Claiming vt does nothing but expose power roles if anything
Towa what the hell was that bandwagon. I random lynch to get some discussion in and you say if it feels good, do it and hop right on it.

Not sure why but Brodie is getting a kinda town lean from me

unlynch Gurkinn lynch Towa

"Not sure why" Could it be his wall post and his helpfulness with townie ideas? Not at alllll. I believe Brodie is town, despite the post further down that I believe I quoted, where Mimi(?) said that he may be trying to seem townie with a longer, wordier post of simple ideas. I simply don't believe this is what Brodie did. 

Mimi F. wrote:The amount of lynches on Towa already surprises me.  Yes, she made a couple of logical errors in her reasoning on VT claims, but there really hasn't been anything said that warrants a hammered lynch this early in the day.

On the topic of JK claiming, it seems like are just too many variables that can go wrong.  Brodie mentioned the game of wifom going on between the town PRs and the mafia and chalked it up as a positive, but that's only if the town wins the battle of wits.  Also, without doctor claimed, the mafia could kill the doc, or the JK could target the doc and get targeted him/herself (unlikely), or the doctor could protect someone other than the JK and maf could kill JK (unlikely), or if the doctor DOES claim, he/she has to be jailed every night to be protected, which renders him/her useless.

To summarize:  Towa shouldn't be lynched this early in the day, JK claim is a shaky if not bad idea, and claiming doc is not even a possibility.

Reading this, I think JK should claim later down the road, but only if he has found something or it's important. I do not think him claiming day one is a good idea though. Mafia have a relatively low chance of hitting him first anyway so I think it's fine to hide out. Also, the room played a game of this, to y'know, have some practice, and the doc was lynched day one and the JK was hypoed. However, as we all know, hypoing doesn't always work out very well, especially in the anon games. (Jungle republic) Scum ended up winning this game, so lets try to avoid this route as much as possible. 

Annie F. wrote:

Brodie S. wrote:

Annie F. wrote:Are we still talking about the asking people to claim VT thing? because no matter who you ask, they should be claiming VT. that's common sense.

What do you believe, and why do you believe it?
For a VT claim to have meaning, it must mean something. Literally everybody claims VT in this setup, except maybe JK or stupid early fake-claiming mafia.
If you're going to run a test, it has to differentiate between two different possible outcomes. Otherwise it's like saying "I painted the Christmas tree red, and it doesn't clash with the wall, so therefore we ought to legalize cyanide." Whether or not a red Christmas tree actually does or does not clash with the color of the wall has absolutely no bearing on the argument we actually care about.
Same thing with claiming VT. We have no new information, the test tells us nothing. "Annie claimed VT, so therefore she's...?"

I honestly don't get the point of this post, because to me it seems like you've basically taken my post and put an awfully long explainer after it so that even retarded people will understand my point. A simple "yeah you can't say anything about the claim if everyone claims VT" would have had the same meaning and less words. This just makes you look smarter, it makes you look more towny.

You have made some good points, but for some reason you feel the need to put awfully long explainers in it, which honestly doesn't make me very inclined to trust you, seeing as a reason to be doing this, again, could be because it makes you look more towny.

I'm not going to quote your huge post because it's huge, but I will respond to it. You, once again, give a huge explainer as to why you think JK should claim, but consider this: the doctor is actually more likely to stop protecting the JK for a cheeky wifom because it's not their OWN life on the line. To them it's actually not as bad if the JK dies as it would be if they themselves were to die. If they themselves die, that's it. It's game over for them, if the JK dies that sucks, but they're still in the game. They'll take more risks with other people's lives than with their own.

Of course you might be right and the doctor won't take risks, that depends on the kind of person they are. So if the JK wants to claim, they can, but they might still be risking their life, as the doctor might risk it for them.

Read above about how the doc died and scum won. Might not be the same in every one, but it's definitely a large handicap for town. We all know that there is a shit ton of Wifom involved with the claiming of doc/JK, so let's stop commenting since I think each and every one of us can think it up in our heads and it's already been said before. 

I don't think doc and JK risking their lives at all are a good idea right now, but idk about anyone else. 

Delilah H. wrote:Actually Mimi, I posted 3 content-filled posts. Or did you miss the long post in between the two you mentioned?

Mfw game 23 is pure shitposting and lolicons and shoutacons. So I think it's safe to say that we are having a better D1 discussion than them rn. Then again none of us have particularly "scummy" avatars... that I noticed.

I'd like to see a bit more activity and discussion from everyone btw.

DON'T TALK ABOUT LOLICONS AND SHOUTACONS I SWEAR TO GOD I WILL GO OFF ON YOU. 

Also activity is nice but I've also been a tiny bit busy to do this. I think ohers have been too, but as we get into it we'll see who really talks a lot and who doesn't contribute much. My goal this game it to be more active that last games though, so! \o/

Would like to see more activity from Gurkinn Haruno Chermaine and Ramona
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Votecount 1.3
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Towa Q.(4)- Natasha L., Brodie S., Fernando T., Delilah H.
Gurkinn N.(1)- Towa Q.
Brodie S.(1)- Professor Icarus
Fernando T.(0)-
Nanette B.(0)-
Haruno H.(0)-
Delilah H.(0)-
Charmaine U.(0)-
Professor Icarus(0)-
Mimi F.(0)-
Annie F.(0)-
Natasha L.(0)-
Ramona G.(0)-
Not Voting(7)- Nanette B., Gurkinn N., Haruno H., Charmaine U., Mimi F., Annie F., Ramona G.
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There are 13 alive so it takes 7 to hammer. Plurality applies.
Deadline is Friday the 24th at 9am EST.

Nanette B. wrote:
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Reading this, I think JK should claim later down the road, but only if he has found something or it's important. I do not think him claiming day one is a good idea though. Mafia have a relatively low chance of hitting him first anyway so I think it's fine to hide out. Also, the room played a game of this, to y'know, have some practice, and the doc was lynched day one and the JK was hypoed. However, as we all know, hypoing doesn't always work out very well, especially in the anon games. (Jungle republic) Scum ended up winning this game, so lets try to avoid this route as much as possible. 

Annie F. wrote:

Brodie S. wrote:

Annie F. wrote:Are we still talking about the asking people to claim VT thing? because no matter who you ask, they should be claiming VT. that's common sense.

What do you believe, and why do you believe it?
For a VT claim to have meaning, it must mean something. Literally everybody claims VT in this setup, except maybe JK or stupid early fake-claiming mafia.
If you're going to run a test, it has to differentiate between two different possible outcomes. Otherwise it's like saying "I painted the Christmas tree red, and it doesn't clash with the wall, so therefore we ought to legalize cyanide." Whether or not a red Christmas tree actually does or does not clash with the color of the wall has absolutely no bearing on the argument we actually care about.
Same thing with claiming VT. We have no new information, the test tells us nothing. "Annie claimed VT, so therefore she's...?"

I honestly don't get the point of this post, because to me it seems like you've basically taken my post and put an awfully long explainer after it so that even retarded people will understand my point. A simple "yeah you can't say anything about the claim if everyone claims VT" would have had the same meaning and less words. This just makes you look smarter, it makes you look more towny.

You have made some good points, but for some reason you feel the need to put awfully long explainers in it, which honestly doesn't make me very inclined to trust you, seeing as a reason to be doing this, again, could be because it makes you look more towny.

I'm not going to quote your huge post because it's huge, but I will respond to it. You, once again, give a huge explainer as to why you think JK should claim, but consider this: the doctor is actually more likely to stop protecting the JK for a cheeky wifom because it's not their OWN life on the line. To them it's actually not as bad if the JK dies as it would be if they themselves were to die. If they themselves die, that's it. It's game over for them, if the JK dies that sucks, but they're still in the game. They'll take more risks with other people's lives than with their own.

Of course you might be right and the doctor won't take risks, that depends on the kind of person they are. So if the JK wants to claim, they can, but they might still be risking their life, as the doctor might risk it for them.

Read above about how the doc died and scum won. Might not be the same in every one, but it's definitely a large handicap for town. We all know that there is a shit ton of Wifom involved with the claiming of doc/JK, so let's stop commenting since I think each and every one of us can think it up in our heads and it's already been said before. 
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The way you tell me to read above makes it look like that's something I could have seen before I made the post, just saying.
Of course there's wifom involved, but if I hadn't mentioned this part of the wifom involved, Brodie would still be thinking it's a good idea to have JK claim, so why are you saying we can all think it up in our heads and it's been said before? because by me saying the above, I brought up something Brodie hadn't read or thought about before, so neither of those statements are true. Why do you want to stop this discussion?

Brodie, I agree with whoever it was that said the big words are annoying and unnecessary. It's once again something that I could see the mafia using as a tactic to seem smarter and as such more town-like. It's not helping.

Fernando T. wrote:Would like to see more activity from Gurkinn Haruno Chermaine and Ramona
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you know, if you're gonna ask for people to be more active you should probably be posting a little more yourself. Sure you have made several posts, but they were all pretty tiny and just agreeing or disagreeing on shit.

Nanette B. wrote:

Fernando T. wrote:

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Not sure why but Brodie is getting a kinda town lean from me

unlynch Gurkinn lynch Towa

"Not sure why" Could it be his wall post and his helpfulness with townie ideas? Not at alllll. I believe Brodie is town, despite the post further down that I believe I quoted, where Mimi(?) said that he may be trying to seem townie with a longer, wordier post of simple ideas. I simply don't believe this is what Brodie did. 

At this moment I dont believe he's doing that either, but it is something for us to keep in mind, just as I mentioned I think in a recent post to Brodie. It does make it roundabout and goes a little too in detail kinda like a red herring.

Spoiler:

Reading this, I think JK should claim later down the road, but only if he has found something or it's important. I do not think him claiming day one is a good idea though. Mafia have a relatively low chance of hitting him first anyway so I think it's fine to hide out. Also, the room played a game of this, to y'know, have some practice, and the doc was lynched day one and the JK was hypoed. However, as we all know, hypoing doesn't always work out very well, especially in the anon games. (Jungle republic) Scum ended up winning this game, so lets try to avoid this route as much as possible. 

Well Jungle Republic was kinda hard for town to win in the first place. Mafia were basically town with a seperate private chat. WW could only be inspected by one person, who had a very tough WIFOM to pull going into day if he got a scum inspect. Plus iirc one game lynched their seer D1 which kinda ruined the point of the hypo. Also dependant on the time frame too. if we are nearing MYLO/LYLO but are not quite at it, it might be a decent time to claim.

Spoiler:

DON'T TALK ABOUT LOLICONS AND SHOUTACONS I SWEAR TO GOD I WILL GO OFF ON YOU. 

Also activity is nice but I've also been a tiny bit busy to do this. I think ohers have been too, but as we get into it we'll see who really talks a lot and who doesn't contribute much. My goal this game it to be more active that last games though, so! \o/

I honestly don't get why you are freaking out about that but ok. After I ask one question: what are lolicons and shoutacons?

Guys to make posts shorter and easier to read do spoiler (text) /spoiler in the square brackets for things that you are quoting.

Hypoing doesn't always work out well, but it does have a time and a place for proper use. Hypo's drawback is that it makes it easier to find the power roles in the first place. In this setup, frankly, we lose more by freaking out about doctor/JK than we would if they were completely underutilized. If they die a night or two earlier than they otherwise would have, it's bad, but certainly not awful.

What, exactly, went wrong with the hypo of that Jungle Republic?

Prepare for a newspaper later tonight, since everyone seems keen to lynch me. But I would suggest not hammering me until DL, since it will give us 2 extra days to discuss and plur will get me anyway if that's really what you want to do. Anyway, back in a few hours.

Natasha L. wrote:Aj, Haruno has only talked once this game, which was the confirm his role. You may want to sub him.

Two others that I believe are slightly scummy:

Professor Icarus for lynching Brodie because "why not" with no particular other reason. This is slight, mind you ^^

Also, Fernando for denouncing claiming VT for the wrong reason, and jumping on the Towa lynch immediately. Also reading people because they are "not sure why." Could be scum; could also be a bad town.

Reminder to everyone: you need reasons for everything.

My lynch was more for pressure and to get some form of a reaction. I wouldn't go ahead and say that when I lynched due to the pressure then being redundant due to that. I do have a reason, but as stated I'm not gonna give it away if it ruins a strategy. Apparently it didn't work anyway considering he just ignored it

Anyway, I'll probably do a bulky post after the lynch tomorrow as then I can properly gauge people's reactions and defences closer to the deadline today. It should give me enough stuff I'm sure to bring up. I'm sort of against the Towa lynch, but I'll wait for her defense of course before properly making my mind up. She doesn't seem like the person I would immediately think of as a target and has been fairly OK so far. I do agree with Natasha's read there on Fernando at least and I can see what she's getting at, but I'll read over everything again and give a proper response later about my thoughts on lynch targets.

also just saying hypo is dumb as fuck now considering you guys brought it up. really only works best when you actually have some people who claim first. It was dumb beforehand, don't get me wrong. But a bit stupid to go on about it now that scum can see it as a possible strategy quite obviously. Not even gonna bring up how redundant Brodie's question about jungle republic is when it's hardly relevant to the current game.

Brodie, the thing that went wrong

Icarus, I don't think anyone was suggesting that we hypo. I believe Nanette was just explaining what had happened with the hypo in the server game as well as the hypo in Jungle Republic as kind of a means to discourage people trying to hypo in the future, (ie: listing examples of it failing)... which I am not sure was really going to be a problem, as no one brought it up or claimed JK yet. The issues that have been stated with multiple claims was if a mafia cc'ed the JK. Not to say that I dont see her rationale behind stating this, as people on the server decided to hypo when they felt like they were out of options.

Also, apparently today is my Furfrou's birthday! Happy birthday Queenie! Yes mommy loves you! -gets face licked by Queenie the Furfrou-

Towa, I see you are online, I'm eagerly awaiting to read your defense, as well as your reads/thoughts on who would be a better lynch.

Charmaine U:

This is just a side note to my response, but assuming mafia makes a kill every night, then we actually only have 3 mislynches.

Natasha L:

First

Towa Q. wrote:Doc can be on JK and JK can be on doc if need be. If you're not a VT though, then I don't want to waste a lynch on a town power role. If we're lynching a potential doc or JK, then yes, there is a point to claiming.

Since Natasha seems to think I am stupid (point a), let me explain it a bit better. I know what a JK does. I'm not suggesting they both claim and try to protect each other.

What I am suggesting with this "vt claim" thing is this: We pick a target to start a lynch, hence the attempt on Professor Icarus/Gurkinn N. Then, we ask them if they are a VT. Here's what it does: If they are not a VT, and are in fact a town power role, then they can claim. I'm not asking for the outright claim of both of our power roles, as that just leads to suicide, but, if we're attempting to lynch either of our power roles, then it's better for them to claim and not waste our time continuing to put lynches/pressure on a target only for the PR claim a few votes short of hammer and then everyone unlynching and us having to restart a day before DL. At best, we would have only VT claims as we start hunting targets, although there is an advantage to getting one of our PR claims out. Instead of getting all the specific quotes about it, I will just put everything right here. I would like EITHER the JK OR the doc picked out by this method. I agree that them claiming right away without reason is not the best idea, but if we're about to lynch on of them, then we need to know it. Getting one of them to claim gives us a clear D1, or mafia can be stupid and try to claim a town PR on D1, and by asking them to specify which one, we have the ability to get a CC out and lynch between the two. We can also get a town leader that we know we can trust, not follow blindly if they have bad ideas, but that we can trust. If it is the JK that claims, then the doc can be on them right away. If it is the doc that claims, then the JK can be on them to protect them. This is what I meant by the doc can be on JK and the JK can be on doc. We have a 1/13 chance of attempting to lynch the doc, and a 2/13 chance to hit either of our power roles.

Delilah H. wrote:Towa wanted VT claims for us to lynch btw... To me I feel it is mafia trying to rule out the jk/doctor subtly. Does anyone else feel this?

If the person we ask to claim VT does claim VT, then we can lynch them. Mafia will claim VT or risk being lynched within 1-2 days, depending on if we hit them or their CC. Since our lynchee will be revealed after being lynched anyway, then why does it matter if I ask them to claim VT when lynching them? It will give scum the same 2/12 chance of hitting a PR at night from the lynch reveal as the early claim would.

Next, for your point b, Natasha, and for this quote:

Brodie S. wrote:1) Bandwagoning on a randomlynch is the most overtly nihilistic thing you could be doing at the moment. Congratulations(!), day one has barely begun, and I don't feel like I can trust you to pull your weight mid/late game now. Consider this a challenge to change my mind.

Let's explain the random lynch. As a few users have pointed out, a random lynch is not a bad start. It places pressure and can to discussion based on reactions to pressure. It's not as bad as you make it sound, Brodie, although thank your sarcastic response. A simple explanation would have been fine, instead of being a dick, dick. I don't care if you don't trust me to "pull my weight", this is how I play and if you don't like it, lynch me or get over it. I'm not going to change myself to fit your playstlye or gain your approval.

Brodie S:

Picking through your post, I feel this is worth mentioning. Each numbered response will correspond with the numbers of your own con list, fyi.
1- This is not necessarily true, although likely. With a dead doc, mafia will try to kill JK next, yes, but what happens if JK blocks someone and lives? It gives us a huge scumlead on whoever the JK happened to block that night. Not the best odds, but a possibility.
2- The JK hitting doc shouldn't be too big of a deal. I doubt scum will try to hit the JK, as wasting 2 kills will give us an extra misslynch. Maybe they will see it as worth it to try once, but the chances of this mattering if it accidentally happens is slim.
3- Since you have since changed your stance on JK claiming D1, this isn't too much of a concern. I still support a PR claim if we start a lynch on one of them, but otherwise keeping both protections on likely mafia targets will be better for us in preventing the two deaths we need to win an extra misslynch.

Fernando T:

Time to start on you. First, tell me, what does on extra lynch matter for you to immediately switch to me once I start racking up the lynches? You used a random lynch and I put my own on your target to increase pressure. My lynch does not hammer, not even close, and yet you feel it was so game-changing to warrant a switch to me? I'd like your reasoning on this, please. And as for your last quote, if you think we're in the "long post phase", then maybe try making your own instead of pointlessly agreeing with people and not adding new information. So far, everything you have said has been filler-y, and you are now one of my scumreads because of it.

Delilah H:

To your strike, yes, we could start with me, but from my perspective that would be a waste since I know I am town. Nothing to really argue there, it's up to the rest of you lynching me to decide. To your numbers, here are my own:
1- I again know how a JK works. I doubt AJ would put in a player who didn't know that.
2- With one claim out only, mafia will have to sift through VTs to find the other PR before they can kill the first, just as we have to sift through to find mafia in the VT claims.
5- This only requires one claim, which I would like to avoid, in order to keep a PR alive. The other can continue to not claim and just protect the claimed role. I feel your points 2-5 are all based on the fact that you think I want doc and JK to claim and try to protect each other, which I do not.
5- Another thing to say to this, though. With a clear PR, mafia will likely think that the other will be on th claimed PR in order to save them and not waste the kill allowing for both PRs to protect possible VTs and stop the maf kill.

You are absolutely right, all of this is huge wifom. Sorry, it's just the way I play. Wifom on top of wifom, and it's up to the players with the power to protect to decide what is best for the night. Not gonna change up my strat to suit your playstyle, but expect me to use wifom. I use it for my reads and it helps to get inside maf heads and try to screw them over.

Nanette B:

 
I continue to agree that JK/doc should hold off on claiming unless lynches come their way. I would like to say, though, that I would like them to be claimed a day before mylo/lylo. The timing of the claim is important, holding off a JK claim until we hit mylo is just asking for a mafia CC, in which case, we risk a 50/50 of either hitting the mafia or hitting a PR and losing on mylo. This risk is fine if it's before mylo/lylo, but not on the day of. I would like this to be kept in mind by everyone if/when we get to that point.

Fernando T. wrote:Would like to see more activity from Gurkinn Haruno Chermaine and Ramona
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I agree with the names you listed, but again, I would like to see more from you as well, verses these filler-esque posts that you keep making.

Delilah H. wrote:Towa, I see you are online, I'm eagerly awaiting to read your defense, as well as your reads/thoughts on who would be a better lynch.

Current reads:

Brodie S- Neutral- My distaste for his sarcasm interferes with my read on him, so I'm not going to say he's scummy for it. He's had useful pro-town posts, but I will hold off on him for now.
Fernando T- Scum read- filler af and providing nothing of use.
Nanette B- Town read- Need to go over her posts more thoroughly but running out of time for now.
Delilah H- Town read.
Professor Icarus- Neutral- Slight town read.
Mimi F- Town read- Slightly.
Annie F- Neutral.
Natasha L- Scum read- Only slightly and more so as a gut read. Need to reread posts, but again, time.
Ramona G- Town read- Slightly.


My reads were a little rushed and I will provide better ones tomorrow (irl) but I have little time now. The ones not mentioned don't have enough posts for me to accurately judge them. Also, Delilah, in response to who a better lynch would be, I would personally argue Fernando, Gurkinn, Haruno, Charmaine, or Ramona. Less so Charmaine, but the others are next to useless without any activity/anything productive to add. I hope to see them change that.

Last thing, if my thoughts are a little scattered, sorry, I'm tired and I tried to fit everything into one post. If there are things you would like me to address, let me know and I will try tomorrow when I update my reads.

Delilah H. wrote:Brodie, the thing that went wrong

...?
....The thing that went wrong was....?

And, also, what Furfrou?

Spoiler:

Oops. for some reason it didnt come through. i prob forgot to type it or something. the thing that wrong with the jungle republlic hypo was that seer was lynched d1, iirc.

errr... correction: d2 in game 18 now that i checked and seer nk'ed n2 in game 17.

my furfrou. look at my pic smh.

Brodie S. wrote:1) Bandwagoning on a randomlynch is the most overtly nihilistic thing you could be doing at the moment. Congratulations(!), day one has barely begun, and I don't feel like I can trust you to pull your weight mid/late game now. Consider this a challenge to change my mind.

Let's explain the random lynch. As a few users have pointed out, a random lynch is not a bad start. It places pressure and can to discussion based on reactions to pressure. It's not as bad as you make it sound, Brodie, although thank your sarcastic response. A simple explanation would have been fine, instead of being a dick, dick. I don't care if you don't trust me to "pull my weight", this is how I play and if you don't like it, lynch me or get over it. I'm not going to change myself to fit your playstlye or gain your approval.

I'm not sure if you realise that I rl'd on Gurkinn like 2 posts before

Fernando T. wrote:....
I already said, I made a rl to get stuff going, then a stupidbw came out of nowhere

Fernando T. wrote:Yay. We are into long post phase.
I feel that JK shouldn't claim. It wastes the possibilty of doc saving a night kill, unless doc goes ultra wifom. Also if doc gets hit, then we are into vanilla.

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Time to start on you. First, tell me, what does on extra lynch matter for you to immediately switch to me once I start racking up the lynches? You used a random lynch and I put my own on your target to increase pressure. My lynch does not hammer, not even close, and yet you feel it was so game-changing to warrant a switch to me? I'd like your reasoning on this, please. And as for your last quote, if you think we're in the "long post phase", then maybe try making your own instead of pointlessly agreeing with people and not adding new information. So far, everything you have said has been filler-y, and you are now one of my scumreads because of it [/quote]
Ok I guess you do realise I rl'd Gurkinn before
It's day 1. There really isn't much we can do. Thanks for clarifying why you rl'd that person tho. That's what I was looking for

unlunch Towa Q.

Crap the formatting messed up when I deleted stuff

Votecount 1.4
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Towa Q.(3)- Natasha L., Brodie S., Delilah H.
Gurkinn N.(1)- Towa Q.
Brodie S.(1)- Professor Icarus
Fernando T.(0)-
Nanette B.(0)-
Haruno H.(0)-
Delilah H.(0)-
Charmaine U.(0)-
Professor Icarus(0)-
Mimi F.(0)-
Annie F.(0)-
Natasha L.(0)-
Ramona G.(0)-
Not Voting(8)- Nanette B., Gurkinn N., Haruno H., Charmaine U., Mimi F., Annie F., Ramona G., Fernando T.
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There are 13 alive so it takes 7 to hammer. Plurality applies.
Deadline is Friday the 24th at 9am EST.

If the deadline was now, Towa Q. would be lynched.

Towa Q. wrote:Since Natasha seems to think I am stupid (point a), let me explain it a bit better. I know what a JK does. I'm not suggesting they both claim and try to protect each other.

What I am suggesting with this "vt claim" thing is this: We pick a target to start a lynch, hence the attempt on Professor Icarus/Gurkinn N. Then, we ask them if they are a VT. Here's what it does: If they are not a VT, and are in fact a town power role, then they can claim. I'm not asking for the outright claim of both of our power roles, as that just leads to suicide, but, if we're attempting to lynch either of our power roles, then it's better for them to claim and not waste our time continuing to put lynches/pressure on a target only for the PR claim a few votes short of hammer and then everyone unlynching and us having to restart a day before DL. At best, we would have only VT claims as we start hunting targets, although there is an advantage to getting one of our PR claims out. Instead of getting all the specific quotes about it, I will just put everything right here. I would like EITHER the JK OR the doc picked out by this method. I agree that them claiming right away without reason is not the best idea, but if we're about to lynch on of them, then we need to know it. Getting one of them to claim gives us a clear D1, or mafia can be stupid and try to claim a town PR on D1, and by asking them to specify which one, we have the ability to get a CC out and lynch between the two. We can also get a town leader that we know we can trust, not follow blindly if they have bad ideas, but that we can trust. If it is the JK that claims, then the doc can be on them right away. If it is the doc that claims, then the JK can be on them to protect them. This is what I meant by the doc can be on JK and the JK can be on doc. We have a 1/13 chance of attempting to lynch the doc, and a 2/13 chance to hit either of our power roles.

OK, this is explained much better. I still do not feel as though you explained it well the first time, and I do not understand why you have a scumread on me (you never explained it). All you said was "scum read - I need to re-look over her posts." That being said, I was looking for information and contributions from you, and you delivered.

Unlynch Towa Q.

I do, however, agree that Fernando T. is the scummiest person in the game right now (with you being dismissed). He's been fillering, jumping on every bandwagon, and all of his "contributing" has actually been explaining why he bandwagonned on the rl early day 1.

lynch Fernando T.

Looking through some things, I now feel I have a solid 2 scumreads. Thoughts coming in about 4 hours, after work.

I would love for Brodie to give thoughts on my post, btw. And Fernando to reply to why he switched to me, in better details. Brb~

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Damn Towa, I'm impressed by your post tbh. I agree that JK/doc should hold off on claiming until a day or 2 depending on our situation b4 MYLO, in order to prevent Mafia CC. I would assume, however, that JK/Doc would know to claim before they are lynched. Like 2 irl days when they are at risk of le deadline. That way we have time to unlynch

Fernando T. wrote:

Towa Q. wrote:

Brodie S.:

I'm not sure if you realise that I rl'd on Gurkinn like 2 posts before

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Ok I guess you do realise I rl'd Gurkinn before
It's day 1. There really isn't much we can do. Thanks for clarifying why you rl'd that person tho. That's what I was looking for

unlunch Towa Q.

(has Ramona or Gurkinn posted at all since the start of this game?)