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no. your second strategy where we don't lynch won't work. If charmaine isn't mafia the mafia can idle and idle and then decide to simply attack someone they know is protected, to give us the idea that charmaine is confirmed mafia. Your first strategy is a guarantee and right now I really don't want to drag this game on just because of points, remember that charmaine was defending mimi. It would make sense for her to be scum and if it's a misslynch, I honestly don't care about my points.

Lynch Charmaine

We'll follow the plan of lynching, as there's nothing that can go wrong and it gives us as much assurance as any other way. Like this if you don't want to have a chance of losing points, you can do whatever you want to minimize the points loss, as there's already enough lynches on Charmaine for an assured lynch on her, assuming all town members follow the plan.

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well, I find it really odd that mimi being jailed stopped the nightkill twice. It could be the mafia is just taking odd risks, but I doubt it, as they'd probably realize the jailkeeper wouldn't protect the doc twice, which means I should probably be dead by now if they could have killed. Logically this means that mimi is probably the one who keeps doing the kills. She has indeed been very towny, which makes me wary too. As we know our 2 confirmed towns, ramona and me, weren't seen as being very towny. I have a general distrust towards people who seem very towny because there are people who are really good at faking town.

Because I can't get on before deadline again and I really don't know what else I could do I'm going to

Lynch Mimi F.

let's hope that either I'm wrong and nobody agrees with me or I'm right and everyone does agree with me, because those 2 tend to be kind of backwards with me.

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

well it does sort of make sense if it's mimi, as she lynched towa, which then made her and icarus look scummy. but seeing as icarus was scummier than her and was town, she'd be safe. At this point my protects don't change anything whatsoever, and I checked.

It's possible they didn't think you'd protect mimi multiple times but it's also possible that she's actually the mafia. At this point I wouldn't be surprised, and it would be kind of ironic because Towa said that me and mimi couldn't be on the same side, of course then she thought I was the mafia, not mimi. I do wanna know what mimi has to say about this though.

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

yeah I did protect you, but it's not guaranteed they'd try and attack me because of the WIFOM involved. Because there's not really any solid info we can get I don't think it's a good idea to nl.

As for Nanette and Natasha, you can still make reads without people being very active, especially for the one who just subbed because you can read through what happened, at the very least some of it.

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at this point I'm fine with an icarus lynch, and if at the last moment mimi comes to save him, then we'll be fairly certain they're a scumteam. simple as that. I don't really think it would be charmaine right now but I guess my scumradar is a bit off...

I get that you're salty natasha, but with all the shit Towa has been pulling lately it kind of made sense. She started the lynch on brodie because he was only answering the parts he wanted to answer, but then she did just that. She said a bunch of things that just weren't true, she wasn't even close. It just seemed so scummy and I honestly don't know why she thought she could say things that happened days ago without even looking at what happened, which she obviously didn't or she wouldn't have said the opposite of what actually happened. It made sense at the time, now it obviously doesn't anymore.

Icarus, I looked at your post of before deadline and to me it just seems weird that you obviously seem to care about whether you die or not, seeing as you got so annoyed and called me an "utter dunce", whatever that might mean, and you also said some other things which showed how annoyed you were. Yet you didn't go on someone else, while you could have easily justified going for one of the other people with a lynch on them. You could have easily gone for Nanette or Charmaine and people would agree that it's not suspicious, but then... if you'd done that mimi couldn't have shifted hammer to Towa, who was a bigger threat. This to me seems like the only reason you wouldn't just lynch someone else to save yourself, as you obviously do care about your own life.

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

oh woops I actually meant icarus and mimi in my earlier post, seeing as mimi is the one who lynched towa, I'm going to catch up on the things posted since but just wanted to say this before I forget.

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

I'm sorry about the towa lynch... I really was convinced it was her. I realize I went very tunnel vision on her but it didn't concern me at the time because so far every time I went tunnel on someone I was right, but nobody listened. This time people listened... but I wasn't right. Then there was deadline and something struck me as odd, Icarus didn't seem at all concerned whether he would die, and he didn't, because Charmaine saved him from that. It kind of looks like Icarus and Charmaine could be a scumteam, as Icarus doesn't seem like the type of guy to just not lynch anyone when it can save him.

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Towa Q. wrote:Alright Annie, since you're making me waste my time to deal with your crap before we can get back on track, I'll type a newspaper up just for you later tonight. Expect it in 6 hours or less.

honestly just look at this shit, to you guys this might not be very interesting, but it is to me. And you wanna know why? because this is the exact attitude I've had to deal with in every single psanon game I've played as town. And you wanna know who was giving off this attitude (though generally not as obvious as Towa)? A SCUM PLAYER WHO WAS CONVINCED EVERYONE SAW THEM AS TOWN EXCEPT ME.

Towa has the attitude of a scum player towards me, the attitude where they have to deal with my "bullshit" though they don't think it really matters because who would listen to me right? I'm just a stupid townie... except this time I'm not, so she has to do something about me. She has no choice but to deal with me because I am the doctor now, and I can get support for my ideas now. So please everyone, trust me. So far in psanon I haven't been wrong with my actual scumreads where I went so far as to lynch someone. So please, trust me, rather than towa's reads or anyone else's reads, give me this 1 chance to prove that I'm right, seeing as I'm at risk of getting nightkilled now. I don't believe icarus is scum, he seems to me like a townie that just doesn't have any ideas to contribute to the conversation, so all he can do is give readlists and defend himself. Charmaine to me doesn't seem very scummy either because I honestly don't know what you guys expect her to say about the lynch, "oh golly I screwed up, I am so sorry town I shouldn't have lynched this person"? Honestly, I would probably not say anything and just move on too if I had misslynched. So can we just lynch Towa today? She is a lot scummier than our other options.

About the protects for this night, I will protect the JK, that is certain. This means that it's a game of wifom between the JK and the mafia whether I'm safe or the JK + someone else are safe. Good luck.

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

Lynch towa

At this point I don't expect any cc's, which means 1 claim would have been WAY better. Why did you not even care to think about only 1 person claiming towa? I knew it would be better to have 1 claim but I went with this for information. There are No cc's, as makes sense. Why would scum care to cc at this point? Which leaves me to wonder, why did the Town want this? I came to the conclusion that towa the oh so townie person said it was a good idea, and everyone followed. Honestly the only towny thing about her at this point is het Lynch on Fernando, after that she Led us to 2 Bad lynches and I feel like she's leading us to a third. She also has used false information to make me look scummy 2/2 times. But let's assume for a moment she's the Town Leader, why did she think Both claiming would be good? Now the only way for me to survive risks the jk's Life. I think towa is actually Smart and wanted to know Both as she is mafia and knows they wont be cc'd. I think towa is Most definitely scum, Just like I knew Fernando was scum and our other 2 lynches weren't. So please Listen to me and Let me lead the Lynch Today, as so far towa has known 1/3 while I had guessed All the alignments correctly.

About claiming our protects, fuck that tactic of yours. If we're gonna risk our pr's we're gonna get the Most info out of it we can. We're not going to withold information from Town because scum can use it, we wouldn't with a cop either. So night 1: towa, night 2: I was too late for deadline so that was done by jk. Night 3: I can't Look it up Right now because I'm on phone.

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

actually towa, you wanted me first and icarus next, which leaves me to wonder what changed your mind to want icarus > me. Perhaps you realized it would be easier to get a lynch going on icarus?

by the way, your scumteam theory is bullshit as usual, seeing as you are using false facts, as usual. I wasn't against having both PR claims, I just said there was another option, and then in the next post said I actually do think both benefits us more.

anyways, I said I wanted to know your opinions, and it seems town has chosen for both PR's to claim, and in that method, I said it'd be more benificial for doc to claim first, so seeing as we're running out of time... I am the doctor.

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oh by the way, I actually really like our chances if we have both claim. Which would be with the doc first in the case that nobody cc's. Either way, if the jk for some reason decides to claim before we've decided this, we should go with the second method but if the doc for some reason decides to claim before we've decided we should go with the first method.

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

actually I'm not sure whether both should claim or just 1, I guess both would make it so they both have to risk their lives to cc, or they'll be left with a confirmed town, in that case we should have the doc claim first as they can then protect the jk while the jk can still go for a protect. the other way around would not be as benificial for town.

we could also have only the jk claim, to have less risk of losing both town pr's. If we misslynch and get the doctor that means jk is definitely dead, though it's possible he saves himself somehow, it's a gamble.

I want to know everyone's opinions on this, as both have their good and bad points.

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

you don't care enough about this game anymore to be active... okay then. Can you at least explain why you think some people are towny to you and why others are scummy to you? that would be great right now.

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

it's been 2 days and only Mimi and I have been posting.

now I'm going to quickly make a list of who was online for the last time at what day/time.

Towa: TODAY at 10:40 am, which begs the question, why didn't she say anything? why didn't she answer anything why didn't she defend herself against anything? is she a scum planning to just get rid of me tonight, and as such she won't have to answer my questions?

nanette: sunday

Haruno: thursday, hasn't been online for nearly a week.

Charmaine: YESTERDAY at 5:15 pm, this is just before my post. she may have just missed mimi's post asking opinions but still, she could have said something.

Icarus: TODAY at 4:54 pm, which means he has seen all the posts above mine. Why didn't he say anything?

mimi: has actually been trying to keep things active

Annie: (me) has sort of been trying the same thing, just with less effort seeing as people wouldn't do anything anyways if mimi's thing didn't work

Natasha: TODAY at 1:31 am. which is just before the post above this one. Why didn't you say anything?

Ramona: sunday.

Gurkinn: sunday.

There's 3 people who were on today, yet haven't posted anything in AT LEAST 2 days. there's also 1 person who was on yesterday and may or may not have seen mimi's post asking questions, but either way they didn't post. This is honestly shocking, I know psanon tends to die out when it comes to activity but usually not this much. This is 2 days in which 4 people have been lurking, 2 people have been asking them to be active and say something, and the rest of the game just didn't come on.

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

I don't like the way gurkinn is acting right now, I guess giving her some time to catch up and read would be best, maybe she'll actually have something useful to say after that, but if she doesn't... well... even if she isn't scum, if that happens she's useless either way.

As you can see I'm currently lynching Towa, and I'm not planning on moving that lynch anytime soon, seeing as this is the second time she's responded to only parts of my posts. With her being so inactive compared to other days, I feel like she might be a scum laying low after having lead town to lynch another town. Besides that she's just really annoying the shit out of me, which is also a reason why I'm not changing my lynch.

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

About the whole "who should JK target" thing, target towny people, town leaders. It is possible that the doctor is a very active person, which obviously wouldn't be very smart of the doctor, seeing as it gives a risk of nightkill. It is still possible though, so the JK should be protecting important people as it's possible the person is a doctor and as such can't be protected by the doctor, themselves.

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

I couldn't get on these past 2 days so I wasn't able to respond to anything before deadline.

Towa for f***'s sake, respond to my WHOLE damned post. Not just the parts that you would like responding to. Why the f*** can't Mimi and I be of the same faction? You definitely said that at some point and I asked for an explanation, seeing as you haven't given one I am now demanding one. Explain. If you don't think I'm serious... Lynch Towa

Towa Q. wrote:In case I die tonight, I will say I am starting to have second thoughts about the Annie lynch but I still want to lynch Brodie. I would love to see where Annie puts her lynch tonight, as lynches are the truest tell of what we are thinking. Annie, I did look back and see that Brodie did respond to everything you had to say, but it still felt weird to me when I looked it over.

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Annie, maybe I was a little too into my Annie/Brodie scumteam theory, but I am starting to see you and Charmaine as both a little more town-y. I would like to know where you do stand on Brodie, though. You've not made a lynch or really given too many thoughts on him, so I am trusting that if I were to die tonight, that Mimi will be able to figure out your alignment for sure. As of now, she is my top town read and my other reads still stand with you as slightly less scummy until I see your thoughts and also I hope, a lynch.

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If lynches are the truest tell of what people think, then my lynch should tell you at least something about how annoyed I'm getting at your ability to avoid questions. Either way, is everyone just going to ignore that Towa decided to tell everyone Brodie responded to every part of Mimi's post except for mine, without even checking if that was true or not? because that's what Towa did. And now you've checked and what do you do? you say it's still bothering you, which to me sounds like "It's a fact that I was wrong, but I'm not going to admit I was completely wrong". You could, I don't know, apologize for giving fake information? just an idea.

I haven't actually made a lynch day 1 either, because Fernando was going to be dead anyways, there was no point. I haven't made a lynch day 2 either, because I wasn't there to respond to you before deadline, nor did I feel like Brodie was a very good lynch option. I just didn't know a better option than brodie, seeing as he'd gone inactive. I have made a lynch day 3 now, for various reasons which I'll explain once you explain why the f*** me and mimi can't be of the same alignment.

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

Mimi F. wrote:

Annie F. wrote:Mimi: has made several posts and has the read list above which is huge, but the read list is bothering me. I just don't get some of the reads, you seem to be ignoring things like how nanette's "newspaper post" is actually mostly just quotes, and you also seem to be ignoring some of the "newspaper posts" from other people that have a similar or higher amount of content put in by themselves. slight scum read because of her odd and somewhat unexplained reads

Most of my reads on Nanette came from her response to those quotes in that large post.  I also don't perfectly understand the terminology sometimes.  I've always considered a post where someone just puts a bunch of his/her own opinions in without adding any quotes a wall post, and a post dissecting a bunch of quotes as a newspaper, sorry if I confused you by calling Nanette's post a newspaper.  I'm interested in what other larger posts I ignored, I'd be happy to address them.

well it's not that you've actually ignored the posts themselves, it's just that you don't mention some of the big posts people have made, like how I've made several big posts but you don't mention it, can't think of anyone else right now.

Towa Q. wrote:
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Annie F- Part of what makes me think of you as a scumread is all of your interacts with Brodie. There was also a post made by Mimi on Page 3, and while Brodie addressed most of it, he never gave opinions on you. Him being my scumread and Mimi being a townread makes me think of you as scum. I do not think Mimi and Annie are of the same faction. Part of the reason I want to lynch Brodie is because his flip will be the deciding factor for what you are to me. It seemed like Brodie was trying to seem town and buddy with you while you tried to force him away by looking like you opposed him. The thing that confuses me is your interactions with Charmaine. I can see you as a scumteam with Brodie, but I also scumread Charmaine, and with only two maf, I need to see Brodie flip soon. (This is also a shout out to Prof Ic. I feel I can get a better read on you with a Brodie flip). Scumread.

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Lynch order (how I would like it)

1:Brodie
2 (conditional): Annie (if Brodie is scum/mimi is town, otherwise if Brodie is town, then no to her second)
2(conditional): Charmaine (second only after brodie flip/annie conditions)
3: Nanette

Well at least you answered, but I'm honestly baffled by your explanation. I'm not sure what you want me to say about this, yeah brodie did see me as towny, but I'm pretty sure other people did too, or maybe they never said it out loud. I also want to point out that he actually only said his opinion of me because Mimi asked him. Also, about the "looking like you opposed him", what makes you think I am not actually opposing him? I pointed out to everyone how little content there is in his posts, I pointed out to everyone that he was using needlessly large words, tell me how that is faked. Because if I hadn't pointed it out, at least for the first one I don't think anyone would have.

I looked at page 3, he actually ONLY responded to parts that were about ME. You literally flipped that whole thing around and I'm beginning to feel like you're just looking for things to make me look scummier, as you seem to be tunnelling on your theory of "if brodie is mafia, annie is the second, if he's not charmaine is mafia"

Can you PLEASE explain why I and Mimi can not be of the same faction? Because I honestly don't know why, so just be clear on the WHOLE story as to why you think I'm scummy.

As for your lynch conditions, it looks like a Brodie lynch is going to happen either way, but are you seriously planning on going after me if Brodie is mafia? Because I feel like you need to think this through.

Charmaine U. wrote:
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Annie - very hostile against me on my call out of towa and then makes a post right after calling out towa (lol). Seems to have fought brodie too, though her hostile attitude makes me think shes town because mafia would be sucking towns dick. - town

fyi, I was only "hostile" towards you because of 1. the way you read it probably makes it seem more hostile than it's meant and 2. I don't care how annoying or stupid someone seems to you, you don't call them a retard. You also don't just direct that at them, if you really want to rant about how stupid someone seems to you, rant to someone who isn't that person.

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

you know, I'm starting to get a little annoyed with you Towa. You said that you'd give a big reads list and explain why you think I might be a scumteam with brodie, but so far you haven't. In fact, you just made a post in which you're basically saying that you aren't going to do it because there's only 2 people you are scumreading so you don't see it as worth it, even though a readlist isn't just about the scummy reads. it's also about the towny reads, so that if you die and we figure out what your role was, we know who you trusted.

I asked you to explain why you thought I could be a scumteam with brodie, but you haven't answered. You just said you'd explain later, and now you're saying you aren't going to explain anything, you're avoiding my question. Wasn't it you that got annoyed at Brodie and later Charmaine for ignoring a part of your post? for ignoring your question? Yet here you are, doing exactly the same thing.

Just because you don't have much new to add doesn't mean you don't have to explain the things you said in the past, I'm pretty sure we've explained that enough.

I'm starting to get annoyed, and I'm starting to see you less and less as town the longer it takes you to answer a damned question. 2 days is already too long, and it's probably gonna be 3.

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

Because we're doing readlists, I'm gonna do a small one as I don't have time to look through all the posts again

Brodie: well I think everyone knows I don't really trust him a whole lot, but he could just be a townie with an odd playstyle. neutral, leaning scum

Towa: she got a lynch started on Fernando, so I doubt she's scum. Though not great at explaining her tactics and points, does have good ones. Leaning town

Nanette: hasn't actually said a lot or brought in a lot of new information. Since the beginning only has 4 posts, granted one is a wall post, but almost all of that is actually quoting other people. Her own content total is probably a lot smaller than Mimi's readlist above. Leaning scum

Haruno: literally the only thing you said is a barely comprehensible post made on your phone. oh and one saying that you hope we understand it. I'd love to actually see some more posts from you. Leaning scum because of lack of posts to analyze

Charmaine: okay so there's a post saying "you guys are active", there's a post saying "fernando switching lynches faster than something fast" and then there's 3 posts in which literally all you did was call towa an idiot. Without good reason, mind you. You seem awfully focused on towa, if there was a lyncher in this game I'd definitely think it was you. very scummy

Icarus: While there's not many posts, the posts do have content and he's promised a big post, so until then he's neutral just one thing, why exactly can't hypo work if you say it? because I can think of literally no reason why it shouldn't.

Mimi: has made several posts and has the read list above which is huge, but the read list is bothering me. I just don't get some of the reads, you seem to be ignoring things like how nanette's "newspaper post" is actually mostly just quotes, and you also seem to be ignoring some of the "newspaper posts" from other people that have a similar or higher ammount of content put in by themselves. slight scum read because of her odd and somewhat unexplained reads

Annie: me, of course. I'm just gonna say something about mimi's read on me, I didn't attack every one of brodie's wall posts, I never attack people, I state odd and scummy things about their playstyles or posts. I didn't point out each post individually either, I just mentioned his style in general. And yes I responded to Charmaine with something that could be seen as agression, I got a tad bit pissed off at her calling someone a retard for no apparent reason and ignoring everything else. She even tried to take the credit for what towa started against fernando. Yes I got a tad bit pissed off, but I controlled myself and explained why she was wrong in a calm way, if that looked agressive to you, I guess that's just the way you read my text. I did say I forgot most of what I read, but I always remember the general idea of what happens.

Natasha: Low activity, not a lot of actual content to her posts, they just look longer because of spaces in between points. Btw, you said you need reasons for everything, but I'm gonna say right now, sometimes I'll have a reason for something, and I'll explain it, but everyone'll think it's just a dumb reason or it's just something really small, I am in fact right a lot of the time when that happens. You don't always need a good reason for something, at least not one that is good according to other people. You do need one to convince the others and actually do something with it though. Either way, you don't actually say a lot, I'd like more activity here. neutral

Ramona: just one post, though it does clearly state his opinion on the matters that were important at the time. somewhat scummy

Gurkinn: Literally hasn't done anything other than say the game is going smooth and claim VT. Honestly if you think the game is going so smooth then you could help us out here to make it go even smoother. So why don't you? I'd like to at least have an explanation, as this is the same type of evasive behaviour Fernando had. fairly scummy

that's a bit longer than I expected it to become... ah well, here it is.

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

Charmaine U. wrote:

Towa Q. wrote:

Charmaine U:

Charmaine, you have 5 posts. 1 is your confirmation, 1 is filler that adds nothing to the game, 1 is just a reply to my quote, but again adds no info to the game.

Charmaine U. wrote:fernando switching lynches faster than something fast

Charmaine U. wrote:blah blah blah giant wall posts of 90% filler and throwing out terms to make you seem like you know whats up. You people need to actually think instead of seeing a giant wall post and going omg town. Towa is still scummy, did you even read her reads?

I was the first person to call out fernando on his scumminess. glad some people actually listened? also nice of natashia to jump lynches too it seems.

Your "being the first person to call out fernando" was just you saying he switched his lynch fast. You did not call him scummy nor did you add anything of value to your post. The only time you've made a post since then is after I called you out as being a scumread, even though you were active before that.

As for my giant post being "filler", I addressed everything I felt was important and explained my thoughts on the game. If you would like to point out exactly what parts are filler in my post, please do. Maybe it will help us to understand what you're thinking, because your other posts have done nothing to help us.

You continue to be my scumread, and I would like your defense as to why you are not scummy.

tbh, when i saw this post, i moved you from scum to retard. Can you not read into a post at all? why would i post that hes changing lynches fast besides to hl how scummy it is? How can you possibly scum hunt if you cant read the message of a fucking simple post like that? I didnt see the post that you said i was scummy before i posted, i read the one where you only included like 6 people and gave 0 info. You are clogging the thread with stupid posts. Though you did change lynch to fernando with a hour left in the day when he was already gonna be lynched which could mean your his partner and jumping to bus him to seem clean but then again, fernando jumped on your lynch.

how about you calm the fuck down buddy? if I recall correctly towa is actually the one who STARTED the whole "lynching fernando is better right now" thingy, so you're just looking for something that isn't there. yes it's technically possible it's a bus but then again, who the fuck decides to have town lynch your partner instead of you when there's plenty of other options? And something the mafia definitely wouldn't want to do is switch an hour before deadline as they know it's their mafia partner so they'll lose points AND look scummy to people like you.

As for the thing where they didn't read into your post being to call fernando out, they did. They just decided that it wasn't a big enough call out to say you started the whole fernando thing, because it wasn't. You just stated he switched lynches fast, and yes that's a somewhat scummy thing to do, but it's not what started people getting suspicious about fernando, that was Towa.

I recall Towa saying something about fernando, someone and brodie being scummy, and I agree that brodie is somewhat scummy and obviously fernando was scum. I'm just curious about one thing though, you mentioned that I might be a scumteam with brodie, but I don't get why you'd think that. I am the one who first mentioned that the way brodie talks actually makes his posts bigger than they need to be and make him seem more towny, so why do you think I'd be a scumteam with him?

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I'm not going to make a huge post or anything atm because I'm so tired that it took me 20 minutes to catch up with reading, and I've forgotten most of it. I am going to say though, that I agree on Fernando looking scummy and don't think Towa is very scummy. As for my other reads, there's not much right now other than that I think brodie is an annoying little shit every once in a while, and delilah is half a shitposter but covers it up with some big posts.

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

Fernando T. wrote:Would like to see more activity from Gurkinn Haruno Chermaine and Ramona
Prod

you know, if you're gonna ask for people to be more active you should probably be posting a little more yourself. Sure you have made several posts, but they were all pretty tiny and just agreeing or disagreeing on shit.

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

Nanette B. wrote:
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Reading this, I think JK should claim later down the road, but only if he has found something or it's important. I do not think him claiming day one is a good idea though. Mafia have a relatively low chance of hitting him first anyway so I think it's fine to hide out. Also, the room played a game of this, to y'know, have some practice, and the doc was lynched day one and the JK was hypoed. However, as we all know, hypoing doesn't always work out very well, especially in the anon games. (Jungle republic) Scum ended up winning this game, so lets try to avoid this route as much as possible. 

Annie F. wrote:

Brodie S. wrote:

Annie F. wrote:Are we still talking about the asking people to claim VT thing? because no matter who you ask, they should be claiming VT. that's common sense.

What do you believe, and why do you believe it?
For a VT claim to have meaning, it must mean something. Literally everybody claims VT in this setup, except maybe JK or stupid early fake-claiming mafia.
If you're going to run a test, it has to differentiate between two different possible outcomes. Otherwise it's like saying "I painted the Christmas tree red, and it doesn't clash with the wall, so therefore we ought to legalize cyanide." Whether or not a red Christmas tree actually does or does not clash with the color of the wall has absolutely no bearing on the argument we actually care about.
Same thing with claiming VT. We have no new information, the test tells us nothing. "Annie claimed VT, so therefore she's...?"

I honestly don't get the point of this post, because to me it seems like you've basically taken my post and put an awfully long explainer after it so that even retarded people will understand my point. A simple "yeah you can't say anything about the claim if everyone claims VT" would have had the same meaning and less words. This just makes you look smarter, it makes you look more towny.

You have made some good points, but for some reason you feel the need to put awfully long explainers in it, which honestly doesn't make me very inclined to trust you, seeing as a reason to be doing this, again, could be because it makes you look more towny.

I'm not going to quote your huge post because it's huge, but I will respond to it. You, once again, give a huge explainer as to why you think JK should claim, but consider this: the doctor is actually more likely to stop protecting the JK for a cheeky wifom because it's not their OWN life on the line. To them it's actually not as bad if the JK dies as it would be if they themselves were to die. If they themselves die, that's it. It's game over for them, if the JK dies that sucks, but they're still in the game. They'll take more risks with other people's lives than with their own.

Of course you might be right and the doctor won't take risks, that depends on the kind of person they are. So if the JK wants to claim, they can, but they might still be risking their life, as the doctor might risk it for them.

Read above about how the doc died and scum won. Might not be the same in every one, but it's definitely a large handicap for town. We all know that there is a shit ton of Wifom involved with the claiming of doc/JK, so let's stop commenting since I think each and every one of us can think it up in our heads and it's already been said before. 
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The way you tell me to read above makes it look like that's something I could have seen before I made the post, just saying.
Of course there's wifom involved, but if I hadn't mentioned this part of the wifom involved, Brodie would still be thinking it's a good idea to have JK claim, so why are you saying we can all think it up in our heads and it's been said before? because by me saying the above, I brought up something Brodie hadn't read or thought about before, so neither of those statements are true. Why do you want to stop this discussion?

Brodie, I agree with whoever it was that said the big words are annoying and unnecessary. It's once again something that I could see the mafia using as a tactic to seem smarter and as such more town-like. It's not helping.

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

Brodie S. wrote:

Annie F. wrote:Are we still talking about the asking people to claim VT thing? because no matter who you ask, they should be claiming VT. that's common sense.

What do you believe, and why do you believe it?
For a VT claim to have meaning, it must mean something. Literally everybody claims VT in this setup, except maybe JK or stupid early fake-claiming mafia.
If you're going to run a test, it has to differentiate between two different possible outcomes. Otherwise it's like saying "I painted the Christmas tree red, and it doesn't clash with the wall, so therefore we ought to legalize cyanide." Whether or not a red Christmas tree actually does or does not clash with the color of the wall has absolutely no bearing on the argument we actually care about.
Same thing with claiming VT. We have no new information, the test tells us nothing. "Annie claimed VT, so therefore she's...?"

I honestly don't get the point of this post, because to me it seems like you've basically taken my post and put an awfully long explainer after it so that even retarded people will understand my point. A simple "yeah you can't say anything about the claim if everyone claims VT" would have had the same meaning and less words. This just makes you look smarter, it makes you look more towny.

You have made some good points, but for some reason you feel the need to put awfully long explainers in it, which honestly doesn't make me very inclined to trust you, seeing as a reason to be doing this, again, could be because it makes you look more towny.

I'm not going to quote your huge post because it's huge, but I will respond to it. You, once again, give a huge explainer as to why you think JK should claim, but consider this: the doctor is actually more likely to stop protecting the JK for a cheeky wifom because it's not their OWN life on the line. To them it's actually not as bad if the JK dies as it would be if they themselves were to die. If they themselves die, that's it. It's game over for them, if the JK dies that sucks, but they're still in the game. They'll take more risks with other people's lives than with their own.

Of course you might be right and the doctor won't take risks, that depends on the kind of person they are. So if the JK wants to claim, they can, but they might still be risking their life, as the doctor might risk it for them.