Game 35: Vengecop

Orthinol Q. wrote:Are angleshoots allowed?

Nope.

F

Orthinol Q. wrote:

Frank S. wrote:townpool: frank/keenan/nanny/tedesco/santo

I think i'm right on all of these. if we only inspect in the below group, I believe we win the game?
Would like to know your guys' thoughts.

Gail S.
Ian P.
Jean A.
Oralie O.
Orthinol Q.
Ricky M.

I think this post is a bad look btw, in this set up you shouldn't give scum info as to who might be copped. Trying to control who is copped is also very beneficial to scum. If Frank flips scum we know at least one other scum is in the town pool he listed here though I think?

+1 this.

Ian are you saying Orthinol is town

Ian are you saying Orthinol is town

Nanny G. wrote:Ian are you saying Orthinol is town

No. Specifically what they said about Frank and his townpool including one scum member if he is scum.

Nanny G. wrote:Frank and me are autocleared. Last mafias are probably in the AFKs or they wouldve moved the lynch.  

Vote Ricky M

im not necessarily clear fwiw

orthinol/oralie/gail scumteam is possible (i'm actually thinking this is the case, although i'm iffy on orthinol) and I can elaborate on why a bit later.
im still fine with lynching outside of my townpool, it wins us the game 99% of the time i'd say
keenan needs to get his ass in here though

if you read gail town for oralie being lynched i'm going to scream at you both now and in postgame
SHE NEVER LYNCHED ORALIE EVEN THOUGH SHE SCUMREAD HER, SHE DOES NOT GET TOWNCRED FOR THAT LYNCH
entirely possible that gail decided to lightly bus oralie and then orthinol followed it up with "do you think scum will bus this game"

thats actually the gist of that scumteam existing not gonna lie LOL

I think oralie just never came online after promising to post so they couldnt shift

I can and will elaborate on this a bit later though

@Frank
I can honestly say that it is 100% my fault for not seeing the deadline. However, I will stand by the fact that I never advocate for an early lynch in the day, apart from RVS.

I know that the situation is too perfect and your explanation is perfectly logical, but this is just wrong place at the wrong time. I will point out some reasoning here:

1) If you think Oralie and Orthinol are a scum team, why do you think Oralie would put a second lynch on Orthinol? That to me seems very risky, considering that Oralie probably know that she won't be too active.

2) I brought up Oralie because I legit thought she was scummy. I have many experiences dealing with a town mediator like her. Yes, the fact I did not lynch her mutes my point considerably. However, I can assure you that it is an honest mistake in my part that I did not see the deadline. There was no reason, as both town or mafia, to not put a lynch Oralie at the end there as it gains town cred.

I know you must think you have this game all figured out, but I can tell you that you don't. So here are some questions I would like to ask you:

Let's say Orthinol or I was lynched today. They flip town, and inspect the other as town. What will you do from here?

This situation is just bad timing, and I would hate it for this to diminish my thoughts and contribution to the game. If town does not believe me, I am willing to be inspected to prove my innocence and pure intentions. My reads are as true as my heart is pure.

Hi guys

Orthinol Q. wrote:Nanny and Gail town, Frank I'm still kinda unhappy with day 1 but he looks better day 2. There's better lynches anyways for sure, I agree we need to kinds focus on the inactives but it's just kinda rand? Should we all just sheep onto the same one or what? Clearing them with cop also would be very helpful if there's any town deaths, stop us mislynching the spots we have no info on.

Why are Nanny and Gail town? I'd just like to hear the reasoning behind this.

Talking about your later post, I agree that Frank's town/mafia read post seemed scummy and your reasoning for that made sense to me however I'm finding it hard to believe that anyone would buss this early in the game in this setup. I'll definitely revisit Frank as scum again later if need be but right now it doesn't seem likely in my head nor does it seem like a good lynch even if he's town.

I also don't think all three mafia are inactive because theres no way the game would progress, but atleast one other inactive is definitely a possibility.

In my opinion we need to lynch someone who is active enough to at least check the posts even if they are not posting themselves. That way if they are town we can still come up with who we want to clear/expose. Lynching a complete inactive might not be the best way to go about today.

Jean A. wrote:Hi guys

Hola Jean

...ok I realized I'm an entire day late. Pretend I was here yesterday please.
I've skimmed through thread, but I probably wont get around to content posting until much later today.
How are people making these "bus" assertions when we've only had townflips?

Tedesco T. wrote:

Orthinol Q. wrote:Nanny and Gail town, Frank I'm still kinda unhappy with day 1 but he looks better day 2. There's better lynches anyways for sure, I agree we need to kinds focus on the inactives but it's just kinda rand? Should we all just sheep onto the same one or what? Clearing them with cop also would be very helpful if there's any town deaths, stop us mislynching the spots we have no info on.

Why are Nanny and Gail town? I'd just like to hear the reasoning behind this.

Talking about your later post, I agree that Frank's town/mafia read post seemed scummy and your reasoning for that made sense to me however I'm finding it hard to believe that anyone would buss this early in the game in this setup. I'll definitely revisit Frank as scum again later if need be but right now it doesn't seem likely in my head nor does it seem like a good lynch even if he's town.

I also don't think all three mafia are inactive because theres no way the game would progress, but atleast one other inactive is definitely a possibility.

In my opinion we need to lynch someone who is active enough to at least check the posts even if they are not posting themselves. That way if they are town we can still come up with who we want to clear/expose. Lynching a complete inactive might not be the best way to go about today.

Seem to be 2 of the most active players keeping the game flowing and I have seen no scum motives amongst their posts. I highly doubt in a game this inactive that scum game solve like they are and try keep the game progressing.

Point 2 bussing is best to do early game rather than later so that you can distance yourself from your partner early and people will not consider you a scum team then? I agree though hes not the lynch rn and should be revisited later after we have sorted some of the inactive slots.

You may be right but I think there has to be at least one inactive scum, of the game is dead 2 scum arent going to be posting a lot and trying to revive it.

Tedesco T. wrote:

Orthinol Q. wrote:Nanny and Gail town, Frank I'm still kinda unhappy with day 1 but he looks better day 2. There's better lynches anyways for sure, I agree we need to kinds focus on the inactives but it's just kinda rand? Should we all just sheep onto the same one or what? Clearing them with cop also would be very helpful if there's any town deaths, stop us mislynching the spots we have no info on.

Why are Nanny and Gail town? I'd just like to hear the reasoning behind this.

Talking about your later post, I agree that Frank's town/mafia read post seemed scummy and your reasoning for that made sense to me however I'm finding it hard to believe that anyone would buss this early in the game in this setup. I'll definitely revisit Frank as scum again later if need be but right now it doesn't seem likely in my head nor does it seem like a good lynch even if he's town.

I also don't think all three mafia are inactive because theres no way the game would progress, but atleast one other inactive is definitely a possibility.

In my opinion we need to lynch someone who is active enough to at least check the posts even if they are not posting themselves. That way if they are town we can still come up with who we want to clear/expose. Lynching a complete inactive might not be the best way to go about today.

Seem to be 2 of the most active players keeping the game flowing and I have seen no scum motives amongst their posts. I highly doubt in a game this inactive that scum game solve like they are and try keep the game progressing.

Point 2 bussing is best to do early game rather than later so that you can distance yourself from your partner early and people will not consider you a scum team then? I agree though hes not the lynch rn and should be revisited later after we have sorted some of the inactive slots.

You may be right but I think there has to be at least one inactive scum, of the game is dead 2 scum arent going to be posting a lot and trying to revive it.

Jean A. wrote:...ok I realized I'm an entire day late. Pretend I was here yesterday please.
I've skimmed through thread, but I probably wont get around to content posting until much later today.
How are people making these "bus" assertions when we've only had townflips?

It was less an assertion and more questioning, but we have had a scum flip now, it was oralie?

Tedesco if you dont know why Im confirmed town I recommend rereading

Oh wait I was a sub in. OK this makes a lot more sense now, I thought I somehow missed and entire games worth of stuff.

Going to start analyzing once my dumb computer starts up.

10 pages for a 3 day game seems rather small, I'm willing to bet thread leaders are town since scum just lets thread die now from my experience.

I'm going to reread thread properly now that my computer is ready and maybe do some VCA if activity allows

Nanny G. wrote:Frank and me are autocleared. Last mafias are probably in the AFKs or they wouldve moved the lynch.  

Vote Ricky M

Nanny G. wrote:Tedesco if you dont know why Im confirmed town I recommend rereading

I reread, but I still don't get your logic, nor understand why you/Frank are cleared. I do townread Frank, but I don't understand why he's "autocleared" as per your claim.

Gail S. wrote:@Frank
I can honestly say that it is 100% my fault for not seeing the deadline. However, I will stand by the fact that I never advocate for an early lynch in the day, apart from RVS.

I know that the situation is too perfect and your explanation is perfectly logical, but this is just wrong place at the wrong time. I will point out some reasoning here:

1) If you think Oralie and Orthinol are a scum team, why do you think Oralie would put a second lynch on Orthinol? That to me seems very risky, considering that Oralie probably know that she won't be too active.

2) I brought up Oralie because I legit thought she was scummy. I have many experiences dealing with a town mediator like her. Yes, the fact I did not lynch her mutes my point considerably. However, I can assure you that it is an honest mistake in my part that I did not see the deadline. There was no reason, as both town or mafia, to not put a lynch Oralie at the end there as it gains town cred.

I know you must think you have this game all figured out, but I can tell you that you don't. So here are some questions I would like to ask you:

Let's say Orthinol or I was lynched today. They flip town, and inspect the other as town. What will you do from here?

This situation is just bad timing, and I would hate it for this to diminish my thoughts and contribution to the game. If town does not believe me, I am willing to be inspected to prove my innocence and pure intentions. My reads are as true as my heart is pure.

Last paragraph pings me super hard. Why does Town go "inspect me I'll prove I'm town"? You know you're an active slot, and you know you're town. You also know that if an inspect is used on you, that's one less inspect to go around for checking the actually ambiguous slots that needs the inspect. There is less +EV to Town in knowing that you're Town as opposed to someone else, like the slots currently contested.

Then why didn't you put the vote on Oralie once you scumread them? It doesn't appear like you had anything else to do with your vote, and game was neither active nor dumb enough to hammer early as you feared. You even state in your own point that there's no reason not to put a vote onto Oralie at the end, and if you're so concerned about proving you're town, why didn't you just plonk the vote there to begin with?

You've been pretty towny for most of the game, but this post just puts the idea of you being a potential power scum in my mind.


Going to do some VCA now

ajhockeystar wrote:Votecount 1.1
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Ricky M.(1)- Kain R.
Gail S.(1)- Orthinol Q.
Orthinol Q.(1)- Tedesco T.
Keenan M.(1)- Santo C.
Tedesco T.(1)- Nanny G.
Frank S.(1)- Lindsay L.
Ian P.(0)-
Jean A.(0)-
Kain R.(0)-
Lindsay L.(0)-
Nanny G..(0)-
Oralie O.(0)-
Santo C.(0)-
Not Voting(7)- Frank S., Gail S., Ian P., Jean A., Keenan M., Oralie O., Ricky M.
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There are 13 alive so it takes 7 to hammer. Plurality applies.
Deadline is Wednesday the 27th at 9pm EST.

If the deadline was now, Ricky M. would be lynched.

ajhockeystar wrote:Votecount 1.2
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Gail S.(2)- Orthinol Q., Frank S.
Orthinol Q.(2)- Tedesco T., Oralie O.
Ricky M.(1)- Kain R.
Keenan M.(1)- Santo C.
Tedesco T.(1)- Nanny G.
Frank S.(1)- Lindsay L.
Jean A.(1)- Gail S.
Lindsay L.(1)- Keenan M.
Ian P.(0)-
Kain R.(0)-
Nanny G..(0)-
Oralie O.(0)-
Santo C.(0)-
Not Voting(3)- Ian P., Jean A., Ricky M.
******************************
There are 13 alive so it takes 7 to hammer. Plurality applies.
Deadline is Wednesday the 27th at 9pm EST.

If the deadline was now, Gail S. would be lynched.

ajhockeystar wrote:Votecount 1.3
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Gail S.(3)- Orthinol Q., Frank S., Lindsay L.
Orthinol Q.(2)- Tedesco T., Oralie O.
Keenan M.(1)- Santo C.
Tedesco T.(1)- Nanny G.
Jean A.(1)- Gail S.
Lindsay L.(1)- Keenan M.
Santo C.(1)- Kain R.
Frank S.(0)-
Ricky M.(0)-
Ian P.(0)-
Kain R.(0)-
Nanny G..(0)-
Oralie O.(0)-
Not Voting(3)- Ian P., Jean A., Ricky M.
******************************
There are 13 alive so it takes 7 to hammer. Plurality applies.
Deadline is Wednesday the 27th at 9pm EST.

If the deadline was now, Gail S. would be lynched.

ajhockeystar wrote:Votecount 1.4
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Orthinol Q.(2)- Tedesco T., Oralie O.
Kain R.(2)- Lindsay L., Keenan M.
Lindsay L.(1)- Frank S.
Gail S.(1)- Orthinol Q.
Keenan M.(1)- Santo C.
Tedesco T.(1)- Nanny G.
Jean A.(1)- Gail S.
Santo C.(1)- Kain R.
Frank S.(0)-
Ricky M.(0)-
Ian P.(0)-
Nanny G..(0)-
Oralie O.(0)-
Not Voting(3)- Ian P., Jean A., Ricky M.
******************************
There are 13 alive so it takes 7 to hammer. Plurality applies.
Deadline is Wednesday the 27th at 9pm EST.

If the deadline was now, Orthinol Q. would be lynched.

ajhockeystar wrote:Votecount 1.5
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Kain R.(3)- Lindsay L., Keenan M., Gail S.
Orthinol Q.(2)- Tedesco T., Oralie O.
Lindsay L.(1)- Frank S.
Gail S.(1)- Orthinol Q.
Keenan M.(1)- Santo C.
Tedesco T.(1)- Nanny G.
Santo C.(1)- Kain R.
Jean A.(0)-
Frank S.(0)-
Ricky M.(0)-
Ian P.(0)-
Nanny G..(0)-
Oralie O.(0)-
Not Voting(3)- Ian P., Jean A., Ricky M.
******************************
There are 13 alive so it takes 7 to hammer. Plurality applies.
Deadline is Wednesday the 27th at 9pm EST.

Kain R. was lynched.

he was the...:

Night 1 Commence! Deadline is the 28th at 9pm EST.

ajhockeystar wrote:Votecount 2.1
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Oralie O.(2)- Nanny G., Frank S.
Frank S.(1)- Orthinol Q.
Nanny G.(1)- Santo C.
Orthinol Q.(0)-
Gail S.(0)-
Keenan M.(0)-
Tedesco T.(0)-
Santo C.(0)-
Jean A.(0)-
Ricky M.(0)-
Ian P.(0)-
Not Voting(7)- Ian P., Jean A., Ricky M., Keenan M., Gail S., Tedesco T., Oralie O.
******************************
There are 11 alive so it takes 6 to hammer. Plurality applies.
Deadline is Sunday the 3rd at 9pm EST.

If the deadline was now, Oralie O. would be lynched.

ajhockeystar wrote:Votecount 2.2
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Oralie O.(2)- Nanny G., Frank S.
Frank S.(1)- Orthinol Q.
Keenan M.(1)- Santo C.
Nanny G.(0)-
Orthinol Q.(0)-
Gail S.(0)-
Tedesco T.(0)-
Santo C.(0)-
Jean A.(0)-
Ricky M.(0)-
Ian P.(0)-
Not Voting(7)- Ian P., Jean A., Ricky M., Keenan M., Gail S., Tedesco T., Oralie O.
******************************
There are 11 alive so it takes 6 to hammer. Plurality applies.
Deadline is Sunday the 3rd at 9pm EST.

If the deadline was now, Oralie O. would be lynched.

ajhockeystar wrote:Votecount 2.3
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Oralie O.(2)- Nanny G., Frank S.
Frank S.(1)- Orthinol Q.
Keenan M.(1)- Santo C.
Nanny G.(0)-
Orthinol Q.(0)-
Gail S.(0)-
Tedesco T.(0)-
Santo C.(0)-
Jean A.(0)-
Ricky M.(0)-
Ian P.(0)-
Not Voting(7)- Ian P., Jean A., Ricky M., Keenan M., Gail S., Tedesco T., Oralie O.
******************************
There are 11 alive so it takes 6 to hammer. Plurality applies.
Deadline is Sunday the 3rd at 9pm EST.

Oralie O. was lynched.

she was the...:

Night 2 Commence! Deadline is the 4th at 9pm EST.

Frank is probably Town based off the bandwagon onto Oralie, they weren't in danger then and he was the one who put them under plurality. Nanny gets a good look too, but their posts rub me the wrong way.

Orthinol is likely to be Town, Oralie didn't have to risk them getting steam when they could have vanity wagon-ed or even jumped onto Kain. Plus, I like Orthinol's content so far.

Gail's mega abstinence to vote has a similar kinda vibe to Oralie's indecisiveness, while they are active and provides conclusions and insight, their vote feels weak for being the only power townies in this theme have prior to death.

Santo is just kinda.... dead parked on Keenan.

I know this site has a huge thing against lurker lynching for whatever the hell reason, but I think trimming out a few lurkers is the optimal thing to do here, probably one who does post but barely has meaningful content. That way we'll either off a scum trying to kill thread or a townie whose only use is their death inspect.

Vote Ricky M.

Gonna sheep this for now.

Gail S. wrote:@Frank
I can honestly say that it is 100% my fault for not seeing the deadline. However, I will stand by the fact that I never advocate for an early lynch in the day, apart from RVS.

I know that the situation is too perfect and your explanation is perfectly logical, but this is just wrong place at the wrong time. I will point out some reasoning here:

1) If you think Oralie and Orthinol are a scum team, why do you think Oralie would put a second lynch on Orthinol? That to me seems very risky, considering that Oralie probably know that she won't be too active.

2) I brought up Oralie because I legit thought she was scummy. I have many experiences dealing with a town mediator like her. Yes, the fact I did not lynch her mutes my point considerably. However, I can assure you that it is an honest mistake in my part that I did not see the deadline. There was no reason, as both town or mafia, to not put a lynch Oralie at the end there as it gains town cred.

I know you must think you have this game all figured out, but I can tell you that you don't. So here are some questions I would like to ask you:

Let's say Orthinol or I was lynched today. They flip town, and inspect the other as town. What will you do from here?

This situation is just bad timing, and I would hate it for this to diminish my thoughts and contribution to the game. If town does not believe me, I am willing to be inspected to prove my innocence and pure intentions. My reads are as true as my heart is pure.

Last paragraph pings me super hard. Why does Town go "inspect me I'll prove I'm town"? You know you're an active slot, and you know you're town. You also know that if an inspect is used on you, that's one less inspect to go around for checking the actually ambiguous slots that needs the inspect. There is less +EV to Town in knowing that you're Town as opposed to someone else, like the slots currently contested.

Then why didn't you put the vote on Oralie once you scumread them? It doesn't appear like you had anything else to do with your vote, and game was neither active nor dumb enough to hammer early as you feared. You even state in your own point that there's no reason not to put a vote onto Oralie at the end, and if you're so concerned about proving you're town, why didn't you just plonk the vote there to begin with?

You've been pretty towny for most of the game, but this post just puts the idea of you being a potential power scum in my mind.


Going to do some VCA now[/quote]

1) I know I am town, but the others don't. To many others, like you and Frank, I am ambiguous. I try to make useful analyses to the game and add my own contributions. The point I was trying to make with the paragraph is that, I would hate for the others to ignore my reads or my posts just because they think I am scum. In a way, I want to verify my posts so that it is confirmed to be useful to town.

2) As I explained before, I don't want to lynch someone early in the day. I like to wait until they have come around and said a defense before I made up my mind. I also stated that I had other potential lynches that I want to consider first before deciding my lynch. Therefore, I did not decide to lynch Oralie early in the day (this is also considering that she already had plurality). I wanted to lynch her before day ends, but I was oblivious of the deadline and did not come online in time. Therefore, I didn't end up voting her. That is fine to me, because honestly, the most important thing to me is that I get my reads out. This ties up with my first point, I wouldn't like my reads to be viewed as scummy just because of unfortunate circumstances.

frank is town

orthinol is town but don't listen to him

Jean A. wrote:

Frank is probably Town based off the bandwagon onto Oralie, they weren't in danger then and he was the one who put them under plurality. Nanny gets a good look too, but their posts rub me the wrong way.

Orthinol is likely to be Town, Oralie didn't have to risk them getting steam when they could have vanity wagon-ed or even jumped onto Kain. Plus, I like Orthinol's content so far.

Gail's mega abstinence to vote has a similar kinda vibe to Oralie's indecisiveness, while they are active and provides conclusions and insight, their vote feels weak for being the only power townies in this theme have prior to death.

Santo is just kinda.... dead parked on Keenan.

I know this site has a huge thing against lurker lynching for whatever the hell reason, but I think trimming out  a few lurkers is the optimal thing to do here, probably one who does post but barely has meaningful content. That way we'll either off a scum trying to kill thread or a townie whose only use is their death inspect.

I disagree with you here when you say that my situation is similar to Oralie. The thing about Oralie is that her posts did not go anywhere, and did not provide any conclusions as you claim here. She did not make any insights, rather acting in a mediator role by either explaining the post and not giving her own opinion or trying to balance both sides of the argument without trying to lean towards one side. I did not do either of these. Furthermore, Oralie was definitely not cautious with her vote, as evidenced by her vote against Orthinol throughout the day.

If you think I am scummy because of my abstinence to vote, then why would I vote Kain day 1 to plurshift away from Orthinol? This contradicts any reasoning of me not wanting to be the blame behind any vote. The only logical explanation for this argument is that I was trying to save Orthinol from plurhammer. Therefore, if you think I am scum because of my failure to vote Oralie, then you must also scumread Orthinol.

With that said, I'll ask a question back: Do you think the fact that I was the one to save Orthinol from plurhammer instead of the people that explicitly townread Orthinol constitutes as an abstinence to vote?

Apologies for the misformatting in my earlier post.