Game 32: Farmer's Hydra
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Kimmy S.
Anima V.
Emmy A.
Cherry P.
Clara H.
Jeremiah W.
Infernando G.
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Re: Game 32: Farmer's Hydra
Meant to say sleek, not concise. Ok, back to chain posting for real. Remember, don't comment on my posts until I say I'm done. The reason for this is stated in my first post.
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Re: Game 32: Farmer's Hydra
Jeremiah: In games like this, there is a good chance that most accounts have at least one player that knows what they’re doing in these anon games. When that is the case, simply sitting around and waiting for someone to make a post that outs them as scum is pointless because the mafia likely knows how to seem clean. Finding scum is harder when it’s like this, but obviously not impossible. You have to look for the people that seem to be looking to help town, but really aren’t doing much at all to actually help them win. I usually look for people who are scumreading based on something that isn’t logical, like a pre-game post. The way Kimmy made his reads day 1 seemed to match this quite a bit to me. He gave too much weight to certain things (yelled scum at Anima after her post asking for scumreads, lynched Halsey after accusing him of contributing nothing) instead of simply pointing them out and asking for explanations. The only difference between his scumreads on Halsey and Anima was that Halsey responded and called him out on his reads. If Anima had responded in the same way that Halsey did and properly defended herself, she very well could have survived day 1. Although the sample size in this game is way to small to make conclusions, historically in these games calling out the first scummy thing people do and lynching them for it hasn’t worked out so well. Scum factions have won exactly two thirds of these anon games, lots of times without losing a single member. Expecting mafia to be dumb enough to make actions that would out themselves as scum early on is foolish behavior, and lynching the low hanging fruit every day is just going to result in town death after town death. Going after people who act like they're looking for scum without ever making a logical read is the way to find the mafia, and so far the person that fits that profile to me is Kimmy.
Ok, time to comment on this. You know it's special when there is a single one of my posts dedicated to this. Let's start.
Ok so on the weight part, I really agree on that. When you said black and white, that meant you basically lynched him because of playstyle. Choose your words better next time (or you just made this u, but this was an explanation point and the point itself is legitimate so it stays). After this, I went back to see Kimmy's posts and see that he has nothing about Clara whatsoever. I mean, the hell Kimmy? Clara basically did what you stated was scummy and oh man, did she stereotype the hell out of it when he/she posted his/her readlist in the format that you ever hate so much and definitely saw and you didnt do anything at all??? I mean Kimmy, when you made that attack on me, it was just so messy. However, you had obv read the game when I think about it now since you stated the plan I had procured, but you used that as a support point for your lynch, not as the main idea. Ever since that attack on me, your posts have been lax and way different. However, you did hear me out at the end and that ended it which is very townlike. I need to look into that a little more and see if I missed anything. However, my point stands. Why didn't you go after Clara?
Expecting mafia to be dumb enough to make actions that would out themselves as scum early on is foolish behavior, and lynching the low hanging fruit every day is just going to result in town death after town death.
This is very true when I think about it (I have not joined many games so I did not consider this). However if you were so sure about this, why did you lynch Anima? Had you explained this, I would've vouched for it. Eh, actually not. Would've said that because it's day 1, I wanted a lynch to see what was the game environment like. However, you not stating that reason and uling Anima is what gets me. This however now is most likely true imo since we learned about Anima's alignment, so now I would support this.
Ok, time to comment on this. You know it's special when there is a single one of my posts dedicated to this. Let's start.
Ok so on the weight part, I really agree on that. When you said black and white, that meant you basically lynched him because of playstyle. Choose your words better next time (or you just made this u, but this was an explanation point and the point itself is legitimate so it stays). After this, I went back to see Kimmy's posts and see that he has nothing about Clara whatsoever. I mean, the hell Kimmy? Clara basically did what you stated was scummy and oh man, did she stereotype the hell out of it when he/she posted his/her readlist in the format that you ever hate so much and definitely saw and you didnt do anything at all??? I mean Kimmy, when you made that attack on me, it was just so messy. However, you had obv read the game when I think about it now since you stated the plan I had procured, but you used that as a support point for your lynch, not as the main idea. Ever since that attack on me, your posts have been lax and way different. However, you did hear me out at the end and that ended it which is very townlike. I need to look into that a little more and see if I missed anything. However, my point stands. Why didn't you go after Clara?
Expecting mafia to be dumb enough to make actions that would out themselves as scum early on is foolish behavior, and lynching the low hanging fruit every day is just going to result in town death after town death.
This is very true when I think about it (I have not joined many games so I did not consider this). However if you were so sure about this, why did you lynch Anima? Had you explained this, I would've vouched for it. Eh, actually not. Would've said that because it's day 1, I wanted a lynch to see what was the game environment like. However, you not stating that reason and uling Anima is what gets me. This however now is most likely true imo since we learned about Anima's alignment, so now I would support this.
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Re: Game 32: Farmer's Hydra
Btw by lax, I meant questions towards other users. They are much more simple in that they are more yes/no questions (when they are questions). Responses are normal but they have declined now. Some responses however are using words like "irked" or "we'll see". etc.
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Re: Game 32: Farmer's Hydra
[u]Lynch Jeremiah W. I'd venture to say that even Dr. Proctor has put forth more effort to find scum than Jeremiah, as while Dock Prock was inactive for much of Day 1 his post near the end of the day shows an effort to put forth original content without much prodding directed at him, while it took heavy pushing to get even a readlist from Jeremiah, and I have problems with those reads despite their high detail (some of these things are what I wanted to mention during last night's in-between phase).
-Firstly, you gave a few questions at one point and I mentioned liking the effort. I also mentioned wanting to see where you went with them, and you didn't really go anywhere. One example is that you asked about my thoughts on a comment from Clara, and after I answered it there was no mention of that answer and how it affected your opinions on either of us.
-You have a scumlean on Dr. Proctor due to his lack of content, but Infernando having next to no content is apparently offset by the fact that the members of his hydra can't agree on something and Shepherd also having no content makes him completely null. I don't see how these differences cause a difference in how you read them.
-Your scumlean on Kimmy seems primarily motivated by a difference in playstyle and, as I mentioned yesterday, you leave yourself an out by saying "this doesn't mean that he has to be scum himself."
-As mentioned yesterday you have a number of scumleans but go on to vote none of them. You back off on your Anima read with no clear indicator of what motivated the opinion shift, and even in the post where you list her as your strongest scumread you include the caveat of "there's a good chance statistically that she's a townie" and that becomes your reasoning for not lynching her (and then you still go on to say "I am not opposed to an Anima lynch").
Also, there were six people yesterday who didn't vote. Considering that lynches are not locked in when they are placed I don't see the point in not using your lynch. I went back to check people's possible reasons for not lynching and:[u/]
So I missed this, oops... Still my point stands on that question I asked you. Why you might ask? Because other than Clara and actually quoting what disturbed him (which was new in fact) and making a scenerio which is plausible, he did nothing else but sum up all the other players.
Also Jeremiah, nvm about the praise. I went back and read the thoughts about Kimmy and it indeed looks like you persecuted him just because of the playstyle (since you said he may not be mafia). You mentioned nothing else at all that could indicate another thing.
-Firstly, you gave a few questions at one point and I mentioned liking the effort. I also mentioned wanting to see where you went with them, and you didn't really go anywhere. One example is that you asked about my thoughts on a comment from Clara, and after I answered it there was no mention of that answer and how it affected your opinions on either of us.
-You have a scumlean on Dr. Proctor due to his lack of content, but Infernando having next to no content is apparently offset by the fact that the members of his hydra can't agree on something and Shepherd also having no content makes him completely null. I don't see how these differences cause a difference in how you read them.
-Your scumlean on Kimmy seems primarily motivated by a difference in playstyle and, as I mentioned yesterday, you leave yourself an out by saying "this doesn't mean that he has to be scum himself."
-As mentioned yesterday you have a number of scumleans but go on to vote none of them. You back off on your Anima read with no clear indicator of what motivated the opinion shift, and even in the post where you list her as your strongest scumread you include the caveat of "there's a good chance statistically that she's a townie" and that becomes your reasoning for not lynching her (and then you still go on to say "I am not opposed to an Anima lynch").
Also, there were six people yesterday who didn't vote. Considering that lynches are not locked in when they are placed I don't see the point in not using your lynch. I went back to check people's possible reasons for not lynching and:[u/]
So I missed this, oops... Still my point stands on that question I asked you. Why you might ask? Because other than Clara and actually quoting what disturbed him (which was new in fact) and making a scenerio which is plausible, he did nothing else but sum up all the other players.
Also Jeremiah, nvm about the praise. I went back and read the thoughts about Kimmy and it indeed looks like you persecuted him just because of the playstyle (since you said he may not be mafia). You mentioned nothing else at all that could indicate another thing.
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A Lot, and I mean A Lot of thinking went into making this.
If I have already given thoughts on a situation that is the same on other posts, I will not comment on it.
Also, I just realized that Jeremiah didn't lynch at all. Jeremiah, if you were so ok with the pragmatic reason you gave OR that Kimmy was scummy, why would you not lynch either of them. The fact that you stated that about Anima, but said you were ok with the lynch but did not lynch is just ugly. I mean, if you didnt believe much in the pragmatic reason, there was Kimmy over there winking at you and you didn't even lynch him. All of the praise I had for you in those short moments, is gone. Also that confusion that I stated about you is gone. Now all I want to know is why you did not lynch at all.
Emmy A. wrote:What "evidence" do you suggest I find aside from my own reads? In terms of motivation, I don't see why town would, rather than trying to learn more about the people they scumread, simply add phrases such as "statistically more likely to be town" and "doesn't mean he has to be scum." Things like that basically turn your scumreads into null reads and does so in a way that it looks like you're trying to appear helpful while keeping your options open, which doesn't come from a town mindset.
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Wait a sec. So you think he is scum just because of those null sided posts? The posts that you brought up that where scummy in your eyes were not null reads. That's a completely different reason than what you called him out on with that bullet point list
I'm confused with your paragraph on Anima. You say that you read her as scummier than anyone else, but in the same paragraph say that you felt her play was coming from a townie who didn't get how forum mafia works. (1) What indicated that it came from a townie specifically (as opposed to scum who didn't understand) and (2) why not just say that outright? The problem I have with your comment of being okay with her being lynched is that you did so while saying she was likely town. There was no active effort to lynch scum; it felt like passive "devil's advocate" play where you were trying to sheep the Anima wagon without getting any dirt on your hands for lynching her.
You comment that waiting around for someone to make a post that outs them as scum is pointless, which is true and is thus why you pressure people. I interpret what you were doing to be waiting around because I didn't see a lot of attempts to pressure people from you. Even with Cherry you made a comment of "This is a really weird slot, that I would appreciate more pressure on" but didn't question her yourself (which is another thing I have trouble seeing as coming from a town mindset). Meanwhile, the idea that people who are scummy are just town who got off to a bad start (if I'm interpreting you correctly) is something dependent on both the content and context of their post, and with Anima I definitely didn't (and still don't) understand why she decided to just respond with a bolded question mark and be intentionally vague. Lynching someone for the first scummy thing they do actually isn't what we did in this case; if it was Cherry would have been lynched. I apparently misinterpreted much of Cherry's early game play, and moved on to pressuring you and later Anima. Of the three, Anima's reaction to the pressure was by far the worst.
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His comment was actually the opposite. He stated that you cannot hope that a mafia will slip
Regarding Proctor, what does he gain as scum from making a promise he doesn't intend to keep? He'd be completley aware as either alignment that it would bring undue suspicion on him if he never followed up. (Phrased differently, I don't see why Proctor as scum would promise to make a post with the intention of not following up, and I think the fact in itself is a null-tell.)
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It's the fact that he promised to post on a specific deadline that irks me. It must have meant that he went through the trouble of keeping that section in the schedule clean. From his post, it seems that he was overloaded by the info and did not post as much. What irks me again though is that he stated "he had thoughts about the game" which meant he most likely read the whole game or even more likely, skimmed it.
He pretty much stuck with the Jeremiah as scum consensus since he went out of his way to read Jeremiah's posts and add a scummy viewpoint to some stuff that was scummy but that nobody had touched. The stuff he talked about (think about it guys) would be really hard to point out in a myriad of posts that to most, had arguably much more impact at the time. Also the fact that he even mentioned that stuff in the first place compared to his post about Cherry is what irks me. He went out of his way to just post this.
He then made a summary of Cherry with restated information (the fact that he could've posted this thought outright when he commented is what bothers me and don't tell me nobody can make that post if anybody were in the position of limited time)
It's the part where he got to me that I really hated. He just ignored me. That's it. (He just said I seemed more towny than Cherry. gg)
I mean, he basically chose the safest of people to call out something scummy (that were not dead) from after deciding to leave me out of his post. The fact that Cherry and Jeremiah were pretty much 1v1, I feel like he sided with one player and dumped the other.
Seeing that my scenario I'm proposing is fluid, he was most probably too afraid to even touch me at all (alot of stuff happened around me while Cherry and Jeremiah stayed stale imo which was basically the same conflict) and took the safe way out in order to complete that promise of posting. I mean, he just said I was more towny than Cherry. The fact that he did not atl east pick me off for that dismiss in the fruit chain that "WE" were dumb enough to suggest which is really similar to the thing he posted about Jeremiah rubs me the wrong way
I'll go back to look at Kimmy's readlist for at the lack of logic in his reads that you mention, though at the moment I'm not in a place where I can reliably post.
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Everybody is waiting for this atm
Also, I just realized that Jeremiah didn't lynch at all. Jeremiah, if you were so ok with the pragmatic reason you gave OR that Kimmy was scummy, why would you not lynch either of them. The fact that you stated that about Anima, but said you were ok with the lynch but did not lynch is just ugly. I mean, if you didnt believe much in the pragmatic reason, there was Kimmy over there winking at you and you didn't even lynch him. All of the praise I had for you in those short moments, is gone. Also that confusion that I stated about you is gone. Now all I want to know is why you did not lynch at all.
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Re: Game 32: Farmer's Hydra
Shepherd D. wrote:Clara H. wrote:Shepherd D. wrote:Now that I look at my QT, due to my partner subbing in late, we never actually sent in a fruit action. I wonder if AJ took that as idling. Whoever I was supposed to fruit, can you comment?
I don't have enough time to look at everything so I'll just comment on this because it strikes me as scum
Why would you need to discuss the fruiting? I sent my fruit without any discussion, as it's obvious where the fruit has to go to if you read day 1. So why would Shepherd need to discuss it? The only reason I can see is because he is also needing to decide whether or not to kill, and whether or not to fruit. It explains the no deaths, as I believe he did just not end up sending anything
Emmy: I have explained my reasons for Hasley as best as I can. If you don't understand it then I see no way of making you understand it
The problem was that first off, my partner subbed out and thus didn't know the plan first off... Secondly, we both agreed on following the plan but neither of us actually bolded the fruit target by the end of the night. This is why I need Caroline's input, if idles are forced if an action is not sent.
I didn't bold my fruit the fruit either and it got passed.
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Re: Game 32: Farmer's Hydra
For the love of God, please let this be the last big post...
Caroline M. wrote:Just a few dazzling posts from day 1 i would like to clear up.Halsey N. wrote:Caroline M. wrote:Anima V. wrote:?
I've been thinking about the dazzling significance of this post. Like why the dazzle would either scum!Anima or town!Anima just post a question mark and then just leave? We've seen the fact anima has come online quite a few times during the time she was inactive so its not like she's confused and is like "what just happened?" since it seems as if she was keeping up without actually posting. It could be that one anima was logging on without posting while the other anima didnt log on for a while, but it would make a lot more sense to tell us about it + produce a dazzling defense. The only dazzling explanation that seems to make a bit of sense to me is that a scum!Anima posted a question mark in the hope of inducing wifom. The problem is this wifom is still affecting me and I am still unsure on where to place my lynch. I thinking that since there are already like 3 lynches on Anima, I dont think my own lynch on her will be that useful since she's probs gonna get lynched via plur anyway. So perhaps I could lynch Shepherd as a way to pressure him to speak up day 2?
It's not pressure if outright blatantly stated. I also don't like that post. That last sentence feels like attempting to take towncred or fear of lynching him due to people questioning you for why you lynched him. Can you explain what is the benefit of stating that to begin with?
Also, you didn't answer my question, you just stated hypothetical situations that if they were to be real, would make me scummy. You never said I was scummy to begin with directly until now.
In terms of "fear of lynching him due to people questioning you for why you lynched him", my reason to lynch him is valid and dazzlingly clear which is demonstrated due to Kimmy not having any further questions after I elaborated further on my lynch suggestion. Emmy on the other hand simply said "but sooner or later Shepherd will have to either post of be subbed out" which I agreed with. Although it is true that a common way to get inactives to talk is to lynch them, in my case I have a valid reason to lynch him and so the lynch itself is simply a message to say that the reason I have given is lynch-worthy. Therefore blatantly stating that I want to lynch Shepherd for the pressure does not dilute the pressure in any way because the reason is still there and cannot be denied until he talks and defends himself.
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Um no, just no. Define lynch worth imo because from all the stuff that happened day 1, you did not post a single lynch whatsoever. Your "dazzling" lynch has nothing to be backed upon for why you would even lynch to begin with thus your "lynch worthy" reason is invalid. Also if this was "lynch worthy" as you said, you would only be stating that your lynches are for pressure. That however contradicts what pressure is since pressuring someone is not meant to be stated. It's more like you're scared to outright pressure somebody without disrupting your "cotton soul" town figure and somebody calling you out on this that you just state what you intend to do so you do not run into this peculiar problem in the future.
I see why you may have felt that I didnt answer your question, I just thought you would have understood the answer because it's common sense that the only way you would cover someone up is if you had someone to cover (ie a hydra). Plus I made it fairly clear that your drive to help town progress is townie, which makes the message fairly clear that the hydra is suggesting the scum!Halsey.
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pəˈteɪtəʊ/ - /pəˈtɑːtəʊ/. If you state that you believe that my hydra gives the stench of scum/is scum, since we are the same role and character, then I am scum to you/give the stench of scum. It's that simple so stop putting me off and lynch me if you believe so.
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Caroline: So far Anima and Shepherd are my top 2 contenders for most likely to be mafia. Shepherd I have talked about and the fact that he has come on a couple more times doesnt help his case at all. Same thing can be said about Anima. Even though she went through the effort at the start to explain the scenarios for the dazzling fruit plan, its just as important for scum to know about them too in order to not fall for any of the traps. Although its true she could have just said it in the quicktopic at night, I dont think a scum!Anima would miss this opportunity to gain early towncred without having to press on with the scumhunting.
Caroline M. wrote:As far as lynches go, I am conflicted. I don't think Halsey should be lynched right now, I am certain he has more dazzling arguments to make, and I would like to give them some more time. But then we do need an alternative for the lynch, and the sheer ammount of posts here is honestly overwhelming me. I have also run out of time to reread so I'm afraid I can't make a good decision right now.
So um, I'm really confused about the conflicting nature of your posts like this one. I'm a little speechless atm tbh. Like if you think I'm scum, I'm sure getting rid of me vouches more than whatever argument I can procure since you know, you need to lynch scum for town to win????
Again, given the dazzling nature of this game, its not a stretch to see perhaps why there are some conflicting ideas in some of my dazzling posts. To put it simply, one hydra believes that the cover up is a possibility while the other believes that the cover up scenario is more likely. Also one hydra is keeping up with the game more than the other. Anyway like I said, because I am just sceptical that the plan was indeed "schemed" as you said, I am reluctant to townread you because of your contributions. However this doesn't mean I scumread you because I cant be certain that you really did just make this up. Which is why I am giving my reasons as to why I am sceptical so that we can get to the bottom of this.
This post here confirms to me that my intention is being misunderstood. I am not saying that not achieving the intended goal discredits you straight away, I am saying that it was what first gave me the idea that you could have just made this up to cover up for your hydra which made me sceptical of your scheme. As if this truly was a cover up, only then would it discredit you. I simply can't know for certain if you did this with town intention or not so it could have just been that all the reactions gained from it were side effects that happened to help town (since you made it fairly clear that it wasnt your intended goal). Anyway I will summarise all the points that I have that makes me sceptical of your "scheme".Halsey N. wrote:
Also, how does my plan not having the intended effect of helping town in its exact goal discredit me?
Caroline: See thats the thing, it didnt really serve town. He got no solid conclusions from his dazzling "scheme" which is what sparked my initial thought that this probably wasnt schemed and instead just an attempt to cover up his partner. Idk maybe he could have used a less risky way to do it but this doesnt dimish any of the points that i have brought up against Halsey and so my dazzling argument till now still stands.
You're exactly right on that, not going to lie. However, that plan which came out of nowhere onto day 1 caused some interesting reactions between each player and if you notice, did cause a lot of players to comment on it and showed how various players scumhunted. Kimmy, Jeremiah, you, etc. It was useful for bringing that out if you want to debate the usefulness of it which I believe you might be in confusing about. It did not achieve the goal intended however.
Nonetheless, let's say this plan helped nothing whatsoever. I still executed it on the goal to help town, so would it failing outright label me as scummy? At the end it's all, "does the thought really count" type of question, but I dare say and in my opinion has been proved by what I stated and by the thread that this plan was not useless.
The timing of the reveal meant you didnt give enough time to get a solid scumtell from it yet you still decided to say that it was your plan that made you identify cherry as a scumread. Yet in the same post the reason you gave for the scumread on cherry didnt match what you were looking for in your plan. All this gives the idea that you made up this plan haphazardly to cover for your hydra and then immediately tried to turn it against Cherry. Another point that could back this up is his backtracking of the cherry scumread and talked about how "everybody making a big deal out of it warped my consensus". This indicates that his initial scumread on Cherry was just him sheeping the consensus rather than the work of his plan.
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So 10 hours wasn't enough for anything of importance to come up at all??? I call bs on that since stuff did come up. What if I were to have given it 24 hours? The bad thing with that is that it would disrupt the game and land it into confusion for a lot of time meaning it would digress and not be at the point which it is now.
Also the fact that I thought what had been produced in those 10 hours was good enough for me because of Cherry's lynch on me, so I had no reason to extend the reveal of the plan compared to the negatives which I stated above. I wasn't going to do that anyways since the negatives are too much compared to the positive, but I am explaining that hypothetical scenario you attack me so much for not doing it so there it is.. Sadly, due to misunderstanding the intent/execution for why Cherry lynches the way he/she does which I already stated alot of times, this made the intended goal of the plan null.
It also involved being able to differentiate between hydras which means you basically have to guess if 1 or 2 users are on the account or whether the slight difference in posting styles is just one user which can be affected by emotions more easily (i.e aggressive cherry). This coupled by the fact it was in early day 1 where posting styles havent really been developed perhaps by both users seemed like an odd time to deploy this scheme especially since a hefty component of the plan is via hydra differentiation**. This, in addition to the flaws emmy pointed out, demeans the suggestion that this plan was well thought out and arises the possibility that it was actually a haphazard way to cover for his hydra.
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Um, everybody had posted by that time a decent amount of posts if you didn't notice. I was also not going to detain the plan just because some users decided not to post. Like I said, prolonging the plan which caused confusion to begin with wouldve caused even more confusion if posted later within the day due to scumhunting already having gained ground (Cherry v. Jeremiah). I did not want to disrupt the scumhunting and if I had posted it later, it would disrupt what would be at that time, good scumhunts most likely and I did not want to hinder town.
I even thought of an even worse scenario when I thought up of this plan.
The Jeremiah vs. Cherry scumhunt would most likely gain a foundation compared to how premature it was when I enacted my plan. If other scumhunts were to begin as well and even worse, gain a foundation, then the plan would not have that much of an impact. By that time, people would most likely have their reads (trs and srs) and I began to doubt my plan would not bait in what I thought was a sure fire way to bait in mafia because at that time, mafia most likely wouldve had their trs and srs (which their hydras would most likely follow to stay in character by that time). A mafia would essentially get their srs out of the way and then prey on me because if enacted later, I would have no ground to stand on meaning my whole plan would be useless and I would just be a dead corpse with no contributions.
**I understand that if it indeed was planned, then a reason why it was deployed day 1 is to stir up more discussion and accelerate the games development. However if it really was thought out properly, Halsey should have realised the exceeding dependence on hydra differentiation and adapted the plan to solve this problem and make it fit better in a day 1 situation.
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I repeat, my plan was flawed because I did not think Cherry's reason to lynch was lynching out of something that was scummy, but rather lynching who he/she thought was scum. Although that begs the question which just throws everything into a loop, why did Cherry not lynch Anima which was basically a worse version of me (ofc I am stating the first perspective in how somebody would see me before i revealed the plan
Anyway I asked you a couple of questions to clarify what you mean when you said "when she asked the weird question" I asked which question are you referring to? I also asked what which post did you refer to the fact you "warped your consensus". I also decided to count how many times you asked the "scum due to hydra or not hydra" question and I only found one instance. Not sure where you got the 3 times from (perhaps i miscounted?) but it dazzles me that when I don't directly seem to address your question you go crazy about it, yet you don't seem to pay attention to all my posts (no matter how small these questions are).
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That weird question was the one you thought you had explained, but I stated you didn't and now in this post you stated that it was implied. (basically, control f the following in that white box if this post didnt make sense)
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Caroline I see why you may have felt that I didnt answer your question
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Also here are the times (Chicago) if you name tag me:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:10 pm
Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:51 pm
Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:06 pm
Finally, I already answered the question that I bolded. I stated so many times that I was quickreading the game to catch up since it was alot and Cherry's posts in my head must have gotten with Emmy's so I inferred that Cherry lynched due to thinking that an individual was scum.
Maybe you should read better because I have already responded to this and have stated the question post I referred to (which if you control f those times after switching to the chicago timezone, you will see to what I referred to).Shepherd D. wrote:Now that I look at my QT, due to my partner subbing in late, we never actually sent in a fruit action. I wonder if AJ took that as idling. Whoever I was supposed to fruit, can you comment?
It's true i didnt receive any fruit but I am not too fussed about it because no kills happened. What I am fussed about is that you are STILL ignoring my point against you. You even said that your partner was the one being subbed out so its fairly clear that you're the same guy who posted the post that i called out.Emmy A. wrote:That was unclear. I mean if the day is in a pre-mylo, pre-lylo, or mylo situation, we should fruit the following night (No Lynching if the game is in mylo).
Umm i thought if we NL then AJ just randomly picks a player to get lynched. Not sure tho so i'll confirm that with AJ.
Also i forgot to quote the part where you said my lack of lynch struck you as odd. Unfortunately due to time constraints i wasnt able to stay for long enough to dazzlingly post my lynch, and while i was online at the time I really wasnt sure on who to lynch.
I also want to add my dazzling voice to emmy's concern on jeremiah because it is completely illogical to say that despite believing that anima is most likely a member of town who reacted poorly to pressure, you dont mind a lynch on anima. So what if she inflicted confusion on town near the end of day 1? That doesnt mean you just accept a lynch on who you think (which turned out to be true) is most likely town. Instead you pursue your scumread which in your case is kimmy right? You really didnt do that at all except the odd post that said "if i were to lynch, i would lynch kimmy". Your readlist that you did day 1, despite saying that kimmy is leaning scum, you said that your biggest scumread is anima!!! So the pressure you had against him, no matter how little it was, just diluted because you didnt follow up and press on him further. Instead your anima scumread just looked like a way to sheep the consensus since you then made it clear that anima is most likely a town member who reacted poorly to pressure.Clara H. wrote:Shepherd D. wrote:Now that I look at my QT, due to my partner subbing in late, we never actually sent in a fruit action. I wonder if AJ took that as idling. Whoever I was supposed to fruit, can you comment?
I don't have enough time to look at everything so I'll just comment on this because it strikes me as scum
Why would you need to discuss the fruiting? I sent my fruit without any discussion, as it's obvious where the fruit has to go to if you read day 1. So why would Shepherd need to discuss it? The only reason I can see is because he is also needing to decide whether or not to kill, and whether or not to fruit. It explains the no deaths, as I believe he did just not end up sending anything
Emmy: I have explained my reasons for Hasley as best as I can. If you don't understand it then I see no way of making you understand it
Umm uh..what the dazzle? See the problem with most of clara's post is that it just doesnt make sense. Shepherd was just explaining why he didnt send any fruit to me (although i also want to know why the other shepherd who posted didnt send). How on earth does that link with deciding on who to nightkill? And most importantly, how the dazzle does it explain shepherd not doing anything?!?!?
Anyway I am not happy that shepherd has come online yet has decided to completely ignored my dazzling points against him. For convenience i'll repeat them here. When i said something along the lines of "cherry ignored shepherds question", you said in your post "i would have liked to hear cherry's thoughts tho" or something like that which is fine on its own however you decided to not follow up on it despite showing an apparent interest in cherry's thoughts. This contradicts the fact you didnt follow up which makes it feel as if you said that just to coast along with what i said and appear to sound curious. You even came back online several times but didnt post which shows that your inactivity isnt due to unfortunate irl time constraints and is just because you either cant be bothered or you want to just lurk. In those times where you came online you could have addressed my points and emmy's question asking about your RVS actions yet you decided to just ignore them.
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I should've checked that for Doctor Proctor. Man I'm an idiot. Mainly kept my eye on Anima
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Crap, can you guys see the bold. If not, I will underline next time. Since I don't wanna repost my posts since that would be spam, just preview message my post and look for the
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Also I'm wiped out. Hopefully I went through 3/4 of the content that was
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note worthy (new info, stuff that had to be addressed, etc.). I'll finish up posting tomorrow.Also BAM
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Cherry P. wrote:shepherd's lynch of emmy seems more of omgus/being upset at the way he's perceiving his treatment more than anything else
halsey for the love of god fix the formatting in your posts
Now I know what you meant by that...
Ok here is the stuff that is hidden starting from the Charming wallpost:
-Dr. Proctor's reads.
-Jeremiah's reads (quote that in his name tag: Putting my reads out now since I haven't openly discussed my feelings on many of the people in this game thus far.)
-Jeremiah: Caroline: This is actually more of a response to your last post than it is a question for you. You called me out for letting others do all the work in scumhunting, and then go after the person once someone else has forced them to lynch. What I meant by going after someone is that I generally hold off using my lynch until I feel that I'm absolutely sure that I want them lynched on that day. That doesn't mean that I won't pressure someone or ask them to clarify/explain something that they said/did that I didn't understand. On day 1, I think people are still trying to get accustomed to the game and tend to say or do things that can be interpreted as a scumslip. When people don't have much to go off of, they latch to these small bits of info and pressure them on it, and sometimes the player will respond poorly or simply go inactive and not respond at all, and then we have a dead townie day 1. When I referred to the day 1 lynch as a roll of that dice, that's what I meant by it. That
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-Emmy: Jeremiah W.-Lean scum. As I've explained, I don't see a lot of gamesolving in his posts. Early on he seems focused on avoiding conflict and the posts he had were discussions about mafia theory/setup discussion. As I also said earlier I'm liking his more recent posts and in the hope that it continues I'm moving my lynch to Anima in order to pressure her.
My Last Non Crap Post up to now:
Caroline I see why you may have felt that I didnt answer your question
AJ, if you can. For the love of GOD. REMOVE THIS HIDES
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These*. If you can't see the bold, quote this and I will point that out as well. Man this freaking ruined my 100 post.
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oh my
give me an hour and Ill get back to you, theres alot of new stuff I want to talk about
give me an hour and Ill get back to you, theres alot of new stuff I want to talk about
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Whoops forgot I hadnt replied :/
Shepherd is screaming scum to me
Well why not explain what Cherry's response means to you? Anyway, rn it appears you are lynching Procter for being inactive. That is a terrible way to go about things, and as your posts continue, it appears its the only thing you talk about, instead of defending yourself from the pressure
yes, scum killing is not a good idea, but its something that requires discussion with the hydra about, unlike this fruit-giving that you felt the need to discuss, and then not send anything for.
Activity Activity Activity. Suddenly. when Cherry called you out on it, you no longer townread Emmy for Being active. I appear to be a null read as opposed to a townread now. Strange how reads can change when people lynch you
Ughhhh. If you know your reads are terrible, why did you make them? More activity talk as expected. If you feel pressured, you should be defending yourself instead of making horrible reads.
I also dont see how Cherry is making personal attacks, she is explaining what you are doing thats wrong, while you are calling Proctor a horrible player.
First of all, Emmy literally made a large post explaining why she thought Jeremiah was scum earlier today. I dont see how you feel Emmy has no scumreads, especailly considering you originally lynched someone for being inactive.
Considering that myself, Caroline, and Cherry are all also on you, I wouldnt be too suprised to find that both Emmy's sr you too
What I'm getting from this post is that its an omgus lynch with the reasoning that emmy adds little unnessicary bits to her posts, which is bad reasoning
Shepherd is screaming scum to me
Shepherd D. wrote:Going to reply to people's queries one by one. First off, I wanted to hear Cherry's thoughts to overall get reads on her. By I didn't need to reply, I mean that it was enough for me to merely read her thoughts, as I didn't see any need to question her about them. I never backed down, I just didn't feel the need to question Cherry any further. And about being online day 1... I wasn't really? Perhaps I left my computer turned on while I was out doing things. I don't want to bring outside influences in any more than that... and again, could I get actual reasoning as to why you're always inserting dazzling into your thoughts? It just makes them more difficult to read... as to Jeremiah, I was just noting the people that I could currently see on the page. I'm going to go and gather info on everyone else later, but it's worth noting that Jeremiah hasn't posted in a while. also, I've already said that Infernando isn't active enough. So why are you assuming that I'm considering him active?
As to your queries on Doctor Proctor, due to his quick RVS at the start of day 1 and his lack of posting, it makes me think that either he's trying to hide being scum (without us noticing, of course) or he's just overall bad (I don't think this for any reason other than inactivity and lack of post relevance). I haven't read back too much into d1, so if Proctor was more active at this time I'd love it if someone could correc t me. Will go and gather more reads and answers in a moment.
Well why not explain what Cherry's response means to you? Anyway, rn it appears you are lynching Procter for being inactive. That is a terrible way to go about things, and as your posts continue, it appears its the only thing you talk about, instead of defending yourself from the pressure
Shepherd D. wrote:On a side note, why would scum possibly even consider killing? Unless they got lucky and people screwed up their actions, killing and refusing to fruit clearly outs scum. That kind of self-sacrifice just doesn't make any sense logically.
yes, scum killing is not a good idea, but its something that requires discussion with the hydra about, unlike this fruit-giving that you felt the need to discuss, and then not send anything for.
Shepherd D. wrote:I was just about to post about Cherry's lack of activity in day 2 then she returned. Good for that. I'd love to see your opinions on my reads as most people so far have said the same thing. Poking Emmy and Charlotte for this reason. As well, scratch the townlean on Emmy, I don't like her slightly off-topic comments "Love the broken quoting system of this. Come on aj, fix your thread" and the agreeing mostly with what Clara and Caroline have said d2. Emmy's a null read now, as well as Clara (will give reasoning for this later). I still slightly townread Caroline due to her asking good and relevant questions and despite the continuous "dazzling" filler.
And for god's sake Doctor Proctor come SAY SOMETHING!
Activity Activity Activity. Suddenly. when Cherry called you out on it, you no longer townread Emmy for Being active. I appear to be a null read as opposed to a townread now. Strange how reads can change when people lynch you
Shepherd D. wrote:Doesn't seem like a paragraph is going to save me now, but I'll do it anyways...
I'll be honest, I've given terrible reads throughout day 2 and haven't put much thought into them at all. I've felt pressured and haven't put enough thought and reading into them... the whole typing large paragraphs thing gets me. Aside from that, unlynch Doctor Proctor, though I'd still like to see some more activity from his end. And overall, I am NOT happy with the bulky post Cherry just made. Like, seriously? "i had something rude here but I removed it because i didn't want to scare you off. count yourself lucky.'? That seems like you're playing on emotions pretty harshly.
"you're being pressured, people are asking you questions, and what do you do? respond to the questions? attempt to clarify misconceptions? do absolutely nothing and get upset at another player for a terrible reason? " I don't like this at all. Taking myself out of this scenario entirely and putting practically anyone in my place, this comment seems more like a personal attack to your target than an actual read reasoning. Is there a reason why you can't be direct and to-the-point here?
"What do you mean by potential disagreements between hydra heads?" Replying to this, this question was mainly just to find reactions from people, as hydra disagreements are pretty much NAI. I didn't get anything indicative of scum, so I passed up on that, similar to my question directed at you at the beginning of the game.
"wrt filler that's completely fair, but why does her agreeing with what clara/caroline said impact your read on her in any way whatsoever?"
Because scum buddying town is a thing. And an easy thing as well. And a common thing.
'With his desire to "discuss with his partner"' ...Already explained this. Not going to do it again.
Will give an analysis on Emmy in a moment after reading back.
Ughhhh. If you know your reads are terrible, why did you make them? More activity talk as expected. If you feel pressured, you should be defending yourself instead of making horrible reads.
I also dont see how Cherry is making personal attacks, she is explaining what you are doing thats wrong, while you are calling Proctor a horrible player.
Shepherd D. wrote:Emmy- Overall, I don't like that fact that you're taking advantage of my minor slip-up last night. You don't have many scumreads, and as you're suddenly so concerned about me, you really seem desperate to find reads. Can you explain this sudden shift without using things you've already said? "Kimmy states Cherry has a dazzling plan. Kimmy has wall posts between page 10-16 which I will consider recent. Please. Do I really have to also scumread Jeremiah because my hydra thinks so." Wow,
hydra fight? As stated in my previous post, I don't think that hydra battles are alignment indicative, but I find it odd that the one thing you seem to agree on is scumreading me. Unless you're both just mentally linked, I feel that if, for instance, you were scum, it would make sense for one head to lynch me and the other head to realize "oh, this is an easy lynch, I'll stick with it." As this lacks concrete evidence I'm not using it as a scumtell, just pointing it out as I found it
somewhat suspicious. Then you go on to type a bulky paragraph... first off, "?????????????????????????????????????????????????????" unnecessary much? I feel like you can get your point across without spamming a row of question marks. And then after that, you seem to use this one paragraph I've written to completely shift your read on me. Wow, that was quick. And maybe even unnecessary!? You then go on to post the eye rolling emote, which honestly just seems more like a put-down to my
entire thought process than an actual piece of evidence. Now, I realize that in my last post I myself put down my previous statemtents, but I still find this tiny little tidbit unnecessary, though it's probably just me being nitpicky. And then you end your post by... changing the subject completely and mentioning that you can't read a post due to formatting? Wow! That's really important and totally not filler! I don't like any of this. If you'd like, I'll go back and get you all more
proof, but for now I think it's perfectly safe to lynch Emmy. I realize this was a quick shift, but frankly, now that I've actually taken some time to read, it makes sense. Feel free to poke me if you need to question anything. I'd be happy to find more proof for you.
First of all, Emmy literally made a large post explaining why she thought Jeremiah was scum earlier today. I dont see how you feel Emmy has no scumreads, especailly considering you originally lynched someone for being inactive.
Considering that myself, Caroline, and Cherry are all also on you, I wouldnt be too suprised to find that both Emmy's sr you too
What I'm getting from this post is that its an omgus lynch with the reasoning that emmy adds little unnessicary bits to her posts, which is bad reasoning
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Ok guys i wanted to apologize for my REALLY BADLY levels of activity. Today after work i'll sit over reread the game and post all my thoughts and stuff. This should be in about 12 hrs.
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Tbh i have no real excuse aside from myself just putting this off
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Damn the curse known as new games. Sucked up all my attention from this ;;
So anyways, did a light skim since it's like 15 minutes away from my designated sleeping time and just going to respond to some of the most notable things I've seen. More extensive responses in like 18 hours, prioritising questions directed to me if I'm unable to respond thoroughly then.
Halsey is in my lock-town pool here, he's been very clear about everything and I feel scum is better off being ambiguous, which he's not.
Vote Jeremiah
Not been liking this guy since EoD1, notably how he just feels incredibly passive, as well as has the easiest reasons for their votes. A few of their posts alerted me too, notably the one about their read on me which I'll elaborate on soon after this post.
I want to see more of Cherry and Doctor Proctor tbh, Doctor Proctor promised more activity, but Cherry just doesn't feel present at all so far.
Reading back on Emmy and Shepherd
So anyways, did a light skim since it's like 15 minutes away from my designated sleeping time and just going to respond to some of the most notable things I've seen. More extensive responses in like 18 hours, prioritising questions directed to me if I'm unable to respond thoroughly then.
Halsey is in my lock-town pool here, he's been very clear about everything and I feel scum is better off being ambiguous, which he's not.
Vote Jeremiah
Not been liking this guy since EoD1, notably how he just feels incredibly passive, as well as has the easiest reasons for their votes. A few of their posts alerted me too, notably the one about their read on me which I'll elaborate on soon after this post.
I want to see more of Cherry and Doctor Proctor tbh, Doctor Proctor promised more activity, but Cherry just doesn't feel present at all so far.
Reading back on Emmy and Shepherd
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Jeremiah W. wrote:Putting my reads out now since I haven't openly discussed my feelings on many of the people in this game thus far.
Clara: Slight activity drop early, but that was mostly due to there being 10 pages of posts by the 30th hour of day 1. She had fairly logical analysis in her first set of reads, but her scumread on Halsey felt sort of forced, like she was picking on anything that would make him seem scummy. Emmy brought up her multiple interpretations of how much of the game she thought Halsey read, when I feel like the point that was being brought up in the post she referenced was that the sheer volume of Emmy's posts overshadowed Cherry's in their discussion, which left Halsey with a scum lean on Cherry after reading through. I don't see the argument that he hadn't read through the entire game as accurate, and although it would make more sense I also don't think he simply read through only the first half either. She also left Kimmy and I as null reads at the same point, and later explained that "I dont have a clear read on whether they are town or scum". Looking back, it kind of feels like she picked one of us to scumread and landed on Halsey after seeing his "weird posts". Her more recent posts paint him in a better light, and it feels like she's stepping back from what was a fairly hard scumread. Neutral, leaning scum, she had a fair but bland analysis on Emmy and Cherry, and has ignored Kimmy and I as well as the other inactives to target Halsey, and then threw in Infernado as a lynch candidate after Halsey began to defend himself.
Halsey: Most of what he posted early day 1 has been thoroughly discussed, so I'm going to focus mostly on his recent posts. He likes to go into immense detail on everybody's posting styles and pressure/question people about how they are interacting with other players. His large posts have been a massive source of activity for this game, and he's doing a good job of holding people accountable for their reads/remarks about other players. His calling out of Cherry's lynch logic is valid, as I will discuss in her read, and as a whole his analysis of the game has been logical and fair, while also being extremely detailed. Leaning town, great reads/source of activity following a concerning entry into the game originally.
Shepherd: RVS lynch. RVS unlynch. Redundant fruit discussion. Inactivity. Null read, I can't get a read on someone who never posts, much less two people.
Anima: One of her main posts of interest were her suggestion of a chain of fruit passes, of which I think she was one of the first to mention, so that is a point in her favor. However, the other post was about 5 steps backwards, as she comes from a spell of inactivity to ask for an update on who everyone suspects without adding any input of her own, then disappears again, only to return to people lynching her and asking for an explanation for her lurking inactivity, to which she responds, "?". Her post content is severely lacking, as her only real contribution was to theme based strategy, and she has not done any scumhunting of her own while practically asking the rest of the game to do so for her. Leaning scum, not much post content to go off, but not responding well to pressure at all.Jeremiah W. wrote:On day 1, I think people are still trying to get accustomed to the game and tend to say or do things that can be interpreted as a scumslip. When people don't have much to go off of, they latch to these small bits of info and pressure them on it, and sometimes the player will respond poorly or simply go inactive and not respond at all, and then we have a dead townie day 1. When I referred to the day 1 lynch as a roll of that dice, that's what I meant by it.
A player like Anima is what I was referring to here. As of now, it seems likely that she will be lynched today, and there's a good chance statistically that she's simply a townie who fell behind and made an attempt to get caught up on the game that was viewed as scummy, and responded to the pressure poorly. Obviously the chance exists that she is indeed a scum that just played a very poor day 1, but that usually isn't the case.
Caroline: Her recent discussion about Halsey's earlier posts have some good insights about how the hydra aspect of the game might impact how we view his sudden flip from scumread to townread. Before that, she was primarily discussing the logistics of fruit passing trains, and made certain points that I would almost expect scum not to mention in hopes that nobody else would bring up (wifom, I know). Her talks about how lists should be randomised and by whom all gave off serious town vibes. Her analysis of other players thus far has been, dare I say it, dazzling. Town, everything she does seems to be in an attempt to bring town closer to finding the scum.
Dr Proctor: Hasn't posted much yet, but he said that "in about 16 hours or so" he'll make a post about his thoughts. Im horrible at interpreting this forum's time system, but I think it has been about 18 hours since his post at the time I am typing this. Neutral, leaning scum, waiting on his thoughts to be posted, but a sheer lack of contribution so far.
Emmy: She has been actively involved in practically every discussion in this game, and like Caroline she seems committed to leading discussion towards town catching the scum. Her recent reads all have sound logic, and follow up nicely on her individual analysis of other players. She is one of the main reasons that this game is already pushing 12 pages of content on day 1, and much of it is meaningful discussion. Town, her commitment to analyzing this game is far greater than the average player (possibly supplemented by the hydra setup).
Infernando: Practically zero content, and yet this hydra still finds something to disagree with himself on. Practically no original contributions despite apparently viewing the forum everyday. Neutral, lack of content, lack of direction since the two heads can't seem to agree on one thing, despite only 6 posts during the game thus far. Pre edit: he seems to be reading through and responding now at the very least, which is a good sign.
Kimmy: His scumhunting seems to be strictly in a black and white sense, where everything is either scum or town. He just got offline as I am typing this, and is absolutely convinced that Anima is mafia. The problem with this game is that nothing can be black and white until AJ announces it as so. Until someone is revealed to be a certain role by a definite confirmation, there is still at least a minute chance that they are not that role. This thinking can be seen in his initial read that Halsey had contributed nothing and that he was extremely scummy, and now sees him as a misunderstood town. Neutral, leaning scum, his black and white view on everything just rubs me the wrong way.
Cherry: I've discussed most of her posts in detail already, but Halsey called her out on something recently that caught my attention. I had come to terms with her reasons for lynching Halsey and I, as the reasons that were being presented at the time made sense. Halsey's recent post regarding her lynches calls her out for a lack of consistency between the reasons for her lynch at the time of lynching versus her reasons at the time of unlynching. When she switched her lynch to Halsey from me, it was because she perceived him as the scummier player at the time. However, she didn't lynch Anima when she saw Anima's actions as scummy later on, and had dismissed her scumread on me entirely. From rereading her posts again, I get the feeling that one Cherry user was responsible for lynching me and then lynching Halsey, and the other Cherry user is responsible for the Halsey unlynch and Anima scumread. This is due to the playstyle of the Cherry who lynched the scummiest person at the time not lining up with the recent actions of the account in the game. This may account for the inconsistencies that Halsey pointed out, and explain why Cherry seems to be constantly defending her reads. Neutral, much of her game has been spent defending her early reads, and she has yet to really scumread much, at one point generalizing most of the game as "scumleans"
At this point in the game, my biggest townread is Caroline, and Anima's recent lurking and apparent refusal to defend herself has her as my biggest scumread.
Here, he just someone just throws out a bunch of non-commital reads and stuff and just threw out some weak stuff at people.
The others can deal with their own cases, so in response to your case on me, I don't think hunting in black & white has scum intent, after all, everyone is either Town or Mafia, there's no in between line. What thinking are you referring to when you said "...was extremely scummy...now is misunderstood town"? You built all that up about me being "absolutely convinced that Anima is scum" and "black & white view", which implies you think I will refuse to change my stance on things, then you go on to quote something that seemingly goes against what you said? On top of that, you threw in a
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I have a lot to say about Jeremiah but too tired to type it all out right now, will do it when I'm a little more awake
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i'm confused, do you mean today (in which case you're correct), my posts overall (in which case you're obviously wrong), or eod1? eod1 i was questioning halsey, then once dl actually hit I was obsessed with the fruit because I wanted to make sure that the plan didn't get messed up (even though it still did -_-). If mafia HAD sent in a kill and people messed up, the entire fruiting strategy would have been wasted, which is why I was putting so much emphasis on it.Emmy A. wrote:
First of all, Cherry P. seemed like they defended themselves nicely, but recently (I did a small ISO to check) all their talk is about the fruiting system and what to do. While the fruiting system is a pretty big mechanic to help provoke scumhunting, the obsession (last 20ish posts were just about this) makes it seem alot like filler "try to seem active". I have no doubts that this player (seems like there is only one of them, the other seems really inactive) will stop with the "fruit filler (ill call it that)" and actually give opinions that aren't about fruit, but I would prefer that to be now since it is day 2.
I meant this day and eod1. Seemed like you defended yourself and then decided there was no threat, and just started fillering. Sure you put emphasis, but realize the fact that spamming it doesn't help, and when your only activity is "fruit filler", it grows to be suspicious.
do you mean halsey? If i have a plan i was not aware of it O_OEmmy A. wrote:
As for Kimmy who recently posted a bunch of wallposts (please why so much reading...), most of all I see is criticizing Cherry's "dazzling" plan, and I honestly do not see anything else of value.
I forget tbh, it was just whoever was in context. I'm pretty sure you talked about a "dazzling" plan somewhere around page 6, so I thought it was you. (Ask Kimmy S., tbh.)
it's entirely possible for scum to just idle their fruit and pretend that they were confused (infernando apparently didn't idle though), so I would highly advise that you don't tr people like infernando and shepherd because they didn't send fruit to someone.Emmy A. wrote:
I'd also like to point out I think Infernado is town, unless they purposefully tried to throw off town via. not killing + not fruiting. Seems like a weird concept, and I guess it is plausible, but for now slight TR just because I don't really think they would idle fruit as scum (just my thought). I would like them to talk more without a bunch of filler though because currently, I don't see anything.
Yes, I realized that a couple of hours after I sent that post, and I guess it is possible for scum to idle their fruit and not kill.
Comments in italic/bold, not sure how it will work.
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stop ignoring things people are saying on youShepherd D. wrote:I have a lot to say about Jeremiah but too tired to type it all out right now, will do it when I'm a little more awake
What happened to scumreading proctor, infernando, and Emmy?
Now you have alot to say on Jeremiah too?
It really seems you are desperate to put the pressure on someone else, and now you havfe an oppurtunity to bw on a counterwagon
I still want to see your thoughts on Jeremiah though
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Re: Game 32: Farmer's Hydra
Shepherd D. wrote:Emmy- Overall, I don't like that fact that you're taking advantage of my minor slip-up last night. You don't have many scumreads, and as you're suddenly so concerned about me, you really seem desperate to find reads. Can you explain this sudden shift without using things you've already said? "Kimmy states Cherry has a dazzling plan. Kimmy has wall posts between page 10-16 which I will consider recent. Please. Do I really have to also scumread Jeremiah because my hydra thinks so." Wow,
hydra fight? As stated in my previous post, I don't think that hydra battles are alignment indicative, but I find it odd that the one thing you seem to agree on is scumreading me. Unless you're both just mentally linked, I feel that if, for instance, you were scum, it would make sense for one head to lynch me and the other head to realize "oh, this is an easy lynch, I'll stick with it." As this lacks concrete evidence I'm not using it as a scumtell, just pointing it out as I found it
somewhat suspicious. Then you go on to type a bulky paragraph... first off, "?????????????????????????????????????????????????????" unnecessary much? I feel like you can get your point across without spamming a row of question marks. And then after that, you seem to use this one paragraph I've written to completely shift your read on me. Wow, that was quick. And maybe even unnecessary!? You then go on to post the eye rolling emote, which honestly just seems more like a put-down to my
entire thought process than an actual piece of evidence. Now, I realize that in my last post I myself put down my previous statemtents, but I still find this tiny little tidbit unnecessary, though it's probably just me being nitpicky. And then you end your post by... changing the subject completely and mentioning that you can't read a post due to formatting? Wow! That's really important and totally not filler! I don't like any of this. If you'd like, I'll go back and get you all more
proof, but for now I think it's perfectly safe to lynch Emmy. I realize this was a quick shift, but frankly, now that I've actually taken some time to read, it makes sense. Feel free to poke me if you need to question anything. I'd be happy to find more proof for you.
Akem, if you have read my small readlist, it states three scumreads. There are two mafia. What else do you expect? Not sure how im "desperate" at trying to find reads.
I am not the same person as my hydra, and therefore I can have different opinions if I want to. This is one of the cases.
What. Your reasoning doesn't even make sense. Iirc, my other head was on Jeremiah before you. Not sure if they SRed you, but I know that they certainly were not on you. I don't understand, please elaborate.
Why do you think it is unnecessary, and why do you care.
That was the end of that section. My read shift with the entirety of what I said, not that one sole phrase. Also, how is it unnecessary? You don't make sense. Why is it unnecessary for me to lynch my scumread?
Sorry to break it to ya, but your thought process is lynch the inactives. Not sure why I can't put-down it down.
How did I change the subject? My thoughts were already stated. And now your attacking me on filler, which is insane. It's not my fault the way you made your post was just filled with italic and bold, and made it impossible to read.
but for now I think it's perfectly safe to [b]lynch Emmy[/b]. I realize this was a quick shift, but frankly, now that I've actually taken some time to read, it makes sense. Feel free to poke me if you need to question anything. I'd be happy to find more proof for you. wrote:
Let see the "proof". What you've brought up so far makes no sense. You read me off a "quick shift", as well as "filler", all things that you over exaggerate way too much. Also, I like how you don't really read what I say, but instead how I say it.
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Re: Game 32: Farmer's Hydra
...What happened to my quotes...
Going to fix that wtf
Going to fix that wtf
Emmy A.- Posts : 147
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Re: Game 32: Farmer's Hydra
Emmy A. wrote:Shepherd D. wrote:Emmy- Overall, I don't like that fact that you're taking advantage of my minor slip-up last night. You don't have many scumreads, and as you're suddenly so concerned about me, you really seem desperate to find reads. Can you explain this sudden shift without using things you've already said? "Kimmy states Cherry has a dazzling plan. Kimmy has wall posts between page 10-16 which I will consider recent. Please. Do I really have to also scumread Jeremiah because my hydra thinks so." Wow,
hydra fight? As stated in my previous post, I don't think that hydra battles are alignment indicative, but I find it odd that the one thing you seem to agree on is scumreading me. Unless you're both just mentally linked, I feel that if, for instance, you were scum, it would make sense for one head to lynch me and the other head to realize "oh, this is an easy lynch, I'll stick with it." As this lacks concrete evidence I'm not using it as a scumtell, just pointing it out as I found it
somewhat suspicious. Then you go on to type a bulky paragraph... first off, "?????????????????????????????????????????????????????" unnecessary much? I feel like you can get your point across without spamming a row of question marks. And then after that, you seem to use this one paragraph I've written to completely shift your read on me. Wow, that was quick. And maybe even unnecessary!? You then go on to post the eye rolling emote, which honestly just seems more like a put-down to my
entire thought process than an actual piece of evidence. Now, I realize that in my last post I myself put down my previous statemtents, but I still find this tiny little tidbit unnecessary, though it's probably just me being nitpicky. And then you end your post by... changing the subject completely and mentioning that you can't read a post due to formatting? Wow! That's really important and totally not filler! I don't like any of this. If you'd like, I'll go back and get you all more
proof, but for now I think it's perfectly safe to lynch Emmy. I realize this was a quick shift, but frankly, now that I've actually taken some time to read, it makes sense. Feel free to poke me if you need to question anything. I'd be happy to find more proof for you.You don't have many scumreads, and as you're suddenly so concerned about me, you really seem desperate to find reads. wrote:
Akem, if you have read my small readlist, it states three scumreads. There are two mafia. What else do you expect? Not sure how im "desperate" at trying to find reads.Can you explain this sudden shift without using things you've already said? wrote:
I am not the same person as my hydra, and therefore I can have different opinions if I want to. This is one of the cases.Unless you're both just mentally linked, I feel that if, for instance, you were scum, it would make sense for one head to lynch me and the other head to realize "oh, this is an easy lynch, I'll stick with it." As this lacks concrete evidence I'm not using it as a scumtell, just pointing it out as I found it somewhat suspicious. wrote:
What. Your reasoning doesn't even make sense. Iirc, my other head was on Jeremiah before you. Not sure if they SRed you, but I know that they certainly were not on you. I don't understand, please elaborate.Then you go on to type a bulky paragraph... first off, "?????????????????????????????????????????????????????" unnecessary much? wrote:
Why do you think it is unnecessary, and why do you care.And then after that, you seem to use this one paragraph I've written to completely shift your read on me. Wow, that was quick. And maybe even unnecessary!? wrote:
That was the end of that section. My read shift with the entirety of what I said, not that one sole phrase. Also, how is it unnecessary? You don't make sense. Why is it unnecessary for me to lynch my scumread?You then go on to post the eye rolling emote, which honestly just seems more like a put-down to my entire thought process than an actual piece of evidence. wrote:
Sorry to break it to ya, but your thought process is lynch the inactives. Not sure why I can't put-down it down.And then you end your post by... changing the subject completely and mentioning that you can't read a post due to formatting? Wow! That's really important and totally not filler! I don't like any of this. wrote:
How did I change the subject? My thoughts were already stated. And now your attacking me on filler, which is insane. It's not my fault the way you made your post was just filled with italic and bold, and made it impossible to read.but for now I think it's perfectly safe to [b]lynch Emmy[/b]. I realize this was a quick shift, but frankly, now that I've actually taken some time to read, it makes sense. Feel free to poke me if you need to question anything. I'd be happy to find more proof for you. wrote:
Let see the "proof". What you've brought up so far makes no sense. You read me off a "quick shift", as well as "filler", all things that you over exaggerate way too much. Also, I like how you don't really read what I say, but instead how I say it.
Fixed the quoting.
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Re: Game 32: Farmer's Hydra
Clara H. wrote:stop ignoring things people are saying on youShepherd D. wrote:I have a lot to say about Jeremiah but too tired to type it all out right now, will do it when I'm a little more awake
What happened to scumreading proctor, infernando, and Emmy?
Now you have alot to say on Jeremiah too?
It really seems you are desperate to put the pressure on someone else, and now you havfe an oppurtunity to bw on a counterwagon
I still want to see your thoughts on Jeremiah though
Still haven't typed it out yet, but why are you so quick to assume that I scumread Jeremiah? I'm actually getting more of a town vibe from Jeremiah (will explain later).
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Re: Game 32: Farmer's Hydra
Hi. Just a quick post commenting on what happened so far:
1) I did receive fruit last night.
1.5) I just realized Jeremiah's purple "hair" is actually not his hair and is a skuntank.
2) I didn't comment on Anima much because reading back I felt that Jeremiah, Cherry and Halsey were more discussed about. I didn't have time to comment on everyone so I just picked the few that I believed were the topic of discussion. I may have missed Anima due to her lack of posts or the fact that I put a bit more effort reading the early game where Anima wasn't discussed much yet.
3) I don't like Shepherd's lynch on me at all. Not only is he overly concerned about the activity today for some reason, that post was just not well explained. He made a few vague points but did not elaborate. He also asked whether [Emmy] received fruit or not, when Emmy already said that she did. Firstly, I don't really understand why he need to ask that question: if [Emmy] didn't receive fruit, would I be scummier? It felt out of place and I'm not sure if he is just stating it or actually using it as a reason for scumhunting. Secondly, Emmy already stated to have receive fruit; so I am not sure whether he accidentally miss this or just lynching without checking the facts. Also he didn't give a read on Jeremiah (and possibly others) in that post, which I think had enough activity.
4) Shepherd proceeded to quote 2 posts of mine but didn't acknowledge the reads I made, which was definitely not filler. His unlynching was weird mainly because it felt more like he was pressured to do so rather than coming from his free-will. He admitted that he isn't pushing in much thoughts which I think is scummy; from my experiences, scum are more "pressured" to put something out when they are asked by town members at the cost of the quality (aka quantity > quality whereas town tends to be quality > quantity).
4.5) Can we please fix the formatting so it looks nice and easy to read n_n
5) Jeremiah asked Kimmy whether he got two fruits, but of course, even in that case it would not be informed. I think this emphasized the fact that Jeremiah just skim through the game without reading much or putting much effort into strategies like I mentioned in my post yesterday.
So this is what I got for now, will comment on others later. Peace.
1) I did receive fruit last night.
1.5) I just realized Jeremiah's purple "hair" is actually not his hair and is a skuntank.
2) I didn't comment on Anima much because reading back I felt that Jeremiah, Cherry and Halsey were more discussed about. I didn't have time to comment on everyone so I just picked the few that I believed were the topic of discussion. I may have missed Anima due to her lack of posts or the fact that I put a bit more effort reading the early game where Anima wasn't discussed much yet.
3) I don't like Shepherd's lynch on me at all. Not only is he overly concerned about the activity today for some reason, that post was just not well explained. He made a few vague points but did not elaborate. He also asked whether [Emmy] received fruit or not, when Emmy already said that she did. Firstly, I don't really understand why he need to ask that question: if [Emmy] didn't receive fruit, would I be scummier? It felt out of place and I'm not sure if he is just stating it or actually using it as a reason for scumhunting. Secondly, Emmy already stated to have receive fruit; so I am not sure whether he accidentally miss this or just lynching without checking the facts. Also he didn't give a read on Jeremiah (and possibly others) in that post, which I think had enough activity.
4) Shepherd proceeded to quote 2 posts of mine but didn't acknowledge the reads I made, which was definitely not filler. His unlynching was weird mainly because it felt more like he was pressured to do so rather than coming from his free-will. He admitted that he isn't pushing in much thoughts which I think is scummy; from my experiences, scum are more "pressured" to put something out when they are asked by town members at the cost of the quality (aka quantity > quality whereas town tends to be quality > quantity).
4.5) Can we please fix the formatting so it looks nice and easy to read n_n
5) Jeremiah asked Kimmy whether he got two fruits, but of course, even in that case it would not be informed. I think this emphasized the fact that Jeremiah just skim through the game without reading much or putting much effort into strategies like I mentioned in my post yesterday.
So this is what I got for now, will comment on others later. Peace.
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