Game 15: Modified Execution

Numaji O. wrote:Whoa dem posts tho, way to make them flashy with all that colour and stuff.

Inactives are quite problematic with solidifying reads and scumteams and stuff. I mean we can always ask AJ to sub them out. However I am not sure if AJ will do it since they arent totally inactive (except maybe Jack).

And yeah, I do think The Instructor is scummy. But i am not entirely convinced that he is mafia. His playstyle just doesnt make sense and seems way too scummy and bizarre to be mafia.

The Instructor wrote:ok so

morita: gentleman, instructor, shakuji
me: zane, victoria, jack
victoria: wont say
shakuji: The Gentleman, Kuroyo, The Instructor, or Jack
zane: The Instructor The Gentleman and Numaji
numaji: ignored my post or missed it
jack s: hasnt posted yet
The Gentleman: ^^
Kuroyo C. ^^

i cant tell if victoria just doesnt know or is just stopping me from getting info, kinda the same with numaji. Shakuji kinda just picked the inactives but he really didnt give me a straight answer. Obviously zane picked me but why the gentleman over jack s or kuroyo? same with morita.

The Instructor wrote:opps missed that post. your post is good enough for me.

Whats there to defend? Hey you are scummy! ok how the fuck can you legitimately come up with a defense against that. The first 2 days i was busy so i wasnt inactive but i should be good for the rest of the game btw.

so for my reasoning, just look at victoria's post. shes trying hard to make it look like shes adding shit to the convo but isnt really.

"I genuinely didn't understand the first half, so thanks for that explanation at the end. xD
I genuinely didn't think of it that way. Still though, doesn't prevent it from being a possibility. Honestly though, as with you spelling Morita's name wrong, I'm pretty sure it's a possibility I'm gonna disregard unless it would be useful information.""

"If they both go against each other so heavily, and one of them gets shot and is mafia, it'll seem like the other one is clear. I didn't say it was a 100% thing, but you have to analyse every possible outcome, and try your best to only keep the probable ones in mind, unless such a situation should demand that a seemingly improbable outcome be used as evidence."

just tons of these wishy washy posts. she seems to always respond to zane. voted zane to get the gun. she said that inactiveness =/= scuminess but is that just a cover for her partner? also she is insisting zane is town when theres no real evidence that goes either way. Now i added zane as her partner because of this. Now for the last partner, its probably an inactive person. Zane seemed mad that i said that the gentleman was giving off a town read the day before so thats not his partner. That leaves jack and kuyori. toss up but i thought jack was just more scummy.

Also if you havent noticed the zane x victoria, heres some posts.

"Victoria F.(0)-
Everything she has said has given me a townie impression of her. She has been fairly active esp. D2. She is also willing to look at everything and consider all the possibilities which is a plus. I dont see how anyone could see her as scummy" - zane

"Game 15: Modified Execution
If I'm not gonna lie, I'd rather shoot Numaji. But if he does turn out to be town, I wouldn't want to shoot such an active towny. I know that it was pretty much my day 1 plan, but activity seems to be rare in this game, so I've changed my mind.
Doesn't mean I trust you though, Numaji. ;D'" - id rather shoot numaji than my partner - victoria

"I feel like Zane is more town-y than people give him credit for. Sure, he hasn't said a lot, but he's been able to give pretty valid reasoning as to why. I'm still gonna put him down as null, until I can watch what he's doing a bit more.
There's something weird about Numaji. I just see him as a really good candidate for being scum, like, genuinely. Sure, he says town stuff, but he also has these weird things, such as the fact that he's suddenly so aggressive towards Zane. OK, sure, I can understand why people might bu suspicious of Zane and everything, but still. Also the way he spelled Morita's name wrong a few times, and then Morita corrected it. I'm not gonna do anything with that information, but I'm gonna keep it. The only problem with this is that he hasn't actually done anything scummy, it's more that I've got some sort of weird sense from him." - victoria

Morita I. wrote:

Numaji O. wrote:

Victoria F. wrote:

Numaji O. wrote:Victoria its interesting to think that Zane and The Instructor could just be a scumteam making this argument just so that people dont suspect them together. However what I dont understand is why would they try to arouse suspicion over each other? I mean lets be honest, if Zane wanted to look clear in front of town (assuming they were a scumteam) he would have just shot him already. Targetting him doesnt actually get him very far throught posts because its not exactly scumhunting, its just pointing out the obvious and making it more intense. Also if they are a scumteam and they have planned this, surely Zane must have told The Instructor to reply with legit arguments so that people like Victoria dont start sniffing them out. So maybe one of them is scum, but a scumteam? I highly doubt it.

If they both go against each other so heavily, and one of them gets shot and is mafia, it'll seem like the other one is clear. I didn't say it was a 100% thing, but you have to analyse every possible outcome, and try your best to only keep the probable ones in mind, unless such a situation should demand that a seemingly improbable outcome be used as evidence.

As I said, even if they go against each other so heavily, the person that wasnt shot doesnt really seem clear. If The Instructor was shot and flips mafia, people wouldnt really think of Zane as clear just because of that. It was stating the obvious to say that he is scum so people would still have the assumption that Zane could still be scum. However it could be a different story if Zane was shot and flipped scum because Zane is more active and everyone else would automatically think that The Instructor is more town. I explained this really poorly but hopefully you understand what I am trying to say. I mean lets say that you have been quite scummy throughout the game and you scumhunted an active person correctly, wouldnt you say that he is quite town? But then lets look on the flip side. Lets say you have been quite active and most people think of you as town anyway and you scumhunt an inactive person correctly, surely everyone would just be like "that was obvious, doesn't really confirm anything, it could all be a trick".

To be honest, I was a little suspicious when the whole Zanevs.Numaji thing suddenly died out. It was almost as if they steamed things up between eachother and then just let go of it. I don't find either of them scummy individually, but if they were a scum team, I wouldnt be surprised. Only because if they are, they probably played an act but didnt want the other to seem too scummy so just dropped it the next day. But in the case that one is shot, the other can say "I told you guys he was scum."

^ Just a theory. I won't look into it much now but maybe if required later.

The Instructor wrote:ok so

morita: gentleman, instructor, shakuji
me: zane, victoria, jack
victoria: wont say
shakuji: The Gentleman, Kuroyo, The Instructor, or Jack
zane: The Instructor The Gentleman and Numaji
numaji: ignored my post or missed it
jack s: hasnt posted yet
The Gentleman: ^^
Kuroyo C. ^^

i cant tell if victoria just doesnt know or is just stopping me from getting info, kinda the same with numaji. Shakuji kinda just picked the inactives but he really didnt give me a straight answer. Obviously zane picked me but why the gentleman over jack s or kuroyo? same with morita.

The Instructor wrote:opps missed that post. your post is good enough for me.

1. Whats there to defend? Hey you are scummy! ok how the fuck can you legitimately come up with a defense against that. 2. The first 2 days i was busy so i wasnt inactive but i should be good for the rest of the game btw.

3. so for my reasoning, just look at victoria's post. shes trying hard to make it look like shes adding shit to the convo but isnt really.

"I genuinely didn't understand the first half, so thanks for that explanation at the end. xD
I genuinely didn't think of it that way. Still though, doesn't prevent it from being a possibility. Honestly though, as with you spelling Morita's name wrong, I'm pretty sure it's a possibility I'm gonna disregard unless it would be useful information.""

"If they both go against each other so heavily, and one of them gets shot and is mafia, it'll seem like the other one is clear. I didn't say it was a 100% thing, but you have to analyse every possible outcome, and try your best to only keep the probable ones in mind, unless such a situation should demand that a seemingly improbable outcome be used as evidence."

4. just tons of these wishy washy posts. she seems to always respond to zane. voted zane to get the gun. she said that inactiveness =/= scuminess but is that just a cover for her partner? also she is insisting zane is town when theres no real evidence that goes either way. Now i added zane as her partner because of this. Now for the last partner, its probably an inactive person. Zane seemed mad that i said that the gentleman was giving off a town read the day before so thats not his partner. That leaves jack and kuyori. toss up but i thought jack was just more scummy.

Also if you havent noticed the zane x victoria, heres some posts.

"Victoria F.(0)-
Everything she has said has given me a townie impression of her. She has been fairly active esp. D2. She is also willing to look at everything and consider all the possibilities which is a plus. I dont see how anyone could see her as scummy" - zane

"Game 15: Modified Execution
If I'm not gonna lie, I'd rather shoot Numaji. But if he does turn out to be town, I wouldn't want to shoot such an active towny. I know that it was pretty much my day 1 plan, but activity seems to be rare in this game, so I've changed my mind.
Doesn't mean I trust you though, Numaji. ;D'" - id rather shoot numaji than my partner - victoria

"I feel like Zane is more town-y than people give him credit for. Sure, he hasn't said a lot, but he's been able to give pretty valid reasoning as to why. I'm still gonna put him down as null, until I can watch what he's doing a bit more.
There's something weird about Numaji. I just see him as a really good candidate for being scum, like, genuinely. Sure, he says town stuff, but he also has these weird things, such as the fact that he's suddenly so aggressive towards Zane. OK, sure, I can understand why people might bu suspicious of Zane and everything, but still. Also the way he spelled Morita's name wrong a few times, and then Morita corrected it. I'm not gonna do anything with that information, but I'm gonna keep it. The only problem with this is that he hasn't actually done anything scummy, it's more that I've got some sort of weird sense from him." - victoria

Morita I. wrote:

Numaji O. wrote:Whoa dem posts tho, way to make them flashy with all that colour and stuff.

Inactives are quite problematic with solidifying reads and scumteams and stuff. I mean we can always ask AJ to sub them out. However I am not sure if AJ will do it since they arent totally inactive (except maybe Jack).

And yeah, I do think The Instructor is scummy. But i am not entirely convinced that he is mafia. His playstyle just doesnt make sense and seems way too scummy and bizarre to be mafia.

Like I mentioned before, I don't think the instructor seems like the type of person to play like that. I mean, just read his posts again and you'd understand what I mean.

Morita I. wrote:No, I meant, I feel he could be scum. But I don think he is acting scummy on purpose hoping someone would think why you think. He doesn't seem like the type of person to think that far into it