Game 13: Protect Wisely!

Also I'm still gonna keep lynching Sayuri, can't change my mind.

Votecount 1.4
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Gan Gogh(4)- McKenzie Q., Ogata R., Sakie H., Temaku T.
Lilian P.(2)- The Gligarman, Gan Gogh
The Gligarman(1)- Lilian P.
Sakie H.(1)- Sayuri K.
Ogata R.(0)-
Temaku T.(0)-
Georgio F.(0)-
Kazuchi O.(0)-
Forrester C.(0)-
Sayuri K.(0)-
Izuna D.(0)-
McKenzie Q.(0)-
Not Voting(4)- Georgio F., Kazuchi O., Forrester C., Izuna D.
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There are 12 alive so it takes 7 to hammer. Plurality applies.
Deadline is Sunday the 25th at 9pm EST.

If the deadline was now, Gan Gogh would be lynched.

Gan Gogh was lynched!

he was a...:

Night 1 Commence! Deadline is two days from now, on Tuesday at 9pm EST.

Forrester C. the Modified Doctor was killed!

Day 2 Commence!

Votecount 2.0
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Lilian P.(0)-
The Gligarman(0)-
Sakie H.(0)-
Ogata R.(0)-
Temaku T.(0)-
Georgio F.(0)-
Kazuchi O.(0)-
Sayuri K.(0)-
Izuna D.(0)-
McKenzie Q.(0)-
Not Voting(10)- Georgio F., Kazuchi O., Izuna D., McKenzie Q., Ogata R., Sakie H., Temaku T., The Gligarman, Sayuri K., Lilian P.
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There are 10 alive so it takes 6 to hammer. Plurality applies.
Deadline is Monday the 2nd at 9pm EST.

If the deadline was now, Lilian P. would be lynched.

...well.
I can't say I expected that.
I was also wrong about last day... i'm not exactly confident in my reads anymore =/
anyone else have thoughts?

Pretty much my only lead is someone on that initial Gan Gogh wagon is mafia.

Sayuri K. wrote:Pretty much my only lead is someone on that initial Gan Gogh wagon is mafia.

You're probably right. I'm gonna go back and read, and I'll have a suspect posted later today. Don't really have time right now. @_@

A couple of things I think need to be cleared up from yesterday:

- Why do Gligarman and Lilian hate each other

- What my "unjustified attacks" were that Gligarman didn't like

Why stay with just one thing, ask for more info and left answers sing! Lillian and Gligar were surely both loud, but also I remembered two others arguing in the crowd. I will look and I will see, and find who the two I think of might be.

Lilian P. wrote:Hey I did notice Gligarman said he was Scumhunting after a couple of players unlynched, doesn't that seem a little fishy. Couldn't gligarman and those unlynchers be mafia

The Gligarman wrote:Lilian you mentioned that already like you REALLY want to pin that down on my and get me lynched. That, to use your own words, is fishy.

lynch Lilian P.

This looks like the start of this fight, though more anger be there might.

The posts I thought of were simply a mistake. It was Sayuri and Gan Gogh, one whose death could not be fake. But also in my search I have found to scummy lines by the same man, and while I'm not blaming him the scumminess does not make me a fan.

The Gligarman wrote:Err, I'm trying to push attention away from me because I feel like I've made an error somewhere and I don't know how to fix it lol and I'd rather not get lynched because I am THE GLIGARMAN, HERO OF TOWN

While yes this did come from the joke stage of town, the first part of this really makes me frown. You outright say, that you're pushing attention away. Is this not a good tactic for scum, or is this worse to me than it looks to some?

The Gligarman wrote:While Sayuri may have genuinely defended people, her attacks on me come off as rather scummy and unjustified.

This is was when she was arguing with Gan Gogh, and Gligarman was nowhere near her as a foe. She was not lynching him but yet he calls her out, saying she defends everyone else, but him, so he must pout.



Does this mean he is not our true hero? Maybe another player can read this and if my idea is a ten, or a zero

Gan Gogh(4)- McKenzie Q., Ogata R., Sakie H., Temaku T.

obviously i know im not mafia. so that leaves these 3. i feel one of the mafia didn't vote so that leaves

Not Voting(4)- Georgio F., Kazuchi O., Forrester C., Izuna D.

forrester is dead. leaving one of those 3.

though im not completely sold on sayu, defending a villager who is going to get lynch to "prove" that she is innocent could be possibility.

McKenzie Q. wrote:Gan Gogh(4)- McKenzie Q., Ogata R., Sakie H., Temaku T.

obviously i know im not mafia. so that leaves these 3. i feel one of the mafia didn't vote so that leaves

Not Voting(4)- Georgio F., Kazuchi O., Forrester C., Izuna D.

forrester is dead. leaving one of those 3.

though im not completely sold on sayu, defending a villager who is going to get lynch to "prove" that she is innocent could be possibility.

Sayuri K. wrote:

Izuna D. wrote:I'll tell you why because I share the same opinion.

If you were defending a Townie, you wouldn't really share such strong opinion on unlynching Gan Gogh on page 7 of this game.

The only reason I can think of that you'd do that is
1) If he was your Mafia partner- which could be the case since this is vanilla
2) If you REALLY don't want a townie to get lynched D1, which at least in this case isn't what we want to do since, after all, it is D1 and we can afford to take risks.
3) Unless you just don't like random lynching. Get used to it.

Why does everyone have this idea in their head that I don't want Gan Gogh to be lynched? I never said we shouldn't lynch him. Read through as much as you want, but you'll never see me say that. At the time, Gan Gogh was getting bandwagoned hard. If he got lynched quickly and flipped townie, we get very little info, and we've just wasted a day.

I've already explained this to Sakie, Izuna now, too. but apparently I still need to clarify, because people see what they want to see.

Will people pay attention and realize I was stopping a bandwagon, and not defending Gan Gogh? Or will Sayuri be forever haunted by people who won't look at something painfully obvious? Find out next time on Dragonball Z!

whats wrong with a day 1 bandwagon

McKenzie Q. wrote:whats wrong with a day 1 bandwagon

The simple act of bandwagoning itself on day 1 isn't the problem, it's actually hammering someone through a bandwagon on day 1 at the beginning of the day.
What Sayuri was saying is that it's a really stupid idea to bandwagon-hammer someone for absolutely no reason AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY.

Oops forgot to say that that's not a good thing to do because then we're wasting all of the other time allotted to us at the start of the day

So now after on day 1 noone was judging anyone completely about their lynches, everyone who random lynched (how sure can you [i]really[i] be on day 1?) Gan Gogh is now a possible mafia. Honestly, even the people who weren't on that bandwagon were pretty okay with it. Also, wouldn't it make more sense for the mafia to avoid early bandwagons? Hammering a day 1 vote isn't really a do or die situation. Sorry for rambling, it's just that most of you made a complete 180 from your thought processes yesterday, and it's those people that I suspect the most.

nuu italics fail

Sakie H. wrote:So now after on day 1 noone was judging anyone completely about their lynches, everyone who random lynched (how sure can you [i]really[i] be on day 1?) Gan Gogh is now a possible mafia. Honestly, even the people who weren't on that bandwagon were pretty okay with it.  Also, wouldn't it make more sense for the mafia to avoid early bandwagons?  Hammering a day 1 vote isn't really a do or die situation.  Sorry for rambling, it's just that most of you made a complete 180 from your thought processes yesterday, and it's those people that I suspect the most.

Ok so the parts that I edited the formatting on I didn't get, the bolded part in particular, so it's probably best that I see you explain it further before I comment.

However, there is the part that I didn't change. That's pretty broken logic. But, does that make scummy things not scummy anymore? No. Example:

Cops find fingerprints on a knife left at the scene of a murder. They match it up with the murderer, and try to arrest him, but he says, "Wouldn't it make more sense for me to avoid leaving fingerprints on the knife? Or leave the knife at all?" Cops agree with this logic, and let the murderer go despite having evidence that he murdered someone.

See? Of course the murderer didn't want to leave evidence. But just because it isn't smart to leave evidence doesn't mean it cannot possibly happen. If we used this logic in mafia games, then mafia could do scummy things as they please and get away with it because "obviously the mafia wouldn't want to do something like that, right?"

Votecount 2.1
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Lilian P.(0)-
The Gligarman(0)-
Sakie H.(0)-
Ogata R.(0)-
Temaku T.(0)-
Georgio F.(0)-
Kazuchi O.(0)-
Sayuri K.(0)-
Izuna D.(0)-
McKenzie Q.(0)-
Not Voting(10)- Georgio F., Kazuchi O., Izuna D., McKenzie Q., Ogata R., Sakie H., Temaku T., The Gligarman, Sayuri K., Lilian P.
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There are 10 alive so it takes 6 to hammer. Plurality applies.
Deadline is Monday the 2nd at 9pm EST.

If the deadline was now, Lilian P. would be lynched.

lynch Kazuchi O.

start talking or get subbed out

McKenzie Q. wrote:Gan Gogh(4)- McKenzie Q., Ogata R., Sakie H., Temaku T.

obviously i know im not mafia. so that leaves these 3. i feel one of the mafia didn't vote so that leaves

Not Voting(4)- Georgio F., Kazuchi O., Forrester C., Izuna D.

forrester is dead. leaving one of those 3.

though im not completely sold on sayu, defending a villager who is going to get lynch to "prove" that she is innocent could be possibility.

By the way McKenzie, I'm referring to the first bandwagon on Gan Gogh, not the second one at the end of the day.

Sayuri, what I was trying to say is that noone was justifying their lynches yesterday for the most part, even the people who weren't lynching Gan Gogh. And now that the person that was lynched turned out to be town, everyone who random lynched him is being suspected as scum. Also,there was no need for the mafia to push the lynch at the end because deadline was only a few hours away and he would have been lynched anyway.

To fit that into your analogy, why would the criminal stab the person if the person was going to die shortly anyway?

Sakie H. wrote:Sayuri, what I was trying to say is that noone was justifying their lynches yesterday for the most part, even the people who weren't lynching Gan Gogh.  And now that the person that was lynched turned out to be town, everyone who random lynched him is being suspected as scum.  Also,there was no need for the mafia to push the lynch at the end because deadline was only a few hours away and he would have been lynched anyway.

To fit that into your analogy, why would the criminal stab the person if the person was going to die shortly anyway?

Weren't we talking about the early bandwagon? Y'know, the one that you jumped on because Gan Gogh didn't justify a random lynch? Why are you switching to the second wagon that was based off Gan Gogh's "bad logic" ?

I made that post in reference to McKenzie's post, which I am currently in the middle of going slightly more in depth on.

McKenzie Q. wrote:Gan Gogh(4)- McKenzie Q., Ogata R., Sakie H., Temaku T.

obviously i know im not mafia. so that leaves these 3. i feel one of the mafia didn't vote so that leaves

Not Voting(4)- Georgio F., Kazuchi O., Forrester C., Izuna D.

forrester is dead. leaving one of those 3.

though im not completely sold on sayu, defending a villager who is going to get lynch to "prove" that she is innocent could be possibility.

So you, considering yourself town, went and lynched Gan Gogh. Despite that, you still believe that 2 of the other people who lynched him are mafia. If you lynched him as town, don't you think it's possible that most, if not all of the other people who lynched him are also town?