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Mona L. wrote:Though looking at night actions I have to wonder, Rhonda, why did you block Wilkinson twice? If you block someone once and there is still a kill, it's fairly safe to assume they're not the vig, especially night 1 when the os vig probably hasn't tried to kill yet.

My thought process went a little something like this:

I don't know who my partners are, so I don't want to block them and prevent them from inspecting/killing.  For the most part the town was electing to lynch/shoot people that I was fairly sure weren't really that scummy (Cheeves, Honcho, Magnus?), so I pretty much targetted someone who was at a high risk of being shot, so that if they had a night action they wouldn't do something to prevent themselves from dying or kill someone who I didnt expect to die.  That happened to be Wilkinson both nights because Wilkinson 1 said so little that I thought he might just be the OS vig and doing something crazy like shoot n1 and possibly kill a mafia member.  I was fairly sure that a vig shot that could be influenced during day by 3 mafia members with knowledge of at least one other person would likely hit a townie, so I was content with staying on Wilkinson n2 as night 1 played out fairly well.

Honestly I wish I could have been more active for this because it seemed like one of the more balanced anon themes so far.  For the most part when I'm mafia we're able to predict what direction the game is headed in and use our knowledge of everyone's alignment to our advantage to make perfect reads and gain trust.  With this game, it seemed like everyone was trying to find out who everyone else was, and while that may be a good thing for mafia late in the game once they have enough inspects, the fact that roles are learned as the game progresses allows for town members to find changes in reads on certain people and see how their interactions change with people over the course of the game to find the mafia.

I'd like to see a theme where the 3 or 4 mafia all learn 1 of their partners each night and see how that works out.  Maybe an investigative role for town so that CCs and other fun things could happen.

I just realized my 2nd largest post I made is post game now.  Oh well.

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Wow.

Ed, you played amazingly and just blew a 50/50 at the end which sucks but isn't the worst play ever. You had all these analyses of the situation based on how I was acting toward Roderick/Mona throughout the game, and the truth is that I never even inspected Mona and all my reads were rushed thanks to never having any free time irl. I honestly thought this game was over because you had Mona figured out a few days ago then went against your first instinct in the end. Regardless, GG, and I honestly don't deserve any points from this game.

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If I had more free time to dedicate to this I think it could have turned out differently for me, but as it stands I didnt have room in my schedule to post consistently. Sorry to my partners and good luck pulling this one out. Sorry I couldn't help out more.

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Ed S. wrote:Firstly, if you were online while people were initially analyzing things you could have joined in. Even if this isn't the case, your own opinion would be helpful. I'd personally appreciate your reads on everyone currently, as you mentioned giving them.

As a sidenote, your last paragraph is very similar to the passive "ask me anything" I pointed out regarding Magnus Day Two, and Magnus's flip doesn't change my opinion on it.

I'm looking through posts right now and seeing if I can add any additional insight.  I'll provide a baseline of my current reads and can elaborate on specifics if necessary.

Roderick/Wilkinson: Holding off judgement on these two since they were just subbed in and neither of their predecessors said anything of substance.

Kodama: Touched on him in my last post.  Not going to cover the post he just made here since I havent read it thoroughly.  His game has pretty much been Read -> Act on Read -> Respond -> Repeat.  He's had a little bit of a back and forth with Ed but besides that he's simply been providing commentary on what has been happening in the game so far, which seems sketchy to me.

Maria:  She almost seems like the opposite of Kodama to me.  Pressure and discussion are the two things I pick up on from her playstyle.  She is right there with Ed reading into every possible situation and she also pushes for information from people that she sees as possibly scum.  However, since this game is set up in such a way that nobody knows anyone elses role (except for mafia learning up to two other people's roles at this point), mafia could also be scumhunting to find their own teammates which is causing me a lot of uncertainty in my reads.  Even with that taken into consideration, I don't think that the way Maria is playing would be conducive to a mafia memeber's wincon as she could very easily accidentally force one of her mafia partners to slip by pressuring them (however this point is moot if she somehow inspected both of her partners already, which seems unlikely but could technically be a possibility).

Ed:  I pick up a town leader vibe from Ed. Sure, there's the massive post count, and the fact that he has been mostly leading the discussion throughout the game, but I'm looking deeper than that.  Over the first two days, both of his end of day lynch targets have been lynched (as a matter of fact, both lynchees were lynched by Ed/Maria/Kodama/Magnus).  I have this insecurity about when I see someone's playstyle as very townie, as it almost seems like they're too perfect of a player to truly be a town playing that well.  This is especially true when town members continue to be lynched.  After noticing the fact about the two lynches being performed by the same 4 people, that in addition to the other concerns I have with town leaders (he led the last two lynches at the very least), this raises some serious suspicions towards Ed and the others.  Of course, all of this is being said without taking into consideration Ed's analyses and reads, but I still feel uncomfortable knowing that the last two lynches have been determined by the same 4 people, even though one of them did die a townie.  

Mona:  In terms of playstyle, she's sort of a Maria without any of the pressure.  Most of her posts are discussing certain aspects of the theme, and whether to do X or Y if Z happens.  Her reads have progressively gotten more detailed, which I guess makes sense considering there has been progressively more information to go off of (except Roderick and Wilkinson), and the reads themselves seem to have logical progression based on how the players have played throughout the game.

In terms of scum to town, I'd go:

(Kodama-scummy)>(Roderick/Wilkinson>Ed- neutral)>(Mona>Maria- not scummy)

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Maria S. wrote:Rhonda is also a person imo that hasnt really been pushing. Giving a readlist and contributing doesnt mean pushing, in fact quite a few of her posts is her clarifying what other people mean which is effectively the opposite of pushing.

This post kind of threw me off the first time I read it. The issue with me not pushing has been brought upon entirely by myself. The main reason why I didn't push anyone once I started to post was that I honestly caught up to the point of being able to start questioning people about things that were happening at that point. My inactive spell recently has rendered me unable to push anyone since I've become sort of unwilling to delve into how everyone else has played this game so far. Of the people I've at least taken a deeper look at, there are two that stand out based on how they seem to make their reads: Kodama and Ed.

From what I know from playing these forum mafia games, there are pretty much two main ways to analyse how someone has played (aside from activity which can be controversial). People generally will analyse either statements or interactions. I see Kodama as a very statement oriented reader, which I think comes from reading through everyone's posts individually as opposed to rereading that part of the game. He tends to summarize what everyone has said throughout the game and define them as either townie or scummy based on how he reads the information presented to him.

Ed strikes me as someone who reads into interactions. He likes to look at the game as a whole, and try to tell who has said what to who, and try to determine whether that makes people seem townie or scummy as a result. This method tends to lead to theorizing about the importance of certain interactions compared to others and relies on a lot of theorizing, and it is also very time consuming in my experience. I feel that this is likely why I don't have the ambition to go through such a process, since Ed has looked into most of this game's crucial interactions already.

I know this isn't a normal or complete readlist, but these are the types of analyses that I like to make when looking at the game, as opposed to hunkering down in front of my computer for hours and poring through every line of every post to try to find a shred of evidence against x or y person.

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I've got to be perfectly honest. I was sitting there periodically yesterday looking at the anon tab that I kept open on my browser dreading spending multiple hours making a readlist. I just don't feel the motivation to put together what I feel is simply a reanalysis of things already covered by other people. I think most of it comes from watching Maria and Ed breaking apart each and every bit of information with precision that I couldn't hope to match. Instead of sitting around and doing nothing, I'd rather at least respond to what other people are saying about me and at least try to contribute a little bit so I don't feel like an absolute burden on town.

Mona L. wrote:Rhonda: She said she'd do her best to be active. She said she'd do a readlist. Perhaps she did her best, but her best is not active, and her readlist is not here. She seems like someone who makes empty promises with the hope of postponing death until too many townies have died and scum wins. I could be wrong and she could simply be having a lot of trouble with finding the time. I still find her behaviour scummy though. Leaning scum.

The first half of this is absolutely dead on. I've been burdened by a lot of unnecessary problems that I have had to dedicate most of my time to, and when I get some free time it almost feels like a chore to read through everyone's posts again and try to figure out who is scummy and who isn't. However, I realize that people are waiting for my reads in order to properly assess the remaining players in the game and decide on their lynches for today, so I'll be on for the rest of the day to answer any questions people have and provide my thoughts on the other players.

Ed S. wrote:To put my last question another way, as I realize Kodama is your strongest scumread: Do you find Kodama not coming online at all to be scummier than Rhonda coming online and not reacting to anything?

I don't really know how to respond to this, except that @Ed I realize that this is a perfectly good reason to suspect me right now, and I know that it is not the only reason why you suspect me (which is why I'm ok with it as reasoning), and I will do my best to address these issues for you by the end of day 3.

I'm available now for anything. Ask me for opinions/reads on any person, interaction, scenario, anything, and I'll be happy to oblige. I'll also look through the last few pages of posts and look for anything i find interested that hasn't been completely dissected yet.

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Ok, I seriously overestimated how much free time I'd have on the 4th of July. I had planned on sitting down and putting together a solid readlist and then my family decided to throw a huge barbecue and I had to help out for most of the day. I sincerely apologize for that, but it doesn't seem like my reads would have swayed the vote much since the target remained the same all day and activity fell off a cliff all around.

I'd like to know why Magnus was killed last night, as I don't remember him ever being discussed as a vig target. However, it may be possible that the town vig was roleblocked and the mafia OS vig's kill went through.

At this point, mafia is in an extremely advantageous position. We need more than 3-4 people actively discussing the game at a time, myself included. The two people who just subbed in need to read through the game ASAP and post their thoughts/reads so that we have the best possible chance of lynching a mafia member today. We need as much information as possible in order to make a smart lynch decision today.

I'll put together a full readlist either today or tomorrow at the latest, and I expect the same from Mona, Kodama, Roderick, and Wilkinson.

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I'm on vacation right now, getting back at some point tomorrow so I'll be able to post a full readlist then, but for now I'll add this to the discussion: Making all these assumptions and reads on Rodrick right now seems fairly pointless to me. He hasn't made enough posts for someone to truly be able to figure out his exact playstyle or thoroughly read him as town or scum. I'd like to see more activity out of him or a sub before I actually make a read on him.

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Kodama N. wrote:"NOTE: I don't think I'm entering a tunnel right now, but it does feel like I'm being unusually harsh on Mr. Cheeves. An outside perspective would be appreciated.” what I interpret this as is, “NOTE: Could you guys please tell whether I’m being scummy or not.”

While I understand that the way Ed says this seems like he's simply asking for his opinions to be validated, I think this is just an instance where he worded what he was trying to say poorly. The way it reads, it could easily be interpreted as "Guys do I look scummy for tunneling on Cheeves", but I think he was trying to ask if it made sense to tunnel Cheeves this hard based on how he has been asking.

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Following up on my last post, I will note that Kodama has made a more detailed readlist now, with observations that seem logical and make sense based on what I have read.

Kazalie said that she still suspects Mona since she sees her as making large posts that simply restate info with little of her own input. I think this may have a lot to do with the fact that she is apparently sick, or it's a case of Mona reading through what people have said and including her own opinion where she sees fit. She also posted her own readlist a while ago, and while it was fairly basic, there hadn't been much content yet, especially from a certain few people, myself included. I'd be curious to see what an updated readlist from her would look like now.

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Ed S. wrote:What do you think of Kodama being neutral on Mr. Cheeves but quickly switching to a scumread to lynch?

Covered this in my earlier post. I think the fact that it's early in day 1, reads may change drastically because of the lack of info on everybody at this point, so it's not an insane assumption that Kodama saw Cheeves sort of give in to the lynches on him and decided to lynch him (note: sorry for calling Kodama she- these names confuse me sometimes)

Maria made an interesting point that he may have used his readlist as a way to mask that he was jumping onto the bw on Cheeves by simply including him as neutral before shifting him to scummy, which I can say I have seen before in these anon games. I'd like to see what other people think about that possibility.

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I have no excuse for not posting until a day before DL.

The way Mr. Cheeves just sort of gave up and became "too lazy" to read rubs me the wrong way.  I can understand not agreeing with someone else's logic in lynching you, but acting like a child who doesn't get his way just compounds the problem.

I don't know whether Magnus is hyping himself up in all his posts in an attempt to be funny or just to liven up the game, but to me it just seems obnoxious.  However, he made a lot of great points in his last post that more than make up for that, which I will discuss more later.  He also mentioned that he thought Roderick was more townie because he forgot that scum were separated and didn't know each other (could have been someone else but still applies).  Forgetting info like that is just as easy for scum to pretend to do as it is for town to actually do, so just keep that in mind.

Kazalie's three posts include very little info, and the info that is there just seems invalid.  A lot of this is just either restating or elaborating on what Magnus has said, so just be warned.  Her scumread on Mona based on her first post regarding the theme/rolelist doesn't make much sense to me as that early discussion was beneficial to town and not really scummy at all.  She also called out Kodama for having too many town/neutral reads, despite it still being day 1 without much info to go off of on most players.  I can understand reading into such a thing a bit more if it were day 3 or 4, but this early it's not a huge issue.  Her next post points out that Kodama lynched one of her neutral reads, which is also not a ridiculous thing to do on day 1 when people are mostly unsure of their reads.

Wilkinson is just yelling about how he doesn't care about any of the discussion going on, but would rather just simply announce his lynches with no reasoning.  I honestly have no clue what to think about that other than it doesn't seem to help town in any way, nor does it allow us to read into his lynches and thoughts on anything that is going on in the game.

Maria made a good point that Kodama wanting to give me a chance to defend myself doesn't really make any sense considering that the lynches on me were meant to pressure me to talk, not to get me killed.  While the way she stated her reasoning seems odd, I think that since she doesn't expect to be able to post again before deadline, she would rather lynch someone who has made posts that seem scummy to her as opposed to someone that she hasn't seen any content from yet, good or bad.  I agree with how Maria herself put it: "I am not saying the lynch against cheeves is wrong, I am just saying the way you went about it seems off"  The excessive discussion about the merit of RVS is/was a waste of time, as RVS is generally used for about the first half of day 1 to help promote discussion based on reactions to those lynches, and not a be all end all decider for the day 1 lynch target.

Ed's discussion about Cheeves seems very interesting to me.  He says that the defeatist attitude shown by cheeves is indeed scummy, contrary to what Mona thought in her read.  I think that anybody who tried to contribute to town early in the game and immediately got multiple lynches on him/her would tend to be frustrated, regardless of his/her role.  However, the issue I have with Cheeves is that he seems to have given up on defending himself and is sort of throwing the game by not cooperating with the rest of the game anymore.  He may very well be town, but if he is he still isn't helping town out through the manner in which he has decided to play.

Hopefully this post was worth waiting pretty much all day for.  I'll do my best to remain active from now on.

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Confirming, ready to armbar the mafia into submission.