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Game 31: Separated Scum

well that's a lot of points, can I get scum more often? Seems easier to get points like this

Game 31: Separated Scum

Well if you put it that way it does make a lot of sense to block Wilkinson.

Game 31: Separated Scum

I did have a pressure vote coming from Maria at some point. Though I would like to point out that all my reads, theorizing and also reasons I couldn't be active were all 100% honest. I don't think I ever actually lied in this game. I genuinely thought Kodama was scum and the only time I did not 100% follow my reads, was when I went on Roderick instead of Kodama, and really I didn't have any other option at that point. At least one one that would have made sense with how I'd been acting before.

I also want to say that I was debating between killing Maria and Ed, because I was pretty sure Ed was the vig, but I couldn't be 100% sure, so I decided to go with Maria because obviously she wasn't going to be killed by our vig right? I also didn't have the time to inspect Ed because I felt like there was a 50% chance of me dying that night. And then there's the fact that if I fucked up and killed a scumbuddy then I would have messed things up soooooooooooooo bad, especially if I died right after (which I thought was likely). So I had to be 100% sure about my target being town. So basically if I had trusted my judgement and killed Ed the game would have ended two days earlier than it did, with only one scum death and Roderick just flying under the radar with his subbing shenanigans.

Also I just noticed I said 'our vig' which reminds me of something, I got so caught up in playing as town that at some point I saw that a townie was lynched and my first thought was "fuck, I could have saved him." It also happened several times where I figured out a scumteam which worked perfectly and then I realized that there were two people in the scum team and neither of them were me, at a point in the game where there were two scum left. So yeah, me playing townie was because I was completely 100% in the mindset of playing as town, except for those moments where I had to decide who to inspect and who to kill.

Anyways this was definitely a fun game, it's always the most fun when it's lylo for several days in a row until there's a 3p lylo, so I guess I don't really regret not killing Ed instead of Maria.

I just thought of something, which is that I had half a mind to keep Maria alive because so far she had been townreading me and she'd even lynched Kodama, but I guess it's for the best that she was killed. Also for the best that she didn't share her thoughts on everything earlier. That could have definitely caused problems.

Honestly Rhonda almost messed things up for me because I am more willing than most people to give those who are inactive a chance, and in this case that could have ended very poorly for me, but Ed didn't kill me so it's fine.

Didn't really expect Magnus to be miller tbh, though it's pretty amazing that so much theorizing on scumteams relied so heavily on things like "kodama miller" or "mona miller" for it to turn out that Magnus was miller and I was scum. Good on Roderick for buddying up to Kodama so much and tunneling on Wilkinson so hard though. That did help me win (and I'm sorry for basically killing you Roderick).

Though looking at night actions I have to wonder, Rhonda, why did you block Wilkinson twice? If you block someone once and there is still a kill, it's fairly safe to assume they're not the vig, especially night 1 when the os vig probably hasn't tried to kill yet.

So yeah that's a lot of my thought process throughout this game for anyone who was curious. Which is probably nobody but I wanted to say this anyways.

Game 31: Separated Scum

Gg Ed. We won, even though it was a bit of a rough game. The lylo clutch was real in this game.

Game 31: Separated Scum

Okay so two things. On Roderick, I'd say it's possible he inspected me and got town, so he wanted to share that information without looking suspicious, I think it's likely that Kodama was hidden miller with the way Roderick acted towards him.

Second, I thought I'd explained the thing on my use of 'torn' before but I guess not. Making posts helps me sort my thoughts. At the beginning of that post I was in the mindset of 'find one scum and lynch them' which doesn't account for the possibility that they are BOTH scum. Later in the post I realized that they could both be scum, but I forgot about saying I was torn at the beginning of the post. So yeah that was weird and contradictory, but it was because my thoughts at the beginning of the post were somewhat contradictory to those at the end. I realized I was being dumb but forgot to remove me being dumb.

Game 31: Separated Scum

Okay so I checked on Wilkinson's reads.

Wilkinson, yesterday when talking about reads you only read Wilkinson as scum. Why then were you afraid of Kodama quickhammering Roderick if you were to lynch? Surely since you said yourself that it was between you and Roderick (at least you said so yesterday) it wouldn't be wise to risk your own death by waiting so long to lynch. And as you had a town lean with Kodama I am not sure why you thought Kodama might quickhammer. You waiting with a lynch yesterday but not with Rhonda doesn't make sense.

You apparently got info about a no lynch looming (which would be easy enough to check) and deadline fast approaching (which would be easy enough to check). This does not explain how little you seemed to consider everything before lynching Rhonda, and how you didn't even end up lynching anyone yesterday.

Game 31: Separated Scum

I too was hoping on a cc to make things easier, which is why I tried to rile Wilkinson up with the "you cc or you're scum" thing, but I guess it didn't work. So now we are left to "convince Ed that I'm the town", and I'm sorry Ed but I don't really trust your judgement, even after your explanations of night kills. But I guess we don't really have a choice now.

lynch Wilkinson

because we are going to do a good old 3p lylo I guess.

Anyways I'm not sure how someone would forget that this theme is all about traitors, and honestly a mafia with only one kill is no different from a traitor with one kill when the others are all traitors. So I would say that he's trying to seem like he doesn't even know the roles when at this point we've had a lot of discussions about the roles and the implications of them. It simply doesn't make sense to not know at this point, and considering Wilkinson specifically says normal mafia, this isn't just saying mafia because of lazyness or whatever. God knows I myself have had to stop myself from saying mafia out of habit.

Wilkinson, I believe I talked about how he didn't exactly offer himself up, rather he was putting up an ultimatum of sorts, choose between you and Roderick. He tried to get you lynched, he failed. That is what I was talking about, the fact that he was probably trying to bus you. You couldn't both survive and win the game unless you pushed Kodama, but Roderick didn't do that for whatever reason. I guess another option would be Kodama as hidden miller while Roderick hadn't inspected you, making him think that this was the easy way to get a kill on town. Because he definitely tried, so no, it wouldn't make sense for him to sacrifice himself, but it would make sense that with the two of you being scum, he would do this to get out of a very tight situation.

I would say that considering one of the first things you did when you entered the game was lynch Rhonda, it wouldn't be surprising if you had lynched Roderick early in the day too. Before there was a chance of quickhammer. And you said it yourself, the only real options were you, Roderick and Kodama, at least yesterday. I suppose Ed could still be considering killing me. From your perspective, what difference does it make? Unless you believed YESTERDAY that out of me and Ed one might be scum (which I can't look up right now for lack of time) either option should have been fine for you, and there shouldn't have been any problem in lynching Roderick.

Anyways, at this point really the only discussion left is for convincing Ed. So Ed, if you have any questions, no matter how small, do ask. It would suck if you lynched me or if you didn't do anything at all, letting plurality fall on me, simply because you couldn't get all the answers you wanted in time. You don't even need to tell us what you're thinking if you don't have time for that, though it would be appreciated so we can still correct you if you misunderstood something (as that did happen a lot with me).

Wilkinson, if you have anything about me to point out which you feel is scummy, you should. It's lylo and even though I am now 100% sure that you are scum, it would be nice if I had a chance to respond to anything that anyone notices about me as I don't have a lot else to do, except perhaps look for more strange things with Wilkinson, though I feel like I'd end up nitpicking a lot.

I have run out of time so I will be back tomorrow, hopefully at a bit of a different time so I can actually check on stuff like what Wilkinson's reads from yesterday were.

Game 31: Separated Scum

okay so first I want to know if Wilkinson wants to cc Ed, as that is still a relevant question.

Then I am going to say that I am surprised. Not about the Roderick flip, but the fact that after the Roderick flip, Kodama turned out to be town.

Until we know whether Wilkinson CC's ed or not, I can't say for certain who is scum. If he does, then there's a dilemma, if he doesn't then Wilkinson must be scum (at least from my perspective).

I will say though that a Wilkinson + Roderick scumteam wouldn't actually be that surprising though. After all, if you and your scum buddy are seen as the scummiest people, you are probably going to lose. Unless you bus your buddy to make people believe that whichever of you doesn't die that day is town. Roderick might have seen it as the only way out. A sacrifice to win the game.

This especially makes sense if you take into account that Wilkinson, who was so eager to lynch Rhonda before, did not lynch Roderick. It was a choice between Roderick and Wilkinson, and Wilkinson did not lynch. Now that could definitely be because of Kodama hammering before deadline, but it is still something to keep in mind. Earlier with Rhonda he talked about how it was lylo and we had to lynch, and he lynched quite early. Yesterday with Roderick I'm pretty sure he didn't even talk about lynching, at all. It was between him and Roderick, that much was obvious, and yet he didn't lynch.

The only reason I can think of why someone wouldn't lynch when it's plylo and it's between them and someone else, is if that someone else is their scumbuddy and they are not on board with the bussing plan.

If Wilkinson ends up cc'ing Ed I'll talk about how Ed as scum might work, though at that point I guess I'd be the one deciding and it would mostly be to make my thoughts clearer for myself, if Wilkinson does not cc Ed, I guess to me at least it's clear who's scum.

Again, my thoughts are a bit jumbled, but considering I'm still alive in 3p plylo/mylo I guess everyone's used to it by now or something.

Game 31: Separated Scum

by no time left before deadline I mean that I don't have any time left where I can get on before deadline, clearing that up now as it might be confusing.

Game 31: Separated Scum

Well I guess nothing happened, and while I would love to wait longer, I don't have any time left before deadline. So I am going to

lynch Roderick

Game 31: Separated Scum

Okay, so the problem here is that I do want to lynch because this is a crucial day, and if we lose because I don't make deadline I am going to be extremely pissed at myself. But the problem is, I will not be able to get online on sunday. Which means that the last thing I do before I leave and hope for the best, will be to lynch someone. I am going to postpone that for as long as I possibly can.

Now as for the actual lynching, who will I lynch? Well so far, it's probably been rather clear to everyone that I thought Kodama was definitely scum and then out of Wilkinson and Roderick there was another scum. But recently, I'm not so sure to be honest.

Kodama has cleared up a lot of things in his post, and the fact that after I cleared up the points he had been apparently misinterpreting (still find it odd), he actually adjusted his read, does make me think he might be town. God knows that I have experience with misinterpretation, and the fact that he changed his opinion on me when finding out that it was in fact a misinterpretation, does change a lot.

But then, this is the first instance of Kodama posting his reads today on day 3. So we do have to consider the possibility of inspections. What I mean by this is that it is possible Rhonda inspected me and I'm the hidden miller.

If I am hidden miller, then a lot of things suddenly make sense. Rhonda townreading me makes sense, Kodama's change in read, realizing that Rhonda probably inspected me and then checking for himself. And even Roderick makes sense, if he inspected Ed and Wilkinson, or if he inspected Kodama and me. Either of those could lead to his strange reads.

So I still think Kodama is very likely to be scum, but so is Roderick.

It's also possible that Kodama actually genuinely changed his read and he's the hidden miller, with Roderick buddying up to him because of that.

Either way, I am not as sure about Kodama as I was earlier and this entire post has my thoughts kind of jumbled up. I would fix it but the noise from typing is hurting my ears so I'll keep it to only the necessary stuff.

So I'm going to say what I actually think right now, it's still likely that Ed is town. So as far as I'm concerned out of Kodama, Roderick and Wilkinson only one is town. Which one it is? I don't know. I would say however that regardless of whether Kodama is scum or Wilkinson is scum, Roderick makes the most sense. Sure he's pushing for a Wilkinson lynch, but that could definitely be bussing, as he is probably aware of how precarious the situation is for him and Wilkinson. Pushing away from Wilkinson so hard could be an attempt to save one of them, or perhaps Kodama is the second scum and he's pushing on Wilkinson because he's an easy lynch target.

Another thing is that we need to stand united as town today because it is lylo. We can't fuck this up. And I know that Ed is most likely going to lynch between Roderick and Wilkinson, and Kodama is probably going to do the same thing. I don't know if he's scum or town but he'll still do it. And then there's Roderick and Wilkinson who are probably going to end up crossing, because what else are they going to do at this point?

So because it is lylo I will be lynching between Roderick and Wilkinson too, and for reasons explained above I think Roderick is more likely to be scum, as I believe a Roderick + Kodama scumteam would definitely be possible, Kodama might even think Roderick is miller while I am his scumbuddy (but actually I'm the miller), explaining the lack of buddying coming from Kodama towards Roderick, and also explaining the change in his read on me.

So the way things are now I have probably jumbled up my thoughts a lot, but I think Roderick would be my best option for a lynch. So that is what I will do if nothing changes my mind before I have to leave. Once I place my lynch, I will not be back before deadline.

Game 31: Separated Scum

Right, Ed's request for more opinions on Roderick's readslist reminded me of it.

Roderick S. wrote:Reads

ED S.( leaning scum)
-it may not be obvious but you are really trying to avoid a Wilkinson lynch who is scum  in my eyes. so you been tryna push me over him
and your response to wilkinson coming on is really weak in my opinion and the fact you unlynch your scum read just so they can explain themeselves

Wilkinson A.(scum)
-first off, hes really scummy, i already explained how he can be the os vig and the quick bandwaggon i likely seem him being ed s. partner

Kodama(town)
i read him as tonw beacause his post as i said but the fact that i feel like he is being honest and he is continuously catching up rather then lurking for one and Not leaving anything out. also i getting town vibes from him also. one of his post that made me think that he is prob town is

Mona(leaning Town read)
really by process of elim

The thing is, Ed himself talked about the "this person is scum so this person who is not scumreading them must be their buddy" thing. It's usually very iffy, but even moreso in this game. Even if Ed is scum, why would he know for sure about Wilkinson being scum? Scum has an inspect for a reason. And then there's the fact that Ed isn't actually being protective of Wilkinson? So the read on Ed is based on something very flimsy.

Then there's the read on Wilkinson, which, this is based on a theory and one thing Wilkinson did. Yeah the quick bandwagon is odd. But I'm sure that if you go looking through the game you could find more support for a lynch on anyone than simply someone doing an odd bandwagon. Then there's the possibility of os vig Wilkinson and like I said, it's a theory. It's not very solid.

Now with Kodama it gets interesting, and here is where I'm going to say that a Roderick + Kodama scumteam is definitely a possibility. Roderick talks about his honesty, the fact that he tries to catch up and that he doesn't leave anything out. There's also something about a town vibe which is something I am not going to talk about more as it's not something I can really do anything with, and something that got cut off with an example of a post he really liked or whatever.

Now the reason that this is interesting is because these are things that you could say about ed, these are things you could say about me. These are not things you can say about Kodama. Not all of them. You can say whatever you want about honesty, you can say literally anyone in this game has been honest. It does not matter. It is not something you know and is honestly bullshit to bring up in a readlist in mafia. So this is something where either I'm not getting what he is actually trying to say or it's just something to make his read seem more solid. The thing with Kodama trying to catch up, that's something you could say about me too as I had activity problems too, yet with me it's just process of elimination. And the third point he has is that Kodama doesn't leave anything out, which, he does. Kodama leaves out a lot of things, Kodama ignores a lot of things, he's constantly cherrypicking what to respond to. Yet for some reason Roderick is convinced that this is not happening. Convinced enough to point out how well Kodama is doing with it. So we have ne bullshit argument, one point that could also apply to me (and he left me at poe) and one point which is just flat out wrong. (and then there's the thing about certain posts making him believe Kodama is townie and a town vibe, but those are hard to talk about.)

And then there's the weirdness of the read on me, which is just "process of elimination" basically.

So there is definitely something weird going on and I think it's a Roderick + Kodama scumteam, with Roderick trying to push towards a possible Ed + Wilkinson team, while trying to get on my good side. Now I'm not sure why he'd be trying to get on my good side with this rather than Ed's, but I guess he might just think I'd be easier to convince? I don't know.

Game 31: Separated Scum

Yeah I don't really care that much about the choice of words with "wagon" either. Regardless of the choice of words, it was a weird thing to say and do.

I also want to say that I got sick again. I know, it's a lot of sickness. It's just a headache though so I should be fine to just do things normally, I've just got less energy to start with.

Ed S. wrote:...

Mona: I am looking for consistency faults, yes. I don't see what's wrong with doing so. Not responding to scumteam theories isn't helpful in my opinion, but it's NAI. (Doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss the possibility.) I was inquiring more about how your shift on Kodama progressed though-not expecting you to change your thoughts on how it progressed, just wanted to see a more concise summary so I could go back and see for myself with that in mind.

I went back to do this as much as I could, since I can't verify what someone's experiencing irl at the time they post. Your comment on d2 being your exhaustion day does make sense when compared with the activity level there, and in your one post after Kodama's second readlist during d1 you specifically mention that you're looking at players who have posted for the first time. (The point I'm trying to make being that I can indeed see a scenario in which you look back during d3 because of not doing so d1 and d2 as opposed for looking for something to call scummy.)

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Currently, I'm more comfortable with lynching one of Wilkinson/Roderick. I find a MoDama scumteam to be all but impossible at this point, meaning that from my perspective at least one of the two are scum. Between them, I'd lynch Roderick if we weren't so early into the day, due to the implication of what a WilDama scumteam would have done yesterday. A RodKinson scumteam is also possible-currently I have it as more likely than both scumteams with one of them/Wilkinson.

(By the way, the making notes thing is just me being way to obsessed with this game. )

There's nothing wrong with looking for consistency faults, it's a strategy you can use. I personally don't like using it because it's just as easy for town to forget as it is for scum. The only difference would be if scum has been trying to manipulate things in a certain direction and for whatever reason that means they are more likely to be inconsistent? But if they are really manipulating then they'd be too careful and reread everything.

I would say that I definitely looked back on d3 because I didn't do so earlier, but really that would be a lie. I was trying to see what I could get from the point I'd made on d2 about tunneling stuff. That's why I looked back.

While I still believe Kodama is probably scum, from my perspective there's still one out of Roderick and Wilkinson who is scum. I would say that out of the people here it's not very likely that Ed is scum. So I wouldn't mind lynching between Roderick and Wilkinson either, though I do prefer lynching Kodama as I still believe that he is scum, regardless of his lynch on Rhonda. It is entirely possible that he would be the OS vig and was looking for safe town targets to kill rather than scum buddies to help. It would make sense for OS vig to look for safe kills over anything else I think, so he wouldn't be likely to inspect Rhonda if that's the case.

Kodama N. wrote:...

Mona L. wrote:Okay I'm going to try and clear up this entire situation. My lynch was because I believed Kodama was the most likely scum. That was my reasoning, and that is why I lynched. If anyone ended up acting scummier than Kodama did, then that would be reason enough for me to change my lynch. So I lynched Kodama, knowing he might not come online again, knowing he might not defend himself, which is why I said regardless of whether he would defend himself. Kodama however decided to twist my words around as he seems to like doing a lot, and act like I didn't care about his defense, which I do. I included him in the people who had influence on whether or not I would change my lynch. He hasn't really convinced me though.

When I sorta “twist the words” around, it’s basically how I interpreted what they said (in that situation, what you said), and the way I interpreted it, looked scummy imo. If I interpreted it wrong, you may correct me, but the way I interpreted it is “me twisting your words”.

Ed S. wrote:I don't expect Wilkinson #3 to have an answer, but Kodama is the only person Wilkinson #3 gives no read on. This makes sense if Wilkinson #1 inspected Kodama and was trying to soft it here.

Well, when Wilkinson said that, it was day 1, meaning none of scum had gotten a chance to inspect yet.

Ed S. wrote:Your read on Mona shifts from a strong townread to a strong scumread from Day Two to Day Three. Why I didn't notice this I'm not sure, but I want an explanation, especially because she's Town here.

1. Her excuses screamed fake to me
2. When she admitted to being passive and noncommittal, she never implied to work on it, she just said she “should” and imo it’s sort of like defeatism.
3. She lynched me for the reason she didn’t lynch Rhonda over me (thinking Rhonda needed a sub).
4. I interpreted her saying about “not expecting me to defend myself” as that she wouldn’t care about my defence at all and that she would stay on me no matter what.
Side note: On my most recent read list, she isn’t a “strong scumread” as you said, I put “leaning scum”.

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I get that it's possible to simply interpret someone's words poorly. Except, that does not account for twisting around the chronology just so you could call me a hypocrite. I'm sure you remember that time you said I was trying to blend in by scumreading you, even though I had started the discussion about you? Even though nobody else actually said anything that pointed to you as a scumread? That's not simply a poor interpretation. And like I said, I believe Ed simply didn't interpret it the way I meant it, but you are so far off that I don't really believe it wasn't on purpose. Especially as you started using words I'd used against me. I talked about how you were trying to blend in and your response was basically "well you are trying to blend in" when I wasn't. That combined with the "misinterpretation" to me just screams scum.

1. Honestly dude how are my "excuses" any different from your poor internet "excuses"? It's honestly really shitty behaviour if you start lying about IRL things to benefit a mafia game imo. Which is why I would never lie about something like this. And also why my first instinct when people are being shitty with their activity is to assume that they have something IRL going on.

2. I've talked about this. You're putting way too much weight on the use of the word "should". I already lynched you before you even mentioned how it implied I wouldn't do anything about it (which is still a huge assumption over what word I used), so you could have known even before talking about it that I had already begun working on it. It's just really weird that you're still going on about something that wasn't even a thing anymore the first time you mentioned it.

3. I'm not sure what this is about? I lynched you because you behaved in a very scummy way. I realized you probably needed a sub, but regardless of that you had been acting suspicious. Rhonda had not acted that suspicious, the only thing really was her absence. Which at the point where I first lynched you was strange but not lynchworthy. Of course by the end of the day her silence while she wasn't absent had become lynchworthy.

4. Considering you're using past tense here I'm going to assume that you get that this assumption was not correct now. As I have also explained this. (You don't use past tense at point 2 so I'm assuming you still believe in that point)

I might have missed some things. I should be online for at least an hour. Don't know how long I'll be able to stay online after that but I think I saw Ed online so if you have anything to say please do.

Another thing, I probably won't be able to get online on sunday, so that could be a problem, but I'll try to work with that.

Game 31: Separated Scum

Okay so I'm going to try and give answers to all of Ed's questions, which are a lot. So if I don't answer everything I either missed it or ran out of time. First things first though, we know for sure that the CV shot maria, they're compulsive and the roleblocker is dead. We don't know for sure if the mafia vig has used their shot, as they would have probably wanted to hurt town. Killing Maria would work quite well.

We also need to either not lynch at all right now and leave it to the vig, with a chance of them failing and a chance of the mafia vig still being able to do something. After the vig killed Maria I'm not sure I would trust them with such an important decision, I'd honestly prefer a dice roll over their so far 0% rate of hitting scum. So we need to lynch scum today, if we don't, we lose because of the 50% rule. As soon as someone dies who isn't scum, we have 2 vs 2 so we lose.

I also wanted to say something else, yesterday Maria asked me why I was torn between Kodama and Rhonda, and I honestly realized while I was making that post that I didn't have to choose between Kodama and Rhonda. They could both be scum. Which is where I have been going wrong for the entirety of day 3. I forgot to delete the part of me being torn.

Ed S. wrote:Should point out we're in MyLo or PLyLo again. I want to evaluate relations.

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Questions for Mona:

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so first yeah, if we misslynch we lose. If we don't lynch we might still win, but I have kind of lost faith in our vig.

After my last post on day 3 I was online for a bit more but ended up having to leave, so anything after that? I saw it after the lynches happened. And I would probably not have lynched Rhonda, because I'd be too confused about you unlynching her. So I don't know, I might have unlynched Kodama but I believed, and still do believe, that they are both scum. Or in Rhonda's case was.

I do not want to fully explain the IRL stuff, but I will say that it suddenly came up during this game, and I didn't know how to manage it at first, but I figured it out. And when I figured that out I could actually use a lot more time for psanon again.

Ed S. wrote:So I found interactions between everyone/Rhonda. I obviously didn't analyze myself, so if anyone else wants to do so, feel free.

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I've gone into detail with my theories on a Mona/Rhonda scumteam. Mona kind of just brushed it aside, which I didn't appreciate but could see Mona doing regardless of alignment. Everything I mentioned about Rhonda's read on Mona still stands, but that alone doesn't prevent Mona from being the hidden miller. A scum!Mona pushing a counterwagon on Kodama makes sense. I don't want to look into her not voting Rhonda too much because I didn't see her online during the time between my unvote and revote, but I don't like that she only started to be okay with a Rhonda lynch when Rhonda was at L-1 and Mona could justify not voting. Mona also only asks Rhonda a question and becomes torn between her and Kodama after she's been called out on possibly chainsawing onto Kodama. She is, in my opinion, currently the most likely to be a partner.

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I almost brought up possibly No Lynching, but typing it out I realized how iffy an idea that was. If others have better reasons to support it, I'm open to hearing about it. (My thought was that it's likely the OS Vig has used their shot at this point, but that's a wifom case I don't want to deal with. Also it puts the game in the hands of the Vig, who from their perspective has a 50% chance of hitting scum.)

I mean, I'm not sure how you want me to respond to the entire scumteam theory of yours? Like, I am just a very forgiving person who gives people a lot of chances. Rhonda gave a half-assed explanation, and I was willing to deal with it if she actually changed her behaviour. But she didn't. The timing of me speaking up about it simply happened to align with the timing of your theory of me chainsawing off of her. I honestly don't know how to respond to scumteam theories so I generally just ignore them and hope they go away. Which is why I brushed it off.

We don't know if the OS Vig has used their shot, but if we trust the CV to shoot the actual scum, everything's fine, we'll just be in a 1v2 after that if the OS vig uses their (possible) shot. I'm just not sure I trust the CV. If we want the 50/50 odds, we could have the CV claim, would have the same effect but we could actually properly discuss everything, without wasting our time on discussing the CV's behaviour. It does have downsides, with the scum actually have influence on what happens, so I'm not sure what would be the better course of action objectively speaking, but from what happened so far, we did get a scum through a lynch, and not through a nightkill. Even when the CV should have better odds. So unless someone has any arguments against it, I think lynching would be best.

Ed S. wrote:I'm doing a full reread of the game by the way.

But before I really get into it, one thing I notice instantly and another question for Mona. Minor point, but why not mention that you had something going on irl prior to the game?

(Happy 100 posts.)

Because there was nothing going on prior to the game. It came up during the game, and I didn't think I needed a sub either as I knew I could figure out how to handle it.

Ed S. wrote:

Mona L. wrote:
We should definitely decide as a town who the vig should kill though. Although there is also definitely a point to be made for letting the vig decide for themselves when the scum to town ratio gets too bad. That seems like a good idea.

You still suggested a shot in LyLo despite supporting this (saying that whichever of Kodama/Rhonda wasn't lynched should be shot) which makes this feel less genuine. Any reason for suggesting still?

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Mona L. wrote:
Another thing we need to consider, is that if the vig just kills their own reads, it'll make them really easy to find for the traitors. Let's say only one person in the game has a scumread on someone, and that person dies, while the town decided on a different kill, well, who oh who could be the vig? So at that point the vig would have to hide their reads, to not be revealed as vig. It would cause more problems than just the "can we trust their reads?" question.

This calls to mind the Magnus shot, as the OS Vig may have thought he was Vig due to Kazalie's death. Vig shooting Magnus is still possible, but if there's someone the OS Vig shot Magnus is the most likely case. Bringing this up because it could have been trying to tell an OS Vig partner what to look for.

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Mona L. wrote:
Anyways, Wilkinson: He confirmed. And lynched for someone's style, guessing that's just RVS things, he might have just forgotten about the game after that. Neutral

Kodama: Well he started with a readslist, but in that readlist he's already being weird. That isn't really scummy though, as scum doesn't know anything right now either. His reasoning on the lynch is confusing (or maybe I just don't get it) Kodama in general is kind of acting strange, his reasoning seriously needs an explanation, yet I don't think scum would be so careless as to let their explanations be as confusing as Kodama's are. Leaning town

Roderick: He hasn't really said much, but what he has said doesn't make sense to me right now. He talks about how opposing RVS makes you scummy, except if you wait long enough it doesn't? He explains why, but it still strikes me as odd. He also mostly posts about someone's confirmation post being scummy, or the fact that there is only a confirmation post being scummy. And that one sentence about thinking Magnus is towny. Leaning scum

Magnus: He talks in an annoying way, but he's also active. His way of talking is throwing me off a lot though, so I am not sure if I just don't like him or if I think he's scummy. That's why I'll just leave it at neutral

Reads from Mona I find notable. The next time you mention Kodama, he's your strongest scumread on Day Three. I know we've discussed it, but could you pleas lay out how you progressed on this? The read on Magnus stands out for what it's based on, as he did have content. I think it's not overly notable though. I asked you what your thoughts were on Wilkinson/Roderick based on their first subs earlier, and your comments then at least align with this. I like that.

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I suggested it more as a way to make my opinion clear than anything else. I knew the vig should probably not be listening to town at this point.

I actually said that as a warning to the CV. It was possible they hadn't thought of it, so I figured that I should say something about it to make sure they knew to watch out for it.

Honestly it feels like you're trying to look for consistency faults with me to get me to slip or something? Asking things that I should know, and that I've probably explained before. Such as the shift on Kodama. On day 1 he simply didn't stand out to me. I figured that yes, he was acting strange, but it could just be a towny who is terrible at explaining their thought process. Which is very similar to what I have to deal with. But on day 3, looking back at it, the way he completely shifted on so many things within twelve hours was actually really weird. I just hadn't really noticed it before, I must admit on day 1 I was not reading very closely. And looking through the rest of his posts there wasn't anything really convincing me that he was simply having a rough start either. Nothing was very convincingly townie to me. Then of course his reaction to it was even worse, which is why I stuck with my read. And I still think he's very scummy because he came on after seeing the kill and didn't really say a lot? Also like you mentioned somewhere else he hasn't responded to the thing on him twisting my words around.

Ed S. wrote:

Mona L. wrote:
I personally didn't lynch Wilkinson because while he is very scummy, I'm also not sure why he would act like that if he is scum. I still think he's more likely to be scum trying to wifom this, but I don't particularly trust my judgement on wifom as I tend to think about what I myself would do and don't think of what other people would do, which is why I didn't go for a lynch.

Now as to Roderick (as a lot of the discussion has been about him) nothing's changed about him, and he is very similar to Wilkinson in that way. He hasn't been here a lot, and when he has he's been very useless. Again, it's a very wifom situation, and I don't know whether or not he's scum. I'm not good at wifom. I'm also very tired right now, and I would try to talk about this more but I can feel that I am too tired to really get what I'm talking about anymore. Sorry about that, like I mentioned before, something came up and I am suddenly really busy.

Moving onto Day Two, I want to talk about this. Early in the day I'd been hoping for a reaction test. What I'd been looking for, to quote notes I made:

"Watch for Mona's reaction to my lynching Wilkinson. Watch for if she joins the lynch, as if she doesn't it could be scum paranoid about looking like bandwagoning. If she doesn't, examine her reasoning. If she does, watch for if Maria still believes him to be a Vanilla Townie. If she does and Wilkinson responds, watch how she reacts to this."

This came late in the day, but you still didn't push for Wilkinson's lynch. We've discussed you being passive, but you no longer nominate him for a Vigilante shot Day Two. What changed?

Your comment on Roderick is similar to Rhonda in that the discussion in question was more about my read on him than on Roderick himself. I've mentioned the length:content ratio, so I won't mention it here again.

Day Two was depressingly inactive, so this is the only post from there I want to comment on.

Honestly day two was my complete and total exhaustion day. I did NOT trust my judgement. I honest to god didn't even realize it was going to be deadline when I logged off on deadline night. Which is why If I remember correctly, I didn't nominate any vig shots at all. So if I had, I might have nominated him, I don't know anymore. I know that I left not having a single clue what was going on anymore that day. And honestly you apparently have notes of everything? I never even realized people did that. So while for you it's normal to know your thoughts on specific days, I just forget.

Ed S. wrote:If everyone can give their reads on Roderick and why they read him as such when they get online, it would be helpful. I want to see if anyone knows what Maria saw that made her not think he's scum, because I'm not seeing it.

You asked me specifically about Roderick and Wilkinson so I will be answering that below

Ed S. wrote:...

Mona, what are your thoughts on Wilkinson and Roderick now that their subs have posted?

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By the way, none of you had better lynch. There's a high chance in my opinion of scum knowing their partner at this point, so a quickhammer's not out of the question. I'm entering a similar mood to Day Two where I feel the need to be doing something, so...literally anyone do anything, please.

So Wilkinson first, Wilkinson has been kind of similar to Rhonda. He said he'd be back in a few hours and he'd do reads and vote, but he hasn't done shit. He has voted before making that post though? With some really bad reasoning. Something about wagons feeling iffy and the Rhonda one being best. I'm not sure if this is a sub who simply hasn't had enough of a chanceto do things, or scum who is trying to fly under the radar. Until Wilkinson proves otherwise though, I'm going to say he's too similar to Rhonda to be town. leaning scum

With Roderick... well it's hard to get a read on him. Half of the time I don't really get what he's trying to say, and figuring out which parts are his and which parts are broken quotes are also a pain. I'd say he's doing better than Wilkinson with making an attempt at least, but then, he is being even more unresponsive. Wilkinson says he'll do something and then doesn't do it (like Rhonda who flipped scum) but Roderick just doesn't even say he'll do anything? He might say he'll post or answer questions, but that's stuff you're basically forced to do. He never makes any readlists and he just came on and ignored Ed's question for a readlist. So he's also leaning scum

Which of them is worse? I'm not sure. I just believe that between them at least one is scum, it could be both and Kodama could just be a really scummy town player. The only thing I can be certain about right now (as far as reads can be certain) is that Ed is probably town. Then I still believe Kodama is scum, and the second scum would be between Roderick and Wilkinson, but which of them it would be is something I'd need to think about a lot more. I also feel a headache coming up so I won't be going through everything again right now, but I'll be here to answer questions for a while, as that doesn't take that much energy.

EDIT: I am not actually editing this I am modifying my post before posting it but I can't find the thing where I talked about roleblocker being dead before but I do see the new post with Ed realizing roleblocker is dead, so that's cleared up now.

Game 31: Separated Scum

And also Ed, your post kind of got cut off? I'm not sure what's up with that.

Game 31: Separated Scum

Well I decided he was scummy enough to lynch based on actions already there, where I was still willing to give Rhonda a chance. Though at this point the only reason I haven't lynched her is because I don't want to hammer her and end the day early.

I don't know where you mentioned pressure, I am however 99% sure that I didn't just randomly started talking about pressure when that wasn't really my main goal. And if I did start the pressure talk then I was probably trying to do too much at once and didn't really think about what I was saying. So if you're right and I randomly started talking about pressure then I'm just as confused as you are.

Yeah I know you said you didn't believe it, but the thing you didn't believe is the correct interpretation.

Ed I literally told you that Maria is interpreting it right while you are interpreting it wrong. That's not something up for debate anymore because I, who made the post, have told you which one it is. I'm not sure what the point is of asking other people about this? Unless you want to justify your own misinterpretation or tell me that I am wrong about my own intentions? I'm just confused right now.

Game 31: Separated Scum

Roderick S. wrote:

Mona L. wrote:So, reads.


Ed: Ed has been very active and doesn't act very scummy, though I do have to say that he has a tendency to say similar things that for example Maria had already pointed out a few hours earlier. I still think that he's more likely to be a towny who just sometimes feels the need to say something even though he doesn't know anything to say. Leaning town.

(Kodama's quote was here)

So im looking at these post as you read them as town because they seem townie/not scummy. what i dont get what makes them town beside there activity(goes for everyone who place a town read on them) cause anyone can ask questions and answer quickly. is there something about there answers? or what type of questions they ask Cause we Have people in the past Who were scummy/inactiveness which i would say is a form of scummyness in the game. Who all flipped town, what does that say for the people who arent scummy? but i would say its mafia criteria to be looked as town. though im sure there still player that are scummy are actually scum but i think one of the scum are really tryna look town or acting town which is one of maria/ed S i'll say Ed Mostly as for now i would consider maria as a slight town read i do agree with them acting very helpful which would seem townie. Also i have anyone of yall even bothered to question any of them. from what i seen i just see your interactions be about something else this is just remember half the post i seen thought im not to sure if this is true so correct me if im wrong i been think about this for 2 hours straight roughly so i dont really to go back and check plus the clock is ticking. i did have a lot to say about something might of slip my mind at the time but hopefully this is everything regarding this topic...um ok idk if its me but the last post had some missing info im going fix it in this post(updated as well as some spelling fixed)

Honestly when it's just about general posts I can't really say what makes me believe people are town or scum? It's one of my biggest weaknesses as I can often figure out whether a town leader is town or scum by the way they talk, but because I can't explain it I can't convince anyone when they're actually scum. I can only really explain myself well when someone's actions are quite obviously scummy.

I haven't questioned Ed a lot, because to me it seems like he genuinely just did not get what I was trying to say. The entirety of what he does and says seems like someone genuinely trying to help town and scumhunt to me. I haven't found anything particularly scummy that he did, and actions seem to be our biggest form of scumhunting in this game. I'm not sure how I could actually explain my read on him and maria though? It's one of the many things I have in my head which I can't quite put into words. I hope this at least clarified something? If you want me to try and elaborate more do say so.

Game 31: Separated Scum

Okay so I lied it has already been dealt with. Also I will still respond to the post asking about my reads, just doing that after I talk about Rhonda.

Now she has obviously had the time to be online, which means she's had the chance to respond, but has simply been refusing to, and up until recently there was still a chance she'd survive the day like that, but then our new subs lynched her. I wouldn't be surprised if she actually tries to save herself now by talking. Which is why I'll say that she is probably scum and trying to fly under the radar.

I believe that Kodama and Rhonda are both scum, but simply have not inspected eachother yet. Which is why I am 100% fine with a Rhonda lynch, but as she already has 3 lynches on her (I think) and I don't want to hammer while we still have time before deadline, I will keep my lynch on Kodama. Now I'll go look for the post asking me about one of my reads.

Game 31: Separated Scum

Now I'm going to talk about Kodama and Rhonda. I am honestly torn on which one of them should die, which is why I'm going to say that whichever of them dies, the other should probably be shot by the vig. Though the vig might not even be listening anymore. I will still explain my thoughts on them though.

As far as Kodama goes, I've explained my reasoning on my lynch on him before. I've been talking about it a lot in fact, and I remember why I hardly ever lynch now. It always ends up with someone misunderstanding me, someone twisting my words around and usually everyone else just watching. Though in this case it seems Maria was trying to set the record straight. My point with this? I think Ed might have simply not understood me, but Kodama was actively twisting my words around. He was twisting the chronology around to fit his narrative where I was trying to blend in, he was incredibly hung up on the word "should" and then there's the whole thing where he for some reason decided that I didn't give a shit about his defense at all when I clearly stated his response could change my lynch? I believe I even did so several times.

Maria cleared up the chronology where I started the discussion about Kodama, when Kodama talked about how I was blending in by joining it. I'm not sure he ever actually responded to that though? I don't recall.

He keeps going back on how I said I "should" work on something, even though the first time he said it I had already lynched him, and it was evident that I was already working on it, so his point never made sense in the first place, yet he is still talking about it. In his readslist he still talks about what it "implies" even though it's something that's already been cleared up? Which means he's cherrypicking which parts of my posts to acknowledge and which parts he'll simply ignore. Another thing that kind of fits in the twisting my words around category.

And then the thing where he seems to believe I wasn't going to care about his defense, when what I said was "I lynched you regardless of whether or not you would defend yourself" when it was about PRESSURE. So the statement implies that I did not care that much about pressure. Not that I wouldn't care about his defense, do you know what implies that I care about his defense? The fact that when making my lynch I explained clearly that it might still change because of the posts of Roderick, Wilkinson, Rhonda and KODAMA HIMSELF. I literally stated there that it did matter how he responded, if he responded.

My point with this, is that Kodama has been twisting my words around and cherrypicking what parts of my posts to respond to and what parts he simply ignores. He doesn't even mention it, he says I ignored his explanation, but I at least mentioned it. He doesn't even mention that I explained myself. Which doesn't just make him scummy, it makes him a hypocrite as well. Which is another thing he accused me of, if I remember correctly.

These are all things that happen nearly every time I lynch someone, there is always someone who starts twisting my words around the moment I actually start lynching. And you know what? That person is almost always scum. Which is why Kodama's behaviour has only strengthened my belief that he is scum.

However, I also need to talk about Rhonda. I was willing to give her a chance and go easy on her when she explained her readslist, but no excuses can make up for how much she's been lurking lately. She has been online several times, without responding to anything. Which is why I'm not sure who I think is scummier.

Now I'll be back in about half an hour to talk more, but something came up like 5 seconds ago so I'm going to have to cut this short for now. (also Ed just posted something while I was typing this so I'll read that when I come back too.)

Game 31: Separated Scum

Maria S. wrote:Its funny i was about to make the post regarding the same point about mona. But i stopped myself coz i think i realised what she meant. When you said "mona is lynching kodama and says she may change based on what he does yet shes aware that he probs wont defend himself", she said that pressure may still come into effect due to him perhaps reading the thread without logging in, and therefore he may come on and defend himself which could change mona's lynch. Which is why she says "she may change the lynch". However the goal that mona's imposing seems to be getting kodama lynched out of the game rather than for pressure

Kodama N. wrote:ah, shit. My internet isn’t going to be back up by the time deadline passes. Whatever, I’m going to hotspot to my laptop and hope I don’t run out of data.

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Mona L. - As I said before, she puts dedication in her posts, even if she is tired, sick, passive or whatever. She contributes towny things to discussions, answers questions “well”, but then again her excuses could be real or just trying to stall things to post, etc. I like her honesty on admitting she’s passive and noncommital, but she said she “should” work on it, never implying that would? I’ve said what I thought on her read on me, and that’s in my previous post. I don’t really like how she still lynched me even though she did realise I might’ve needed a sub/prod, while Rhonda was online, but didn’t really post anything useful up to that point and she said since plur was already on Rhonda, she didn’t want to lynch her, which is scummy imo, she seems like she’s trying to protect Rhonda. After my post of responding to things, she said “So I lynched you regardless of whether I expected you to defend yourself or not.”, which implies that she won’t unlynch even if I have a good defense. If she doesn’t care about a defence, then it isn’t really a defence. Mona, could you please explain this? Leaning scum for now.
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Ed S. wrote:I'm not convinced that this is the case, largely because she used "seemed" instead of "seems." Shout at me for getting upset about semantics, but this implies to me that she was explaining her thought process at the time she placed her lynch, and she doesn't mention the goal of getting Kodama out of the game until later.

To put it another way, had Mona used "seems" I'd be more implied to believe that the pressure was an "added bonus" that she thought about later.

Kodama's post has appeared while I am typing this. I am reading over it, but while I am now able to be consistently online I'm simultaneously balancing real life.

Okay I'm going to try and clear up this entire situation. My lynch was because I believed Kodama was the most likely scum. That was my reasoning, and that is why I lynched. If anyone ended up acting scummier than Kodama did, then that would be reason enough for me to change my lynch. So I lynched Kodama, knowing he might not come online again, knowing he might not defend himself, which is why I said regardless of whether he would defend himself. Kodama however decided to twist my words around as he seems to like doing a lot, and act like I didn't care about his defense, which I do. I included him in the people who had influence on whether or not I would change my lynch. He hasn't really convinced me though.

Ed, you started talking about pressure, so I responded about pressure. This might have confused you, but I thought it was clear that I wasn't lynching for pressure, but rather because I thought he was scum. And I still do. So when you start asking about pressure, I give you an answer about pressure, not because that was my goal but because as far as pressure goes it does seem to have an effect to lynch Kodama. Like I said before, added bonus. Basically, what Maria said is spot on.

Another thing to realize Ed, english is not my first language. So you can talk all you want about the difference between "seems" and "seemed" but that's a really nuanced difference which does not come naturally to me. I literally have no clue what you are even on about with the difference. So please don't start argueing semantics when I'm not even sure if I just spelled argueing correctly. Like you said, the pressure was an added bonus I thought about later, but apparently because of the (to me) non-existent difference between seems and seemed it completely changes the implications of the sentence? I might use big words at times, but grammar still isn't my strong suit.

Wilkinson A. wrote:Ok Rhonda, not Roderick.
Re: the pressure voting case, I don't feel like you have to put plurality on the guy, but a single file stray vote is also ignorable, and stating your intent further worsens the situation. Right now it's going to be tough to get reads out of people so I think here it's best to gather people for a lynch since I don't trust in the activity of humans.

Right now I'm torn between Mona, Rhonda and Roderick, they all have reasonable genuinity in their wagon but Roderick just seems really iffy to me.
RN the Rhonda wagon doesn't feel comfortable just to join given the presence of other players, but Mona feels even worse to join so yeah.

It's LyLo and we really have to vote, so Vote Rhonda.

I'm going to stay on there for a while before I more thoroughly consolidate my own reads.

Perhaps the mona wagon feels worse to join because there is simply no mona wagon? Perhaps you don't even have to join a wagon? plurality was already on Rhonda, so lynching her because of wanting to join a wagon is "iffy" so to speak. It seems to me like you're just trying to get a lynch off and hoping you'll survive the night. I'm honestly most confused about "reasonable genuinity in their wagon"? What is there about a wagon that could be genuine? Why is that even a point to consider when deciding a lynch?

Game 31: Separated Scum

just to clarify on "a better use of my energy" I will probably not find anything to talk about before tiring out too much to still be able to talk about it properly, so if anyone does end up posting something (which is more likely than me finding something new to talk about right now) I will be able to actually respond normally.

Game 31: Separated Scum

I'll also be online for a bit now, but I'd have to go actively searching for things to talk about and find things from 5 pages ago or something because of how inactive this game is. There are seriously 3 active people when there's 7 players in this game. I don't think Kodama and Rhonda really count as active as it is right now.

So I'm going to see if anyone posts new things as that would be a better use of my energy

Game 31: Separated Scum

Ed S. wrote:What you said about Rhonda still applies, but Mona lynching Kodama to pressure him makes little sense because it would take two unlynches for plurality to actually be on him.

I didn't mean to imply that Wilkinson was off the hook, Rhonda and Roderick just stood out to me because I saw them come online and do nothing while I was typing my post.

You need to let go of the idea that I lynched Kodama to pressure him. It was because I thought that he was the scummiest. Pressuring him to talk is more like a bonus. So you should probably stop trying to bring that up as a point on my lynch being weird, because it was never about that. If my post somehow implied that I did it to pressure him into talking above all else, I apologize for the confusion. However, right now it seems more like you are desperate to protect Kodama. I also recall that you think me and Rhonda are being too protective over eachother, when you are definitely being more protective over Kodama right now than Rhonda or me have been over the other.

I may have messed up with the chronology of who lynched who, but my point remains, plurality was on Rhonda. Pressuring here wasn't really something I needed to do. So Kodama seemed like a better option to me.



I don't think you can just say that because plurality isn't on someone they're not pressured to do something. A lynch is pressure, because it's a threat to your life regardless of how serious. It means someone has a serious problem with what you've been doing.

I should be able to come on before deadline tomorrow, where I might change my lynch because Rhonda is still refusing to do anything and it's getting to the point where her absence of actions becomes scummier than Kodama's actions.

Game 31: Separated Scum

Rhonda, I would like to ask you the same question Ed asked me, which is that if you had to make a read on Wilkinson and Roderick based on their first players, what would it be?

While I get feeling overwhelmed by the idea of reading through everything again, I find that looking at the posts specific people made helps a lot with that. Simply not doing something you promised is a lot worse than saying things that have been said before, as with readslist you summarize your thoughts. There won't have to be too much new things anyways.

I don't have any time to do more right now though as I have to go.

Game 31: Separated Scum

Ed S. wrote:...

Mona: Part of this being anonymous is that we can't verify whether being passive is part of your playstyle. Even if this wasn't anonymous, I'd probably disregard that because of how easy it is to take advantage of one's meta. Rhonda is actually the main person I'd thought you'd been postponing on, but thank you for making a readlist. You mention in your that you could easily say with Wilkinson and Roderick that you're waiting to hear from their subs...which is exactly what you do in your readlist. Wanting to hear from the subs is a valid viewpoint, but if you had to give a read on Wilkinson and Roderick based on the first people to use their accounts, what would you say?

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One thing about Mona's read on Kodama: She lynches lynches him and mentions that her lynch may change based on what he does, but is completely aware, as she mentions in her read on him, that he is unlikely to defend himself. This is in comparison to Rhonda, who we know is aware of what's going on but hasn't posted. Was there something that made you decide it was a bad idea to wait for Kodama to be prodded/subbed?

About Wilkinson and Roderick I would say that the first users of the accounts have both acted scummy, though I'm not sure whether that would actually make them scum. They have been subbed so they might have just been trying to do something when they had no time to do anything. Which is why I think we should focus on their subs more than the first players. They needed a sub so there was something going on at least. If I had to do something based on the first users of the account, I'd say roderick is more scummy than Wilkinson as Wilkinson seems to have just been trolling while Roderick was making legit posts, just with only one line.

Well just because someone hasn't come online doesn't mean they haven't read the thread, so it seemed to me that pressuring him might still have an effect, while Rhonda was already being pressured by Maria. If he were subbed then I might have changed the lynch, and besides I did mention that it could also change depending on Rhonda, Roderick or Wilkinson. So I thought that Kodama was the best option at least for now.

Kodama N. wrote:...

Mona L. wrote:You say that advocating for a vigilante shot is the same sentiment, but while that's true, it's a very different action from lynching someone. Lynching someone means "This is the person I want dead and I am going to work towards making that happen" while suggesting them as a vig shot means "I'd suggest this person, though there are still other options. Good luck" At least that's what it means to me. Which is why I'd sooner suggest a vig shot than actually lynch someone.

I agree with the lynching part (except sometimes, it can just be pressure lynching), but the nomination for the vig shot part. I don’t agree with this at all. I like to think of nominating for the Vig shot is sort of like night lynching, but you prepare your votes during the day, but the CV is a Mayor that has all of the votes and the CV can choose to go with majority or whatever read they have/want to follow. btw, when you called me Komada in your next post, I associated it with Komodo Dragons.

Mona L. wrote:You are right, I am passive and nocommittal. It is something I should definitely work on, but I am also aware that I am not the best at wifom, and it's even harder to commit to something when you are as uncertain about something as I am about wifom.

This, to me is sort of like defeatism but not as much fully defeastism. It’s more so like, “Yes, I know about my weakness, it is something I ‘should’ work on.”
Tiredness: the tiredness was iffy to me, it could be a made up excuse but it’s something (like Maria said) cannot be proven/disproven and at least you’re here now!

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Mona L. wrote:Kodama: As we've all been looking back at his posts, I decided to do so again. Besides things we've brought up recently, he also starts with a readslist with mostly leaning town and neutral. There are two reads who are leaning scum. This in itself is not scummy at all, what is scummy, requires some context. Someone pointed this out and said it was scummy, Kodama then talked about how it was simply his playstyle. The next post after that, one IRL day later, he has a new readslist. This time with lots of leaning scum/scum. In fact, 50% of his reads are suddenly leaning scum/scum. Which seems to support the idea of him changing his reads to blend in. He does give an explanation later, but I still find it strange to see such a huge flip. He also has reads which are basically just the general reads of town. He also has not posted or been online in 5 days. So while all of the points before point to him being scum, he also isn't likely to defend himself. heavily leaning scum.”

What made you shift from Leaning town in your first read list to “heavily” leaning scum now? You literally had not read and or mentioned me in many of your posts at all, so how could you get to a conclusion of “heavily leaning scum” so quickly? Is it because “As we’ve all been looking back at his posts”, meaning you want to ‘blend in’ and go with the majority? (or you thinking it’s the majority). If you said I’ve made an explanation, and you’ve still found my “shift” scummy, then are you implying that you didn’t read my explanation? Elaborate on my explanation being “strange”. I wasn’t really trying to “blend in”, since I had my own reads/reasonings and brought some points up that no one had before, so please explain how I was trying to “blend in”. I do admit that I was trying to blend in by lynching Mr. Cheeves in my first post, but then I actually got my head in the game and started doing things productive. Also, are you saying that you’re lynching me since I’m not likely to defend myself? Well, huh here I am defending myself. I would like to see you respond to this defense.

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1) So basically you agree that the CV could choose to do something else any time they wanted to. Meaning that a suggestion for a vig shot is just that, a suggestion.

2) I am not sure how this is defeatism? I am simply admitting the truth and saying I should work on it. And I did, I am less passive and noncommittal now. And like I said before, I would never lie about whether or not there's something going on IRL.

3) A lot of this has already been explained by Maria, such as your chronology being a tad bit off with me starting it rather than blending in with my scumread on you. I'm fairly certain though that if I say I still find something scummy after reading an explanation, that does not imply I did not read the explanation. I simply did not bother to elaborate. But I guess I will elaborate now.

So you do explain why your read on Honcho was scum in the second readlist and it makes sense as an explanation, though they're all reiterations of what people had already said.

The explanation I was talking about was when ed apparently asked you about your second readlist? Anyways, you say that a lot happened in the twelve hours and explain your playstyle I guess? I simply find that 12 hours in a forum game is not a lot to support such a shift in reads, as you seemed to mostly just not like how honcho was inactive, but it had only been 12 hours since your last read on him where he was still fine. 12 hours means someone could post, but doesn't have to. So your explanation did not convince me.

I did not say I was lynching you because you wouldn't defend yourself, I was lynching you because looking back I realized you have been acting very scummy this game. So I lynched you regardless of whether I expected you to defend yourself or not. It seemed a better option than Rhonda who already had plur on her if I remember correctly.

Ed S. wrote:I don't think Mona's trying to buddy Rhonda so much as I think she's trying to chainsaw off of her. She doesn't acknowledge anything Kodama's posted past Day One aside from "he gives an explanation but it's still strange", which seems like an attempt to handwave the explanation away without directly responding to it.

Honestly Ed, you can have fun with your scumteam theory, I'm not really sure how to respond to this. I was specifically looking back at what Kodama posted on day 1, and looking through his other posts (which weren't a lot by the way) I did not see anything to really justify him being town to me, it simply confirmed the idea that he was trying to blend in even more. And yeah I did not feel like elaborating on the explanation while making the readlist, I have elaborated above though.

Now I might have missed something so if there's anything else relating to me, please remind me.

I also need to mention that I tend to stay passive and noncommittal because as soon as I do decide to lynch someone I need to actively stop myself from getting a one-track mind and tunnelling on them. So I generally don't find it worth the effort, but in this case it might have made Kodama talk, or perhaps that was just timing.