Game 12: Vengeful Mafia Mafia

Osashi D. wrote:

Kezoki Q as Leaning Scum: I must admit that some of my posts regarding Kezoki early on is bias. First of all, I really wanted to keep playing in this game so I kind panicked that he lynched me. However, it is not totally due to personal feelings as I already said that he may be scum during Day 2 which was not influenced by panicking. His posts early on were scummy to me. He quickly changed his mind when lynching and had a mindset of inactive = scummy. This can be seen as lynch-happy because he was reckless to make decisions, especially when he says things like "i don't care if this is scummy af but I have my reasons". The fact that he responded to my first read list with sarcasm gives of a mafia feel to me. Also when I questioned he lynch, he would say things like "Do you have a better idea?" which to me gives off a feeling that he is lynch-happy. He even admitted that he lynched me early because he thought he wouldn't have enough time to post, which to me, implies that he is afraid of me lynching him first. Kezoki also mentions the inactives often during the end of this day, maybe he is just trying to sway attention?

Agatha A. wrote:This. This is why I trust osashi, who would work on a readlist for an hour, knowing they are about to get lynched?

Kezoki Q. wrote:

Osashi D. wrote:

Kezoki Q as Leaning Scum: I must admit that some of my posts regarding Kezoki early on is bias. First of all, I really wanted to keep playing in this game so I kind panicked that he lynched me. However, it is not totally due to personal feelings as I already said that he may be scum during Day 2 which was not influenced by panicking. His posts early on were scummy to me. He quickly changed his mind when lynching and had a mindset of inactive = scummy. This can be seen as lynch-happy because he was reckless to make decisions, especially when he says things like "i don't care if this is scummy af but I have my reasons". The fact that he responded to my first read list with sarcasm gives of a mafia feel to me. Also when I questioned he lynch, he would say things like "Do you have a better idea?" which to me gives off a feeling that he is lynch-happy. He even admitted that he lynched me early because he thought he wouldn't have enough time to post, which to me, implies that he is afraid of me lynching him first. Kezoki also mentions the inactives often during the end of this day, maybe he is just trying to sway attention?

I'll reply to this part and we can decide what to do then. Lynch-Happy is not a bad thing. Lynch-Happy = agressive, and to be honest I am always aggressive, whether as town or mafia. That's just how I play. You can't just say hey this guys wants to lynch people so he's obviously scum, the objective of this game is to find out who the mafia is, people crack under pressure, and the best way to pressure them is to lynch them.
I did not respond to your first list with sarcasm, I legit found a hole in it, and explained my point. And yes, I stand on my decision to call out the inactives. Guilty until proven innocent IMO, and the more you stay away from the game during important moments, the guiltier you are.

Kezoki Q. wrote:Yes, and coming online once a week to post your reads without explaining your absence isn't scummy at all. I don't have to defend myself, while me natchi and mizuho were arguing over who to lynch you said absolutely nothing.

Agatha A. wrote:Knowing I am probably next, it doesn't really matter if I look a bit more scummy anymore. Though I do want to ask you all one thing, can you PLEASE just stop calling me scummy because I had forgotten about the game? PLEASE, it's really annoying to be called scummy for starting to try to help after being forgetful about the game for a bit and then people coming with such excuses for why they think I'm scummy. Come with something legit, please.  Come with something about what I said, not about what I DIDN'T say. And the thing with not being interested, while I could of course lie, after getting my role pm I was kind of disappointed because I wouldn't get to make plans to kill everyone in the game, though meanwhile this game has gotten interesting for me. With that said.
lynch kezoki q.

Agatha A. wrote:You can, you can easily lynch me and survive yourself

Osashi D. wrote:Starting my read list with the inactives one first because their posts are less and I can analyzed them faster:

Wakana O. as Town: Despite not having a lot of posts, her posts are not what a mafia would say. First of all, it lacks motive. In her earlier posts, she mentioned Toran D. If she was mafia, I don't think there was any reason to post that. The general tone of the posts are town-like. For example, she mentioned that if you are evading and fillering, you are more likely to get lynched. and "I don't know why you guys lynched Jenina". These statements are very town-like to me, however, it could be argued that she is trying to look town and thinking long-term. However, her activity has dropped so I doubt she is thinking long-term.

But jeez, she's a bit too inactive....

Warden H as Town: Warden H is similar to Wakana imo. His posts are very town-like in my opinion. I like his attitude of questioning Mizuho's scumlist which seems like something a townie would do. There is also no signs of any mafia motive found.

[size=67]True but i disliked the fact he almost ignored what was happening (which was Kezoki vs Osashi) and kept on questioning me. Why cant he do both? Also i dont know why the font size when massive.[/size]

Brendan T as SCUM: This might be a bit weird to think that we have enough information to determine that an inactive as scum. However, looking back at his posts I found something suspicious. "Just from skimming I found Kenzo the scummiest", how could he do that if Kenzo didn't talk at all? Also the fact that he ignored Kenzo death is also pretty suspicious, since it shows that either he didn't pay attention to the host posts which arguably is the most important things to look for when you are skimming through or just making stuff up to look townie. With these reasons I think he is scum.  

Yeah, the problem with Brendan is that he is failing to try to make an effort to contribute. I wasnt too concerned about the Kenzo thing, I was concerned at his reply to me because in his first post he clearly stated that more opinions are to come but all he does is blame AJ and goes inactive for 6 years.

Natchi and Nicolai are also honorable mentions as candidates however they do not stand out to me as much.

Its very interesting how you deem Natchi as an honourable mention as a scum. 

Some things to point out for town before I go:

1) I think we should keep united. I think an effective way to bring this game back after mislynching is to discuss, a lot. Rather than lynching early, I believe we should bring up an issue and see how each people react and thinks about it.



2) Find relationships. One thing we have not did much is discuss potential scum team. We mentioned inactives and who maybe scum, but never really talk about how this person has interacted with others.

I did briefly mention Natchi F + Agatha A in one of my posts. But it was pretty brief as i didnt touch on it too much.

3) Good luck and never give up! I know town can bring this back. Even if i get lynched, you have information that you verify that it is truly from a town-perspective. Note however, that my read list is my personal opinion and may be totally wrong.

(Also I suggest that if we cannot come up with a solution, we should lynch Brendan)

Kezoki Q. wrote:I don't think so.
And guys we're doing this all wrong, we know our timezones are different yet no one posts for the whole 3 days, we wait until it's a few hours before deadline and start throwing accusations, knowing full well we won't be able to discuss it properly. We filled 4 pages in a few hours.