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So the question now is... Is Marilyn the Miller? (Actually it's Teaque ;-

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And yes, I agree that I have no idea why Hiroki was killed.

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Nicolette can I ask why did you think Marilyn vs OO was town on town and Marilyn vs me wasn't?

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Basically, I had a late game thought that OO was scum. I know, it feels silly to say now but basically what OO did 2 days ago affirmed what I thought in my read list: He's too passive. As much as Marilyn attacked me, I just can't see her as scum. That's why I never certainly wanted her dead. I let OO decided whether it was Marilyn or Teaque to lynch. I find it weird that he lynched Teaque over Marilyn, as I felt he had much stronger reasons to lynch Marilyn. It felt like he tried to win Nicolette's trust, which worked. I don't know if that is true or not, but it is what I theorized. Well played to all, especially to OO. Nicollete did not play bad at all and should not feel bad.

Side note: I got Yuzo/OO right in my reads!!! (oh wait, I've never done any scumhunting i'm sorry

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Soo close yet so far away.

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And good luck town!!!

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I was extremely busy over the past few days so sorry that I did not do anything

but I wasn't gonna survive anyways so yeah. This game was really fun!!! Thanks for the memories <3 Sorry if this post seems forced (Ha!). It was fun reading your theories.

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Now to refute what Marilyn just said:

1) Regarding the Miller Theory: Okay, honestly? I have no idea what you want from this argument. I have said before that the miller theory was just a personal justification that was made because I thought you were town. I felt that since you were a good target of inspection, and not really anyone scumread you (those that do were mainly coming from the fact that you attacked them first i.e. Teaque, OO etc.) Now this could mean that you are mafia, and your scumpartners inspected you and got you as mafia. However, I believed your posting style was town, so I made the miller theory. This did not affect my reads on you whatsoever.
"If you were town, you would KNOW you were town, instead of just having a gutread with me." I don't quite understand this, can you elaborate?
Furthermore, I considered you for a lynch yes, but did I say I definitely want to get you lynched? For the past 2 days, I believed that I said stuff like "this will be temporary", "subject to change after making my readlist" etc. After making my reads, you were no longer the best choice. Note that at the end of the past 2 days, I never had my lynch on you.

2) It's just a matter of posting style of being forced or not. Whatever you want to think about it. Furthermore, I didn't make that post long to fool you guys. Firstly, that would be quite dumb since no one in this game is that stupid to be like Titus made long post he's town! Secondly, I don't know how to make it smaller.

3) Do posts like these count as defense to you??? That's what I meant because you seems to have quite an attitude there. It's easy to brush off these posts as not "defense" if you are scumreading me.

4) I knew that you townread OO. I just didn't like that post at all. Why? Well basically, you townread OO but you didn't like that he gutreads me as town. What that basically meant to me is that "OO, I trust you and I scumread Titus, so you should scumread Titus too". If you believed he was town, then why would you need to question that he "just wanted to get you lynch?" That seems contradictory. To me it just seems like a post to convince OO to lynch me.

5) Process of Elimination. I had OO/Yuzo > Marilyn yesterday. Yuzo died, OO convinced me that he was town. Who's next on the lynch? Marilyn, it's you. I still have no idea why you are confused over as to why I lynched you. Furthermore, as I have said for the past 2 days, I will reconsider my lynch when I decided on you and Teaque. It's not FIXED.

6) About the scumtell: Not really, as explained above, you are the logical lynch. About the lynch: "You don't have to lynch someone all the time" --> Okay? But I know I can unlynch later so why not? (I did unlynch every time I said something like that) About you townreading OO: I explained WHY I THINK OO IS MORE TOWN THAN YOU. THAT POST WAS NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT OO. O MY GOD

7) If I want you dead, why would I unlynch you when Teaque came online? He had us at equal so it was likely that he would hammer to save himself. Yes, today is a race for plurhammer, one that I see you have already started. About that post, I lynched you because I had my doubts that Teaque was scum. I said that yes, in the long run, me dying is probably better. But I think I can convince you guys otherwise. Also, I felt that I could get more information out of OO if he was the one to decide that lynch. I'm indifferent with you two dying anyways so why not?

Because I doubt Teaque was scum. I also doubt that you are scum. Furthermore, I anticipate today to be quite one hell of a day, if Teaque was alive. Are you guys really that confident about your lynches? I didn't think you two are both town, I just don't know what lynch is better. Since Teaque isn't posting anything, I didn't mind him dying.

9) I DID NOT LYNCH ANYONE!

10) I have done next to no scumhunting on my own. Point out why you think so? Do you think my readlist is null because it was badly written? My post on Yuzo doesn't mean scumhunting because Nicolette thought of him as scum first? The fact I pressured you early in the game is not scumhunting?

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Hit me with your best shot... Fire away...

The majority of today will probably be me vs Marilyn. I'm ready.

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Anyways Nicolette should answer my question on OO vs marilyn

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If he's not gonna say anything I rather let marilyn make 100 posts to attack me.

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I have my doubts Teaque is scum.

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Oh I so look forward to tomorrow.

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Alright that's enough info

Just needed his initial thoughts on the lynch anyways

unlynch marilyn

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You know, the thing is that if I really wanted Marilyn gone I could have easily done that. I could have left my lynch on her when I saw Teaque came online but I didn't. I wasn't sure if she was truly the scum. But then I went back to Teaque, and thought to myself, why would a mafia intentionally act like this? Take Yuzo for example, he was mafia yet he did defend himself while making large posts. It just doesn't make sense. From my personal point of view, keeping Marilyn alive and lynching Teaque is suicidal. If Teaque turns out to be town, I am definitely dead by tomorrow. Since I know I am town, a Teaque lynch easily meant a Nicolette, OO, Marilyn Lylo. I don't know what to think about that. Then what if Marilyn was lynched, if she isn't mafia then Teaque will probably be lynched tomorrow. That means a Nicolette, OO, Titus lylo. Yeah, that's just horrible because I can foresee the outcome. The sad part here is that there is more hope for a town victory when I'm dead before Lylo. I really don't know what to think. This post is mainly ranting, I have to go soon I'm sorry if this post doesn't make much sense. But I'm trying to look at the game in a bigger picture.

A question to Nicolette:
Assume it was LYLO, who would you lynch between Marilyn and OO? What would be the deciding factor?

From what I just wrote, it is best for me to lynch Teaque. Yet, I have a better idea that would help me get a clearer picture of the game. The one person I have mixed thoughts about is OO, I had him as most scummiest but from yesterday's actions moved him above Marilyn as town. What would really help me read him?

Lynch Marilyn

How about letting OO decide who should be lynched for today?

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Unlynching Marilyn since Teaque is online. Would like to hear his thoughts.

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Marilyn M. wrote:'Well, I was really happy. You have no idea how happy I was when you came online and lynched Yuzo the mafia.'

Again. Seems forced the way you said 'the mafia'. Also you are referring to the WRONG post. This makes me think it IS forced

Please elaborate I don't understand I am referring to the wrong post. Also, I also think that analyzing posts as "forced" is a good way of scumhunting since it relies on the player's playstyle. As OO pointed out, your first post Day 3 could be seen as forced and unhelpful. However, if you are truly town and made that post with pure intent, then you should realized that "forced" is a matter of perspective.

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Marilyn M. wrote:
Titus V. wrote:I just realized I spammed the whole page with quotes ;-; Please don't hate me I have no idea how to do it like OO.

Anyways, I would like to ask Teaque a question:
Since you ranked me and Marilyn at the same level, who do you think should be lynched? Has that changed?

For now, I am gonna Lynch Marilyn because I do think OO is town from the interactions yesterday (or at least, he ranks higher than Marilyn now in my reads). The interesting case here is whether Teaque or Marilyn should be lynched today. When I finish my thoughts on that, then I will relynch accordingly.

In this same page, where nobody else posted between the post I'm referring to and this one, you say 'my gut TR's Marilyn'
Now you have realised that, in order to win, you need both me and Teaque gone. I am the one building a case against you so you know you need me lynched quickly. If you were town, you would have lynched Teaque, and attempted to convince Nicolette, O.O, and myself to lynch him too, because following what you have said, he is the only person you truly scumread.

O.O, I understand what you are saying now, but I just disagree with what you are saying. I tried explaining it myself but failed, and so I've got rid of it and am typing this instead.

nicolette. I can't unlynch Titus
I want a scum to die, I want me to survive. I'm like 98% sure the scum is between Titus and Teaque
Lynching Teaque would cause Teaque to hammer me, leaving you in a situation where town is lynchcjng between Titus and Teaque, just as Titus wants

Teaque. What are your current thoughts on the game. Who is scum, who is town

Uhh... I never truly scumread Teaque? I even ranked him higher than you as town in my read list. It's the fact that he is reluctant to give his thoughts about the game which make me think he might be a good lynch for today. I am willing to unlynch you if you gonna lynch Teaque. As I said, my lynch was there until I make a post between you and Teaque.

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Marilyn M. wrote:I'm going to start with this one because it is the worse
Titus V. wrote:I forgot to collapse my quotes don't kill me Linda... oh wait you are dead hahaha :^).

Marilyn M. wrote:
Aside from that, I really don't understand your gut read as town on Titus. You call him out for so many things and you claim a lot of his posts feel 'off' but then say you have a gut read as town on him.
It honestly feels like you just really want to lynch me, and can't find a reason to not lynch Titus, so you just kinda gutread him
I don't understand your logic here. Firstly, there is no motivation. What is the point, if he is mafia, of not lynching me? There is only one mafia left, so he doesn't have to be wary about lynches anymore. Furthermore,
it is not like he townread me and thus not a sudden shift in reads. Secondly, I sense a bias here. I feel like since you scumread me, you believe everyone should scumread me too. Why would the fact that he doesn't have a reason to lynch me effect his willingness to lynch you in anyway?
I don't nessicarily think you are scum because of it, I just don't understand why. Now that I can agree with. Your only valid reasons for lynching me are that I had a bad read on you, which I get why you scumread me for, and when I 'cherry picked' I was just going for everything that wasn't big contributions, which I shouldn't have done. Your other valid reason is the Yuzo thing, which, having read it, I do see where you are coming from. The only thing I can say to this is that it falls under my miller theory with Titus.
...Are you saying that this miller theory may have a little credibility in scumhunting and thus not such a scummy thing to say after all?

you did, however, put some real thought into what you typed. You read back, and took, what I saw, as an unbiased view of the entire game, which I really appreciate

I do still believe Titus is the best lynch for today so I will lynch Titus

Your first paragraph is a bunch of rubbish. You IGNORED what I said in the very next line and instead made a large parapgraph saying how it wouldn't make sense if O.O was mafia you then responded to me saying I didn't think O.O was mafia by saying that you agree. Therefore, at this point you have acknowledged that I TR O.O, so why leave that enourmous paragraph in there? You left it so it would appear as if you had reasoning for me to be lynched. Following MY miller theory (not yours) you now know I am town, and therefore no longer need to townread me. This is why in the post before you stated you would rather have me and Teaque lynched, while yesterday O.O was tied top of your scumreads. Hey look, you are CHANGING YOUR READS again, one of YOUR OWN scumtells. Isn't that a bit of *cough* hypocrisy *cough*
So stop calling me a hypocrite, and stop being a hypocrite plz and ty

Your second paragraph: I was referring to MY miller theory, which puts you as scum. So no. Your theory can't be used as reason for scumhunting

1) Changing reads is a scum tell when THERE IS MORE THAN ONE MAFIA ALIVE!!! If you actually read the reasoning when I posted that scumtell, I said that mafia might inspected their partner and thus changing their read. When there is only one mafia left, changing reads is not a scum tell! Stop throwing the word "hypocrite" around carelessly + stop adhering so strictly to these said scum-tells without considering where it is coming from.

2) I left my paragraph in there as a comment to your post. In no way did I say that you are scum simply because of what you said there. If you recall my reads, it was Yuzo/OO > Marilyn > Teaque > Nicolette. Yuzo is dead, I now townread OO, oh guess who's next? You and Teaque. That is why I said I will lynch you FOR NOW and WILL RELYNCH accordingly when I go back in detail and read between you two.

3) If OO was mafia, his last second plurshift that "saved me" didn't make much sense. The only way it would make sense is that he must have inspected me as mafia, so he didn't want me dead while he didn't mind Yuzo dying. However, since Yuzo flipped mafia, by that logic I must be the town miller or something. IMO OO as mafia just doesn't make sense. Furthermore, his posts, although reaction-based, are very solid and I would rather have him alive.

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I just realized I spammed the whole page with quotes ;-; Please don't hate me I have no idea how to do it like OO.

Anyways, I would like to ask Teaque a question:
Since you ranked me and Marilyn at the same level, who do you think should be lynched? Has that changed?

For now, I am gonna Lynch Marilyn because I do think OO is town from the interactions yesterday (or at least, he ranks higher than Marilyn now in my reads). The interesting case here is whether Teaque or Marilyn should be lynched today. When I finish my thoughts on that, then I will relynch accordingly.

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I forgot to collapse my quotes don't kill me Linda... oh wait you are dead hahaha :^).

Marilyn M. wrote:
Aside from that, I really don't understand your gut read as town on Titus. You call him out for so many things and you claim a lot of his posts feel 'off' but then say you have a gut read as town on him.
It honestly feels like you just really want to lynch me, and can't find a reason to not lynch Titus, so you just kinda gutread him
I don't understand your logic here. Firstly, there is no motivation. What is the point, if he is mafia, of not lynching me? There is only one mafia left, so he doesn't have to be wary about lynches anymore. Furthermore,
it is not like he townread me and thus not a sudden shift in reads. Secondly, I sense a bias here. I feel like since you scumread me, you believe everyone should scumread me too. Why would the fact that he doesn't have a reason to lynch me effect his willingness to lynch you in anyway?
I don't nessicarily think you are scum because of it, I just don't understand why. Now that I can agree with. Your only valid reasons for lynching me are that I had a bad read on you, which I get why you scumread me for, and when I 'cherry picked' I was just going for everything that wasn't big contributions, which I shouldn't have done. Your other valid reason is the Yuzo thing, which, having read it, I do see where you are coming from. The only thing I can say to this is that it falls under my miller theory with Titus.
...Are you saying that this miller theory may have a little credibility in scumhunting and thus not such a scummy thing to say after all?

you did, however, put some real thought into what you typed. You read back, and took, what I saw, as an unbiased view of the entire game, which I really appreciate

I do still believe Titus is the best lynch for today so I will lynch Titus

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Marilyn M. wrote:I have a few things I want to reply to, but I'll start
With your read on me because I feel like defending myself is the most important step
My read on you was AWFUL. I admit it. You can use that to justify your lynch.
I feel like this is kind of post that triggers OO scumtells/gutreads (considering he said he didn't like my post that said something along the line of nothing I say will change marilyn read...)

As far as the rest of it goes, the thing Titus called me out on was when I called HIM a hypocrite. He then called me a hypocrite because I was a hypocrite when reading you. Aside from that he really didn't have a defence to what I said
Are you gonna point out why I don't have a defence or are you fixated on scumreading me that you are gonna ignore what I said as not having a defence?
As far as Yuzo's interactions with me, It isn't exactly anything I can defend as it was Yuzo making the posts. I will read these posts and get back to you about it.
As far as yesterday is concerned, you have a pretty horrible argument, as the same can be said about others

Nicolette yesterday gave opinions on everything pretty much, and isn't guilty
Titus just tried to defend himself then had like a mental breakdown about being lynched
Teaque did nothing at all lol
And you weren't guilty either
So really, that argument can be used against myself, Titus, or Teaque

I'll answer Titus's question in extra detail since apparently that's what he wanted
If you flipped scum yesterday, I would have lynched Yuzo/O.O at the time. If you flipped scum today, I would go after Teaque. Yuzo is dead, and having read O.Os four part thing I refuse to believe that scum would put the effort in to reread everything, provide ANOTHER readslist, and provide thoughts on the whole game

If you flipped town yesterday, I would have gone for Yuzo+O.O, but O.O would have changed to Teaque based on what I just said.

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O O. wrote:Post 3: looking through everything once more and seeing if anything new catches my eye

Marilyn M. wrote:O O. - Certainly hasnt done much for the game, but their are better options. Neutral/Leaning scum
Linda G. - Made a large post with nice content, but in general was just pro-Titus+Lila and Anti-O (now that I say that I realise my post was mainly Anti-Lila but whatevs) Neutral
Yuzo/Nicolette - who? - neutral
Hiroki M.- Made one good post, but apart from that, who?- Neutral, leaning town
Teaque - *tips fedora* m'townread, m'reusing joke- town
Lila - Hasnt done much to the game, and didnt know there were traitors, potentially for towncred. Scum
Titus - Is awesome, has done nothing but have good ideas in his posts, should pick me over linda- Town

What jumps out at me here is marilyn tr’ing teaque and titus for (i assume) having good posts. Given that we’ve discussed now that this is mainly a lazy town or scum thing to do (and given the activity marilyn’s had, i don’t think she’s lazy town), this looks pretty bad on her.

That's actually quite a good point. I guess you can say *cough* it's quite HYPOCRITICAL *cough* of Marilyn to do so.

Teaque Q. wrote:
Linda's still a town read, starting off extremely strong and explaining reads quite well. 35-65 scum-town
Titus is neutral town, He's extremely helpful to town, but... he never follows his advice? He asks everyone for read posts but doesn't try to start off and make one of his own.

This makes me think Teaque could potentially have investigated Linda n1, if he’s scum. Either that or he didn’t really take the time to read linda’s argument in full.
Not too sure why teaque doesn’t try and push titus for being hypocritical since (if true) that’s a fairly scummy trait.

I did intent to make a readlist, but I didn't finish it that day sadly.

Marilyn M. wrote:O.O

While I admit, I cherry picked slightly while quoting your things. But it's just the sheer number I got when I did so that startled me

I still want thoughts on this. Marilyn admits she cherrypicked to make her argument (that’s very scummy) and then says there’s a “sheer number” of filler posts when that is not the case (I believe I said that you could argue up to 4 of my posts on that day were filler). Both of those together look really bad for marilyn, imo.

I wasn't active during the end of Day 2, so I will have to go back and read again in details.

Titus V. wrote:Alright, before I post my reads, let's get the initial reactions out of the way:

YES WE GOT MAFIA

WHY DID LILA KILLED HIROKI

Seems super forced. I don’t like it.

Well, I was really happy. You have no idea how happy I was when you came online and lynched Yuzo the mafia.

Nicolette D. wrote:
(about me and marilyn) You two are my best townreads at the moment (ngl they aren't like rock solid trs or anything), and the two people that I would want to live on the farthest, especially because, in a lylo situation, you two have so much in interactions that I'll have more than enough info to make a decision between you two, though I don't think that'll happen for reasons aforementioned.
I'd also like to preemptively answer one question you might have in regards to the scum optimal play with Lila's vig claim situation: you would be mistaken to scumread me for figuring out scum's optimal play. I think it's a good strategy to think in scum's eyes and evaluate everyone's actions based on that. Besides, as scum, I wouldn't have called for everyone to shut up about Lila in the first place, since nobody seemed to notice my hush-hush attempt in the first place; instead, I probably would've chimed in with Yuzo and promoted discussion on them for reasons aforementioned.

Looking at this again, it’s a bit weird. I don’t really like the way Nicolette phrases the me vs. Marilyn situation, feels a little like she’s already planned a lylo with her and us two. I’d like to know if other people think i’m reaching a bit too much or not here.
I also don’t like the wifom but that’s also a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation.

I don't see a clear motivation in wanting you two alive during Lylo.

Titus V. wrote:I am making a post about Yuzo and OO and another one about cop inspects so get hyped!!!

Idr any post about cop inspects, so get that and the post on me out asap, thanks!

I could do that but I am not sure whether it would be useful tbh. The cop inspects might be though.

Titus V. wrote:I want to ask a favor for all of you that will be useful for me. I already asked this for Marilyn, but she kinda didn't answer what I expected so let me ask everyone again:

1) If I flip mafia, who do you think should be lynched next (i.e. who is likely my partner)?

2) If I flip town, who do you think are the last 2 mafia?

I know this may be weird to ask but it will really help me.

One of the reasons i ended up gut tr-ing titus was this, it was super similar to something that a town player in a different NOC i played in did. Also interesting to note how marilyn didn’t answer properly before and then didn’t answer it properly AGAIN.

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O O. wrote:Post 2: Looking through yuzo’s interactions with people.
Looking back, yuzo fillered A LOT.

Yuzo K. wrote:
So my biggest concern with this is how you can read someone as town just because they make thought provoking arguments. I feel like we end up town reading too many mafia who are just active and post good things. (he mentions nicolette and titus as examples here)

Looks better on nicolette/titus because hes clearly trying to make people who were being tr’d for quality posts not look as good, or at least argue against them looking as good. Not sure if that necessarily means anything, or if it was just yuzo pointing out something in an attempt to look townie.

Yuzo K. wrote:Also @Marilyn, I'd like to make it clear that I don't think all the reasons presented for saying someone is town are bad
For example, I really like the point Titus or O O. brought up (not sure which one) that impulsive lynchers are more likely town. I think that makes a lot of sense for this theme

This could potentially mean he inspected someone who was more lynch-happy and said this to make them look better? Linda does fit this description but he got linda lynched so lol

Yuzo K. wrote:
Marilyn M.: Apart from your argument for Lila being scum being a little holey, I'm not getting many scummy vibes at the moment. Mostly cause you argue your points well without seeming lynch happy or defensive. Also you jump to conclusions and make a lot of accusations and though some of them don't make sense to me I don't think mafia would be brave enough to do that but I'll look more into my read on you tomorrow.

He points out multiple things that would make marilyn look scummy and then qualifies every single one with something that turns it into a townie aspect. One thing of note is that he talks about marilyn being lynch-happy… if we think of another word for that, maybe we could call her an impulsive lyncher? Yuzo could have potentially inspected marilyn and tried to anticipate possible cases against her + said this to provide ammo to defend her with.

Yuzo K. wrote:It just goes back to what Titus said. Mafia would be a lot more careful with lynching and scum reading in this theme cause they're in the same boat as a townie except they have more to lose.

Not to say that they won't but I feel like Marilyn just says what she thinks a lot more without thinking it through which I don't believe mafia would do unless they want to risk lynching their own faction.

Similar kind of post here. This is more on marilyn being impulsive.

I hate bringing back up the "Marilyn is the miller!" theory but I want to note something here. You theorized that Yuzo could have potentially inspected Marilyn, got her as mafia, and tried to defend her. Well, while making my reads regarding Marilyn, I also theorized that a good inspect for scum is Marilyn. That is why I brought up the "Marilyn is Miller" theory, because I sensed that many players in the game were sorta defending Marilyn, which implied that they inspected her and got her as mafia (similar to what you theorized). However, my gut tells me Marilyn is town - which means that the obvious conclusion is that Marilyn is the miller. When you think it is scummy of me to come up with that theory, reflect on your theory regarding Yuzo and Marilyn here and then reflect on my theory. It is very similar to what you have came up here, you just didn't go to the extent that I did.

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O O. wrote:

Titus V. wrote:
2) I still don't understand what you mean I'm lazy.

What i said was that townreading someone solely for having good content is the play of lazy town or scum. Lazy town because they don’t want to read the content and are fine with just townreading them for it, and lazy/regular scum because (see lazy town) or they don’t want to try and pick a fight with someone who is pushing out that much content because they’d likely lose. That’s what marilyn was talking about.

I am pretty sure I explained this plenty of times why I town read Nicolette. The fact that Yuzo flipped mafia further proves my point: why should she target Yuzo specifically when I was an easier push? It just doesn't make sense from a mafia perspective.

Titus V. wrote:I can't say I am happy about the reactions by players so far nor the activities or some people like Teaque who came online frequently but never said anything or Yuzo who still hasn't said anything.

If teaque has been lurking that actually looks a ton worse on him, especially if he’s the last scum and thought you were town, and then didn’t try to change the lynch because it would help him out.

Teaque said he wasn't online, but I could have sworn I saw him came online. In any case, not reacting to what happened yesterday isn't good.

Titus V. wrote:
I shall spend the last amount of time in this game to finish my thoughts on OO. Even then I am not sure if anyone will come online by deadline. I guess it will be useful at least.

You’ve got some time now, let’s hear it.

I could do that, but from yesterday actions and posts, I believe that you are likely town now. It is probably a better use of my time to make cases against Marilyn and Teaque.

Titus V. wrote:Sadly, I doubt that I will have enough time to finish the post. It's only 4 minutes left. Let me just leave you will some few thoughts: how OO reacted so far seems consistent with what I have said about him. He commented great things about the whole Marilyn vs me, but again it wasn't his idea in the first place. So my opinions about him being passive and reactive still didn't change.

Define what you mean by “it wasn’t his idea?” That i don’t come up with my own ideas and comment only/mostly on others’ ideas, or something else?

A majority of your discussion had been on the issue regarding someone else, not an issue that you personally brought up. That is what I meant by "wasn't your idea".