Game 13: Protect Wisely!

McKenzie - You might be town but I don't have to like you. Your flaws are annoying, being pretentious and self righteous to name a few. You seem to hold yourself above the rest, and feel like your view is surely the best. You demand arguements from us all, and while yes we need them you make me want to hit my head off the wall.

Gligarman - Do I even need to say it, or will it give town's view of me another hit?

Sakie - Are you my 'mafia mate' or just another person town has grown to hate? I don't even know but I'm keen on watching the show! You argued away a lot of the game, in fact your fights are part of you fame. I think it's clear a Sakie/Sayuri is not a thing, even though the alliteration makes me sing. Out of the two, I trust you less, because at times your views seemed to be a mess.

Sayuri - The one I love to defend, or not, I don't want to offend. You've argued with other throught the game too, mostly Sakie and gligarman in the que. Apparently I was always at your side, waiting to defend with my time I bide. I never meant to specifically help you, I just thought the other's lynches through.

Temaku - Almost forgot you on this one, because in the first edition of this post (pre forum fuck up) you were the top bun. I don't think I actually read what you said. It doesn't stick out in my mind, maybe there's too much hostility on the rind? I'll read back through and give some points how I see, then maybe town will probably still lynch me

Ogata R. wrote:McKenzie - You might be town but I don't have to like you. Your flaws are annoying, being pretentious and self righteous to name a few. You seem to hold yourself above the rest, and feel like your view is surely the best.  You demand arguements from us all, and while yes we need them you make me want to hit my head off the wall.

Gligarman - Do I even need to say it, or will it give town's view of me another hit?

Sakie - Are you my 'mafia mate' or just another person town has grown to hate? I don't even know but I'm keen on watching the show! You argued away a lot of the game, in fact your fights are part of you fame. I think it's clear a Sakie/Sayuri is not a thing, even though the alliteration makes me sing. Out of the two, I trust you less, because at times your views seemed to be a mess.

Sayuri - The one I love to defend, or not, I don't want to offend. You've argued with other throught the game too, mostly Sakie and gligarman in the que. Apparently I was always at your side, waiting to defend with my time I bide. I never meant to specifically help you, I just thought the other's lynches through.

Temaku - Almost forgot you on this one, because in the first edition of this post (pre forum fuck up) you were the top bun. I don't think I actually read what you said. It doesn't stick out in my mind, maybe there's too much hostility on the rind? I'll read back through and give some points how I see, then maybe town will probably still lynch me

We brought up a scumteam of you and Sayuri, not you and I. The fact that only Temaku

omg why did that send

Ogata R. wrote:McKenzie - You might be town but I don't have to like you. Your flaws are annoying, being pretentious and self righteous to name a few. You seem to hold yourself above the rest, and feel like your view is surely the best.  You demand arguements from us all, and while yes we need them you make me want to hit my head off the wall.

Gligarman - Do I even need to say it, or will it give town's view of me another hit?

Sakie - Are you my 'mafia mate' or just another person town has grown to hate? I don't even know but I'm keen on watching the show! You argued away a lot of the game, in fact your fights are part of you fame. I think it's clear a Sakie/Sayuri is not a thing, even though the alliteration makes me sing. Out of the two, I trust you less, because at times your views seemed to be a mess.

Sayuri - The one I love to defend, or not, I don't want to offend. You've argued with other throught the game too, mostly Sakie and gligarman in the que. Apparently I was always at your side, waiting to defend with my time I bide. I never meant to specifically help you, I just thought the other's lynches through.

Temaku - Almost forgot you on this one, because in the first edition of this post (pre forum fuck up) you were the top bun. I don't think I actually read what you said. It doesn't stick out in my mind, maybe there's too much hostility on the rind? I'll read back through and give some points how I see, then maybe town will probably still lynch me

Let's try this again. The fact that you only had Temaku and Sayuri on your clean list is fairly odd because they are the only two non clear people that aren't put in a scumteam with you. You seem to just be attacking whoever people think you are scum with and ignoring everyone else.

Ogata R. wrote:You demand arguements from us all, and while yes we need them you make me want to hit my head off the wall.

forced rhymes are forced

Sayuri K. wrote:

Those posts I quoted up there that I found take a huge hit to the possibility of a Ogata+Sakie scum team.

When I made those posts you quoted, I thought there was no way Temaku could be scum. Ogata+Sakie was iffy, and Gligarman+Sakie was iffy, and I really didn't see Gligarman+Ogata as a possibility. However, Georgio+Sakie and Georgio+Ogata could potentially make sense.

I was convinced that it was Georgio. Then he flipped town. Those posts you quoted are outdated. It was before Georgio flipped town, and I noticed that Sakie and Temaku have been on every single lynch on a town member.

Now, answer me this: as a mafia, why would I say something like "if Georgio flips town, I'm confirmed scum," if I know Georgio will flip town, and it's not a mylo or lylo day?

"outdated" so apparently 1 day is outdated now. i havent seen temaku do anything that makes me think shes mafia and apparently shes now on your list because you have ran out of possible suspects to throw out and that town hopefully lynches.

yeah, I really don't think Sayuri can be scum now. That leaves it between Gligarman/Ogata and Sakie/Temaku. Im gonna look back to see if Gligarman/Ogata is even a possible scumteam because
I'm not even sure anymore.

im so fucking confused

Ogata R. wrote:I forgot Gligarman was alive :/ He hasn't posted, and I thought he returned to the hive. He struck me as slightly off very early in the game, not full on scum, something more... tame? Then he seems to lose interest in us, then when we asked for a sub he caused quite a fuss. Of course this seems off, right after he is mentioned as a possible partner for me I post about him, but he's inactive and I forgot, so please don't scoff

Only this. This is the single thing I could find that could possibly validate a Gligarman/Ogata scumteam.

I have Temaku as about 85%-90% clear, mostly because of the day 2 lynch and partly because noone really fits with her well as a scumpartner. I always find it scummy when there is a unconfirmed that everybody sees as clear (see Sayuri day 3).

McKenzie Q. wrote:

Sayuri K. wrote:

Those posts I quoted up there that I found take a huge hit to the possibility of a Ogata+Sakie scum team.

When I made those posts you quoted, I thought there was no way Temaku could be scum. Ogata+Sakie was iffy, and Gligarman+Sakie was iffy, and I really didn't see Gligarman+Ogata as a possibility. However, Georgio+Sakie and Georgio+Ogata could potentially make sense.

I was convinced that it was Georgio. Then he flipped town. Those posts you quoted are outdated. It was before Georgio flipped town, and I noticed that Sakie and Temaku have been on every single lynch on a town member.

Now, answer me this: as a mafia, why would I say something like "if Georgio flips town, I'm confirmed scum," if I know Georgio will flip town, and it's not a mylo or lylo day?

"outdated" so apparently 1 day is outdated now. i havent seen temaku do anything that makes me think shes mafia and apparently shes now on your list because you have ran out of possible suspects to throw out and that town hopefully lynches.

If that one day gives us a massive amount of info, then yes.

I'm not just pulling this out of nowhere. Look at past games. On game 11, all the townies that were lynched had either Butler, Makino, or both on the lynch. Same with game 12. Every lynch involved a combo of the three mafia: Kezoki, Mizunho, and Warden.

Now, it you not find it the least bit strange that Temaku and Sakie have been on every towny lynch?

Sayuri K. wrote:If that one day gives us a massive amount of info, then yes.

I'm not just pulling this out of nowhere. Look at past games. On game 11, all the townies that were lynched had either Butler, Makino, or both on the lynch. Same with game 12. Every lynch involved a combo of the three mafia: Kezoki, Mizunho, and Warden.

Now, it you not find it the least bit strange that Temaku and Sakie have been on every towny lynch?

Kezoki, Mizuho, and Brandon tyvm

just looked back at game 12, and what you're saying is flawed logic. Yes, Kezoki and Mizuho were on almost every lynch, but most of the time they were the only 2 people or most of the group once Brandon showed up. They were also mostly leading the lynches, and while I can't speak for Temaku, I've mostly been for other lynches and then switched over by someone else's logic, usually Sayuri's. I don't think my end of day lynch has ever matched my first lynch of the day, except day 3 (not 100% sure on that).

Sakie H. wrote:just looked back at game 12, and what you're saying is flawed logic.  Yes, Kezoki and Mizuho were on almost every lynch, but most of the time they were the only 2 people or most of the group once Brandon showed up.  They were also mostly leading the lynches, and while I can't speak for Temaku, I've mostly been for other lynches and then switched over by someone else's logic, usually Sayuri's.  I don't think my end of day lynch has ever matched my first lynch of the day, except day 3 (not 100% sure on that).

Again with the bandwagoning = not bad logic?

Sayuri K. wrote:

Sakie H. wrote:just looked back at game 12, and what you're saying is flawed logic.  Yes, Kezoki and Mizuho were on almost every lynch, but most of the time they were the only 2 people or most of the group once Brandon showed up.  They were also mostly leading the lynches, and while I can't speak for Temaku, I've mostly been for other lynches and then switched over by someone else's logic, usually Sayuri's.  I don't think my end of day lynch has ever matched my first lynch of the day, except day 3 (not 100% sure on that).

Again with the bandwagoning = not bad logic?

Im not band'wagoning on lynches. None of my lynches have been "oh look everyones lynching x player lets lynch them." I've always provided a reason for every single one of my lynches, save day 3. The Lillian lynch is the only one you can say I bandwagonned on, and you were on that lynch as well.

lynch Ogata

I'm keeping my lynch on Ogata for the rest of the day. Sayuri's actions yesterday make her clear in my eyes, and of the 3 unclear besides myself, I don't see a more likely scum than Ogata. We still have 6 hours, there's plenty of time to discuss if people get on.

Sakie H. wrote:

Sayuri K. wrote:

Sakie H. wrote:just looked back at game 12, and what you're saying is flawed logic.  Yes, Kezoki and Mizuho were on almost every lynch, but most of the time they were the only 2 people or most of the group once Brandon showed up.  They were also mostly leading the lynches, and while I can't speak for Temaku, I've mostly been for other lynches and then switched over by someone else's logic, usually Sayuri's.  I don't think my end of day lynch has ever matched my first lynch of the day, except day 3 (not 100% sure on that).

Again with the bandwagoning = not bad logic?

Im not band'wagoning on lynches.  None of my lynches have been "oh look everyones lynching x player lets lynch them."  I've always provided a reason for every single one of my lynches, save day 3. The Lillian lynch is the only one you can say I bandwagonned on, and you were on that lynch as well.

I still don't see your point. It doesn't matter who is leading and who is following, you two were still on every towny lynch.

Sakie H. wrote:lynch Ogata

I'm keeping my lynch on Ogata for the rest of the day.  Sayuri's actions yesterday make her clear in my eyes, and of the 3 unclear besides myself, I don't see a more likely scum than Ogata.  We still have 6 hours, there's plenty of time to discuss if people get on.

Explain how a Gligarman+Ogata team makes any sense at all. Why would Gligarman LEAD A LYNCH on his partner on mylo?

Alright. Since I lost confidence in the Ogata/Gligarman scumteam, I looked to the only other possible scum in my eyes: Temaku. After reading through 10 PAGES of posts (;-, I didn't really see Temaku/Gligarman as very viable. However, I did see jumping on Ogata from time to time and then leaving him alone. It's not the most likely scumteam I've ever seen, but with everyone playing fairly intelligently and not making many super rash decisions, it's the best theory that I've got.

smh why did it make a winking face

sakie x temaku
sakie x gligarman
temaku x gligarman
sayuri x ogata
gligarman x ogata
sayuri x gligarmman

am i missing combos

Sakie H. wrote:Alright.  Since I lost confidence in the Ogata/Gligarman scumteam, I looked to the only other possible scum in my eyes: Temaku.  After reading through 10 PAGES of posts (;-, I didn't really see Temaku/Gligarman as very viable.  However, I did see jumping on Ogata from time to time and then leaving him alone.  It's not the most likely scumteam I've ever seen, but with everyone playing fairly intelligently and not making many super rash decisions, it's the best theory that I've got.

I thought we established that Temaku would just lynch you if she was scum but not in a scum team with you?

At this point I wouldn't be surprised by a Gligarman Sakie scum team. Despite "suspecting" a Gligarman+Ogata team, she's gone mainly onto Ogata and been very lenient on Gligarman.

Gligarman, Temaku, whichever one of you is town, lynch Sakie.

Lynch Sakie

Sayuri K. wrote:

Sakie H. wrote:Alright.  Since I lost confidence in the Ogata/Gligarman scumteam, I looked to the only other possible scum in my eyes: Temaku.  After reading through 10 PAGES of posts (;-, I didn't really see Temaku/Gligarman as very viable.  However, I did see jumping on Ogata from time to time and then leaving him alone.  It's not the most likely scumteam I've ever seen, but with everyone playing fairly intelligently and not making many super rash decisions, it's the best theory that I've got.

I thought we established that Temaku would just lynch you if she was scum but not in a scum team with you?

At this point I wouldn't be surprised by a Gligarman Sakie scum team. Despite "suspecting" a Gligarman+Ogata team, she's gone mainly onto Ogata and been very lenient on Gligarman.

Gligarman, Temaku, whichever one of you is town, lynch Sakie.

Lynch Sakie

Temakus lynch on Kezochi came super early in the day and told him to "stop lurking and start helping". If she was scum with Ogata, she would have noticed later on in the day that since noone else was lynching, she couldn't have saved Kezochi by unlynching. Your theory would only make sense if Temaku lynched Kezochi near deadline and you only suspect me and Gligarman as a scumteam so you can ask one of them to lynch me. I know you're most likely town but like McKenzie circa day 3 I don't agree with your logic.

McKenzie Q. wrote:sakie x temaku
sakie x gligarman
temaku x gligarman
sayuri x ogata
gligarman x ogata
sayuri x gligarmman

am i missing combos

almost all of those scumteams make no sense

Sakie H. wrote:

Sayuri K. wrote:

Sakie H. wrote:Alright.  Since I lost confidence in the Ogata/Gligarman scumteam, I looked to the only other possible scum in my eyes: Temaku.  After reading through 10 PAGES of posts (;-, I didn't really see Temaku/Gligarman as very viable.  However, I did see jumping on Ogata from time to time and then leaving him alone.  It's not the most likely scumteam I've ever seen, but with everyone playing fairly intelligently and not making many super rash decisions, it's the best theory that I've got.

I thought we established that Temaku would just lynch you if she was scum but not in a scum team with you?

At this point I wouldn't be surprised by a Gligarman Sakie scum team. Despite "suspecting" a Gligarman+Ogata team, she's gone mainly onto Ogata and been very lenient on Gligarman.

Gligarman, Temaku, whichever one of you is town, lynch Sakie.

Lynch Sakie

Temakus lynch on Kezochi came super early in the day and told him to "stop lurking and start helping".  If she was scum with Ogata, she would have noticed later on in the day that since noone else was lynching, she couldn't have saved Kezochi by unlynching.  Your theory would only make sense if Temaku lynched Kezochi near deadline and you only suspect me and Gligarman as a scumteam so you can ask one of them to lynch me.  I know you're most likely town but like McKenzie circa day 3 I don't agree with your logic.

How is Temaku+Ogata more viable? Like I said before, if Temaku is scum teamed with ANYONE besides you, she could've just lynched you and saved Kazuchi. Temaku+Anyone besides you isn't viable, unless you think she give the town a free mafia lynch.