Game 9: Fire and Ice Mafia

Julie C. wrote:Alright so...I've been looking through things, and I believe that Kazuki is the Ice Mafia. He seems to be going with the flow of the town. This is mostly a gut feeling, but I do have one thing to point out in his reads. I bolded the parts I am talking about.

Kazuki N. wrote:So here's my analysis/reads of the current players:

Tori P. lynches Bucky A. meaning these two are unlikely in the same faction. This lynch could potentially be a bandwagon, but I understand where he is coming, and honestly I would place my vote on Bucky A. too.

Romeo M. stated "We can't even lynch today." in one of his earlier post, but then started the first lynch on Bucky A. However, this may just be a part of his scum hunting techniques, but also could potentially be a scumslip. And obviously, Romeo M. and Bucky A. is unlikely to be in the same faction.

I am reading Robert O. as town. He seems very innocent at the moment and is contributing to discussions.

[b]Callister W. is in a similar boat with Robert O. Nothing suspicious about her yet, and she seems to contribute to town discussions. For me, she is town.  She provided a read and her vote on Trixie may be a bandwagon, but she provided arguments.[b/]

Bucky A. is super scummy to me for claiming villy out of the blue, especially after being lynch by Romeo. She is leaning mafia to me at the moment.

Trixie T is in danger of being lynched at the moment. The main accusation of her is lurking, and popping in just to make questionable claims and arguments. Trixie, though, did not took the same approach as Bucky A. did and did not try to defend herself as much. For me at the moment, she is leaning Mafia.

[b]Julie C. and Namiko R. both voted for trixie, and seems to think that trixie is the more scummier one compared to Bucky. This could mean that one of them is mafia with Bucky. I am unclear what to say about them at the moment, partially because I don't really understand what happened during day 1 about Trixie.[b/]

Gulzar and Akina hasn't talked at all, so I don't know what to say about them at the moment.

So basically in conclusion, I start to see some opposition in views of players and choosing who to agree and disagree with.

If I was to vote, it would be on BUCKY A. but seeing how town should lynch I wouldn't mind voting on TRIXIE either. I would like to hear some discussions on this first.

This seems odd to me. Callister bandwagon lynches Trixie, but she seems town to Kazuki. Me and Namiko lynch Trixie (before Callister) and we could possibly be in a scum team with Bucky? Seems odd, wouldn't you agree?

Kazuki N. wrote:

Romeo M. wrote:However, he calls Callister's votes a bandwagon while he never says anything to imply that Julie's and Namiko's votes are bandwagons...

I'm not sure. Kazuki, any specific reason you said Julie and Namiko could be mafia partners with Bucky while you did not say so for Callister? [/q]


I saw that callister provided more helpful arguments and contributions to town than julie or namiko, whose lynches were more random and rather a bold speculation. Let's face it, have anyone thought callister was mafia? And bucky was villy? Not at all.

Also @Julie, what makes you think i'm the ice mafia over trixie?

Julie C. wrote:Did her arguments have more words? Yes. But what do both arguments boil down to? Trixie popped in, made a bold accusation, and didn't post again. Namiko and I had already made that argument. Callister then comes in, takes the same point that Namiko originally makes, adds more words, and suddenly she's more likely to be town?

The reason that I think you are more likely to be ice mafia than Trixie is because of Callister's lynch on Trixie. Sure, it could've been bussing, but this doesn't look like  a lynch to make it seem like she wasn't with Trixie. At the time, Trixie wasn't in extreme danger of getting lynched, and it was just as likely that Bucky was getting lynched. To me, this was either her putting her mafia partner in danger for no reason, or trying to get a fire mafia lynched.

Romeo M. wrote:Trixie, if you need a summary i'm happy to provide you with one.

Romeo M. wrote:

Gulzar L. wrote:So I'm Gulzar 2.0 or the new sub confirming. Jus got my password and name today and will be checking the conversations and stuff to see what has been going on around here so yeah unless someone wants to sum it up to me in a nutshell that would be really nice and as well if u guys want to post ur previous feedback or opinions to me, that would jus be amazing so I don't have to surf around this thread all day .

Quite a bit of stuff has happened thus far, i'll do my best to summarize but I recommend you skim over everything said as well so that you can form your own ideas of what has happened (because my summary will be from my viewpoint, meaning that some things will be biased and/or wrong, although I will do my best to keep that to a minimum).
Day 1 began, Kazuki, Julie, and Trixie posted once(not all immediately of course), while Victor, Antony, Tori, and I essentially lead the conversation. Tori lynched me to reaction test and also had a feeling I could be mafia because I was trying to start discussion, and he said that some scum start discussion to feel out the strong players and he believed that I was one of those. He unlynched later, saying that he was laying off but not removing all suspicion off of me. Antony was relatively suspicious of Tori, because the post where he lynched me was immediately after a post that townread me. Antony tried to get us to vote off Tori, but nobody really followed it because we all saw Tori as town. Later, I began to complain about the fact that we had a lot of lurkers and Victor went to work, discovering that Namiko and (later) Callister had been lurking. He started a lynch on Namiko that both Tori and Antony followed, since we wanted to lynch inactive townies, but Namiko showed up after those votes were cast and brought up Trixie's one post, which seemed to be trying to shift attention onto Tori and make him seem like he was mafia. Due to this, she lynched Trixie and I, also thinking that this was a valid point in addition to the fact that Trixie had been lurking while Namiko had begun to post, also lynched Trixie. The day ended with a no lynch, with 3 votes on Namiko and 2 votes on Trixie.

In the night, aj put the deadline off a whole day, whereupon Victor and I complained quite a bit about it, but the day eventually started and it was revealed that Victor and Antony had been killed by the two mafia factions. Immediately, I noticed that they were targeting active townies and complained that with this, there wouldn't even be enough people to lynch. I believe around this point Robert was subbed into a new user; this Robert hasn't shown up after the beginning of Day 2. I believe Julie showed up and began to contribute, and in an attempt to spur discussion, I voted Bucky. Namiko soon voted Trixie afterwards, and a new user subbed in for Kazuki. Bucky came out in response to my post and said something along the lines of "don't lynch me i'm a vanilla townie." This seemed pretty suspicious and somewhat forced, since everyone is going to claim vanilla townie in this gamemode. Soon after this, Tori voted for Bucky due to the reasoning I said above and I believe Callister came on and posted her reads on the four people I had mentioned. In that post, she lynched Trixie. Sometime around this post, Julie also lynched Trixie. Later, Bucky posted again saying he understood the criticism and said that he was having trouble with the forums. A lot of us pushed Bucky to contribute, but he essentially refused to do so. I believe after a couple posts of this, Kazuki voted Bucky, Julie unvoted Trixie and voted Bucky (as we have pretty much agreed we want someone to get lynched, since the vote is our weapon). Bucky pointed out Julie's vote-switch and called it scummy.  Callister also unvoted Trixie and voted Bucky after Bucky and I (incorrectly) stated that she had bandwagoned onto Bucky, as we both had misinterpreted what Julie said in response to Bucky's post. I believe somewhere near the end of what I just typed was a point where I brought up the possibility of a Trixie + Bucky scumteam.

Currently, Bucky has 5 votes and is at Lynch - 1, Trixie has one vote, and Gulzar, Akina, Bucky, and Trixie have not voted.

Ok, I summarized what has happened the best I could, but I still recommend you read the whole thing just in case I messed anything up (which I probably did, no way i'm remembering everything that happened thus far perfectly).

Trixie T. wrote:

Julie C. wrote:Did her arguments have more words? Yes. But what do both arguments boil down to? Trixie popped in, made a bold accusation, and didn't post again. Namiko and I had already made that argument. Callister then comes in, takes the same point that Namiko originally makes, adds more words, and suddenly she's more likely to be town?

The reason that I think you are more likely to be ice mafia than Trixie is because of Callister's lynch on Trixie. Sure, it could've been bussing, but this doesn't look like  a lynch to make it seem like she wasn't with Trixie. At the time, Trixie wasn't in extreme danger of getting lynched, and it was just as likely that Bucky was getting lynched. To me, this was either her putting her mafia partner in danger for no reason, or trying to get a fire mafia lynched.

Yes, it is a likely possibility that Kazuki can be mafia. He is trying to act like a town leader and making some bold statements, but isn't he doing what everybody else is pretty much doing? I'm debating if I should lynch or not at this moment, and trying to still catch up from the best of my ability from my lurking before.

Kazuki N. wrote:I said that because you're assuming that i am the ice mafia just because i read callister as town despite her bandwagon. Callister actually replied to people when questioned. If you were to ask anyone, even romeo, no one would say that callister is mafia. Is he therefore the ice mafia to read callister as town despite the bandwagon? No.

So what's your point, julie? I find your claim to be rather, pure speculation.

Kazuki N. wrote:

Trixie T. wrote:

Julie C. wrote:Did her arguments have more words? Yes. But what do both arguments boil down to? Trixie popped in, made a bold accusation, and didn't post again. Namiko and I had already made that argument. Callister then comes in, takes the same point that Namiko originally makes, adds more words, and suddenly she's more likely to be town?

The reason that I think you are more likely to be ice mafia than Trixie is because of Callister's lynch on Trixie. Sure, it could've been bussing, but this doesn't look like  a lynch to make it seem like she wasn't with Trixie. At the time, Trixie wasn't in extreme danger of getting lynched, and it was just as likely that Bucky was getting lynched. To me, this was either her putting her mafia partner in danger for no reason, or trying to get a fire mafia lynched.

Yes, it is a likely possibility that Kazuki can be mafia. He is trying to act like a town leader and making some bold statements, but isn't he doing what everybody else is pretty much doing? I'm debating if I should lynch or not at this moment, and trying to still catch up from the best of my ability from my lurking before.

Uhhhh, when am i acting as town leader? And can you quote some of my "bold speculations"? I mean, you just joined so how did you know what i did during this day?

Romeo M. wrote:Ignore the last part about the lynches on my most recent post. I'll summarize what has happened today once I get back, I have to eat dinner right now.

Kazuki N. wrote:Callister may give the same reasonings as you and namiko did but i felt that she inclined to help town and replied to what we ask as oppose to you and namiko who i felt just stick to what you said from day 1 and bringing it over to day 2.

Trixie T. wrote:

Kazuki N. wrote:

Trixie T. wrote:

Julie C. wrote:Did her arguments have more words? Yes. But what do both arguments boil down to? Trixie popped in, made a bold accusation, and didn't post again. Namiko and I had already made that argument. Callister then comes in, takes the same point that Namiko originally makes, adds more words, and suddenly she's more likely to be town?

The reason that I think you are more likely to be ice mafia than Trixie is because of Callister's lynch on Trixie. Sure, it could've been bussing, but this doesn't look like  a lynch to make it seem like she wasn't with Trixie. At the time, Trixie wasn't in extreme danger of getting lynched, and it was just as likely that Bucky was getting lynched. To me, this was either her putting her mafia partner in danger for no reason, or trying to get a fire mafia lynched.

Yes, it is a likely possibility that Kazuki can be mafia. He is trying to act like a town leader and making some bold statements, but isn't he doing what everybody else is pretty much doing? I'm debating if I should lynch or not at this moment, and trying to still catch up from the best of my ability from my lurking before.

Uhhhh, when am i acting as town leader? And can you quote some of my "bold speculations"? I mean, you just joined so how did you know what i did during this day?

Pretty much all of your recent posts were bold speculation, and are trying to act like a town member and fit in more then others were. I may have worded that wrong with town leader, sorry for confusing you. The thing is, I feel you are acting very similar to everyone else, which could be a lead as you being a town or a mafia.

Kazuki N. wrote:

Trixie T. wrote:

Kazuki N. wrote:

Trixie T. wrote:

Julie C. wrote:Did her arguments have more words? Yes. But what do both arguments boil down to? Trixie popped in, made a bold accusation, and didn't post again. Namiko and I had already made that argument. Callister then comes in, takes the same point that Namiko originally makes, adds more words, and suddenly she's more likely to be town?

The reason that I think you are more likely to be ice mafia than Trixie is because of Callister's lynch on Trixie. Sure, it could've been bussing, but this doesn't look like  a lynch to make it seem like she wasn't with Trixie. At the time, Trixie wasn't in extreme danger of getting lynched, and it was just as likely that Bucky was getting lynched. To me, this was either her putting her mafia partner in danger for no reason, or trying to get a fire mafia lynched.

Yes, it is a likely possibility that Kazuki can be mafia. He is trying to act like a town leader and making some bold statements, but isn't he doing what everybody else is pretty much doing? I'm debating if I should lynch or not at this moment, and trying to still catch up from the best of my ability from my lurking before.

Uhhhh, when am i acting as town leader? And can you quote some of my "bold speculations"? I mean, you just joined so how did you know what i did during this day?

Pretty much all of your recent posts were bold speculation, and are trying to act like a town member and fit in more then others were. I may have worded that wrong with town leader, sorry for confusing you. The thing is, I feel you are acting very similar to everyone else, which could be a lead as you being a town or a mafia.

So if i'm acting similar to everyone, they are all mafia or town?