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Game 31: Separated Scum

I, the great Magnus D., am very disappointed that neither Kazalie nor Mr. Cheeves flipped scum, and will need to reprimand myself and seriously re-evaluate some of my reads if I keep hitting town after town!

I believe that Mr. Honcho has yet to redeem himself of his bad Day 1, and unless he does so, I am lynching Mr. Honcho.

My current town to scum list is as follows:

Magnus D. The Great (obvious town)
Ed S.
Maria S.
Rhonda R.
Roderick S.
Mona L.
Wilkinson A.
Kodama N.
Mr. Honcho (hopefully scum)

I realise some of my townreads rank a little low, and that would be due to the fact that upon closer inspection of the game, I just townread others more. The shift that Ed mentioned regarding Kodama is a primary reason for him being so low on the list, and regarding Wilkinson, his low effort isn't enough to rank him higher than I put him regardless of how I town read his tone before.

I don't think I missed any questions directed at me, but if I did, or even if I didn't, you can ask me anything!

Game 31: Separated Scum

Ed S. wrote:#9: I agree with (forgetting who said it but I think it was Mona) that scum can fake a comment like Roderick’s, firstly. What I wanted to point out here was his Vigging order of Kazalie>Kazalie>Kazalie. Magnus was the one who initially suggested that we give the Vigilante 2-3 targets, but at the moment he’s only expressed a desire for Kazalie to be shot.

I, the great Magnus D., posted earlier regarding hopefully coming back before deadline precisely for this - to get a better list of preferred Vig targets than only Kazalie. I'm sure it is also saddening for everyone else, but on top of that I also do not have the time to go into great detail about the reasoning behind each of my picks at the moment or to read each post - I have only skimmed most of them so far.

Ed: Regarding my new meta scum read on Kazalie, I suppose that there is the chance that I am mistaken, but I believe this setup doesn't discourage not lynching your "scumreads" as scum, as you want to keep scum alive as scum. I hope it makes sense while not dangerously treading into wifom territory, as - despite wine being a fine and tasty choice for an alcoholic beverage - it is, as others have correctly stated, best avoided completely especially given the nature of this setup.
I am also of the firm belief that it's far less scummy of Mona to not lynch Wilkinson if he's her top scumread atm, since a single vote won't nearly be enough to get him lynched before deadline, and it's much closer to it right now as well. Obviously, the Vig can eliminate him on top of that anyway, so I believe her decision is still appropriate.

I don't think I can provide 4 solid scumreads at the moment (including the current lynchee as one), so my final list of preferred Vig targets at the moment is:
Kazalie > Mr. Honcho > Others (no particular preferences outside of please not shooting my current townreads though I don't think that will happen)
I feel Honcho has been scummier than Wilkinson in both their limited amounts of posts, but I'm not really sure how to argue in favor of sparing Wilkinson given that my townread on him is based on my great gut.
I think I saw someone post a preferred target list - the Vig should look at that and update according to this and other peoples' updates. Or if someone could compile it that would truly be great, I need to leave again very soon.

Game 31: Separated Scum

I, the tired Magnus D., shall reply to what has been said since my last post later, hopefully before deadline, and request that our great host grants us a vote count.

Game 31: Separated Scum

I, the great Magnus D., have developed some new reads since my last post!

Ed S. wrote:

Roderick S. wrote:as if they know they're lynching town so trying to justify that they have a reason for it

Other fallacy I'm noticing just now regarding the bolded section: scum at this point has no clue who else is scum and who is town. I've mentioned my personal issue with tone reading but if this what you mean to imply it doesn't make sense.

When I first read his posts, I was leaning town on him based on gut. This realisation makes me lean town a bit more on Roderick, because faulty logic or not, I really doubt that as scum he would have simply forgotten that he is not aware of who his buddies are. More reasoning would still be appreciated though.

Kazalie Z. wrote:As for my reads, I'm going to start with my 2 biggest scum reads for now: Mona and Kodama.

Mona: I simply did not like Mona's first post, it seemed too much like she was just explaining the setup without saying anything important.

Kodama: A read list where almost everyone is town or neutral doesn't help anyone especially when it is your only post.

Discussing the setup is actually important in my opinion given that it's not standardised and (almost) all of us have never played something like this before, so the scumread on Mona is off. As for the scumread on Kodama, I have counted his reads - 3 town, 2 scum, 4 neutral - which in my opinion is a perfectly reasonable list. I have a scumlean on Kazalie because I believe her reasonings for scumreading others are absolutely inappropriate!

Mona's reads post which I won't bother quoting simply seems more town than scum motivated to me, so I'll give her a slight town lean. However I am very disappointed in you for not liking me, the great Magnus D.! Terrible taste in people, that is, and ashamed you should be!

Wilkinson's comeback..... seems townie to me, but I can't really put a finger on why!

Edd S. wrote:Firstly: I hope you feel better soon, Mona. Make sure to get rest. Also, thank you for trying.

Mona L. wrote:
Kodama: Well he started with a readslist, but in that readlist he's already being weird. That isn't really scummy though, as scum doesn't know anything right now either. His reasoning on the lynch is confusing (or maybe I just don't get it) Kodama in general is kind of acting strange, his reasoning seriously needs an explanation, yet I don't think scum would be so careless as to let their explanations be as confusing as Kodama's are. Leaning town

The underlined portion is something I haven’t considered and makes sense. Thank you for bringing it up.

I, Magnus D., believe that scum could very well make confusing explanations in hopes that town wouldn't bother to enquire about it, and I would have to disagree with this reasoning!

Eddy S. wrote:

Mona L. wrote:
Mr. Cheeves: I actually think he's town, he seems a bit too defeatist to be scum. I have seen town fight tooth and nail to stay alive and I've seen scum fight tooth and nail to stay alive, but I have yet to see someone who is scum decide to just accept their imminent lynch. Probably town

I think this, on the other hand, could be wifom. I’ve not seen town accept an imminent lynch, but I have in the past seen scum do so (albeit maybe not so openly). The defense Mr. Cheeves does offer is that he doesn’t “approve of” Kodama’s reason for lynching him, which reminds me a lot of things like this:

Zachary O. wrote:No seriously, I've been lynched for the most STUPID reasons. I heard "He was too paranoid" I heard "He was too defensize" I even heard "Zach, get ready to get lynched when day starts. I mean, I'd lynch Victor, but he's my bae now" (Stupidest one imo).

(I don’t refer to Zachary specifically here, but this captures what I’m trying to say well.) If you want to check this for context, it’s Game 17 on this site. Zachary was the lynch that day (D1) and flipped Mafia Goon.

Having seen both town and scum in this situation, I firmly believe that defeatism is not alignment indicative - what I do believe is alignment indicative is whether they have properly rebutted all arguments before becoming defeatist, and this is why I'm keeping my vote on Mr. Cheeves.

Not Ed Sheeran wrote:

Mona L. wrote:
Kazalie: I'm not sure what Kazalie is doing, but didn't realize the game had started, then has 4 reads with little explanation, then points something out and leaves everyone to make their own conclusions about it. Leaning scum

I took this (the underlined portion) to be a way of her saying, “This is another scummy thing about Kodama, what do others think of him?” Maybe it’s just me though-how did others interpret this?

This is quite clearly our daily display of scummy scum being scummy scum, as proven by the usage of the new meta involving stating your scumreads and then not lynching them!

In the event that I do not manage to elaborate on anything else that happens before our lynch occurs, I believe for reasons I have stated that this would be the best vigging order:
Kazalie > Kazalie > Kazalie
I certainly hope this town believes my vigging order to be reasonable, and I guarantee that I am not tunnelling at all - not in the slightest!

Game 31: Separated Scum

Mona L. wrote:Another thing I wanted to point out is that someone said scum has no reason to be town leaders, except the problem is that they do. They have every reason to. They're all cops, they can find the other scum, so they're not likely to be in any danger of eachother. They don't have anything to lose by being town leaders, so they might as well be as towny as they can be, to make sure they don't get killed.

I, the great Magnus D., am probably the one you are referring to, and I have already addressed that I didn't at all mean to imply that scum has no reason to be a town leader, but merely less reasons than in Star-Crossed!

Game 31: Separated Scum

Wilkinson A. wrote:Lynch Magnus D.

I don't like your swaggin' style.

I, Magnus D. believe that it is preposterous for you to ignore everything else in favor of a vote on a far superior player at this stage of the game!

Game 31: Separated Scum

Maria S. wrote:Magnus you say that your first post was a trap to lure scum into jumping on you, yet you lynch mr cheeves because he didnt jump on you? Also why is jumping on you a scummy move if a legitimate reason is made? Surely thats a sign of pro-activeness regardless of ease of reading the situation.

I was talking more about a case where either no legitimate reason is made, or where someone would restate someone else's reasoning, or just sheep the first vote with no further reasoning or information behind it. In Cheeves' case I, Magnus D., believe that it's scummy that he chose to completely ignore my crossvote with Ed despite wanting to analyse reactions in RVS, which my first post definitely was.

Game 31: Separated Scum

Maria S. wrote:Well magnus you definitely were lazy at the time of ur first post lol, however that point still applies to everyone who has logged on but decided to not post anything (eg. Rhonda and others that i cant remember). Quite strange since there is definitely a live topic of discussion.

It was not lazy. In fact, it was a calculated plan that I, the great Magnus D., have laid out to catch scum off guard whenever they decided to address my first post! I fear it could have worked a lot better than it actually did since sadly, not many people have posted since, and thus nobody jumped on me for an easy wagon like I had expected from at least one or two people, but I definitely believe that there is indeed at least one person who has been caught red handed regardless of my original plan!

Mr cheeves, at the time no one has actually given their own opinion on Ed's post but magnus just said "i agree with everything u said", that was an opportunity for you, who posted directly afterwards, to question his post despite there being unanswered questions as to why he didnt give his own answers to the question. Instead, you just decided to joke about it and attempt to initiate RVS. I dont have a problem with joking around if its in conjunction with proactive scumhunting but there was a clear opportunity yet u just decided to go for RVS. I understand that you wanted to use RVS to get reactions, but magnus pretty much gave his reaction to Ed's post, yet you dont decide to make use of something that you were intending to find? Sounds a bit contradictory.

This right here is what I, the great Magnus D., believe to be the best possible reasoning for a lynch at the moment! Of course, I do dislike Rhonda popping in without posting anything, as well as anyone else who may have done so (although I fear I must admit to not having kept track of any such vile deeds, or non-deeds rather), but I far prefer lynching someone who is active on day 1 and get substitutes for any inactive players, and I do not yet see much that would unsettle me coming from anyone else.
I assure you this isn't laziness this time.

Ed S. wrote:Magnus: There’s always an incentive for scum to take a leader role in my opinion, given the need to push mislynches. I was encouraging everyone to be more active because they don’t have to worry as much about being nightkilled.

I am very aware of, do not disagree with this, and did not mean to imply that I do. I was solely pointing out the discrepancies in your comparison of this setup to Star-Crossed, which I believe to be inaccurate.


Vote Mr. Cheeves

Game 31: Separated Scum

I, the great Magnus D., believe that the Vig should not hardclaim right off the bat, as them being alive indicates that scum cannot get free inspects every night.

There are also many things that completely slipped my mind when I first read Ed's post. Softing roleblocks would allow scum to get the information they want without town being able to confuse them since they are likely to know or be able to narrow down their partners and hence the Vig. We should avoid softing roleblocks at any cost and immediately policy lynch anyone who does!

There is also not that much use in taking a leader role for scum since this is not actually that similar to Star-Crossed - scum have no communication but also don't know each other and are thus unlikely to coordinate in this thread just as well.

If the Mafia Roleblocker and Mafia Vig are gone I'd definitely not mind having our Vig hardclaim. Roleblocker doesn't matter as much though - if the Mafia Vig is gone I'd be fine with a claim at that point already as well.

And speaking of our Vig, I'd be fine with giving them 2-3 targets and leave it to them to pick the best target as long as the scum:town ratio isn't too terrible (say scum occupying 33% or more of the town).

Maria, I'm not lazy! There are perfectly valid reasons for everything I say in here.

Game 31: Separated Scum

In a normal situation, I would OMGUS the hell out of you, but your first post is town af and I agree with like every point you make.
Vote Ed S.
In this abnormal situation, I do it anyway, because I'm the greatest mafia player ever and I can afford to do this!

Game 31: Separated Scum

The only good avatar here is that of myself, Magnus D. the Great!

Game 31: Separated Scum

Confirming that I am the greatest mafia player to ever have existed.
Also disappointed that I'm not a loli.
Time to kick this town's - I mean scum's - ass.