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Game 32: Farmer's Hydra (Part 2)

Jeremiah W. wrote:lol you guys think these points matter do you ever check the leaderboard this tournament has been over for 2 years.

Wink
by Cherry P.
on Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:18 am
 
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Points Leaderboard

i wasnt
by Cherry P.
on Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:24 pm
 
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Points Leaderboard

#1: rssp1- 112 points
#2: Drookez- 77 points

LUL
by Cherry P.
on Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:51 pm
 
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Game 32: Farmer's Hydra (Part 2)

Kimmy S. wrote:Remind me why Infernando was obtown to you?

pushing emmy continuously + genuine reaction the the plurshift
looking back infernando + emmy scumteam also made zero sense whereas you + emmy scumteam made perfect sense

Infernando G. wrote:also kimmy i will fite u in reveals call for targeting me even after the game is over

I may be small and fat and wear a mime jr costume but i can also breath fire so be afraid Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad Twisted Evil

gg
by Cherry P.
on Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:04 am
 
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scumreading you for interactions is wholly reasonable, don't get too salty lad
infernando was almost completely irrelevant to both scum being lynched aside from being fairly obvious town and helping with poe (which was p much made irrelevant since I was set on lynching emmy and then caroline got offed)
by Cherry P.
on Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:57 am
 
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did i seriously get less points than the version of myself that talked about being a snowflake
this game was a farce
by Cherry P.
on Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:59 am
 
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Caroline M. wrote:Lmfao i love how most QTs are somewhat productive and then theres me and carol like "how should we confuse town for the lolz"

my qt is just me talking to new partners continuously ;-;
by Cherry P.
on Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:13 pm
 
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Caroline M. wrote:
Tbh infernando we all still love you <3

I don't, infernando sucks
by Cherry P.
on Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:20 pm
 
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Caroline M. wrote:
Infernando G. wrote:didn't
suck
if
I
didn't
lose

gg

tg
by Cherry P.
on Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:39 pm
 
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Infernando G. wrote:jk survivor sucks hehe

say that to my face
by Cherry P.
on Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:39 pm
 
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Kimmy S. wrote:
Also our scumchat Night 4 was hilarious because me and Emmy were like "FUUUUUCK"

I want to see the full scumchat now .3.

Kimmy S. wrote:
If I didn't have such screwy interactions with Emmy, would you have lynched me in LyLo?

Depends. there were reasons I thought Infernando couldn't be teammates with Emmy as well as me thinking that you were the likely teammate for Emmy. If literally all the interactions you had with Emmy changed, it'd be hard to say because it would be a completely different game.

Halsey N. wrote:Funny thing is, both scum are the only ones that actually dismissed it. Everybody else agreed.

I dismissed it too ya dummy

Caroline M. wrote:
I swear it split but then it sorta took a load of pages from one thread and put it in the other which made it 40?

Oh, i've got no idea then lol

Kimmy S. wrote:Cherry if I killed Infernando would you have lynched Caro?

If I had gone into the day and done everything I did in this LyLo then no, but if I had impulsively lynched then yes.

Caroline M. wrote:
Anyway i had an ulterior motive on my comment about "nightkill will reveal mafia".  i said this hoping that kimmy realises what i meant (basically what cherry detailed) and kills cherry so I can stay alive and lynch kimmy (since i was absolutely certain infernando is town regardless of who is killed).

Oh lol, I picked up on this and was unsure who the mafia was so I made sure to emphasize that I felt kimmy was town and i didn't know whether infernando was scum or not so that itd make it even more obvious as to who scum was via which of the two of us died.

Infernando G. wrote:
I JUST WANT SOME CREDIT CAUSE I ALWAYS SUCK AT ANON AND THE ONE TIME I DO SOMETHING RIGHT NO ONE APPRECIATES IT

you still sucked at anon lul

Kimmy S. wrote:Also for those interested in what happened in scumchat:

Emmy:
"What did I just do.

WHAT DID I JUST DO.

We should kill Halsey. He's got fruit left with which he can clear himself, so at the very least it's unlikely analyzing his kill will about to much (AND FRANKLY HE'S ABOUT TO WRECK US)"

Kimmy:
"Oh my fuck. We're screwed. On so many levels.

Kill Halsey


Clara is dead. Which makes me scum because I literally announced it. We need to somehow engineer a push on Infernando. It's our only hope, there's no way else. I hoped it wouldn't come down to this but we'll need to pull out all the stops. This is probably the worst of my envisioned circumstances that I was talking about but we at least still have an out in Infernando. Clara scumreading them and general scumminess is unfriendly to them. Halsey was the only one who believed in fruit cleans and hes dead.


So we have 4 possible ways to win. Our 4 outs is to bus you and kill Caro, leaving me in a 1v2 with Cherry, who I think I can persuade to TR me.

The second one is to bus me and kill Infernando, going 1v1 with Caro and letting Cherry kingmaker. (Killing Cherry is suicide because Caro and Infernando both SR you.)

The third one is to somehow, by one way or another, lynch Infernando today.

The fourth one is to bus me, and kill Caro and hope Cherry doesn't believe in the townleader scum theory enough to lynch you > Infernando (or maybe WIFOM saying you wouldnt make yourself a sitting duck in LyLo)


Out of all the possible ways, likely bussing me is the most likely to happen, followed by bussing you or winning the game.


So when Day starts, take a general look at the game. If you predict I'm about to be lynched, go all in on me. Don't hold back, go into some psychotic tunnel and convince people to hammer as early as possible. Maybe don't post for a while so you can had an excuse saying you didn't see previous posts and is acting on your own reads.

If for some miraculous reason they decide to not lynch me, like if they have some hesitance, wait for me to post. I'll try to derail the topic off "Is Kimmy Scum", hopefully by brushing Clara off for a while and then casing Infernando. If they're convinced, we try to lynch Infernando/bus you, if not psychotically tunnel me.

We bus you if 1. You're universally scumread 2. Caroline obv-towns themselves after Halsey's death, 3. Cherry expresses a TR on me and 4. Infernando still scumreads you

Now we can only hope for the best."

lmao
You never ended up doing the Emmy bus until it's too late. I think one of the things that screwed you is that you stuck to whatever plans or ideas you had in the previous night too much (e.g. lynching infernando, being certain that I was as close to a neutral party as possible) which tipped me off that something was wrong. That and the emmy interactions but w/e
by Cherry P.
on Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:19 pm
 
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and yeah i feel like infernando didnt actually contribute logic-wise to my lynch of kimmy, all the reasoning i had was thought of by either me or caroline lol
by Cherry P.
on Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:55 am
 
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nah the game 9 thread split at around the same time, as referenced by romeo on page 2 of the postgame thread
by Cherry P.
on Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:55 am
 
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Infernando G. wrote:u started the day saying ur gonna lynch me tho

no, i started saying i might lynch you because losing to a scum!infernando would make me incredibly sad

Halsey N. wrote:
False. Emmy was gonna get lynched anyways. It was a dead end tbh. Also Infernando, I outright cleaned you as town if you didn't read my post.

Yeah I suppose so. I guess we were eventually going to get the emmy/kimmy scumteam then.
My gut was garbage at the start of this game but im glad that my final two reads were correct...
by Cherry P.
on Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:43 pm
 
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Cherry P. - Search DWEyA

I clutched it! Very Happy
I came into this day pretty set on lynching Kimmy, but he managed to make it where I was seriously considering Infernando, so props to him.
I think that ironically enough Emmy ended up completely screwing the entire mafia team by saving Kimmy, which is kinda funny.
by Cherry P.
on Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:13 pm
 
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infernando if you're lying to me i will cut you
by Cherry P.
on Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:14 pm
 
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gotta go, hopefully i didnt fuck it up D:
by Cherry P.
on Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:56 pm
 
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A lot of things are running through my head right now. I really wish I could've gotten an extension, although i'm not really sure it would've changed my mind.

I feel like Kimmy has really checked off a lot of boxes that would imply that he's town, but i've noticed after re-reading that some of the things I thought made him look townie were being misinterpreted by me. I thought originally that he didnt just jump at the chance to lynch anima when the opportunity was present, but he had already lynched her so that point was nulled. That doesn't make his reaction to me any worse, though. I think his reaction to my "rl" was very townie, but it can be explained away by him being very careful. I think the nightkill also does incriminate him; with him not noticing how much I was "leaning" towards him being town, and his insistence that infernando killing caroline was a better option because it a) frames him and b) is more "equal" in terms of me having similar opinions on both (untrue) makes me think he never actually saw my last post and was just repeating what his logic for killing Caroline was.

Onto Infernando. I think that he's really stepped it up in response to LyLo, although its hard to say whether thats because he knows its do or die as scum or because he was extremely confident in who he believed scum was. I still don't like his reasoning, and he's not gone ahead and done much to make me confident that he's town. I think the more damning point against Infernando is how inconsistent he's been when it comes to making cases; pre-lylo, he'd just drop cases after people responded to them. He did a better job in LyLo itself, but I still don't think his arguments have been that great.

Now, the more major section of this: Emmy. I looked back to see emmy's connections to the two, and there is a decent amount. Infernando has been after Emmy since the start; he only began to explain himself in LyLo, which is a bit sketchy (pre-lylo it was just a "gut feeling"). Emmy has gradually shifted from a weak TR to a scumread on Infernando over the course of these 6 days. Emmy's constant switching of a main person to push + an alternate lynch have been town/town continuously. Infernando ended up being the alternate lynch at the end, and Emmy actually refused to scumread anyone after Infernando, which is a bit strange. I think its also strange for Infernando to incorrectly send fruit when being a team with Emmy, given how careful she tended to be. I think Emmy also had no reason to discredit some of the reasons I brought up that implied an Infernando!town. The question I have to have is, is someone who played as carefully as emmy willing to be excessive in bussing?

Emmy's connections to Kimmy are definitely a lot more prevalent. There is of course, the obvious last-minute switch to save Kimmy at the end of day 4. Kimmy argued that this was a frame as opposed to Emmy repeating her previous behavior, which is a bit interesting. Kimmy/Emmy have also had some pretty classic bussing behavior; Emmy continuously called out various things that Kimmy did but refused to read him as anything other than neutral. On the contrary, Kimmy continuously townread Emmy until the last day, where he suddenly flipped to a scumread. The behavior between the two is a classic scumteam distancing play. I think the part where he also went after Infernando continuously is a bit off, since it does add weight to the kimmy/emmy scumteam.

I guess that kimmy's posting has definitely been townier than infernando's, but the relations between kimmy and emmy are much stronger than those between emmy and infernando.

I'm running out of time...

I guess one way to look at it is that actions speak louder than words.

Lynch Kimmy
by Cherry P.
on Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:56 pm
 
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you said that kimmy has been lightly bussing emmy while from what i saw kimmy tr'd emmy until lylo, where he flipped to an sr
where was kimmy throwing shade at emmy before lylo, because i don't see it?
by Cherry P.
on Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:08 pm
 
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infernando you still havent quoted the posts, and what ive seen counters what you said
from what i saw kimmy tr'ed emmy until lylo
by Cherry P.
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ive been at this for two hours or so im gonna take a break and eat some food
by Cherry P.
on Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:33 pm
 
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cant quote so im just gonna manually c/p the stuff i want to talk about
infernando: Hi frenssssssss

just to give u some updates because my partner is trash and keeps coming online and not posting
so with the fruit strategy, can mafia not give fruit and kill instead and then claim to not have gotten a fruit to frame someone? or would that be a good thing cause we know one of the two are lying Surprised
And not sure what everyone else thinks but maybe since we have limited fruit it would be a good thing to do whatever strategy on later days to preserve deaths since in the beginning it takes a day or two to get proper reads. I just think it would be more beneficial to prevent deaths when there are fewer players and we have a better idea of who to lynch.


this is what i'm talking about, nobody ever tried to pull this off (the day before clara/halsey died, mafia couldve killed and forced a frame + mylo. likely didnt happen due to it being very risky, and that not being emmy's playstyle. lends weight to kimmy being scum too).

also worth mentioning that offing jeremiah means that kimmy passes to emmy. potentially trying to open up that option? scratch

ooh jeremiah's stated he thinks kimmy is scum and emmy starts pressuring jeremiah a ton. correlation or causation?

Emmy: As for Kimmy who recently posted a bunch of wallposts (please why so much reading...), most of all I see is criticizing Cherry's "dazzling" plan, and I honestly do not see anything else of value. Maybe I will reread all their wallposts if they would like me to, but my first impression makes it seem like all they are doing is critiquing a gamesolve and pushing for it.

I'd also like to point out I think Infernado is town, unless they purposefully tried to throw off town via. not killing + not fruiting. Seems like a weird concept, and I guess it is plausible, but for now slight TR just because I don't really think they would idle fruit as scum (just my thought). I would like them to talk more without a bunch of filler though because currently, I don't see anything.


ooh this is spicy
scumleaning kimmy and tring infernando? Surprised
regardless this means there was a light bus of her partner at some point, so i cant discount the possibility of infernando/emmy due to bussing anymore...

Emmy: Kimmy S. - Neutral, stated previously. Infernando G. - Neutral/Slight TR

wait what the fuck? this is only a little bit after the previous post lol

i'm also noticing that emmy seems to always be focusing on 1 player and then having a secondary player that she pressures as an alternative lynch. D1 was me/jeremiah (anima at the very end), d2 was shepherd/jeremiah, d3 was just jeremiah/infernando, d4 was infernando/clara, d5 was literally just infernando. Interesting to note.

Emmy: Added to the list of things I'm liking about Halsey is his post attempting to clear things up with Caroline. Not only would I expect Halsey as scum to take full advantage of this 1v1 and stay in it, but the fact that he's doing to partially to encourage others to give their insight is opening himself up to questioning in a way I don't think scum would take the risk of doing.
Oh? Emmy says that trying to force a 1v1 argument is scummy, and opening it up to others is townie? interesting...

emmy neutral reads kimmy on d4, despite him forcing a 1v1 argument... she's also been neutral reading him the entire game. I suppose at this point I have to question which long con emmy was playing: the lack of acknowledgement unless necessary wrt kimmy or the hard bussing wrt infernando?

Halsey: Well, I thing I got my scumteam. I'll talk about it tomorrow. Will also talk about the other plan stuff tomorrow Caroline. I just wanted to relax today because Saturday.
motherfucker why didnt you ever elaborate on this >_<

emmy randomly being put into the scum group after being townread the entire game by kimmy is sketchy

Kimmy: Or maybe it's Infernando/Caroline since Infernando is hardcore tunnelling on the rest of us but I'm more willing to stick to the Infernando/Emmy since it makes more sense when you look at them individually and scum interactions are easily set up.

please elaborate on this, I don't really see any possible interactions aside from the potential bus

Emmy: (neither does Cherry's comment on how Infernando pointed something out about mafia killing the person they were fruiting. If everyone got fruit but someone still died, it would instantly become clear that the person before them was the killer. Additionally, the fact that Infernando pointed it out doesn't really mean anything as far as alignment goes.)

emmy already brings up the "too scummy to be scum" point sucking, but i dont see why emmy needs to say this about her partner. There are a ton of things she could talk about without discrediting stuff like this. Given emmy's safe playstyle, I doubt she'd go above and beyond to try and hide connections like this as well.

at the end, kimmy does say "tentative lynch emmy" but has gone in on infernando the entire day. I don't get why he'd do that when the support was obviously not there, plus i don't see why he'd townread 2/3 of the town left itg. Effectively, i suppose his reasoning is that he's going for the all-or-nothing on lynching infernando in LyLo and just hoping that it works out, given that other cherry did express a feeling of infernando being scum at one point.
by Cherry P.
on Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:32 pm
 
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oof i just realized kimmy was already lynching anima when he had what I thought was a townie response to her so rip that point
by Cherry P.
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i'll check to see if thats true during my re-read
by Cherry P.
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it was riiight at the end, definitely last minute or so
by Cherry P.
on Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:28 pm
 
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