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that was a good game everyone, really enjoyed playing through that. could have been quicker mind if we followed my stuff earlier

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bah

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Rhyanna F. wrote:

Carl G. wrote:its in a day rhyanna, says thursday on the lynch count. i've made shitty plays tbh. im sorry i never brought the clearing up of pj lynch up rhyanna, i personally had a feeling due to the ian death that PJ was therefore likely scum. I didn't really make that clear as of the time of the lynch, and my sincerest apologies for not really getting that out there. with the horatio/pj thing, i personally lynched pj like you said as i felt the horatio lynch wasn't moving. i had established a pretty clear read on both horatio and PJ at that point, and i don't get why people think that's somewhat suspicious of me to choose to lynch him because of it. I simply just moved over because I felt he was a better lynch for d3.

my scumreads right now are kylan + rodman, kylan over rodman however. i sorta brought up why kylan was acting off in my above rant, i just personally feel that he hasnt been able to be held accountable for much of the game and therefore hasn't really shown much because of the lack of presence. his only posts really are only minimal as of late (quoting then pointing something out from my blocks of text), and it honestly feels from my perspective as a townie an aimed targetting of me to simply just get an easy lynch (however i really don't understand why scum wouldnt keep me til next lynch if they want an easy townie to pick off [unless they want to lead a lynch on me and look 'townie' for leading analysis and killing a townie]). rodman my view hasnt changed a bit from my previous posts. honestly, if you guys think a me lynch is best, go for it. im defos making the game a lot more complicated with my shitty posts. however, i'd totally advise a kylan lynch at this stage from me.
lynch kylan r.

oh
still, would like more people to post

don't feel sorry for yourself that just makes you look bad
didn't you say you thought horatio was scummier but moved onto the pj wagon bc you felt the horatio wagon wasn't going anywhere? that's not what you seem to be saying now

i think you do bring up a good point on kylan and would like to hear about him wrt other people that aren't you.

im not feeling sorry for myself, i think my points of view are correct right now, but im clearly viewed as scummy by the majority of the game, that's just a fact. if you guys change your opinion on me fairdos, but its not the end of the world to lynch me considering im sure lynching me would totally clear things up for you guys.

i did say horatio was scummier yes. i did move onto the pj wagon because of the lack of movement on it yeah, and personally thats sort of what im saying about it right now. i just really didnt elaborate my thoughts about everything with jacuzzi to be honest (the post ian scumlean like i said).

still in favour of a kylan over a rodman this second, but ill pop on later and respond to some stuff/make my mind up.

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its in a day rhyanna, says thursday on the lynch count. i've made shitty plays tbh. im sorry i never brought the clearing up of pj lynch up rhyanna, i personally had a feeling due to the ian death that PJ was therefore likely scum. I didn't really make that clear as of the time of the lynch, and my sincerest apologies for not really getting that out there. with the horatio/pj thing, i personally lynched pj like you said as i felt the horatio lynch wasn't moving. i had established a pretty clear read on both horatio and PJ at that point, and i don't get why people think that's somewhat suspicious of me to choose to lynch him because of it. I simply just moved over because I felt he was a better lynch for d3.

my scumreads right now are kylan + rodman, kylan over rodman however. i sorta brought up why kylan was acting off in my above rant, i just personally feel that he hasnt been able to be held accountable for much of the game and therefore hasn't really shown much because of the lack of presence. his only posts really are only minimal as of late (quoting then pointing something out from my blocks of text), and it honestly feels from my perspective as a townie an aimed targetting of me to simply just get an easy lynch (however i really don't understand why scum wouldnt keep me til next lynch if they want an easy townie to pick off [unless they want to lead a lynch on me and look 'townie' for leading analysis and killing a townie]). rodman my view hasnt changed a bit from my previous posts. honestly, if you guys think a me lynch is best, go for it. im defos making the game a lot more complicated with my shitty posts. however, i'd totally advise a kylan lynch at this stage from me.
lynch kylan r.

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right im so sorry for suddenly dying during this game. had a lot of stuff happening tbh and just haven't had the time for anon lately. lovely to have a new kylan who's active but can't seem to do anything but tunnel me. i'd love to hear you opinions on everyone, but i doubt that's gonna happen in the next day.

i guess this will be my response post to plead guilty to all your points you that make me scum according to everyone. i can assure you however, that i (most likely) will be active from now on considering that im not so busy anymore. should hopefully be able to make some progress.

first of all to respond to Penelope's stuff from pg12:

Penelope C. wrote:
I would ask about Kylan’s read on Carl (and on other players in general), but Manning seems to have done so already. I do still want to ask Kylan what his thoughts are on the game and how it’s progressed (ex. anything we should be paying more or less attention to in your opinion). This might tie in with Manning asking about Kylan’s reads on other people, but if not I hope I’m not being overwhelming by adding this.

Kylan R. wrote:

Carl G. wrote:Not really sure why we're spreading lynches just for the sake of it. No clue why exactly this has any use when we all know this is just usual day 1 meta. Anyway, how about you all explain your lynches when you carry them out for a change? It's always nice for that to happen.

This. He acknowledges that RVS is "just usual day 1 meta." yet complains about it and asks for reasoning when the game literally just started. Now usually this is NAI but in regards to the D1 scumflip it makes him look a lot worse imo.

“This is actually a good-“ okay, Rhyanna, snipe your revenge here. I would like to hear Carl’s response to this though. Frankly, I’d like to hear Carl’s response to a lot of what’s happened since he last posted, considering that a fair amount of it relates to him in one way or another. (This is the kind of thing I'm referring to when I say "anything we should be paying more or less attention to" by the way, at the time of this being posted I assumed that it was just someone who didn't like RVS making a post about it.)
i think you're all reading into this post way too much. i literally just prefer to see posts with some form of substance and analysis versus some of the crappy lynches from after we started. i mean you can't get much more substance, fair enough, but it's nice to actually ask some questions to some people, versus just a straight random lynch. also i wanted to do some obligatory complaining about the lack of lynches. really i do just hate RVS tbh.

The Rodman wrote:

I'll pop on tonight for a bit to maybe look at some past posts from people and see if my mind changes at all, but expect a Anita lynch from me.(Carl G.)

that was end of day 1. So on one hand I see it as a last minute attempt to detach from your partner while on the other hand I see someone who made it look like they thought Anita was scum without actually lynching them. The latter reasoning is one I have seen come true many times on PS. But I will proceed to abstain so i can hear from anyone

I mentioned this during day 2 and Carl’s response was that he simply wasn’t able to get on again before the deadline, followed by the apparently unintentional Penelope iso. it was sort of, i just went and looked back at your stuff cause you responded to me. can't blame me for starting some form of discussion, and helping people form new opinions. It’s on page 7, specifically. Rhyanna makes a good point with mafia not losing points for lynching a partner. I can think of many times on PS like you mentioned, but they tend to be more of a case of "cut off by the deadline" from what I've seen. I pursued it on day 2 here in part because Carl went as far as to say that he was going to lynch Anita.
yeah i did say like 2-3 times why i didnt get the chance to lynch Anita. here's a slightly more detailed version that won't mean anything cause you guys ignore the stuff in my posts that would give you this information. i was out at a gig, got back at 1, did not think to go on psanon to lynch. apologies yet again for not thinking.

Rhyanna F. wrote:also kylan just got subbed yet was apparently inactive during the night phase, meaning that he couldnt have sent in the kill unless he was subbed in during the night and aj only told us that he was subbed now to prevent suspicion
i could be looking into it way too much but its something to consider

This is also a good point. I’m going to try to avoid entering host meta territory though. If I'm correct though the second Kylan didn't come online until around the same time AJ subbed him in, so I'm guessing that was when he got access to the account unless he was specifically told to wait until the night was finished (which would still indicate him as not being scum unless he watched as a guest). could quite easily send kill via skype and ps. i wouldn't count him out, but its a good point.

@penelope day 5: i was fine with ian lynch basically because: 1. you being lynched clearly wasnt happening at that point, even with me pushing it a bit. 2. clarification as you said was needed. personally i was in the mind of a slight possibility of an ian flip, although doubtful. however it more helped shape my jacuzzi reads (however those were clearly wrong lol) more than anything, retrospectively it didn't give me as much info as hoped.

right here's kylan's bs:

Kylan R. wrote:

Carl G. wrote:@Penelope:
if its any consolation, i just simply could not get on at deadline like i thought and didnt lynch in time. still dont quite understand how the me not lynching her even though i had a pretty good explanation of my stance on Anita makes me a weak scum lean though. could you elaborate on that please?

also it's not like your argument is very valid in the first place considering the bullshit you can see in your past posts. lemme break down my thoughts for everyone.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>tries to discredit Penelope's read on him based on Penelope's past posts.

what the fuck is this bullshit

im sorry i actually tried to respond to her post. as i said in that very post, it wasn't intentional, neither did i mean to do an iso really, i just looked back at her posts and saw things i didnt agree with. would you suggest i sat there and not do shit?

Kylan R. wrote:

Carl G. wrote:

Penelope C. wrote:
In response to the last paragraph, yes, I couldn’t realistically see the scum fillering without quickly amending it in order to avoid being lynched before they could make a nightkill. And no, Anita making a defense and posting some reads (and waiting until page 4 to do so) is not a quick amend. I was very much still scumreading Anita, however I didn't want to put her at L-1 again for the same reason as above, in addition to wanting to see her defense and Manning's response to it.

i honestly felt like she did do some contribution. it was definitely filler, but at first glance, it was sorta what people would have wanted to see, when in reality it was just nonsense. i mean yeah, you'd expect scum to aim to 'contribute' to avoid early pressure and avoid being at worse odds than before, but its not like they wouldnt do things like anita. in response to this: "I was very much still scumreading Anita", then why the fuck did you not lynch her when Manning then went and stuck her at L-1 on the final day? you got his response like what you wanted, and she had gave some sort of a response throughout. what stopped you from choosing to lynch her and considering you were still scumreading her and had such a detailed and heavy read on her up to that point.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>reasoning against Penelope C. is that they never lynched Anita D1

honestly idk how he hasn't been lynched yet

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cannot read a post to understand what i said

it wasn't my reasoning, it was just pointing out how hypocritical she was being. read the substance of the post and actually look back at my full posts to get a picture of my actual opinion of penelope maybe? you'd probably get a better idea of what exactly my reasoning against penelope was (was, yes, if you also read my later posts you'd understand that i was leaning more towards a neutral/town lean).

Kylan R. wrote:At this point with so many town and only 1 scum Rhyanna F. & Penelope C. are locktown to me until suggested otherwise by lynching simultaneous town. Both impress with how dedicated they've been and the way they both pursue reads while looking at the game as a whole suggests good town.

Carl G. hasn't actually done much this game. He posts infrequently and a lot of the time they're huge. You can sift through these and pick out a point or two but the rest is generally bullshit. He reacts hard to any pressure and needs a chill pill at times imo. The only people under pressure in this game would be the one scum left with so many town.

lemme rewrite this post in the point of view of me: "Kylan R. hasn't actually done much this game. He's only started posting since yesterday, and a lot of the time they are just him quoting posts by me. You can sift through these and pick out a point or two but the rest is generally ridiculous. He can't do anything but tunnel and apparently can't share any other points of view other than about me." please do yourself a favour and assist town rather than just echoing some ideas. this post is so bloody pointless i don't even get why you have it here. I don't understand why people even has you that high up on a townread list, it makes no sense when all you've done is just appear and react to my posts (often taken out of context). i'd love to see you pursue reads on everyone whilst also focusing on the game tbh, tunnelling is unhealthy and isn't gonna help us in the end.
also about the chill pill, sorry i play aggressively/also playing slightly differently for the whole theme of the setup. not my fault you're all unable to take the fact im responding pretty angrily.

this post is probably a total mess, but i think that it should cover mostly everything. . also, in relation to me apparently being top scumread, i'd happily be lynched if that clears things up for town. as is, i don't think that its a good idea to necessarily jump onto a lynch, but maybe after i look at stuff more. i'd like to see some proper reads, i'll probably get on that as it's long overdue to actually look back at some people, and i don't think that we should necessarily be jumping to conclusions on stuff. if you want my pov explained more, please go ahead and ask me, will be checking up to make sure i get stuff out.
tl;dr - im sorry for not being here, kylan is tunnelling and should share more stuff, etc.

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sorry i didnt manage to get stuff up yesterday, super busy with school stuff atm. anyway lemme drop some responses right now:

Penelope C. wrote:Okay, I’m going to start with trying to analyze the kill and Jacuzzi’s flip, then respond to some of what happened yesterday after I left.

I’m assuming Sanpei was killed for one of 3 reasons:

-Perceived as town by most people (if this is the case then there must be a reason Rhyanna wasn’t killed).

-Sanpei talking about rebasing his reads list if Jacuzzi was town (and scum thus being worried about being closer to the bottom).
think this is the most likely reasoning too. i mean its not like it would have given much comparing to the last list, but scum would have definitely been threatened by the idea of a changing readslist. i can't really imagine i'd be able to analyse this further, but thought i should have dropped my thoughts on it too.

-Cutting short the discussion about The Rodman (which would indicate a likely frame, although this game has had plenty of wifom already).

I personally think the second is these is most likely, so I want to try to figure out what the rebased list would be. Sanpei also never got to elaborate on Horatio moving up on their scum list, which could be another frame attempt or, if Horatio is scum, banking on us overlooking this point in favor of the above 3. This is in italics because I am very strongly considering it and still scumread Horatio, despite the lynch seen later in this post.

Some of my own reads have shifted regarding the flip, especially on Kylan R., who was last online on the 15th, which means he hasn’t seen my asking him to speak (on the 18th) unless he’s been using an incognito mode.  Regardless, Kylan was the one to prompt Anita’s “scumteam with Jacuzzi” comment, then went inactive but came back to say during day 2 that “PJ should receive the lynch because the opening statement from scum was a selfclaim with him. (Slightly paraphrased.) Albeit, Kylan went on to make a wallpost in which he shifted from a scumread to a townread on Jacuzzi. For the time being I’m going to Lynch Kylan R. This will likely change to Horatio, who remains my main scumread, by the end of the day, unless he does something extremely townish or Kylan does something especially scummy (or doesn’t return at all).

My other changed read is on Carl G., although it hasn’t changed that much. (In the order I listed yesterday, he and Rodman make up a “neutral” section.) What I’m gathering from your most recent post is that you switched to Jacuzzi because he was about to get lynched anyway and you thought it would help your reads. Manning seemed to have the same thoughts and didn’t switch, which makes Carl’s vote look like a possible, “Oh, let me get on the Jacuzzi wagon so I can get some points for this mislynch."
i really dont get this. i had fairly valid reasoning, and y'all seem to think im neutral-scum now because i made a shitty lynch that made it L-1. you lot are proper fannies if you think the points logic is valid considering scum would never just join the bandwagon for points and make themselves more subject to scrutiny, especially since i did it like 4 hours before deadline. i mean i hope you don't and its just penelope, cause thats fucking idiotic.

@Rhyanna: I agree that Anita continually asking for Rodman makes him look like town, but I wouldn’t consider him a strong town presence considering the lurking. I don’t know if I’d call her efforts “legitimate” yet, since she never actually switched to a vote for Rodman and seemed to give up on him pretty quickly (deeming him a "neutral read” because she wanted his reasoning).
she was totally aiming for a strong towny presence at the start of the day however, and pretty much asked 50% of the game to contribute more tho. not that im saying that reasoning isnt valid, but its still major wifom, and just because anita said their name in that context doesnt mean that they're more towny as a result of it, despite what others may think.

General: Sanpei was probably one of the most active users in the thread, so I just want to remind/encourage everyone to keep the activity up and make sure we have more pages than game 28 and once ask those who haven’t been as active to join us. I promise we (occasionally) don’t bite.

Manning P. wrote:sanpeis death makes a lot of sense for the reasons penelope has pointed out. my assumption is that a widely townread player who is about to give fresh perspectives on the game is far more dangerous to scum than a simple locktown.
it also suggests to me that scum isnt on our current scumlist (which is iirc rodman/horatio basically).
im also gonna hate whoever is scum because that death means our activity is gonna be as shitty as 28's at this rate
so thoughts
most likely yes to all of those suggestions. im still in favour of a horatio lynch today imo but im still not counting out everyone else yet, as it should be.

Horatio A.(0)- hasnt done anything to stop being a scumread. stop lurking.
basically my read
Penelope C.(0)- continuously proving to be a good locktown
less so here but still more of a town slant today.
The Rodman(0)- townread him before the kill which is likely a frame on him so if anything hes even more town now tbh and if he turns up scum im flipping tables. but seriously stop fucking lurking

Kylan R.(0)- one of the people i could potentially see threatened by reads being flipped upside down since he made very few posts and those are regarded as townie. did i mention stop lurking?
possible here yeah, im pretty neutral on kylan but still need to consider shit imo.
Rhyanna F.(0)- also still locktown
same here
Carl G.(0)- you are another person who would easily kill sanpei because you want to avoid feeling the fire burn up your ass as he suddenly shifts to scumread you after jacuzzi flips. moved up on my scumlist tbh
"want to avoid feeling the fire burn up your ass" aye and i clearly have been incompetent in this whole game in responding clearly to people. if he flipped scum on me fair enough, its not a huge thing and i doubt he would if he was still alive, i don't see how my PJ lynch would have indicated anything, considering 4/9 of us were on it, and i actually explained why i was gonna do it.
Manning P.(0)- yes im definitely scum thanks for asking

honestly if you're all up my arse so much bout me being scum, please go ahead and display your huge analysis of me and explain why im so clearly and utterly scum versus other people in this game who have quite clearly been ignored at some stages. anyway i'll pop on later (for real this time) and actually do some proper analysis versus the crappy response i've left for now.

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shame to lose sanpei today, guess i'll just have to
lynch horatio a.

in response to me saying about lynching horatio and then lynching pj, i just personally felt like i should lynch him. i still had a neutral to scum read on him in some cases, and a horatio lynch was going nowhere in the last 5-10 hours considering PJ was at L-2 before my lynch. just personally felt like i may as well considering it would help me make my mind up more in terms of my reads. i'll drop some more stuff later tonight with a bit more analysis about the past day i guess.

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Sanpei 'gives our lots of nicknames' S. wrote:

I feel as if most of your activity was in the 2-3 days during Day 2 where I was away, and that post was done without any sort of looking through the posts. It wasn't a way to say that you didn't have any activity, it was more me saying that I personally couldn't recall off the top of my head anything significantly scummy or townie that you had said. My apologies if it came off the wrong way.

fairdos, just wasn't sure if you had done an analysis at all or something.

Snazzy Carl G. wrote:The Rodman - new sub is quiet too, i think rodman's account is cursed and is never gonna have activity sadly :/ post more if you're here, considering you did log on on tuesday and did not post a thing.

Kind of tempted to unlynch PJ and lynch Rodman, as inactives will just weigh us down as we approach mylo/lylo. Especially given that he's logged in and hasn't posted.

i don't really agree with this, policy the day before mafia has a bit of power is ridiculous, should be taking our chances and doing some proper analysis/lynching every moment we can. maybe if we feel its valid d4 or something, but im definitely not feeling that rn.

Fat Carl G. wrote:Penelope C. - i have no fucking clue how to view penelope right now. i certainly don't view her as a town lead right now like sanpei, but she's not definite scum or anything to me right now. things i mentioned before in my big wallpost are still bothering me (refer back, im not bothering to bring it into here when it's easily found and far too much for a reads list), however im still in the mind of her analysis and arguments so far have been pretty great for discussion, and she's definitely contributing in some way towards the town goal, bringing up new things. neutral at the moment, most likely gonna swing today depending on how stuff goes.

How do you not see Penelope as a town lead, but mention me as one in the same post? If anything, Penelope was more of a leader yesterday than I was...I agree with the actual read on her, and most of everything else you said, and that she's neutral but swingy (leaning town rn for me, but still swingy), I'm just not a fan of the way you started with backing it up.

i think i didnt really see her as a town lead yesterday due to my huge tunnel sesh on her. i totally have a skewed viewpoint on penelope as is, considering the rest of you have her pretty high on your reads lists. i

ajhockeyCarl G. wrote:Rhyanna F. - i don't have much to say about Rhyanna. i mean she's definitely got a pretty large amount of commentary about the game, but i generally don't like her posting style, however i get that she's still conveying information, sharing responses frequently and generally being good at provoking questions/discussion. lack of filler too which is surprising considering the post count lol. towny to me, doubt it's gonna shift unless something major happens.

What about her posting style do you dislike? And is it just a personal preference or is it bad enough to make you townread her less? (Just looking for clarification on thatm otherwise I agree with you)

i just hate short posts and like bitching about it. otherwise she's perfectly fine and im just a whiner for no reason.

right responses that i wanted to get done there, anyway im honestly unsure about my lynch. considering deadline is soon, im personally feeling like im gonna go with the consensus and lynch PJ. I feel as if my current read on him and the evidence against him are all pretty strong, and i feel as if it would be good to clear somethings up, as well as totally aid us in d4.

lynch prof jacuzzi

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alright here's my reads list:

Manning P. - i really really appreciated the manning activity during day 2 cause it helped me in terms of gaining an opinion on him. personally, i feel his analysis has been really on point. feel he tunnelled a little bit too hard on the ian lynch, but it was fairly valid and honestly not minding that considering he explained fairly well his pov, and that he didn't feel swayed elsewhere. right now, i'd say im leaning town after day 2. much clearer compared to day 1 and a big improvement.

The Rodman - new sub is quiet too, i think rodman's account is cursed and is never gonna have activity sadly :/ post more if you're here, considering you did log on on tuesday and did not post a thing.

Penelope C. - i have no fucking clue how to view penelope right now. i certainly don't view her as a town lead right now like sanpei, but she's not definite scum or anything to me right now. things i mentioned before in my big wallpost are still bothering me (refer back, im not bothering to bring it into here when it's easily found and far too much for a reads list), however im still in the mind of her analysis and arguments so far have been pretty great for discussion, and she's definitely contributing in some way towards the town goal, bringing up new things. neutral at the moment, most likely gonna swing today depending on how stuff goes.

Professor Jacuzzi - I'm probably in agreement with others at this stage on Jacuzzi. Most likely a slight scum lean right now, however I'm unsure considering day 1 and his point of view on Anita. From my POV, it would seem a bit early to go for a lynch on Anita, if he was joining the bandwagon to avoid suspicion (he did give good evidence and stuff so it wouldn't just seem like 'im joining cause everyone else is'), however, i don't get his bitching about L-1 when people can generally count and pay attention to their lynches, especially considering the person they were lynching and everyone's point of views on Anita at that stage. Personally though I don't feel like he's contributed hugely to town. His lynch on scum happened, yes, but literally not much else. He pointed out some things in reply to Kylan in regards about Horatio (which fair enough, I'm probably quite for a Horatio lynch today), but I don't know whether to put this as a lack of proactivity around stuff, or just him sliding through the game. Unsure on my view, slight scum lean to neutral i guess.

Rhyanna F. - i don't have much to say about Rhyanna. i mean she's definitely got a pretty large amount of commentary about the game, but i generally don't like her posting style, however i get that she's still conveying information, sharing responses frequently and generally being good at provoking questions/discussion. lack of filler too which is surprising considering the post count lol. towny to me, doubt it's gonna shift unless something major happens.

Kylan R. - the stuff kylan had was ok, but it's limited. i can't really pull apart much of it, however much i want to. i feel his analysis that he had has been good, pretty towny and all, but the lack of content isn't helping me in terms of getting a read. i would say off the stuff i have that im leaning town, but only slightly.

Sanpei S. - Pretty unchanged on sanpei. his stuff is fairly good, but im not liking a few of his point of views, and lack of detail to his reads as mentioned earlier. don't think he's scum right now however, but definitely in my sights in terms of a person i'd have in mind at some point. not sure what else I can bring forth that isn't said already, will probably have a look further later on. neutral to slight scum.

Horatio A. - my most likely lynch today. lack of content right now, and his sparse posting from time to time isn't helping (although he did mention he'll fix it 2 days ago [then never rectified that further]). personally i feel the lynch would be fairly valuable versus some others today, but that's just me.

any questions, ask away

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Sanpei S. wrote:
Carl G.(0)- Again, who?

^^^ someone apparently can't be arsed to read any of my content considering i have the same or more than some of the people you gave reads of. please go ahead and read my stuff and stop bullshitting.

apologies for not getting out my reads yesterday, was super busy and didnt end up getting on. just in the middle of making them up still, so i'd expect them out in a 2 or so hours probs when i get the chance to finish them all.

Sanpei S. wrote:
I'd like to see everyone post a similar sort of wall, honestly

i did say this earlier at the start of the day about everyone getting out reads, but please put more detail than sanpei if possible. people have plenty of stuff that we can analyse and share opinions on at this stage. a sentence that's vague and useless isn't gonna help us one bit (also please give reads on everyone, skipping out on people is just lazy and idiotic considering a few of the people on Sanpei's list had posts (aka me)).

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I don't have a huge amount of time to write up any large essays right now, but bit of a shame with the lack of anything from that. i wasn't expecting a flip tbh, but anyway. my thoughts are still pretty much the same currently. i think ill type up a reads post later since i meant to do that during day 2 and didn't. would encourage the same from everyone as today is pretty important considering its our last day before scum has a kill. its always lovely hearing other people's points of view and will definitely help us today, considering we have a few people who haven't shared masses of information yet.

@penelope: i doubt scum are feeling that desperate unless they're being really pressured or something. they're about to get a fair bit of control, and them trying their hardest to look towny is gonna make sure that they get it. not saying your reasoning isnt valid or anything, just trying to point out the facts at this stage. unless you're meaning earlier on and im just misreading your post completely in which case this whole paragraph is redundant.

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Right now, I'm personally comfortable with an Ian lynch right now. I view him as a bit more scummy right now versus Sanpei, and I think lynching Ian would definitely clear some stuff up for me. Also means I can look at Sanpei a bit further tomorrow. Currently planning on sticking with my lynch though, not really bothered about bandwagoning at the moment.

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Kylan R. wrote:

Carl G. wrote:

Penelope C. wrote:Incoming reads post. The first two are based on my scumreading Anita, so obviously if she turns out to not be scum their relevance drops to zero

I have a slight townread on Professor Jacuzzi at the moment, in part because I scumread Anita B. and seriously doubt that scum would name their partner like that (if this is the case, it's some pretty heavy WIFOM). According to Rhyanna F. their interactions have seemed "off," so I wouldn't mind examples of this.

One thing I thought I'd never say is that I have a strong neutral read on someone, but that's how I'd describe my feelings towards Manning P.-not only because he's done very little but because I'm not sure if he genuinely plans on weighing Anita's defense or if he's postponing a lynch on a potential scumbuddy. (This is assuming that Anita is scum, and I currently read her as such for reasons I mentioned above.)

I have a townread on Sanpei S. right now because of the reasoning behind things like "Scum would try to defend themselves either way," which I had been interpreting as filler until Sanpei explained it. Albeit, Anita has since gone on to defend themselves. Well, it's actually just a posting of reads, but at least it's an effort at contributing. I also want to hear the defense Manning P. is waiting for, but I don't know if it's actually coming since Anita only said she would be posting more reads.

I've seen The Rodman online a couple of times since his last post, so what's with not posting anything? Just because people called someone out on calling you out, it doesn't grant you a free pass to watch from the sidelines and hope nobody notices.

I'd also like for Kylan R. to appear and contribute, but I don't know if he's actually been online or not.

Because I don't want to come online later to find that someone has quickhammered with BS reasoning (didn't realize my vote was putting Anita at L-1) and also because a part of me does want to see if Anita offers any valid defense, I'm going to unlynch Anita B. for now.

we now have this beauty of a post, where penelope goes ahead and gives us some reads. not necessarily important, but more just the last paragraph. i just dont understand why someone who gave such a detailed reason and post to go ahead and lynch anita would even retract at l-1. scum simply wouldn't 'quickhammer' as penelope puts it on day 1, it would just make them look scummy, and its just idiotic that she would even consider it. i honestly dont like this reasoning at all, and its just weird the way she puts it. seems like a shitty pass at just retracting cause l-1 (and possible scum wanting to just get off their partner, but probably less so). i dont even think that anyone was gonna lynch her until the last day. we still had like a bit over a day left until the deadline and it just seems ridiculous to consider that someone would hammer and stop all the possible day 1 discussion from happening.

This is something I just flat disagree with. Pulling back from L-1 makes it so that it takes convincing another two folks' votes to end day, and is the safe play to ensure discussion continues for the maximum amount of time. Not only scum can lynch at L-1, town can too, because they're just that confident in the lynch, and don't think discussion will help any more. While that sort of town reasoning is wrong and a bad play, I wouldn't assume that town is smart and will always play right? This is the bulk of what I wanted to say, but I'm gonna give reactions to the rest of your post as well, and this may become an iso. We'll see.

i mean yeah, it's definitely more dangerous having it at l-1, but in what way would people ever consider doing a lynch at that stage? there was still a bulky amount of discussion happening, and plus no one was planning on lynching im sure, considering we had a lot of discussion with people just generally talking about things rather than saying 'im 100% lynching anita' (well apart from me, but apparently people can't forgive me for scumreading heavily on her and not lynching in time). yeah i wouldn't assume either, people do slip up occasionally and just don't make the best plays, understandable, but the whole post just seems like a shitty way to explain why exactly penelope wanted to retract from her, like i said.

onto my penelope responses: (cut out a few of the earlier posts from me and penelope to cut the wall post down, and to save your scroll wheels/fingers)

Penelope C. wrote:

Carl G. wrote:@Penelope:
if its any consolation, i just simply could not get on at deadline like i thought and didnt lynch in time. still dont quite understand how the me not lynching her even though i had a pretty good explanation of my stance on Anita makes me a weak scum lean though. could you elaborate on that please?

The reasoning that for you gave for your stance on Anita essentially repeated things other people had said (namely her filler and use of wifom). I can understand not being able to get on in time to vote, but I’m not just going to rule out the possibility of someone saying “Oh, I’ll be on later,” then not voting and saying afterwards, “Oh, I couldn’t get on in time but I totally would have voted for her if I was here.”

well explain what else was i to bring to the table without giving you all bullshit?  i certainly gave a pretty clear view in my reads list on her filler, mentioned about how she just didnt explain things like she should have been, and i really only mentioned the wifom after my reads when you brought it up. however, as you might be able to see from your post about it here and my response to it:

Carl G. wrote:

Penelope C. wrote:

Anita B. wrote:
Ok let's get real in here and flesh this all out.

I mean if I'm going to be honest here, my defence is this: As mafia, why would I make myself so obvious? I've already stated that I knew what I was doing was filler, and that I haven't had much of a townish presence. This is a semi-nightless setup, so as mafia my job is to make sure I be as townie as goddamn possible and to keep me and my partner(s) alive. So why the hell would I post so much, but do so little? I would rather do actual read posts and scumhunt super hard. From my perspective, my actions make no sense when you look at me as mafia.

The fact that this is a semi-nightless setup shouldn't change the mafia's goal of appearing townie not dying. There's also a ton WIFOM possible in "Why would I make myself so obvious?"

This. Appearing to be an active part of town is beneficial as a Mafia member, even more beneficial in this setup considering they'd want to avoid being lynched until they can kill so that they have good odds in terms of winning. I'm not outright saying you're 100% scum Anita, but simply looking at a lot of your contributions you've just been either rattling off a general statement, not really highlighting something that's very important to us as a town, or just fillering.

you quite literally just mention the wifom. i explained that i agreed that the wifom was there, what the heck it meant in regards to the possible plays, and what it meant in regards to my reads. i don't see how thats 'essentially repeating' everything everyone else said considering i've brought plenty of things to the table that (i hope) have been useful to people, and i think you'd have to be ignoring 90% of what i've said to be thinking that.

Penelope C. wrote:
I considered the possibility of someone quickhammering Anita because had she been town, it would be very easy to bandwagon on lynching her, especially if the person doing to used an excuse like “I haven’t been here pretty much all game, but reading through the game I agree with all of these points against Anita.” Also, as you said yourself, we had just over a day’s worth of discussion left that a hammer from anyone, regardless of activity or alignment, would have deprived us of. And if I was scum, unlynching Anita didn’t accomplish much seeing as I made no effort to push onto anyone else (though to be fair one could argue that my comment on Kylan and The Rodman was this) and Anita was lynched anyway.

fairdos, did not think about the whole heavy reads so it would probably have been brushed off, but i don't think that it still was a great reason for that retraction still. yeah we had over a day left, but im not even gonna bother arguing this since im not convincing anyone when i say about my pov on it like i said in the section penelope responded to. it obviously would not have accomplished much, considering the pressure on her and the unlikeliness of anything changing.

Penelope C. wrote:
In response to the last paragraph, yes, I couldn’t realistically see the scum fillering without quickly amending it in order to avoid being lynched before they could make a nightkill. And no, Anita making a defense and posting some reads (and waiting until page 4 to do so) is not a quick amend. I was very much still scumreading Anita, however I didn't want to put her at L-1 again for the same reason as above, in addition to wanting to see her defense and Manning's response to it.

i honestly felt like she did do some contribution. it was definitely filler, but at first glance, it was sorta what people would have wanted to see, when in reality it was just nonsense. i mean yeah, you'd expect scum to aim to 'contribute' to avoid early pressure and avoid being at worse odds than before, but its not like they wouldnt do things like anita. in response to this: "I was very much still scumreading Anita", then why the fuck did you not lynch her when Manning then went and stuck her at L-1 on the final day? you got his response like what you wanted, and she had gave some sort of a response throughout. what stopped you from choosing to lynch her and considering you were still scumreading her and had such a detailed and heavy read on her up to that point.

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@Penelope:
if its any consolation, i just simply could not get on at deadline like i thought and didnt lynch in time. still dont quite understand how the me not lynching her even though i had a pretty good explanation of my stance on Anita makes me a weak scum lean though. could you elaborate on that please?

also it's not like your argument is very valid in the first place considering the bullshit you can see in your past posts. lemme break down my thoughts for everyone.

Penelope C. wrote:.....(blah blah blah wall post blah blah blah)
It's taken longer to type this post than I anticipated, so I can't stay online for too long at the moment. But for the time being, I'm going to lynch Anita B.
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right so first of all penelope goes ahead and lynches anita. gives a pretty bulky reasoning behind it, doesnt seem that suspicious. this puts anita at L-1, which is sort of important.

Penelope C. wrote:Incoming reads post. The first two are based on my scumreading Anita, so obviously if she turns out to not be scum their relevance drops to zero

I have a slight townread on Professor Jacuzzi at the moment, in part because I scumread Anita B. and seriously doubt that scum would name their partner like that (if this is the case, it's some pretty heavy WIFOM). According to Rhyanna F. their interactions have seemed "off," so I wouldn't mind examples of this.

One thing I thought I'd never say is that I have a strong neutral read on someone, but that's how I'd describe my feelings towards Manning P.-not only because he's done very little but because I'm not sure if he genuinely plans on weighing Anita's defense or if he's postponing a lynch on a potential scumbuddy. (This is assuming that Anita is scum, and I currently read her as such for reasons I mentioned above.)

I have a townread on Sanpei S. right now because of the reasoning behind things like "Scum would try to defend themselves either way," which I had been interpreting as filler until Sanpei explained it. Albeit, Anita has since gone on to defend themselves. Well, it's actually just a posting of reads, but at least it's an effort at contributing. I also want to hear the defense Manning P. is waiting for, but I don't know if it's actually coming since Anita only said she would be posting more reads.

I've seen The Rodman online a couple of times since his last post, so what's with not posting anything? Just because people called someone out on calling you out, it doesn't grant you a free pass to watch from the sidelines and hope nobody notices.

I'd also like for Kylan R. to appear and contribute, but I don't know if he's actually been online or not.

Because I don't want to come online later to find that someone has quickhammered with BS reasoning (didn't realize my vote was putting Anita at L-1) and also because a part of me does want to see if Anita offers any valid defense, I'm going to unlynch Anita B. for now.

we now have this beauty of a post, where penelope goes ahead and gives us some reads. not necessarily important, but more just the last paragraph. i just dont understand why someone who gave such a detailed reason and post to go ahead and lynch anita would even retract at l-1. scum simply wouldn't 'quickhammer' as penelope puts it on day 1, it would just make them look scummy, and its just idiotic that she would even consider it. i honestly dont like this reasoning at all, and its just weird the way she puts it. seems like a shitty pass at just retracting cause l-1 (and possible scum wanting to just get off their partner, but probably less so). i dont even think that anyone was gonna lynch her until the last day. we still had like a bit over a day left until the deadline and it just seems ridiculous to consider that someone would hammer and stop all the possible day 1 discussion from happening.

may i also just emphasise the fact that her lynch had a lot of basis behind it by the fact that she says:

Penelope C. wrote:Starting with the second thing I mentioned earlier, I would like to point out that I did have my own reasons for lynching Anita, namely that the two people she’d asked to speak were someone with a seemingly RVS vote on her and an active player as opposed not people who haven’t even been playing the game (aside from the one with the RVS vote). This is also a portion of the rest I wanted to say in response to Anita’s post.

Since my earlier post, a part of me has developed that wants to believe the “Why would I make myself so obvious?”, though I’m still acknowledging the chance of it being WIFOM. The only reason I want to believe it is because it makes actual sense, but I also don’t see why town would filler like that or ask for more from someone who was already contributing.
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as she says in the first paragraph "I did have my own reasons for lynching Anita". ie 'i didnt RVS and retracted even though i emphasised that i had a strong scum lean on her throughout all my posts up to just before this point'.

lemme also just highlight the second part. i get its wifom and therefore isnt really useful to gain a pov, but she basically says the wifom that anita gave is making her think that she's possibly towny as a result of being so active. quite honestly doubt that considering the bulk of stuff up to that point in the game, but i'd also love to hear why she thinks otherwise.



this was never intended as a wall post about penelope, but hey ho, you just got one for free out of me. this probably reads as a load of nonsense, but im sure it's likely useful in some way. these are really just pretty rough thoughts i got from my current stance on penelope, which is that there's a lot of issues that i have with what she's said, and her plays are just making next to no sense to me. i could totally have had my tin foil hat on a bit too much when writing this and it's probably a bit too tunnel heavy, but i feel it's useful to get out there, even if it's a load of crap/conspiracy. now lynching her atm due to this past while spent reading over her stuff.

ill probably drop some basic reads or something tomorrow and make my mind up a bit more.

lynch penelope

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lovely to have you join us kylan im pretty happy to retract atm considering im sure there's plenty of other discussion that could happen elsewhere. decent commentary on jacuzzi though.
unlynch kylan

@manning i don't get your read on me at all lol. you seem to be completely overlooking like 75% of my content as it is. 1 post of mine was commenting that rhyanna should read, and i also said other stuff that was fairly ok in that post imo. secondly, i wasnt the one banging on about third is scum, and you can quite easily see it through the area where I mention it (like twice or something) in my reads list about other people who mentioned it ALL THE FUCKING TIME in their posts at that point. i mentioned it in my reads to simply get the point across and push some people to actually share content rather than nonsense like that. the other one was a response to my mention about sanpei thinking that was a good idea. apologies that i didnt lynch my MAIN scum read, its almost like im not allowed to have a life besides psanon you clown.
honestly read my posts manning, you'd get a better picture than the substandard one you're spreading in your reads list.

@sanpei: fair enough, didnt really come across that way in the way you said it. i mean her 'clearing' herself was a bit off, but i doubt its a bus or anything. if we go down the whole statistical route, bussing d1 in this setup would be fucking idiotic, and rhyanna would likely have awful odds in winning unless we're somehow that dumb (hopefully not). i doubt anyone would have bussed intentionally considering the whole nightless until n3 thing, making them be at an even worse advantage if any of the scum die within the 3 days. anyway, i just think that the other decent views about her is pretty indicative towards a town lean, and im not really doubting that at this stage.

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Sanpei S. wrote:

Rhyanna F. wrote:by the way if anyone is clearing me for rling anita they should be clearing rodman too
the only difference is that I was here to change my lynch after I rled and rodman (probably?) wasn't.

When did anyone ever say we were clearing you?

Sanpei S. wrote:Unlynch Rodman, Lynch Rhyanna F.

what made you decide what everyone in the game was doing? collective we isnt a you sanpei.

anyway semantics aside, i dont get why you're pushing so heavily here on rhyanna. fair point, no one said that they were clearing her because of the random lynch. but there's several good arguments for a town read currently, which are all pretty valid despite what you may think. not a clear, sure, but im pretty certain quite a lot of the game has a town lean on rhyanna at this stage.

im just gonna get called out on buddying and defending for no apparent reason on this post (although i really am defending with no reason), but you need to be called out (even though you've been like this the entire game tbh) and your non-stop aggression isnt really helping 50% of the time when its unfounded and a bit nonsensical.

good job with the lynch btw guys, we're making great progress.

lynch Kylan R

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Rhyanna F. wrote:by the way i have read like 1-2 sentences from each wallpost so if any of them are important let me know so i can read them
i dont like wall posts

Get used to them cause I'm not separating to just buff up my post count when I can just wall post and get the same detail across to you guys, rather than my scattered thoughts. Please read them though considering like 99% of the time a wall post will have something good in them, versus the nonsense that we can get in the regular paragraph posts. (I'm not awful I guess in terms of quoting hundreds of wall posts but generally they give good analysis.)

Anyway, at this last stage I'm likely planning on an Anita lynch at the end of today. My thoughts haven't massively changed yet on lots, but as a few of you said I want more activity from Kylan and Rodman, considering their activity is basically non-existent.
I'll pop on tonight for a bit to maybe look at some past posts from people and see if my mind changes at all, but expect a Anita lynch from me.

Game 29: Guess Who?

Penelope C. wrote:

Anita B. wrote:
Ok let's get real in here and flesh this all out.

I mean if I'm going to be honest here, my defence is this: As mafia, why would I make myself so obvious? I've already stated that I knew what I was doing was filler, and that I haven't had much of a townish presence. This is a semi-nightless setup, so as mafia my job is to make sure I be as townie as goddamn possible and to keep me and my partner(s) alive. So why the hell would I post so much, but do so little? I would rather do actual read posts and scumhunt super hard. From my perspective, my actions make no sense when you look at me as mafia.

The fact that this is a semi-nightless setup shouldn't change the mafia's goal of appearing townie not dying. There's also a ton WIFOM possible in "Why would I make myself so obvious?"

This. Appearing to be an active part of town is beneficial as a Mafia member, even more beneficial in this setup considering they'd want to avoid being lynched until they can kill so that they have good odds in terms of winning. I'm not outright saying you're 100% scum Anita, but simply looking at a lot of your contributions you've just been either rattling off a general statement, not really highlighting something that's very important to us as a town, or just fillering.
(I also probably should've merged my posts but formatting sucks)

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Sanpei S. wrote:@Carl:

Did you not see how much discussion surrounding Rodman the "third lynch is scum" gave us?

Yeah but as Ian said, the discussion was fucking useless. If you hadn't noticed, as I pointed out basically all of Penelope's posts up to my reads were her literally saying "oh look this guy said third is scum what a tit" and "third is scum is a really shitty reason". Like seriously, the discussion that came from it was not helpful, and all it did was make me annoyed that people would even bother discussing that versus something better. The whole point of RVS is to get reactions and discussion yes, but not in such a silly way that detracted from towns' priorities.

Game 29: Guess Who?

@Horatio and Jacuzzi

I'm pretty much in agreement with all of your points on Anita. Her posts, albeit some of them being fairly useful at this stage, are majority redundant and not necessarily being 100% helpful at this stage. Personally, my top reads at a basic point of view are at this stage are as follows: -

Leaning Town on Read:
Probably at this early stage, I'm leaning a town read on Horatio A., Prof. Jacuzzi, and Rhyanna F. These people have had pretty good contributions that I can't really pick apart so far other than a few issues that others have brought up. Probably most townie to least going from left to right. All three have been pretty good so far in terms of general arguments and have had great activity so far. No issues that I'm personally wanting to bring up.

Neutral:
Manning P. - posts are fucking useless filler/bunch of random lynches without reasoning or good reasoning. Still not exactly sure whether I'd lynch him yet tho, or if he's actually a scummy individual. Need to look at him more over today I think for a better pictuee before I'd be comfortable pushing a lynch on him, or thinking of him as a town/scumread.
The Rodman - also useless. no posts no point of view. please post more (pretty ironic coming from me but I'll be changing that hopefully.
Kylan R. - post more so people can actually think about you. Not accepting the lack of posts from people, considering all Kylans got is a guess at early reads and a crappy random lynch.
Ian S. - he's probably a bit towny to me, liked his breakdown of posts earlier but I don't know why he's not feeling townier to me at this stage. Likely town read later, unless I change my mind due to further reading.
Penelope C.. - i think we've all noticed that third is always scum gets on your nerves Penelope considering every single fucking post by you references that. More of just a reminder to you (and everyone I guess), tunneling is a shitty strategy and really is a dumb thing to do. Look at everything please. I'm sure your analysis would be helpful, but all your points so far just haven't been really helpful in shaping my point of view. Neutral at the moment, I'm sure Penelope's posts will push me in a direction soon however.
Sanpei S. - really have no clue with sanpei. His commentary so far has been pretty good, but I think it's his strategy so far that's off-putting to me. Pretty aggressive, albeit that's not necessarily a bad thing, I do that quite a lot too from time to time. I don't really agree with his ideas about the "3rd lynch" being good though. In what way did that help us have a better discussion? Personally having a much more defined random lynch would at least get us all discussing a decent topic rather than why the lynch has pointless reasoning. Agreed, Rodman is dumb, but there was plenty of other ways that he could have been targeted through discussion and random lynching rather than that crappy excuse of a lynch. Neutral.

Leaning Scum:
Anita B. - here's an exaggerated description of Anita's posts - filler filler shitty post with lack of reasoning filler filler. it's a bit much but I hope you all get the point at least, as Anita just hasn't been very contributive and very conducive towards helping town through the game. Shit posts like "Then why aren't you scum :^)" just isn't helping anyone, and generally her commentary isn't in agreement with what my point of view currently is. Think she's a pretty certain scum lean at the moment. Not going to lynch yet though, still need to think I feel


Also, apologies for not being super active so far. Not really had the time to dedicate as much as I hoped yesterday, but I'm gonna start looking at more stuff more frequently so I can be more active. Bit of a crappy excuse, but I really can't say anything else.

Leaning Scum:

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Not really sure why we're spreading lynches just for the sake of it. No clue why exactly this has any use when we all know this is just usual day 1 meta. Anyway, how about you all explain your lynches when you carry them out for a change? It's always nice for that to happen.

Game 29: Guess Who?

confirmerino

Also Sanpei my senpai looks nothing like you, let's just get that straight before we start. I call for a turbo on him cause his avatar is worse than professor jacuzzi.