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Nice and wasted day.

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I guess I have appeared scummy this game, but I still continue to support the lynching of Icarus, Charmaine, Mimi, or Natasha. Again, with Icarus. I think I like that order, but it depends on the JK action tonight.

Ramona, this may sound scummy, but I need to say it anyway. I strongly suggest you JK on one of the three above who is not lynched. You can call me scum or say I am scummy if you want, but knowing that, if I am scum, I will 100% not make the kill tonight. The doc will be a target, so it is safe to say whoever you RB tonight is scum. Please do not waste it on me. I really do hope Icarus is one of the 2/4 maf members and you will see I am town, but if he happens to be town, then I urge you not to JK me.

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Alright Annie, here's the deal.

I don't care if you were right about two players that I lynched and I was wrong. You can be right and I can be wrong thousand times and it wouldn't matter, as long as we are right the one time it counts. And right now, being right counts. We are on our last misslynch, unless the JK manages to stop a kill and win a second.

So, you were right. Brodie was town. Gurkinn was town. Haruno was town. I was wrong about them. Is that what you wanted to hear? Because correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't lead the Gurkinn lynch and I sure as hell wasn't the only one who thought they were scummy. You want to know why I was so convinced you were scum? Because you were scummy. And I believe one person's already said that both you and the JK were scummy before your claim. Hell, most of the players this game have been scummy. I wanted PR claims because honestly, I was running out of ideas for who could be scum.

You call me scummy because I flop around with my reads? Sure, my reads have changed as the game's gone on. As players make posts and make their lynches, opinions are bound to change.

Look at you, for example.

Annie:

You were convinced I was town after I made the post that started a lynch on a mafia goon. The only reason I see you started to jump on me was because I never replied to every little thing you've said in your posts, and now you are tunneling me. Tell me something. What if you are wrong? What if you succeed and get the lynch on me and I flip VT? Then who are you going to lynch? Who is my partner if I am really scum like you say I am? Because unless I bussed Fernando when I called him scummy, me and Natasha are the ones who got it going while you sat back and didn't lynch a damned person D1. You keep making town reads on scummy players, and yet your only convincing scumread is on the girl who got a mafia lynched D1 in the first place?

You wanted to know why I thought Haruno was likely doc? It's because I wouldn't have minded a maf kill on her. I remain convinced she is a VT and she was my least scummy of the three lurkers.

I gave a list yesterday saying I wanted you lynched next and the Professor Icarus next. I went to Icarus instead of you next. My opinion changed after night and I decided you weren't as scummy as I had thought, so I lynched Icarus.

Annie wrote:honestly just look at this shit, to you guys this might not be very interesting, but it is to me. And you wanna know why? because this is the exact attitude I've had to deal with in every single psanon game I've played as town. And you wanna know who was giving off this attitude (though generally not as obvious as Towa)? A SCUM PLAYER WHO WAS CONVINCED EVERYONE SAW THEM AS TOWN EXCEPT ME.

Good for you. You've played in old games before. What does an old game have to do with this one? So I play aggressive. I lynch people I feel are scummy. Big deal. That's just the way I play. If you don't like it, tough. Either you can get over it and help me sift through the 4 people I am now convinced hold 2 scum, or you can keep trying to lynch me. I don't care. But I am going to work on finding the last two mafia members.

Btw, that reminded me. I did say Mimi was my biggest town read and I did say she would be a good JK target. If we lynch a scum today, then JKering her would either confirm she is scum based on kill/no kill that night. I am not 100% sure she is town. She could be scum acting a whole lot more townie than the rest of us have.

Also, you want to know why I thought you were scummy and "making stuff up about you"? When I read over your interactions with Brodie and Icarus, it seemed scummy to me. I interpreted it as scummy and I stated my thoughts. Wrong or not, those were my thoughts on your interactions.

I think I have everything covered, but if I don't, I know I can count on you to point it out.

Anyway, I am still happy with my Icarus lynch, and will remain there for now.

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Actually, I am sorry to say but my newspaper will probably be put on hold until 4:00 Monday. I have irl to do right now. Either way, a Prof Ic lynch sounds good. Will explain everything when I have the time.

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Alright Annie, since you're making me waste my time to deal with your crap before we can get back on track, I'll type a newspaper up just for you later tonight. Expect it in 6 hours or less.

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Interesting!

Annie, I must say, I am surprised as fuck. I never thought it was you, but then, my scumreading has been off since Fernando. I assumed it would be the more active one that would be scum and you surprised me greatly. Now that we are at this point, with no CCs so far, let's look for scum with what we have.

From my view, these are the ones we need to hunt for scum in. I have excluded PR claims and also Nanette, as I see her in an increadible lurking VT light. I do not believe she is scum, nor do I believe her lynch is of benifit to town. If you oppose this view, let me know.

As for these 4 here, let's look at them.

Professor Icarus- Has always seemed scummy-neutral to me, and while he has made lots of town posts, I continue to think it is him. I am happy with this lynch as it stands now.

Charmaine U- Someone I saw as scummy for the longest time then changed to see in a town light. I am not sure if it would be her over anyone else, but perhaps if we jail Mimi, we will know for sure.

Mimi F- My biggest town read since Delilah, and yet she was not a PR like I would have thought. I do not think she would be a good lynch, but I do think she would be a good JK target.

Natasha L- The first to switch to Fernando after I called him out. She has seemed scummy to me as a gut read since the first newspaper I wrote with those piss poor quick reads. But she was the first on scum, so why would she do that unless a bus? It does make me wonder if she is scum and the Fernando lynch would get me off her, but I am unsure.



These are my thoughts. If anyone has anything to add or a CC to make, do so now, please. And if you think I am a scumteam with Nanette, say so now. I am sure there will be some interesting reactions to look at when I don't even mention her as one of my 4 vt/scum CCs.

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We are one day from mylo. We need both claims today. If we give mafia a chance to CC in mylo, we risk a QH and a possible 50/50 situation. We need both of them to claim today so that we can sift through VT's a lynch mafia or lynch between CCs. It shouldn't be that hard to pick out scum from town once we have some claims, but we need them and we need them FAST.

Every minute we wait to get claims is another minute we lose of discussion.

As it stands now, I am happy with your lynch, btw, Professor Icarus. You and Annie were the two I wanted next if neither of you were PR claims, and since both of you are against getting both PR claims out today and are town reading each other, it makes me wonder if I am in fact right and you are a scumteam together.

DOC AND JK PLEASE CLAIM FAST

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Lynch Professor Icarus

A little lynch while we wait for claims. I strongly suggest if you are either, you claim.

I really think the doc and JK should both claim. The stupidest thing they can both do is not claim and fuck over town. We have an easy win if we can get 2 clears today, and we have two lynches, as well as the JK who is able to block scum. We are in a great position here.

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Honestly, this is actually perfect. I can feel the winds of change. We're about to give them hell.

Ehehehehehe

JAILKEEPER AND DOCTOR IT IS TIME TO CLAIM

We have one misslynch before lylo. I strongly urge JK and doc to claim. I am confident we can hit a mafia after they claim. I am more so confident we can prevent a kill tonight too.

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Gurkinn N.(2)- Lurk in a bad way. Subs in and never posts thoughts beyond a quick answer. I wouldn't be surprised if town, but is more scummy to me than towny. Better off dead either way.

Nanette B.(1)- Lurk but in a way that makes me think of town. I wouldn't be surprised if she was doc tbh.

Haruno H.(0)- Looks like she was trying but never followed through. Her and Nanette compete for who is most useless, but her random activity on Page 3 where she asked people slid by completely. She was called out for saying she would be more active and then went back to lurking. a lynch on her might get results, but tbh, I can see her as more town than not.

Charmaine U.(0)- Initially super scummy, but I would like to see the Gurkinn thing go home. Has become more towny as we go, though not a good town player. Honestly, I don't trust her leads to be any good. Maybe it's the playstyle, but she seems like town, just not reliable town.

Professor Icarus(0)- I constantly change my mind on what he is. The Brodie flip made me think town but I every time I think of him I think he could be maf. He's too neutral for me. I wanted to see your stance on the Brodie lynch and his flip would help me to decide if you were maf trying to save partner or town trying to save a non-scumread. Really, I need to go back and look, but atm you are too neutral for me.

Mimi F.(0)- Been a town read since early and continues to not seem scummy to me. If she is maf I would be surprised, because nothing she does screams scum to me.

Annie F.(0)- Back and forth on scum or town and I continued to think that you opposed Mimi too much. I question your lynch on me, because I consider myself one of the more town-y people and it seems most people have a town read on me. So why lynch me? For pressure? You would be better served to pressure someone scummy> someone not so scummy who doesn't feel she needs to reply to every single little tiny detail of every post you make. It makes me feel you're maf after all and you'd rather shift focus to me> others who are scummier.

Natasha L.(0)- I would say she was scummy based on activity and on lack of posts, but the Fernando lynch has me forced to town read her. She started the lynching, I made the post that pointed it out. I wouldn't think maf bus but it's possible. Still, more town read than maf just because she was the first.

Ramona G.(0)- Who? Started out town-y and lurks but in a way that I could see her as town or maf. Neutral leaning scummy only because I could see her as scum>Nanette but town>Haruno.

Of the lurks, it's Nanette town->Ramona->Haruno scummy?

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Honestly Annie, if you want my opinion, I just don't care enough about this game anymore. I did think of you and Mimi as opposite factions because you both had each other as scumreads and it was part of my Brodie theory. If you really think I am scum, then think what you want. I put the suspicion on Fernando and got the ball rolling to get a maf lynch D1. If you think that was a bus and I'm maf, then oh well. I'm not going to go back and respond to every detail of your posts because I don't see it as beneficial at all.

As for my thoughts right now:

Nanette B. I am sure is town. Huruno is less so, but probably town.

Professor Icarus is neutral

Natasha- I would say scummy if not for the fact she was the first one on Fernando when I made my post.

At the moment, these are my lynches in order:

1- Gurkinn
2- Annie (On this day, JK and doc should claim EARLY)
3- Professor Icarus
4- Ramona/Haruno

We have 2 misslynches left. I'm hoping we win a third or we have scum killed off by D3. With JK and doc claim and also maf kill, we can narrow people down easier.

Unlynch Nanette
Lynch Gurkin

The reason I support Gurkin is because two others support it too and honestly, Gurkinn never said a thing since subbing to make me think he was town. And since Nanette has become a town read for me, I need to get off her. I would rather my lynch be on Proff Ic atm, but oh well. I will likely not change my mind by the end of deadline and will prob only pop on to check.

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Ramona G. wrote:

Natasha L. wrote:Sorry for lack of activity yesterday in game. I was super busy and away.

Too-Little-Activity-To-Read: Haruno H., Ramona G. (Both self-explanatory) Please pick up your activity guys.

Excuse me, including this post, we have the same amount of posts.

Yes, but, Natasha does have an actual readslist. The fact that you are just now coming out with posts after last night but not adding anything to the game is iffy. I would like to have your readslist/thoughts on the players.

Also, to answer your question about why doc and not JK, it's because the JK hitting scum can block a kill. It would be in towns best interest that the JK is on scummy people, and I do not believe I am scummy after everything that happened D1. The doc will serve the same protective purposes as a JK, but the JK is better off on scumreads.

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Way to go JK and doc. We have won an extra day of a NL, but we need one more to get another misslynch. Sorry about my goof with Brodie, but holy fuck he looked so scummy. Gurkin, I hope to see your readslist soon and I will have my own updated one posted tomorrow. For now, I am going to do something interesting and...

Lynch Nanette B.

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In case I die tonight, I will say I am starting to have second thoughts about the Annie lynch but I still want to lynch Brodie. I would love to see where Annie puts her lynch tonight, as lynches are the truest tell of what we are thinking. Annie, I did look back and see that Brodie did respond to everything you had to say, but it still felt weird to me when I looked it over.

I've also looked and it says brodie has been online today. He should see that the lynches are on him, so idk why he has not said anything. If he and one other person were to put lynches on Gurkin, then I think that would be our scumteam right there. I doubt they will try to change the hammer, but still, something to watch for.

Annie, maybe I was a little too into my Annie/Brodie scumteam theory, but I am starting to see you and Charmaine as both a little more town-y. I would like to know where you do stand on Brodie, though. You've not made a lynch or really given too many thoughts on him, so I am trusting that if I were to die tonight, that Mimi will be able to figure out your alignment for sure. As of now, she is my top town read and my other reads still stand with you as slightly less scummy until I see your thoughts and also I hope, a lynch.

This may be a foolish request, but I ask the doctor be on me tonight. Whether you do or not will make for quite the fun game of wifom between you and mafia, but I am hoping the JK or doc can prevent a kill tonight and win us an extra misslynch. I feel the day we get doc/JK to claim is soon to be upon us and depending on Brodie flip/scum kill, we can decide tomorrow. I can check this thread tonight before DL, but this is the last time I have to post. So I hope for some good news with Brodie.

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Yes on page 6 Charmaine

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Mimi, while I get that people are out for Gurkin and Charmaine, just think that Charmaine is on Gurkin atm. It makes me think it could be one or the other but not both. Meanwhile, Brodie never made his promised post and also he's not provided anything new since my newspaper that got the lynch moved to Fernando. If you read my reads on Annie, you, and Brodie, then I would like your thoughts on it. I will also continue to advocate the Brodie lynch, as the guy who was a prominent town leader role D1 has gone silent since a mafia was lynched and has shown himself to be scummy to more than just me.

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Update: Beginning to see Charmaine in a town light. Again, I want to see Brodie flip in order to decide on Annie/Charmaine.

Still waiting for Brodie to make his post today.


Was what I was about to type until I remembered Gurkinn needs a sub, Charmaine. Even so I see you as slightly less scummy, but I still think you need to be lynched after Brodie as you are still a huge scumread.

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Brodie S- Scumread, thoughts remain the same as my last post on him on D1 and will remain that way until he makes his readslist.

Gurkinn N- I was thinking that he was actually town-y, until I looked at his last activity. He was last on an hour and 20 minutes from the time I am making this post. The only problem with him is lack of posts when he is active. Had he simply just not have been active since his last post, I would have given him a town read just for the sheer unhelpfulness he showed towards Fernando, but now I am taking my read down to neutral, possible scum. In the time since I typed this, I saw AJ post about getting a sub. This makes me change my read to neutral leaning town. Leaving initial thoughts but bolding this here so it stands out since I couldn't get color change right.

Nanette B- Another initial town read, but after checking over her posts, I have changed my mind and she is now among scumreads. She is active (on today) but has yet to make a post. The fact that she has nothing to say after we lynched a mafia makes me suspicious. Her older posts, while semi-townie, actually don't seem to add a whole lot of information to the game. Leaning scum. I hope you can speak up and perhaps change my mind.

Haruno H- Mostly useless posts and nothing to really comment on. When making this readslist I skipped over her until I was scrolling back for Natasha and saw that she was still alive. Her activity is bad, but nothing really to say about her without more content. Odd read here, but, neutral leaning town.

Charmaine U- Read on her remains the same and will continue to be that way until she makes an intelligent post. Scumread.

Professor Icarus- Makes good posts but I still have a hard time making a definite read on him. I want to say he's town, but he makes me uneasy. Neutral, leaning town.

Mimi F- Fast to move to Fernando lynch and has made an excellent readslist imo. Even if I don't agree with everything, she still seems to be on top of things and arouses no suspicion. Town read.

Annie F- Part of what makes me think of you as a scumread is all of your interacts with Brodie. There was also a post made by Mimi on Page 3, and while Brodie addressed most of it, he never gave opinions on you. Him being my scumread and Mimi being a townread makes me think of you as scum. I do not think Mimi and Annie are of the same faction. Part of the reason I want to lynch Brodie is because his flip will be the deciding factor for what you are to me. It seemed like Brodie was trying to seem town and buddy with you while you tried to force him away by looking like you opposed him. The thing that confuses me is your interactions with Charmaine. I can see you as a scumteam with Brodie, but I also scumread Charmaine, and with only two maf, I need to see Brodie flip soon. (This is also a shout out to Prof Ic. I feel I can get a better read on you with a Brodie flip). Scumread.

Natasha L- With her quick flip to Fernando after my post, I do feel she is more townie, now. I wish activity was up, but tbh nothing scummy about her to me atm. Initially a scumread, but it was only a gut read and has since changed as I look at new scumreads.

Ramona G- Was a town read from early on when she made a post thinking of me as towny/not overly scummy even though I was racking up lynches. Lack of activity is meh, but she is online as I type this. I would like to see her thoughts. still townread.



I know my activity has been a little iffy, especially with my promised readslist being late. I am away atm and typing this on a laptop, not my computer. It's made it a little harder for me to post but that is no excuse for slacking. Part of why I have gone downhill is I was super excited for this game, especially after a maf lynch D1, and the lack of posts and reactions to the lynch have soiled it for me a bit. I will try to keep more activity, though will likely not be able to make a huge post like this from Thusday until Friday evening. Anyway, I hope this post helps with my thoughts.

Oh, one last thing. I focused on Brodie/Charmaine because they were my top scumreads. I didn't feel much on everyone else until I did look back, so Prof Ic and Annie you did give me new thoughts.

Lynch order (how I would like it)

1:Brodie
2 (conditional): Annie (if Brodie is scum/mimi is town, otherwise if Brodie is town, then no to her second)
2(conditional): Charmaine (second only after brodie flip/annie conditions)
3: Nanette

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Professor Icarus wrote:Towa Q. : Right now with Towa I feel like I have a slight town lean. Her posts have been OK so far, loved the bulk of content she gave when she was actually pressured but my god would it kill to actually share something other than the bare minimum when you're not being pressured. Seem to sorta be tunneling on Brodie at the moment, which I can see why but I don't see the need to lynch him today at least, better outcomes can be reached with discussion of everyone. slight town lean (urge that you focus on everyone today, rather than just your ideal scumread. Would help us to see a lot more details rather than a focus on Brodie)

Tbh, I know I need to make a better reads list, but atm I am stuck with just the two scumreads from yesterday until Brodie or Charmaine can respond in bulk (and with some intelligence in Charmaine's case). I have nothing much new to add if the people I am scumreading are not being active, and both of them have been online since I have called them out, so it just makes them seem even scummier to me to not reply. Atm, they are the only ones I see as worthy of scumreading because they are the only ones who have even attempted to play and respond until they were called out.

I would like to see AJ make sure a couple of these users are still active, since they seem to have dropped off so much and sub out the ones who are not active, as it makes for a harder game when 2-3 players are inactive af.

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Well, I got to say, I am disappointed this game died after last night. Everyone knows it's day now, but where is Brodie and Charmaine to talk? I am happy with you just dying, Brodie, but maybe you can talk some?

Haruno H. and Ramona G. I would like to see you talk too.

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Lynch Brodie S

His last visit was on Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:01 am.
He's keeping up with thread, but has yet to reply to my post or give thoughts on anything since I made my post.

RIP Delilah. She was one of my two biggest town-reads.

We still have 3 misslynches left and the potential to clear doc/JK whenever, assuming they can keep living. Will make another big post later about Brodie and why I thought Annie could be partner as well as reads list on a few others.

Charmaine and Brodie, you two might want to make a reads list, or an intelligent reply. Also, Charmaine, what of my giant post was filler? I still would like specific examples since you seem to be super focused on me rn.

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I still support a Brodie lynch, but this is my last chanc to get on before DL and it seems it won't happen. I will ask that if i die tonight, that you look into my other 2 scumreads. For now, Fernando still has not given anything of value and he has not claimed a PR. His lynch will be fine, and since he's a scumread of mine anyway, I will join the wagon.

ul brodie
lynch fernando

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Charmaine U:

Charmaine, you have 5 posts. 1 is your confirmation, 1 is filler that adds nothing to the game, 1 is just a reply to my quote, but again adds no info to the game.

Charmaine U. wrote:fernando switching lynches faster than something fast

Charmaine U. wrote:blah blah blah giant wall posts of 90% filler and throwing out terms to make you seem like you know whats up. You people need to actually think instead of seeing a giant wall post and going omg town. Towa is still scummy, did you even read her reads?

I was the first person to call out fernando on his scumminess. glad some people actually listened? also nice of natashia to jump lynches too it seems.

Your "being the first person to call out fernando" was just you saying he switched his lynch fast. You did not call him scummy nor did you add anything of value to your post. The only time you've made a post since then is after I called you out as being a scumread, even though you were active before that.

As for my giant post being "filler", I addressed everything I felt was important and explained my thoughts on the game. If you would like to point out exactly what parts are filler in my post, please do. Maybe it will help us to understand what you're thinking, because your other posts have done nothing to help us.

You continue to be my scumread, and I would like your defense as to why you are not scummy.

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DL is at 9AM tomorrow, so we have less than 15 hours to go. I am fine with Fernando lynch as he is still a scumread, but I now prefer this one:

UL Gurkin
Lynch Brodie S.

I would really like a reply to my post, Brodie, and I will have time to check before DL tomorrow if you want to change my mind, but the fact that you never bothered to make a real post after my huge one tells me you are scummy af.

Side note, Delilah, I totally didn't realize that was a furfrou, I thought it was your butt and you were a hooker.

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Alright, my top 3 scumreads are being listed. That's all I've got time for tonight since I took a nap and slept through when I promised my big reads list. Except for these 3, my reads have not changed since the short post yesterday.

Fernando T- He is the second scummiest person, imo, and that's saying something since he's super scummy looking.

Charmaine- Thank you for pointing this out, Delilah, I would have missed it if not. With Charmine's already low post count and the fact that they are still actively checking thread makes me think that it's mafia laying low. #3 scumread.

Brodie S- He may have given "helpful town info", but to me, nothing he's said has been very helpful. He makes long posts and looks like he's contributing a lot, but all he's managed to do is ask for the JK to claim and then take it back, saying it's helpful for town to let JK hide. People pointed out the big words in his posts trying to make him look more towny, and I didn't buy it at first, but I can see it as a legit maf strat. I also called out things he said in my newspaper, and he has been online since I posted, yet he ignored it and made a senseless filler post instead, asking about a past game and the furfrou thing. I see it like this, he's made himself look scummy, and since I had 4 lynches at the time of my post, he didn't bother trying to reply to it, preferring I get lynched since I am not maf (from my perspective I am town and this read is from my perspective so yeah). Potential partner: Annie F.