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Game 11: Vengeful Mafia Mafia

The activity at the end was an accident, though; that was me having no time to do this.
by Rochelle R.
on Fri Dec 26, 2014 11:18 am
 
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The reason why I posted with less grammar or reason than usual in the beginning of the game was to play differently. I forgot to mention that.
by Rochelle R.
on Fri Dec 26, 2014 11:17 am
 
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Trinity M. wrote:Unlucky there. I mainly blame the fact we had like 0 townies there on the last days (also my lack of activity). I really don't know where the fuck rochelle went to and a few others, but i guess Christmas commitments happened for some of us :/ Anyway, well played makino and butler, didn't expect makino one bit there and probably wouldn't have if we were going forward. Now onto the guesses, got a vague idea about a few of you guys :p

Yeah, really sorry I wasn't there. School jumped out of a bush when I was walking down the street and mugged me of all my time. I had to write two essays last weekend for after-school activities. I mean, Laos is interesting and all, but it was a lot of work.
by Rochelle R.
on Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:58 pm
 
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aww. I was ready to flip out at Butler and be all, "I toldja so!" but he was kinda mafia.
by Rochelle R.
on Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:53 pm
 
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Game 11: Vengeful Mafia Mafia

uh-oh
what'd I miss?
by Rochelle R.
on Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:51 pm
 
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Butler P. wrote:
Rochelle R. wrote:So, in responesed to butler's first post.
1. So are new strategiis bad? It can be good without being used often.
2. I thought it defended me well.
3. Ok, you townread trinity.
4.  Think it's odd that you took bwing so lightly.
5. There were a lot of mixed reads in my readlist.

Remember, these tghings aren't scummy. Just a little odd.


"Or we could lynch Butler, who seems to have slightly scummy traits.

Did I ever say we should lynch you? I don't think you know what "off" means. It means thatsomething doesn't seem right. Not that we shoud lynch you.
by Rochelle R.
on Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:08 am
 
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Butler P. wrote:A few other things that I had meant to include but left out:

-At the top of your post, you said that my logic was "off." So why then did half of the posts (first two, to be specific) you commented on have nothing to do with my logic?

-Alright, referring to the second post you commented on. How was that post overly aggressive? I saw something and I was curious about it, so I asked what you meant by it. Why is asking for clarification being aggressive? The whole idea of scum hunting when you have no power roles is to get as much info as you can and use it to make an educated guess. If anything, NOT asking questions and pressing for info is scummy.

I apologize if that came off fairly ranty, but I feel strongly about the subject of accusing people of being, "too aggressive."

Did I say it was aggressive? I just think it's off.
by Rochelle R.
on Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:05 am
 
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Butler, you don't understand. Your posts seem a little off. There is nothing you can do to defend it.
by Rochelle R.
on Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:03 am
 
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So, in responesed to butler's first post.
1. So are new strategiis bad? It can be good without being used often.
2. I thought it defended me well.
3. Ok, you townread trinity.
4. Think it's odd that you took bwing so lightly.
5. There were a lot of mixed reads in my readlist.

Remember, these tghings aren't scummy. Just a little odd.
by Rochelle R.
on Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:59 am
 
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Damn.
by Rochelle R.
on Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:07 am
 
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Fergus K. wrote:
Rochelle R. wrote:lynch fergus
so it's almost the deadline and I'm pretty sure that Fergus and Butler are hanging around to quicklynch me and watch me die.

This implies that we are a scum team, but remember that I have read you as town. To be honest, the more you posts the more scummy you seem to me and even you and Trinity have said that if you were to be your scum partner, you wouldn't protect Rochelle so I might have to change my opinions on Rochelle.

Yeah and then I realized that you were just online and that you weren't ganging up on me with Butler, and that I don't need to lynch my way out of dying. And that's why my second post exists.
Fergus K. wrote:Also @Rochelle why do you have to make your status hidden?

There are a bunch of reasons, but mainly so that the scum doesn't get accused for being online at night. I have my status hidden so that other people with their status hidden don't seem scummy. Plus it can sort of hide my identity.
by Rochelle R.
on Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:24 pm
 
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Butler P. wrote:So, that was not the most favorable result yesterday. Now, heading into day 2, Mr. Makino and Ms. Gizelle will be under close inspection, I'm sure. I would like to see more of them, Gizelle in particular.

One of the more intriguing players from yesterday I've noticed was Mr. Andreas. He has been here throughout the entire game, but he hasn't done much. He only enlightened us on a few opinions, and didn't place a vote. This was just something I picked up from yesterday, I would be happy if I could hear opinions on it.

I know I keep coming back to this post, but it's a perfect example of Butler seeming just a little off. Not scummy, just a little unexpected. "Mr. Makino and Ms. Gizelle will be under close inspection, I'm sure." Why are you sure? It's just a little odd.
by Rochelle R.
on Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:19 pm
 
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I'll admit this isn't many posts, but I only think Butler's logic is a little off. So here we go.

Butler P. wrote:Gizelle's suicide scum hunting  has some merit. Some. I can see where she was coming from. However, the risk versus reward isn't even close. There's the clear first problem, that we are down by one more town member instantly. But, since she was acting so scummy, we spent nearly the entire day talking about Gizelle. Now we have very little going into this day, except for Gizelle's plan making Rochelle the scummiest. And if we lynch Rochelle and this strategy is wrong? We're down two townies and have to lynch three mafia to win, all thanks to Gizelle's faith in her strategy. If this strategy works so well, why haven't I ever seen it used before?


The above post is fairly logical. It seems fine. Except for the last sentence. It's just a little odd that it's thrown in there. It just seems off.

Butler P. wrote:
Rochelle R. wrote:N33T, Kaito turned mafia.
I understand I'm not off the hook. In my defense, I was actually pressured into taking off the lynch from Kaito, and it would have been easy to preserve Kaito had I wanted to.


Yes, it would have been easy to preserve Kaito had you wanted to. You merely had to unlynch him. How does this defend you, exactly?

Also, Toran D. was only subbed out once. See game 8, page 31.


See, here it seems to me that you didn't take into account the first sentence. Idk, I thought this was clear. It seems like an overly aggressive post to me.

Butler P. wrote:Mr. Sukisoh - Has told us many times today and yesterday that he believes I am scummy, yet still hasn't explained how. I'm finding it hard to get a read on him...he made a decent argument when we were on to him, but his most recent read list looked rushed and hastily put together. Neutral

Ms. Trinity - I could copy past my entry from my last read list, and it would be essentially the same. Hasn't posted much, but still plenty of quality posts. Hasn't really taken a stand on anything besides all of Gizelle's madness, but perhaps her readlist will reveal more. Town read.

I feel like everyone is townreading Trinity. Can we not remember that the last time she posted frequently was when she was going after Gizelle? I can see how that's easy to forget, but you don't have any feeling she might be scum?

Mr. Fergus - Haven't been able to get a good read on him...he seems somewhat town like, but again, I can't really tell. It didn't make sense to me how he said so surely that Ms. Rochelle was not mafia. Maybe no one has defended her, but if someone did it would be too obvious that they were a scum team. Neutral/no read

Mr. Makino - People have been against him for most of the game, and I feel as though he has done a decent job of defending himself. His posts make some sense, but there is no denying that he has jumped on bandwagons a couple of times. 55/45 town to scumSo he jumps on bandwagons, a seemingly telltale sign of scum, but that's not as scummy as me bringing up that fergus has been subbed a bunch of times?

Ms. Rochelle - Her most recent "readlist" was just a culmination of different thoughts that didn't combine into anything. She pointed out several things, but she can't decide if they are scummy or not apparently. She brings up so many different things, but she doesn't back them up. 45/55 scum to town
Yes, I said right in the beginning that the read list was going to be a train wreck. How does that make me scummy?


I want to get something out of the way: none of these things are atrocious or even bad. However, accumulated, it evokes a general "off" feeling.
by Rochelle R.
on Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:17 pm
 
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"he seems to take one point and scumread someone for it" I thought was all that it said. I'll go find some posts. I'm really sorry about that.
by Rochelle R.
on Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:04 pm
 
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So, I thought that I had to save myself with a lynch, but there are lynches on others.

See, I don't understand Butler's logic. I do see that I don't back up my claims a lot. But he keeps coming back to Fergus thing. He does, is it just me? I feel like I'm no scummier than the rest, except for the fergus thing.
by Rochelle R.
on Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:03 pm
 
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ul fergus
wait never mind that was the dumbest post ive made all game.
by Rochelle R.
on Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:59 pm
 
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lynch fergus
so it's almost the deadline and I'm pretty sure that Fergus and Butler are hanging around to quicklynch me and watch me die.
by Rochelle R.
on Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:58 pm
 
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Butler P. wrote:
Butler P. wrote:I'm going to Lynch Rochelle. Every time she says something, I feel like we have to force her to back it up, and even when she does, she doesn't back them up well. I also feel as if she's been trying to find reasons to suspect me just because I have questioned her often (In fact, me questioning her often was one of here reasons).

One of the biggest things that rubbed me the wrong way about Rochelle was how she turned the number of times Fergus was subbed out into a reason to suspect him. She said that her past experiences told her that this was scummy. Well, let's look at game 9, for example, which had a whopping three players subbed out twice.

Users that were subbed out twice and flipped Mafia: Akina E.

Users that were subbed out twice and flipped Town: Robert O., Gulzar L.

So, since this happened once, it is a scummy thing now?




Do you really think this is lynching for one reason? Did you miss the entire first paragraph?

Yes. You have a paragraph stating a bunch of things that are vaguely scummy like not backing up posts. Then you spend the rest of it talking about how I said that one thing that "really rubbed you the wrong way" and that apparently was worth a page of argument and pushed me over the edge into the abyss of scum.
by Rochelle R.
on Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:57 pm
 
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Butler P. wrote:
Rochelle R. wrote:Okay we have to lynch today. To be honest, I don't know whom to lynch. We could lynch Fergus, who has been the least logical imo. Or we could lynch Butler, who seems to have slightly scummy traits. Or we could lynch Makino, who has been scrutinized lately.

Or we could lynch me.

So, what'll it be?


Page 30 actually, Ms. Rochelle.

Ah, my bad. I forgot I had written that. If you want a more specific definition of your scumminess, see my last reads post.
by Rochelle R.
on Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:55 pm
 
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Fergus:
I had a whole deate with butler about the sub thing in which I made it clear that this alone doesn't prove anything, and that I only felt that it was relevant.

An example of you being illogical is when you townread me (ironically). I made a post about why I thought it was illogical.
by Rochelle R.
on Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:19 pm
 
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Butler P. wrote:@Sukisoh

So after nearly 5 in-game days that is all you have picked up, and you believed you had a case good enough to place a lynch on me yesterday? (Don't start posting about how I am a hypocrite and whatnot, I made it clear that the Fergus being subbed out more than once deal wasn't the only reason I lynched Rochelle.)


@Rochelle and everyone else who said something like Rochelle earlier

Okay, so I thought that the generic "there are some off things about him" comments were over, but apparently not. Rochelle just said that I "seemed to have some scummy traits." Alright. What are these traits? If you don't explain them, I just get the feeling that you don't actually have anything to say about me and that you're repeating the same general statement that others have said several times. (Also, if you say aggressiveness, I hope you have an argument prepared as to why aggressiveness is a scumtell, because it is my playstyle of choice.)

"I think you have scummy trats"
What was that from, page 3? Lately I've said you tend to scumread for just one reason.
by Rochelle R.
on Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:17 pm
 
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Rochelle R. wrote:
Fergus K. wrote:Sorry for my lack of activity despite just being subbed. I have quite a few things to do in school today. You can expect more posts from me tomorrow.

So this trips two alarms. One is the fact that he is making an excuse when he had time to come on, and probably ought to have had time to post a few hasty observations. The second is the fact that he is the third sub, which from past experience indicates scum.

I said it trips alarms. I never siad you were scum because of it, and I never said you were scummy for just that reason.
by Rochelle R.
on Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:34 pm
 
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Fergus K. wrote:
Rochelle R. wrote:Okay we have to lynch today. To be honest, I don't know whom to lynch. We could lynch Fergus, who has been the least logical imo. Or we could lynch Butler, who seems to have slightly scummy traits. Or we could lynch Makino, who has been scrutinized lately.

Or we could lynch me.

So, what'll it be?


Ok, posts like this confused me frustrates me. I don't like how you use the word "least logical" when I have been attempting to use scum hunting techniques.

Weren't you the one that brought up points like "Oh he is subbed a lot so probably scum" and not elaborating or explaining what you want to achieve?

I think that, of the players, you have used the least clear logic. That is my opinion.

Ok you and butler both keep coming back to this point. I brought up that you've been subbed a lot. I did not say that you are "probably scum" because of it. I spent a whole page arguing whether it was relevant, which I think it is, but I never said that it madxe you scum.
by Rochelle R.
on Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:27 pm
 
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Okay we have to lynch today. To be honest, I don't know whom to lynch. We could lynch Fergus, who has been the least logical imo. Or we could lynch Butler, who seems to have slightly scummy traits. Or we could lynch Makino, who has been scrutinized lately.

Or we could lynch me.

So, what'll it be?
by Rochelle R.
on Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:10 pm
 
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Trinity M. wrote:
As i said before, I'm sorry for the lack of activity, but timezones are annoying and life is busy, i try to get on when i can :< It's almost impossible to post at the same  time as you lot, i never catch the big lot of activity. Also, how on earth have i been anti-makino the entire game? Please show me evidence, that is a couple of posts at least or shows lots of negativity, cause one post doesn't mean shit. And about gizelle, there was literally a ckncensus from town that she was scummy and not aiding our efforts. I don't see how that is scummy if a lot of people had those feelings.

Will do a read list later tonight since there was a request.

I don't blame you for not being active.

I would have sworn you were anti-makino, but CTRL F-ing through your list of posts, I couldn't find anything negative on Makino. Interesting.
by Rochelle R.
on Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:04 pm
 
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