Game 33: Purgatory

Is it too late to confirm :

I'm so cute what the heck that's a first

Madam much money will u be my sugar mama, I'll vote to send u to heaven if I say yes

Autumn F. wrote:Madam much money will u be my sugar mama, I'll vote to send u to heaven if I say yes

Scum partner found gg gimme me MVP

Autumn F. wrote:Madam much money will u be my sugar mama, I'll vote to send u to heaven if I say yes

We can go to heaven together Just have to send this heretic Howie to the depths of hell real quick.

Pete just doesn't understand our love.

Charlene W. wrote:Confirm town

"So I here im villy"
Lynch Charlene W.

Pete S. wrote:

Autumn F. wrote:Madam much money will u be my sugar mama, I'll vote to send u to heaven if I say yes

Scum partner found gg gimme me MVP

I'm just a poor waitress looking for some quick ways to get rich
ur just jelly u don't have a sugar mama to inherit fortunes hehe

Votecount 1.1
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Isis A.(1)- Howie M.
Howie M.(1)- Madam Muchmoney
Madam Muchmoney(1)- Pete S.
Charlene W.(1)- Galea R.
Autumn F.(0)-
Galea R.(0)-
Master Fisherman(0)-
Pete S.(0)-
Rory M.(0)-
Not Voting(5)- Autumn F., Charlene W., Isis A., Master Fisherman, Rory M.
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There are 9 alive so it takes 5 to hammer. Plurality applies.
Deadline is Tuesday the 10th at 9pm EST.

If the deadline was now, Isis A. would be lynched.

Lynch Autumn F.

Cute users always are scum

I've mulled over some ideas on how to play this theme, and I want to know people's opinions on one of these ideas.

Should we consistently send the towniest players to heaven? I personally think this is a bad idea and something we should do ONLY when we aren't really sure of any other option to send forward.

Galea R. wrote:I've mulled over some ideas on how to play this theme, and I want to know people's opinions on one of these ideas.

Should we consistently send the towniest players to heaven? I personally think this is a bad idea and something we should do ONLY when we aren't really sure of any other option to send forward.

Who do you propose we send instead then?

Woah game is slow.

I mean the towniest person is often the option we're sure of so like, your proposal makes kinda no sense.

Unless you mean something along the lines of like "Send the second towniest" or some shit in which case that's just... long-winded.

Man the people need to get in and RVS man, PSAnon games aren't supposed to be dead

what i meant by that is that we keep the towniest players around because they can actually help town out
I suppose its worth considering the impact these townie players are having; it's possible to have terrible reads while still being super townie, so people like that would be a priority when choosing who to send to heaven.
However, should someone tend to be very accurate in identifying scum while also being very townie, I think it's a good idea to keep them around and only send them to heaven when we aren't sure who to send/when we're in a near-lylo situation.

as to who we would send instead, I don't really know. That's why I wanted to bring the point up for discussion.

I mean there's a distinction between helpful people and townie people.

I guess I see your point in that we should prioritize townie people, but I don't think it's worth the risk of sending scummy people up just to keep the helpful people around.

If we can send a townie person without drastically lowering game quality, I'm all for it, but if we have to send someone who's somewhat feasibly scum, I don't think it's worth it.

I agree with Howie here, despite his lackluster face. I understand the rationale Galea is using but it's situational and something it's easier to analyze Day 2. You propose that we send people who are townie but have inaccurate reads, to which I ask how will we know if their reads are accurate or not?

I understand that you want to consider the impact a player is happening, but it's difficult I think to gauge that impact during the game.

Howie M. wrote:Woah game is slow.

I mean the towniest person is often the option we're sure of so like, your proposal makes kinda no sense.

Unless you mean something along the lines of like "Send the second towniest" or some shit in which case that's just... long-winded.

Man the people need to get in and RVS man, PSAnon games aren't supposed to be dead

Also Howie, I feel like I should mention this just for the purpose of being complete in my thoughts. Games in general shouldn't be dead, but people simply coming in, RVSing, and leaving doesn't help to revitalize them. What usually helps is some form of discussion (which we now have!).

Howie M. wrote:I mean there's a distinction between helpful people and townie people.

I guess I see your point in that we should prioritize townie people, but I don't think it's worth the risk of sending scummy people up just to keep the helpful people around.

If we can send a townie person without drastically lowering game quality, I'm all for it, but if we have to send someone who's somewhat feasibly scum, I don't think it's worth it.

Madam Muchmoney wrote:I agree with Howie here, despite his lackluster face. I understand the rationale Galea is using but it's situational and something it's easier to analyze Day 2. You propose that we send people who are townie but have inaccurate reads, to which I ask how will we know if their reads are accurate or not?

I understand that you want to consider the impact a player is happening, but it's difficult I think to gauge that impact during the game.

I think you both bring up good points. I suppose the strategy I was talking about is something we could do later, since we don't really have a lot to work off of right now.

Evaluating the utility of a player is a bit difficult too; especially when there are only three of us talking. As to gauging the impact of each player, I agree with MM that that's going to be something we can do later on in the game.

AJ, could you give us a votes thing + who has plurality right now?

@other people: what are some strategies for figuring out the people we want to send to heaven each week, if you can think of any? What do you think of the strategy I proposed (take note of Howie & MM's suggestions, e.g. using the system later and not sending a completely suboptimal choice over a good one as well)

When it comes to sending people to hell I think normal scumhunting strategy is fine, unless you guys have any other ideas.

Votecount 1.2
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Isis A.(1)- Howie M.
Howie M.(1)- Madam Muchmoney
Madam Muchmoney(1)- Pete S.
Charlene W.(1)- Galea R.
Autumn F.(1)- Isis A.
Galea R.(0)-
Master Fisherman(0)-
Pete S.(0)-
Rory M.(0)-
Not Voting(4)- Autumn F., Charlene W., Master Fisherman, Rory M.
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There are 9 alive so it takes 5 to hammer. Plurality applies.
Deadline is Tuesday the 10th at 9pm EST.

If the deadline was now, Isis A. would be lynched.

autumn - Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:28 pm
charlene - Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:39 am
isis - Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:37 pm
master fisherman - Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:44 pm
pete - Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:51 pm
rory - Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:13 pm
^last time visited

autumn came on almost a day after her last post and then did nothing
its not much to go off of but its better than anything else i've seen so far lol
Unlynch Charlene, Lynch Autumn

aj can you go ahead and harass the 6 in my post and tell them to get on here
its entirely possible that they've forgotten this existed

Very tempted to extend and so I can tell people to post. Thoughts?

its a yes from me

I think interactions are going to be the primary scumhunting method for this, especially considering that scum will be revealed regardless of if they are sent to heaven as well. What that says to me is that it's very dangerous for scum to push their partners in either direction, since we only need to send two of them to hell to win and scum making themselves an obvious partner to scum who was sent to heaven could keep them from getting another member sent.

I think the best way to think of this is like a White Flag setup, where scum loses upon being down to one member. Or maybe the Black Flag one, since scum can also win more easily.

I'll put this link here for some light reading, I think it better highlights what I'm trying to say: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=White_Flag_Gambit

Galea R. wrote:autumn - Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:28 pm
charlene - Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:39 am
isis - Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:37 pm
master fisherman - Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:44 pm
pete - Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:51 pm
rory - Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:13 pm
^last time visited

autumn came on almost a day after her last post and then did nothing
its not much to go off of but its better than anything else i've seen so far lol
Unlynch Charlene, Lynch Autumn

Are you jealous too? Does no one in this town understand our relationship?

Anyway, you made your first proposal at Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:38 pm, so none of those people have had the chance to see it I think. I do realize you lynched Autumn for another reason though, and I will join you in bringing some pressure to people. I mention having a problem with people who RVS and do nothing else, which is right now Isis and Pete, and Pete at the very least came back after his RVS to see if something had come up to discuss, so I will

Unlynch Howie M. and Lynch Isis A.

ajhockeystar wrote:Very tempted to extend and so I can tell people to post. Thoughts?

Yes! Please do this!