Game 19: Star-Crossed

JUST A COUPLE QUICK THINGS BEFORE I GO BACK INTO MY CAVE TO MAKE THE HUGEASS POST ON LARA (WHY DO YOU HAVE SO MANY POSTS JEEZ)

MATEO, MISATO - POST MORE PLS TY
LARA - FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET SOME GOOD LOGIC AND STOP OMGUSING PEOPLE
FORREST - AS MUCH AS THIS IS CONTRADICTORY TO WHAT I JUST SAID FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP TUNNELING LARA AND GIVE READS ON LITERALLY EVERYONE IN THE GAME OR IM ASSUMING UR SCUM AND IM LYNCHING YOU

Katie P. wrote:tl;dr of last 2 post

There has been some huge buddying between Clark and Sylvester.

Forrest has done nothing but get angry about being lynched and Filler

Lara, Yosuke, Sylvester, and Mateo are all giving townie posts

Misato or whatever she is called hasn't done much at all, says busy but we will see later in game

Sylvester is talking in 3rd person alot when he isnt giving good townie posts

You suck D has the best name ever and seems like a troll who is good at mafia. (aha i think i know who Yosuke is)

Clark is lurking like hell

Reads in order of Mafia->Towny (based off of their posts alone)

Clark, Forrest, Misato, Sylvester, Lara, Mateo, Yosuke


Reads in order of Mafia->Towny (based on buddying plus the above reads)

Clark, Sylvester, Misato, Forrest, Lara, Yosuke, Mateo


a few theorys

Sylvester is a rather experienced player who is good at mafia, who is mafia in this theme. Unfortunately, he has a noobish partner who is defending him. (clark)

Sylvester is actually town. Clark is mafia with forrest gump and is for some reason buddying with sylvester.

Neither are town. Forrest gump and somebody else are mafia

this IS infact victor+moe 2.0 and say, Yosuke and Lara are mafia.

i think we should lynch Clark today. He hasnt done a thing to help town so it wont hurt much if they are town

JUST REQUOTING THIS BECAUSE KATIE WAS SPOT ON WITH HER CLARK AS MAFIA PREDICTION AND SOME OF THE STUFF IN HERE MAY BE WORTH LOOKING AT

Yosuke D. wrote:

Mateo P. wrote:okay sorry didn't really have time past few days I'll write some more later but gonna put some quick thoughts out here:

clark: how do u even read people that dont ever talk its literally impossible and extremely annoying. lurk =/= scum but it also hurts town a lot so im inclined to think you are indeed scum but at the same time its hard to base suspicion on you solely based off of inactivity

misato o: see above ^

lara c: okay ive said this before but inactives r annoying asf. however, because we have no actual reads its rlly hard to justify lynching clark. maybe id consider pushing a lynch if we had a mislynch but because we are in mylo, im gonna say im against lynching an inactive however useless he has been

yosuke: can u clear somthing up? what made u think i was confirmed town? i mean in your first reply to my first post that actually was serious you said it wasn't very productive. theres seems to be a blank space between that post and posts you made a page later where you said i was useful to town. ???? what caused the sudden change in opinion and why did it make me confirmed town in ur eyes?????????????????

katie: am sorry for lynching u but it is what it is. btw katie perry is ugly and cant sing haha!

forrest: im honestly lost here but what r ur thoughts on everyone else. uve literally been only tunneling and talking bout ms croft the entire game. youve said little about anyone else. also you said you thought katie was the scum yet you didn't lynch her?
??
???????????????????

sylvester: rip ur math is still bad tho

HERE ARE SOME PRETTY GOOD POINTS BROUGHT UP IN THE READSLIST  - WHICH WAS UNPROMPTED, ANOTHER GOOD THING....
AND LARA, WHY IN THE HECK DID YOU LOOK AT THIS AND NOT SEE IT AS A PUSH TO UNLYNCH CLARK????
??????
?????????????

To be totally honest, I actually didn't see that post. My bad. I do agree with you that Mateo has played extraordinarily townie in that he has made unprompted leads. Yosuke, what you said about Katie calling Clark out as scum - in her reads list based on posts alone, she has Clark at #1 (duh) and what do you know, Forrest at #2.

I DID IN FACT
NOTICE THAT
IM JUST HIGHLIGHTING IT BECAUSE IT WAS KATIE'S MOST USEFUL POST IN THE GAME SO ITD BE WORTH LOOKING AT

ALSO AT THAT POINT IN TIME FORREST HADNT ACTUALLY DONE ANYTHING USEFUL SO ITS A WEE BIT DIFFERENT NOW

Yosuke D. wrote:I DID IN FACT
NOTICE THAT
IM JUST HIGHLIGHTING IT BECAUSE IT WAS KATIE'S MOST USEFUL POST IN THE GAME SO ITD BE WORTH LOOKING AT

ALSO AT THAT POINT IN TIME FORREST HADNT ACTUALLY DONE ANYTHING USEFUL SO ITS A WEE BIT DIFFERENT NOW

Let me posit this: Has he done anything useful now, however? Also, scumreads on a player's sub out or early game SHOULD NOT be affected by the sub in's actions. If Forrest #1 was seen as scum, the sub out into Forrest #2 does not suddenly wipe "Forrest's" slate clean of scumminess. I hold my lynch.

THATS FAIR AND I UNDERSTAND THE POINT YOU MADE BEFOREHAND BUT IM SAYING THAT FORREST TWO WAS PRETTY TOWNIE WHICH CHANGES MY OPINION ON HIM

SO MANY POSTS
WHYYYY

Lara C. wrote:Lynch Sylvester S.

Honestly, you shouldn't need math to scumhunt. It should be entirely based on tells, and it seems to me like the number of teits assigned is relatively arbitrary based upon however scummy you personally think an action is. So to me, something like a freudian slip would be worth 5 or 6 teits but to everyone else it may be worth only 2. SO I think math is the wrong way to go, and you bringing it in is trying to draw our attention away from actual scumtells and reads that could find a scum BEFORE they manage to kill us.

LARA ALSO IS AGAINST THE IDEA AND SHE PROVIDES SOME PRETTY GOOD REASONING AS TO WHY, NOTHING ELSE THATS REALLY IMPORTANT HERE.

Lara C. wrote:

Katie P. wrote:Suprise suprise, good old me being FOSed already
I dont have much to say rn, but we will say as the game progresses

My FOS on you is probably the slightest FoS possible. It's Day 1, so town is scrambling to pick up on anything. Because other people have so few posts, I'm going off just what I already have, so right now I FoS you above all else. Are you mafia? No, probably not, but until we get more posts you're the closest to it fmpov.

THIS IS REALLY ANGRY/DEFENSIVE (I DONT HAVE THE EXACT WORD IN MIND BUT YOU GET WHAT IM SAYING) AND I REALLY SEE NO REASON FOR IT TO BE SO THATS KINDA STRANGE

Lara C. wrote:While I follow the logic on pushing NL, this isn't classic. Mafia won't necessarily kill tonight, so we can lynch without fear of coming closer to MyLo/LyLo tomorrow. In fact, Even in 2v4 at day, we can probably still mislynch and win the game (although the odds are 33/67)

NOW THAT I LOOK BACK AT IT, I SEE LARA POSSIBLY (POSSIBLY) SETTING UP EARLY TO MAKE A MYLO LYNCH
THIS IS MOST LIKELY JUST ME SEEING THIS EX POST FACTO THOUGH

Lara C. wrote:

Misato O. wrote:No lynch

So basically, I don't trust the concept of "LOL THEY WON'T GET THE KILL THROUGH, LETS LYNCH" On mylo.

Buuutttt, It's not mylo. I think we should nl today, since we have very little info, and lynch tomorrow or the next day.

I'm not saying use it as a strat - I'm saying it's possible. You will have to lynch on MyLo though, because if you NL, mafia gets kill and it turns into LyLo - or they don't get the kill and it remains in MyLo.


I disagree with NLing today, just because I think we could get some information based on reads/etc, but I'm fairly impartial right now.

Unlynch Sylvester S, No Lynch

I STILL DONT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN DISAGREE WITH NLING AND THEN SUBSQUENTLY... NL
LIKE WAT

Lara C. wrote:
Reading through this, and reading that end paragraph, I'm really, REALLY starting to think you're scummy. Also, the town softing kills and not dying for them=confirm is invalid, I already talked to AJ about it. With your very last sentence, Slight FOS on Katie and Lara for being in LarKaVester is the stupidest thing I've seen this fame so far. You're saying we're more likely to be scum because we're members of a list you grouped us in, based solely on how we posted day 1, followed by nobody dying in a game where the chance of a death is 1/36, far lower than if one or both of us had been scum. Also, please, try to actually scumhunt instead of using math - arbitrary numbering of people's human, illogical actions will not help us win.

Time to explain my "convoluted" lynch list.

SIMILAR TO ONE OF MATEO'S POSTS AT SOME POINT IN THE GAME, LOGICAL AND WELL-THOUGHT OUT, POINTING OUT THE ERRORS IN SYLVESTER'S POST (I SERIOUSLY HAVE NO IDEA WHY HE DIED, CMON MAFIA) ALTHOUGH I THINK ITS INTERESTING THAT LARA ASKED AJ ABOUT THAT BEFORE MAKING THE POST (NOT SURE HOW FAR BEFORE IT WAS, ALTHOUGH ITS PROBABLY NOT TO IMPORTANT)

Lara C. wrote:

Lara C. wrote:

Mateo is #1 on my lynch list because of the fact that he just has that sole post;

Katie as a weak case is just that  - there wasn't much else I could do casewise;

Sylvester gets 3 because he's trying at least, but in a way that isn't townie;

Yosuke obviously needed a sub, so let's chalk her #4 spot up to lurk/inactivity;

Misato is #5 because she offered up great ideas, that while I don't necessarily agree with them, are town-lead-y in a way, so again, at least she's trying;

I do agree that Forrest should have been much higher than I put him - I simply skimmed posts when making my list. After rereading, he should definitely be at 2 or 3;

Clark, again, not much to go off of, but seemed pretty town from what he's posted so far;

And of course me. So right now, I'd be all for lynching Mateo or Forrest.

Another comment on this - I hate to bring showdown meta into this, but Forrest's playstyle and need to be sub match a certain player's (@ajhockeystar can I say the username??), and his follow and give-up attitude is pretty common when playing as mafia. Not an actual read, just a comment.

NOTING RIGHT HERE THAT CLARK IS BELOW MISATO ON THE LIST HERE, AND THAT WHAT HE'S POSTED WAS "PRETTY TOWN", MEANING THAT THE 1 (2?) POST(S) HE MADE BETWEEN THIS AND HIS LYNCH CHANGED LARA'S MIND, APPARENTLY.

Lara C. wrote:Alright.

Infer kiddies - the playstyle is very similar to that of F-oh-ex, where he'll be mafia and without any way of trying to "hunt" for scum townies, will flounder about - hell, we'll all do it in Vanilla, so why not here? The floundering strategy is very reminiscent of the way we all play as mafia goon in Vanilla games - and this theme is very, very much a vanilla theme.

HONESTLY A FAIR POINT, ALTHOUGH I THINK ITS A BIT EXAGGERATED - FORREST 1 PROBABLY JUST LEFT/WAS SUBBED BECAUSE HE HAD NO INTEREST IN THE GAME

Lara C. wrote:Katie and Clark are the scum team.

Hear me out:

Katie is trying to move the lynch off of Sylvester with the Forrest lynch, correct? Any random lynch like that to shift plurality from someone, with no reasoning given, is typically considered scummy.

So I think, if Katie is scum, that means Sylvester is scum as well, because Katie is trying to avoid getting him lynched.

However, maybe Katie is trying to keep Sylvester alive because he's an easier lynch later in game. If this is the case, little Clark the lurker who obviously still her becomes incredibly scummy to me - why be definitely here but do nothing at all to help town?

THIS WAS NEAR THE END OF DAY 2 I BELIEVE WHEREAS THE POST WHERE SHE CALLED CLARK'S POSTS TOWNY WERE AT THE START OF DAY 2? CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG
BUT YEAH, ITS A PRETTY SUDDEN SHIFT, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING NEITHER MISATO NOR CLARK POSTED BETWEEN THIS (AGAIN, CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG THIS IS OFF OF MEMORY) SO I THINK THIS MIGHT JUST BE A BUS/ A PROD TO CLARK TO BE ACTIVE AGAIN. NOT SURE, BUT ITS A POSSIBILITY.

Lara C. wrote:So the Katie+Clark team isn't because of their interactions, it's because of my scumreads on each.

Katie is scummy because of her lynch on Forrest, and the logic that Mateo posted about it (go read his thing);

Clark because of his high inactivity and bandwagoning. He's also NLing because there's a higher chance of getting a VT killed at night than avoiding one of the mafia being lynched during day (1/25 times VT dies at night, assuming a random player is picked by each mafia, versus 2/7 chance a mafia gets lynched) so he may be trying to get safer odds.

AND HERE SHE'S BACKPEDALING, ALTHOUGH IT COULD HAVE JUST BEEN DUE TO HER WORDING HER ORIGINAL POST BADLY/OTHERS MISINTERPRETING IT.

Lara C. wrote:

Yosuke D. wrote:

Lara C. wrote:So the Katie+Clark team isn't because of their interactions, it's because of my scumreads on each.

Katie is scummy because of her lynch on Forrest, and the logic that Mateo posted about it (go read his thing);

Clark because of his high inactivity and bandwagoning. He's also NLing because there's a higher chance of getting a VT killed at night than avoiding one of the mafia being lynched during day (1/25 times VT dies at night, assuming a random player is picked by each mafia, versus 2/7 chance a mafia gets lynched) so he may be trying to get safer odds.

WHY DID YOU NOT SAY THAT AT FIRST? IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE BACKTRACKING NOW.

It looks like backtracking because it is - I didn't think about the way my first post calling out Katie and Clark was written. Here's my reasoning behind it, plus they seem to be actively avoiding making comments on one another.

WELL YEAH SHE KINDA ADMITS TO BACKPEDALING HERE, ALTHOUGH SHE'S TRYING TO LINK THEM TOGETHER NOW?
LETS BE REAL, CLARK DIDNT POST ANYTHING AND KATIE DIDNT REALLY MAKE COMMENTS ON ANYONE UNTIL SHE WAS ABOUT TO BE LYNCHED SO THE POINT HERE SEEMS VERY...FORCED.

Lara C. wrote:For reasons already stated, combined with Katie's angry defense:

Unlynch NL Lynch Katie Perry

THERE WASNT EVEN AN ANGRY DEFENSE HERE SO IM NOT SURE WHAT THIS IS

Lara C. wrote:

Forrest G. wrote:

Lara C. wrote:

Forrest G. wrote:^ Either that or I need help.

Uhh...yeah framing. You didn't take into account the fact that mafia obviously realized this because it was stated so many times and framed me.

"Framing"

Obvious mafia excuse jsyk.

Really? Because in this case it's totally valid. You and Sylvester are the only ones that brought up his death meaning I'm a likely scum - combine that with his death, and the fact that there's NOBODY I've buddied with, and we have a case of the frame. Who would my partners be?

SAYING "WHO WOULD MY PARTNERS BE?" IS SO INCREDIBLY DUMB BECAUSE SOME MAFIA TRY TO PREVENT THEMSELVES FROM BEING LINKED TO ANYONE BY BEING INCREDIBLY NEUTRAL, THUS MAKING IT SO THAT IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE FOR ANYONE TO BE THEIR PARTNER

Lara C. wrote:

Forrest G. wrote:

Lara C. wrote:40% with a higher chance of failure by quickhammer odds versus 33% odds with a lower chance of failure by quickhammer

uh wat

2/5 chance of lynching scum on LyLo, but we have a higher chance of them quickhammering and ruining us. Versus lynching today, on MyLo, where we have 2/6 odds to lynch scum, but there's less of a chance of failure due to quickhammer.

AS DISCUSSED BEFORE, WHY ARE YOU USING MATH? THERE IS ACTUALLY A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOSING SOMEONE USEFUL AND LOSING SOMEONE WHO ISNT AS USEFUL TO TOWN, SINCE THE NIGHTKILL WILL PROBABLY BE ON SOMEONE WHO WASNT GOING TO BE LYNCHED ANYWAYS

Lara C. wrote:Unlynch Forrest Gumpers, Lynch Yosuke D.

Just for rn. Your push for me to switch lynches at the end of the day yesterday with no reasoning, along with not trusting me and not remembering that you as mafia is a possibility, is making you seem extraordinarily scummy.

JUST QUOTING THIS BECAUSE LARA DIDNT REALLY RESPOND TO ANY POINTS WHEN I BROUGHT THEM UP AND AFTER I COUNTERED EACH ONE SHE KINDA SEGWAYED HER LYNCH ONTO FORREST (ALTHOUGH IVE GOTTA ADMIT HE MADE IT VERY CONVENIENT BY TUNNELING ONTO HER AND BEING KINDA SCUMMY IN GENERAL)

Yosuke D. wrote:

Lara C. wrote:

Yosuke D. wrote:

Lara C. wrote:

LARA C. wrote:
I have nothing NEW to scumhunt off of right now. Your actions have been scummy, and I've already given reasoning on Forrest 1 and Forrest 2, as well as mild reads on Mateo. I recognize it wasn't a "push" on me per se, but it was a push away from Clark, covered up by asking (I forget who it was oops) to hop off me. I still have you at the top of my scum list and Misato at the bottom, with Forrest and Mateo jumbled in the middle.

Me hopping somewhat off of you for asking for the unlynch. It could also have been in attempt to let mafia (you and Clark) to get off a kill.

AGAIN, PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THIS IS A PUSH ON CLARK WHEN I DID NOT AT ALL ASK FOR AN UNLYNCH AND WHEN I GAVE NO SPECIAL MENTION TO EITHER CLARK OR YOURSELF

I didn't say it was a push on Clark?

PUSH AWAY FROM CLARK, I FAILED TO QUOTE YOU CORRECTLY

YOU NEVER ANSWERED THAT ONE

Lara C. wrote:

Forrest G. wrote:Well you could have lynched Clark knowing that he was inactive and that he wouldn't be of much help to mafia anyway. And since it was Pmylo you were afraid that if you nl'ed after a town lynch then clark wouldn't choose the same person as you.
So, you could have lynched clark and make you look more clear.

So what you're saying is I'd be the only person lynching my partner in a bus kill in a theme with no power roles where mafia has a chance to kill every night. I could MAYBE understand if someone else was already on Clark, but really.

What are you doing, Forrest, come on.

I MEAN ITS BEEN STATED THAT YOU COULD STILL BE SCUM AND FORREST MOSTLY RESTATED WHAT MATEO HAS ALREADY SAID
ITS AN ENTIRELY VALID POSSIBILITY
WHAT ARE YOU DOING, LARA, COME ON

CONCLUSION: LARA IS BASICALLY THE OPPOSITE OF FORREST IN THE SENSE THAT SHE HAS BECOME SCUMMIER AND SCUMMIER AS WE HAVE GONE DEEPER INTO THE GAME. THE ONLY REAL THING THAT IS PREVENTING ME FROM LYNCHING HER RIGHT NOW IS THE FACT THAT SHE LYNCHED CLARK, WHO WAS SCUM, AND THATS CONFUSING ME AND MAKING ME THINK SHE COULD JUST BE A REALLY SCUMMY TOWN

AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW FROM TOWN ---> SCUM I SEE IT AS:

MISATO ---> MATEO ---> LARA/FORREST

ALSO IF I PUT IN ALL OF THIS EFFORT FOR NOTHING AND NONE OF YOU ALL READ AND THINK ABOUT WHAT I JUST WROTE ILL BE VERY MAD
I CANT ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING TO YOU GUYS BUT I WILL BE VERY MAD AT YOU SO READ WHAT I WROTE KTHX

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Idek anymore, man. Lara seems so scummy but then she doesn't. And I feel like she's gonna end up being scum and Imma be like "DAFAQ AJ WTH /me slits wrists"

And the only desperate one here is you, Lara. Lynching me is bad.

Yosuke

I believe in myself. I have the potential to lead town to victory!!!

By the way, correct me if I'm wrong but if there's only one mafia, then there is a NK every night no matter what. So that could be an advantage as well.

THIS IS TRUE BUT HONESTLY THE NK IS GOING TO BE SOMEONE EVERYONE SEES AS TOWN AT THIS POINT SO I DOUBT THERE IS ANY USE IN NLING
FORREST FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CREATE A READSLIST OR ANALYZE SOME POSTS OR I LITERALLY WILL LYNCH YOU AND NOT EVEN BE MAD IF YOU'RE TOWN

Votecount 4.2
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Forrest G.(1)- Lara C.
Yosuke D.(0)-
Lara C.(0)-
Misato O.(0)-
Mateo P.(0)-
Not Voting(4)- Misato O., Mateo P., Forrest G., Yosuke D.
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There are 5 alive so it takes 3 to hammer. Plurality applies.
Deadline is Wednesday the 2nd at 9pm EST.
If the deadline was now, Forrest G. would be lynched.

Yosuke D. wrote:THIS IS TRUE BUT HONESTLY THE NK IS GOING TO BE SOMEONE EVERYONE SEES AS TOWN AT THIS POINT SO I DOUBT THERE IS ANY USE IN NLING
FORREST FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CREATE A READSLIST OR ANALYZE SOME POSTS OR I LITERALLY WILL LYNCH YOU AND NOT EVEN BE MAD IF YOU'RE TOWN

So who would you propose we lynch right now?

Yosuke D. wrote:SO MANY POSTS
WHYYYY

Lara C. wrote:Lynch Sylvester S.

Honestly, you shouldn't need math to scumhunt. It should be entirely based on tells, and it seems to me like the number of teits assigned is relatively arbitrary based upon however scummy you personally think an action is. So to me, something like a freudian slip would be worth 5 or 6 teits but to everyone else it may be worth only 2. SO I think math is the wrong way to go, and you bringing it in is trying to draw our attention away from actual scumtells and reads that could find a scum BEFORE they manage to kill us.

LARA ALSO IS AGAINST THE IDEA AND SHE PROVIDES SOME PRETTY GOOD REASONING AS TO WHY, NOTHING ELSE THATS REALLY IMPORTANT HERE.

Lara C. wrote:

Katie P. wrote:Suprise suprise, good old me being FOSed already
I dont have much to say rn, but we will say as the game progresses

My FOS on you is probably the slightest FoS possible. It's Day 1, so town is scrambling to pick up on anything. Because other people have so few posts, I'm going off just what I already have, so right now I FoS you above all else. Are you mafia? No, probably not, but until we get more posts you're the closest to it fmpov.

THIS IS REALLY ANGRY/DEFENSIVE (I DONT HAVE THE EXACT WORD IN MIND BUT YOU GET WHAT IM SAYING) AND I REALLY SEE NO REASON FOR IT TO BE SO THATS KINDA STRANGE

Lara C. wrote:While I follow the logic on pushing NL, this isn't classic. Mafia won't necessarily kill tonight, so we can lynch without fear of coming closer to MyLo/LyLo tomorrow. In fact, Even in 2v4 at day, we can probably still mislynch and win the game (although the odds are 33/67)

NOW THAT I LOOK BACK AT IT, I SEE LARA POSSIBLY (POSSIBLY) SETTING UP EARLY TO MAKE A MYLO LYNCH
THIS IS MOST LIKELY JUST ME SEEING THIS EX POST FACTO THOUGH

Lara C. wrote:

Misato O. wrote:No lynch

So basically, I don't trust the concept of "LOL THEY WON'T GET THE KILL THROUGH, LETS LYNCH" On mylo.

Buuutttt, It's not mylo. I think we should nl today, since we have very little info, and lynch tomorrow or the next day.

I'm not saying use it as a strat - I'm saying it's possible. You will have to lynch on MyLo though, because if you NL, mafia gets kill and it turns into LyLo - or they don't get the kill and it remains in MyLo.


I disagree with NLing today, just because I think we could get some information based on reads/etc, but I'm fairly impartial right now.

Unlynch Sylvester S, No Lynch

I STILL DONT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN DISAGREE WITH NLING AND THEN SUBSQUENTLY... NL
LIKE WAT

Lara C. wrote:
Reading through this, and reading that end paragraph, I'm really, REALLY starting to think you're scummy. Also, the town softing kills and not dying for them=confirm is invalid, I already talked to AJ about it. With your very last sentence, Slight FOS on Katie and Lara for being in LarKaVester is the stupidest thing I've seen this fame so far. You're saying we're more likely to be scum because we're members of a list you grouped us in, based solely on how we posted day 1, followed by nobody dying in a game where the chance of a death is 1/36, far lower than if one or both of us had been scum. Also, please, try to actually scumhunt instead of using math - arbitrary numbering of people's human, illogical actions will not help us win.

Time to explain my "convoluted" lynch list.

SIMILAR TO ONE OF MATEO'S POSTS AT SOME POINT IN THE GAME, LOGICAL AND WELL-THOUGHT OUT, POINTING OUT THE ERRORS IN SYLVESTER'S POST (I SERIOUSLY HAVE NO IDEA WHY HE DIED, CMON MAFIA) ALTHOUGH I THINK ITS INTERESTING THAT LARA ASKED AJ ABOUT THAT BEFORE MAKING THE POST (NOT SURE HOW FAR BEFORE IT WAS, ALTHOUGH ITS PROBABLY NOT TO IMPORTANT)

Lara C. wrote:

Lara C. wrote:

Mateo is #1 on my lynch list because of the fact that he just has that sole post;

Katie as a weak case is just that  - there wasn't much else I could do casewise;

Sylvester gets 3 because he's trying at least, but in a way that isn't townie;

Yosuke obviously needed a sub, so let's chalk her #4 spot up to lurk/inactivity;

Misato is #5 because she offered up great ideas, that while I don't necessarily agree with them, are town-lead-y in a way, so again, at least she's trying;

I do agree that Forrest should have been much higher than I put him - I simply skimmed posts when making my list. After rereading, he should definitely be at 2 or 3;

Clark, again, not much to go off of, but seemed pretty town from what he's posted so far;

And of course me. So right now, I'd be all for lynching Mateo or Forrest.

Another comment on this - I hate to bring showdown meta into this, but Forrest's playstyle and need to be sub match a certain player's (@ajhockeystar can I say the username??), and his follow and give-up attitude is pretty common when playing as mafia. Not an actual read, just a comment.

NOTING RIGHT HERE THAT CLARK IS BELOW MISATO ON THE LIST HERE, AND THAT WHAT HE'S POSTED WAS "PRETTY TOWN", MEANING THAT THE 1 (2?) POST(S) HE MADE BETWEEN THIS AND HIS LYNCH CHANGED LARA'S MIND, APPARENTLY.

Lara C. wrote:Alright.

Infer kiddies - the playstyle is very similar to that of F-oh-ex, where he'll be mafia and without any way of trying to "hunt" for scum townies, will flounder about - hell, we'll all do it in Vanilla, so why not here? The floundering strategy is very reminiscent of the way we all play as mafia goon in Vanilla games - and this theme is very, very much a vanilla theme.

HONESTLY A FAIR POINT, ALTHOUGH I THINK ITS A BIT EXAGGERATED - FORREST 1 PROBABLY JUST LEFT/WAS SUBBED BECAUSE HE HAD NO INTEREST IN THE GAME

Lara C. wrote:Katie and Clark are the scum team.

Hear me out:

Katie is trying to move the lynch off of Sylvester with the Forrest lynch, correct? Any random lynch like that to shift plurality from someone, with no reasoning given, is typically considered scummy.

So I think, if Katie is scum, that means Sylvester is scum as well, because Katie is trying to avoid getting him lynched.

However, maybe Katie is trying to keep Sylvester alive because he's an easier lynch later in game. If this is the case, little Clark the lurker who obviously still her becomes incredibly scummy to me - why be definitely here but do nothing at all to help town?

THIS WAS NEAR THE END OF DAY 2 I BELIEVE WHEREAS THE POST WHERE SHE CALLED CLARK'S POSTS TOWNY WERE AT THE START OF DAY 2? CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG
BUT YEAH, ITS A PRETTY SUDDEN SHIFT, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING NEITHER MISATO NOR CLARK POSTED BETWEEN THIS (AGAIN, CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG THIS IS OFF OF MEMORY) SO I THINK THIS MIGHT JUST BE A BUS/ A PROD TO CLARK TO BE ACTIVE AGAIN. NOT SURE, BUT ITS A POSSIBILITY.

Lara C. wrote:So the Katie+Clark team isn't because of their interactions, it's because of my scumreads on each.

Katie is scummy because of her lynch on Forrest, and the logic that Mateo posted about it (go read his thing);

Clark because of his high inactivity and bandwagoning. He's also NLing because there's a higher chance of getting a VT killed at night than avoiding one of the mafia being lynched during day (1/25 times VT dies at night, assuming a random player is picked by each mafia, versus 2/7 chance a mafia gets lynched) so he may be trying to get safer odds.

AND HERE SHE'S BACKPEDALING, ALTHOUGH IT COULD HAVE JUST BEEN DUE TO HER WORDING HER ORIGINAL POST BADLY/OTHERS MISINTERPRETING IT.

Lara C. wrote:

Yosuke D. wrote:

Lara C. wrote:So the Katie+Clark team isn't because of their interactions, it's because of my scumreads on each.

Katie is scummy because of her lynch on Forrest, and the logic that Mateo posted about it (go read his thing);

Clark because of his high inactivity and bandwagoning. He's also NLing because there's a higher chance of getting a VT killed at night than avoiding one of the mafia being lynched during day (1/25 times VT dies at night, assuming a random player is picked by each mafia, versus 2/7 chance a mafia gets lynched) so he may be trying to get safer odds.

WHY DID YOU NOT SAY THAT AT FIRST? IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE BACKTRACKING NOW.

It looks like backtracking because it is - I didn't think about the way my first post calling out Katie and Clark was written. Here's my reasoning behind it, plus they seem to be actively avoiding making comments on one another.

WELL YEAH SHE KINDA ADMITS TO BACKPEDALING HERE, ALTHOUGH SHE'S TRYING TO LINK THEM TOGETHER NOW?
LETS BE REAL, CLARK DIDNT POST ANYTHING AND KATIE DIDNT REALLY MAKE COMMENTS ON ANYONE UNTIL SHE WAS ABOUT TO BE LYNCHED SO THE POINT HERE SEEMS VERY...FORCED.

Lara C. wrote:For reasons already stated, combined with Katie's angry defense:

Unlynch NL Lynch Katie Perry

THERE WASNT EVEN AN ANGRY DEFENSE HERE SO IM NOT SURE WHAT THIS IS

Lara C. wrote:

Forrest G. wrote:

Lara C. wrote:

Forrest G. wrote:^ Either that or I need help.

Uhh...yeah framing. You didn't take into account the fact that mafia obviously realized this because it was stated so many times and framed me.

"Framing"

Obvious mafia excuse jsyk.

Really? Because in this case it's totally valid. You and Sylvester are the only ones that brought up his death meaning I'm a likely scum - combine that with his death, and the fact that there's NOBODY I've buddied with, and we have a case of the frame. Who would my partners be?

SAYING "WHO WOULD MY PARTNERS BE?" IS SO INCREDIBLY DUMB BECAUSE SOME MAFIA TRY TO PREVENT THEMSELVES FROM BEING LINKED TO ANYONE BY BEING INCREDIBLY NEUTRAL, THUS MAKING IT SO THAT IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE FOR ANYONE TO BE THEIR PARTNER

Lara C. wrote:

Forrest G. wrote:

Lara C. wrote:40% with a higher chance of failure by quickhammer odds versus 33% odds with a lower chance of failure by quickhammer

uh wat

2/5 chance of lynching scum on LyLo, but we have a higher chance of them quickhammering and ruining us. Versus lynching today, on MyLo, where we have 2/6 odds to lynch scum, but there's less of a chance of failure due to quickhammer.

AS DISCUSSED BEFORE, WHY ARE YOU USING MATH? THERE IS ACTUALLY A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOSING SOMEONE USEFUL AND LOSING SOMEONE WHO ISNT AS USEFUL TO TOWN, SINCE THE NIGHTKILL WILL PROBABLY BE ON SOMEONE WHO WASNT GOING TO BE LYNCHED ANYWAYS

Lara C. wrote:Unlynch Forrest Gumpers, Lynch Yosuke D.

Just for rn. Your push for me to switch lynches at the end of the day yesterday with no reasoning, along with not trusting me and not remembering that you as mafia is a possibility, is making you seem extraordinarily scummy.

JUST QUOTING THIS BECAUSE LARA DIDNT REALLY RESPOND TO ANY POINTS WHEN I BROUGHT THEM UP AND AFTER I COUNTERED EACH ONE SHE KINDA SEGWAYED HER LYNCH ONTO FORREST (ALTHOUGH IVE GOTTA ADMIT HE MADE IT VERY CONVENIENT BY TUNNELING ONTO HER AND BEING KINDA SCUMMY IN GENERAL)

Yosuke D. wrote:

Lara C. wrote:

Yosuke D. wrote:

Lara C. wrote:

LARA C. wrote:
I have nothing NEW to scumhunt off of right now. Your actions have been scummy, and I've already given reasoning on Forrest 1 and Forrest 2, as well as mild reads on Mateo. I recognize it wasn't a "push" on me per se, but it was a push away from Clark, covered up by asking (I forget who it was oops) to hop off me. I still have you at the top of my scum list and Misato at the bottom, with Forrest and Mateo jumbled in the middle.

Me hopping somewhat off of you for asking for the unlynch. It could also have been in attempt to let mafia (you and Clark) to get off a kill.

AGAIN, PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THIS IS A PUSH ON CLARK WHEN I DID NOT AT ALL ASK FOR AN UNLYNCH AND WHEN I GAVE NO SPECIAL MENTION TO EITHER CLARK OR YOURSELF

I didn't say it was a push on Clark?

PUSH AWAY FROM CLARK, I FAILED TO QUOTE YOU CORRECTLY

YOU NEVER ANSWERED THAT ONE

Lara C. wrote:

Forrest G. wrote:Well you could have lynched Clark knowing that he was inactive and that he wouldn't be of much help to mafia anyway. And since it was Pmylo you were afraid that if you nl'ed after a town lynch then clark wouldn't choose the same person as you.
So, you could have lynched clark and make you look more clear.

So what you're saying is I'd be the only person lynching my partner in a bus kill in a theme with no power roles where mafia has a chance to kill every night. I could MAYBE understand if someone else was already on Clark, but really.

What are you doing, Forrest, come on.

I MEAN ITS BEEN STATED THAT YOU COULD STILL BE SCUM AND FORREST MOSTLY RESTATED WHAT MATEO HAS ALREADY SAID
ITS AN ENTIRELY VALID POSSIBILITY
WHAT ARE YOU DOING, LARA, COME ON

CONCLUSION: LARA IS BASICALLY THE OPPOSITE OF FORREST IN THE SENSE THAT SHE HAS BECOME SCUMMIER AND SCUMMIER AS WE HAVE GONE DEEPER INTO THE GAME. THE ONLY REAL THING THAT IS PREVENTING ME FROM LYNCHING HER RIGHT NOW IS THE FACT THAT SHE LYNCHED CLARK, WHO WAS SCUM, AND THATS CONFUSING ME AND MAKING ME THINK SHE COULD JUST BE A REALLY SCUMMY TOWN

So a lot of really insightful comments. As you can see from my backpedalling when I said Katie+Clark, I'm not the best at wording my logic well. I recognize that I've become scummier as the game goes on, but I'm panicky about dying and having town lose. I will try and make a consolidated reads list with undestandable reasoning and logic, but school rn so rip. Atm I can tell you Forrest->Yosuke/Mateo->Misato for scum order (scummiest to least scummy)

Lara C. wrote:

Yosuke D. wrote:THIS IS TRUE BUT HONESTLY THE NK IS GOING TO BE SOMEONE EVERYONE SEES AS TOWN AT THIS POINT SO I DOUBT THERE IS ANY USE IN NLING
FORREST FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CREATE A READSLIST OR ANALYZE SOME POSTS OR I LITERALLY WILL LYNCH YOU AND NOT EVEN BE MAD IF YOU'RE TOWN

So who would you propose we lynch right now?

IF FORREST GENERATES NO CONTENT, HIM.
OTHERWISE, YOU OR MATEO.

Lara C. wrote:

Yosuke D. wrote:SO MANY POSTS
WHYYYY

Lara C. wrote:Lynch Sylvester S.

Honestly, you shouldn't need math to scumhunt. It should be entirely based on tells, and it seems to me like the number of teits assigned is relatively arbitrary based upon however scummy you personally think an action is. So to me, something like a freudian slip would be worth 5 or 6 teits but to everyone else it may be worth only 2. SO I think math is the wrong way to go, and you bringing it in is trying to draw our attention away from actual scumtells and reads that could find a scum BEFORE they manage to kill us.

LARA ALSO IS AGAINST THE IDEA AND SHE PROVIDES SOME PRETTY GOOD REASONING AS TO WHY, NOTHING ELSE THATS REALLY IMPORTANT HERE.

Lara C. wrote:

Katie P. wrote:Suprise suprise, good old me being FOSed already
I dont have much to say rn, but we will say as the game progresses

My FOS on you is probably the slightest FoS possible. It's Day 1, so town is scrambling to pick up on anything. Because other people have so few posts, I'm going off just what I already have, so right now I FoS you above all else. Are you mafia? No, probably not, but until we get more posts you're the closest to it fmpov.

THIS IS REALLY ANGRY/DEFENSIVE (I DONT HAVE THE EXACT WORD IN MIND BUT YOU GET WHAT IM SAYING) AND I REALLY SEE NO REASON FOR IT TO BE SO THATS KINDA STRANGE

Lara C. wrote:While I follow the logic on pushing NL, this isn't classic. Mafia won't necessarily kill tonight, so we can lynch without fear of coming closer to MyLo/LyLo tomorrow. In fact, Even in 2v4 at day, we can probably still mislynch and win the game (although the odds are 33/67)

NOW THAT I LOOK BACK AT IT, I SEE LARA POSSIBLY (POSSIBLY) SETTING UP EARLY TO MAKE A MYLO LYNCH
THIS IS MOST LIKELY JUST ME SEEING THIS EX POST FACTO THOUGH

Lara C. wrote:

Misato O. wrote:No lynch

So basically, I don't trust the concept of "LOL THEY WON'T GET THE KILL THROUGH, LETS LYNCH" On mylo.

Buuutttt, It's not mylo. I think we should nl today, since we have very little info, and lynch tomorrow or the next day.

I'm not saying use it as a strat - I'm saying it's possible. You will have to lynch on MyLo though, because if you NL, mafia gets kill and it turns into LyLo - or they don't get the kill and it remains in MyLo.


I disagree with NLing today, just because I think we could get some information based on reads/etc, but I'm fairly impartial right now.

Unlynch Sylvester S, No Lynch

I STILL DONT UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN DISAGREE WITH NLING AND THEN SUBSQUENTLY... NL
LIKE WAT

Lara C. wrote:
Reading through this, and reading that end paragraph, I'm really, REALLY starting to think you're scummy. Also, the town softing kills and not dying for them=confirm is invalid, I already talked to AJ about it. With your very last sentence, Slight FOS on Katie and Lara for being in LarKaVester is the stupidest thing I've seen this fame so far. You're saying we're more likely to be scum because we're members of a list you grouped us in, based solely on how we posted day 1, followed by nobody dying in a game where the chance of a death is 1/36, far lower than if one or both of us had been scum. Also, please, try to actually scumhunt instead of using math - arbitrary numbering of people's human, illogical actions will not help us win.

Time to explain my "convoluted" lynch list.

SIMILAR TO ONE OF MATEO'S POSTS AT SOME POINT IN THE GAME, LOGICAL AND WELL-THOUGHT OUT, POINTING OUT THE ERRORS IN SYLVESTER'S POST (I SERIOUSLY HAVE NO IDEA WHY HE DIED, CMON MAFIA) ALTHOUGH I THINK ITS INTERESTING THAT LARA ASKED AJ ABOUT THAT BEFORE MAKING THE POST (NOT SURE HOW FAR BEFORE IT WAS, ALTHOUGH ITS PROBABLY NOT TO IMPORTANT)

Lara C. wrote:

Lara C. wrote:

Mateo is #1 on my lynch list because of the fact that he just has that sole post;

Katie as a weak case is just that  - there wasn't much else I could do casewise;

Sylvester gets 3 because he's trying at least, but in a way that isn't townie;

Yosuke obviously needed a sub, so let's chalk her #4 spot up to lurk/inactivity;

Misato is #5 because she offered up great ideas, that while I don't necessarily agree with them, are town-lead-y in a way, so again, at least she's trying;

I do agree that Forrest should have been much higher than I put him - I simply skimmed posts when making my list. After rereading, he should definitely be at 2 or 3;

Clark, again, not much to go off of, but seemed pretty town from what he's posted so far;

And of course me. So right now, I'd be all for lynching Mateo or Forrest.

Another comment on this - I hate to bring showdown meta into this, but Forrest's playstyle and need to be sub match a certain player's (@ajhockeystar can I say the username??), and his follow and give-up attitude is pretty common when playing as mafia. Not an actual read, just a comment.

NOTING RIGHT HERE THAT CLARK IS BELOW MISATO ON THE LIST HERE, AND THAT WHAT HE'S POSTED WAS "PRETTY TOWN", MEANING THAT THE 1 (2?) POST(S) HE MADE BETWEEN THIS AND HIS LYNCH CHANGED LARA'S MIND, APPARENTLY.

Lara C. wrote:Alright.

Infer kiddies - the playstyle is very similar to that of F-oh-ex, where he'll be mafia and without any way of trying to "hunt" for scum townies, will flounder about - hell, we'll all do it in Vanilla, so why not here? The floundering strategy is very reminiscent of the way we all play as mafia goon in Vanilla games - and this theme is very, very much a vanilla theme.

HONESTLY A FAIR POINT, ALTHOUGH I THINK ITS A BIT EXAGGERATED - FORREST 1 PROBABLY JUST LEFT/WAS SUBBED BECAUSE HE HAD NO INTEREST IN THE GAME

Lara C. wrote:Katie and Clark are the scum team.

Hear me out:

Katie is trying to move the lynch off of Sylvester with the Forrest lynch, correct? Any random lynch like that to shift plurality from someone, with no reasoning given, is typically considered scummy.

So I think, if Katie is scum, that means Sylvester is scum as well, because Katie is trying to avoid getting him lynched.

However, maybe Katie is trying to keep Sylvester alive because he's an easier lynch later in game. If this is the case, little Clark the lurker who obviously still her becomes incredibly scummy to me - why be definitely here but do nothing at all to help town?

THIS WAS NEAR THE END OF DAY 2 I BELIEVE WHEREAS THE POST WHERE SHE CALLED CLARK'S POSTS TOWNY WERE AT THE START OF DAY 2? CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG
BUT YEAH, ITS A PRETTY SUDDEN SHIFT, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING NEITHER MISATO NOR CLARK POSTED BETWEEN THIS (AGAIN, CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG THIS IS OFF OF MEMORY) SO I THINK THIS MIGHT JUST BE A BUS/ A PROD TO CLARK TO BE ACTIVE AGAIN. NOT SURE, BUT ITS A POSSIBILITY.

Lara C. wrote:So the Katie+Clark team isn't because of their interactions, it's because of my scumreads on each.

Katie is scummy because of her lynch on Forrest, and the logic that Mateo posted about it (go read his thing);

Clark because of his high inactivity and bandwagoning. He's also NLing because there's a higher chance of getting a VT killed at night than avoiding one of the mafia being lynched during day (1/25 times VT dies at night, assuming a random player is picked by each mafia, versus 2/7 chance a mafia gets lynched) so he may be trying to get safer odds.

AND HERE SHE'S BACKPEDALING, ALTHOUGH IT COULD HAVE JUST BEEN DUE TO HER WORDING HER ORIGINAL POST BADLY/OTHERS MISINTERPRETING IT.

Lara C. wrote:

Yosuke D. wrote:

Lara C. wrote:So the Katie+Clark team isn't because of their interactions, it's because of my scumreads on each.

Katie is scummy because of her lynch on Forrest, and the logic that Mateo posted about it (go read his thing);

Clark because of his high inactivity and bandwagoning. He's also NLing because there's a higher chance of getting a VT killed at night than avoiding one of the mafia being lynched during day (1/25 times VT dies at night, assuming a random player is picked by each mafia, versus 2/7 chance a mafia gets lynched) so he may be trying to get safer odds.

WHY DID YOU NOT SAY THAT AT FIRST? IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE BACKTRACKING NOW.

It looks like backtracking because it is - I didn't think about the way my first post calling out Katie and Clark was written. Here's my reasoning behind it, plus they seem to be actively avoiding making comments on one another.

WELL YEAH SHE KINDA ADMITS TO BACKPEDALING HERE, ALTHOUGH SHE'S TRYING TO LINK THEM TOGETHER NOW?
LETS BE REAL, CLARK DIDNT POST ANYTHING AND KATIE DIDNT REALLY MAKE COMMENTS ON ANYONE UNTIL SHE WAS ABOUT TO BE LYNCHED SO THE POINT HERE SEEMS VERY...FORCED.

Lara C. wrote:For reasons already stated, combined with Katie's angry defense:

Unlynch NL Lynch Katie Perry

THERE WASNT EVEN AN ANGRY DEFENSE HERE SO IM NOT SURE WHAT THIS IS

Lara C. wrote:

Forrest G. wrote:

Lara C. wrote:

Forrest G. wrote:^ Either that or I need help.

Uhh...yeah framing. You didn't take into account the fact that mafia obviously realized this because it was stated so many times and framed me.

"Framing"

Obvious mafia excuse jsyk.

Really? Because in this case it's totally valid. You and Sylvester are the only ones that brought up his death meaning I'm a likely scum - combine that with his death, and the fact that there's NOBODY I've buddied with, and we have a case of the frame. Who would my partners be?

SAYING "WHO WOULD MY PARTNERS BE?" IS SO INCREDIBLY DUMB BECAUSE SOME MAFIA TRY TO PREVENT THEMSELVES FROM BEING LINKED TO ANYONE BY BEING INCREDIBLY NEUTRAL, THUS MAKING IT SO THAT IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE FOR ANYONE TO BE THEIR PARTNER

Lara C. wrote:

Forrest G. wrote:

Lara C. wrote:40% with a higher chance of failure by quickhammer odds versus 33% odds with a lower chance of failure by quickhammer

uh wat

2/5 chance of lynching scum on LyLo, but we have a higher chance of them quickhammering and ruining us. Versus lynching today, on MyLo, where we have 2/6 odds to lynch scum, but there's less of a chance of failure due to quickhammer.

AS DISCUSSED BEFORE, WHY ARE YOU USING MATH? THERE IS ACTUALLY A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOSING SOMEONE USEFUL AND LOSING SOMEONE WHO ISNT AS USEFUL TO TOWN, SINCE THE NIGHTKILL WILL PROBABLY BE ON SOMEONE WHO WASNT GOING TO BE LYNCHED ANYWAYS

Lara C. wrote:Unlynch Forrest Gumpers, Lynch Yosuke D.

Just for rn. Your push for me to switch lynches at the end of the day yesterday with no reasoning, along with not trusting me and not remembering that you as mafia is a possibility, is making you seem extraordinarily scummy.

JUST QUOTING THIS BECAUSE LARA DIDNT REALLY RESPOND TO ANY POINTS WHEN I BROUGHT THEM UP AND AFTER I COUNTERED EACH ONE SHE KINDA SEGWAYED HER LYNCH ONTO FORREST (ALTHOUGH IVE GOTTA ADMIT HE MADE IT VERY CONVENIENT BY TUNNELING ONTO HER AND BEING KINDA SCUMMY IN GENERAL)

Yosuke D. wrote:

Lara C. wrote:

Yosuke D. wrote:

Lara C. wrote:

LARA C. wrote:
I have nothing NEW to scumhunt off of right now. Your actions have been scummy, and I've already given reasoning on Forrest 1 and Forrest 2, as well as mild reads on Mateo. I recognize it wasn't a "push" on me per se, but it was a push away from Clark, covered up by asking (I forget who it was oops) to hop off me. I still have you at the top of my scum list and Misato at the bottom, with Forrest and Mateo jumbled in the middle.

Me hopping somewhat off of you for asking for the unlynch. It could also have been in attempt to let mafia (you and Clark) to get off a kill.

AGAIN, PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THIS IS A PUSH ON CLARK WHEN I DID NOT AT ALL ASK FOR AN UNLYNCH AND WHEN I GAVE NO SPECIAL MENTION TO EITHER CLARK OR YOURSELF

I didn't say it was a push on Clark?

PUSH AWAY FROM CLARK, I FAILED TO QUOTE YOU CORRECTLY

YOU NEVER ANSWERED THAT ONE

Lara C. wrote:

Forrest G. wrote:Well you could have lynched Clark knowing that he was inactive and that he wouldn't be of much help to mafia anyway. And since it was Pmylo you were afraid that if you nl'ed after a town lynch then clark wouldn't choose the same person as you.
So, you could have lynched clark and make you look more clear.

So what you're saying is I'd be the only person lynching my partner in a bus kill in a theme with no power roles where mafia has a chance to kill every night. I could MAYBE understand if someone else was already on Clark, but really.

What are you doing, Forrest, come on.

I MEAN ITS BEEN STATED THAT YOU COULD STILL BE SCUM AND FORREST MOSTLY RESTATED WHAT MATEO HAS ALREADY SAID
ITS AN ENTIRELY VALID POSSIBILITY
WHAT ARE YOU DOING, LARA, COME ON

CONCLUSION: LARA IS BASICALLY THE OPPOSITE OF FORREST IN THE SENSE THAT SHE HAS BECOME SCUMMIER AND SCUMMIER AS WE HAVE GONE DEEPER INTO THE GAME. THE ONLY REAL THING THAT IS PREVENTING ME FROM LYNCHING HER RIGHT NOW IS THE FACT THAT SHE LYNCHED CLARK, WHO WAS SCUM, AND THATS CONFUSING ME AND MAKING ME THINK SHE COULD JUST BE A REALLY SCUMMY TOWN

So a lot of really insightful comments. As you can see from my backpedalling when I said Katie+Clark, I'm not the best at wording my logic well. I recognize that I've become scummier as the game goes on, but I'm panicky about dying and having town lose. I will try and make a consolidated reads list with undestandable reasoning and logic, but school rn so rip. Atm I can tell you Forrest->Yosuke/Mateo->Misato for scum order (scummiest to least scummy)

I MEAN, GETTING PANICKY IS UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT IT DOESNT EXCUSE PUSHING ON PEOPLE WITH BAD LOGIC

Not gonna quote that shit again. I apologize for pushing people with bad logic, but I still feel as though Forrest is trying to hang out away from the spotlight, and I want him lynched hard if there is no consolidated reads list by 9AM EST tomorrow. (DL in 12 hours from that point)

I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT FORREST, WHICH IS WHY IVE SAID MULTIPLE TIMES THAT IM LYNCHING HIM IF HE DOESNT COME UP WITH SOMETHING USEFUL ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE IN THE GAME

You want reads from me or what?

And by that logic, you should be lynching every lurker out there instead of me. So the whole "not contributing" aspect doesn't work here.

YES,
READS, ANALYZATION OF POSTS, COMMENTS ON PEOPLE OTHER THAN LARA (FEEL FREE TO COMMENT ON LARA AS WELL, JUST CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING ON OTHER PEOPLE), ETC

Forrest G. wrote:You want reads from me or what?

And by that logic, you should be lynching every lurker out there instead of me. So the whole "not contributing" aspect doesn't work here.

You and Misato are the only 2 people lurking, so it's coming to be a lynch between the two of you, and I still am near thoroughly convinced that Misato is town.

LYNCHING SOMEONE SOLELY BECAUSE THEY ARE LURKING IS STUPID
THE CONTENT OF WHAT THEY'VE POSTED IS IMPORTANT AS WELL, AND LURKING IS ONLY ONE SCUMMY THING THAT MAY BE BALANCED OUT BY OTHERS/MAY ONLY BE PART OF THE REASON SOMEONE IS SCUMMY

Yosuke D. wrote:LYNCHING SOMEONE SOLELY BECAUSE THEY ARE LURKING IS STUPID
THE CONTENT OF WHAT THEY'VE POSTED IS IMPORTANT AS WELL, AND LURKING IS ONLY ONE SCUMMY THING THAT MAY BE BALANCED OUT BY OTHERS/MAY ONLY BE PART OF THE REASON SOMEONE IS SCUMMY

I don't think you already posted one, but can I get just a reads list (p1->p2->p3->p4) of most scummy to least scummy, based on activity, actions, logic/reasoning, etc.?

WAS THAT DIRECTED AT ME OR FORREST?
I ALREADY POSTED ONE AT SOME POINT, GO READ MY POSTS BECAUSE IM NOT REDOING THEM

Yosuke D. wrote:WAS THAT DIRECTED AT ME OR FORREST?
I ALREADY POSTED ONE AT SOME POINT, GO READ MY POSTS BECAUSE IM NOT REDOING THEM

Can you search your posts and find it? I looked through and couldn't find one.