Game 18: Jungle Republic

Egan G. wrote:h..hi again

i dont have much to say atm. Ephraim M seems to be saying the obvious in giant walls. Dr. A seems towny. Mel B seems towny and kinda cute Dr yung towny and kinda agressive but town read fo sho. Cant get much read on anyone but dominik seem kinda fishy trying the bw lynch on katrina for just acting dumb.

mel b, how do you suggest we talk about hypno if we arent allowed to post our support for it? read minds? cuz i cant do that

Egan G. wrote:h..hi again

i dont have much to say atm. Ephraim M seems to be saying the obvious in giant walls. Dr. A seems towny. Mel B seems towny and kinda cute Dr yung towny and kinda agressive but town read fo sho. Cant get much read on anyone but dominik seem kinda fishy trying the bw lynch on katrina for just acting dumb.

mel b, how do you suggest we talk about hypno if we arent allowed to post our support for it? read minds? cuz i cant do that

Ryou N. wrote:Gah I hate Timezones.


This is exactly why server mafia with a Mafia PL fails. A lot of people don't seem to get hypo. It doesn't work as well if 2-3 people do it, and if the real Seer doesn't, then what's the point? Yeah they stay alive longer, but if they aren't claiming inspects then why even bother? It did literally nothing to help.

Ephraim M. wrote:I am done. I am so done. I am not stating the obvious, and I'm doing it in such long posts so even those who are very slow can understand what I'm trying to tell them, if you've got a problem with that I'll do it simpler, though I doubt it will have any effects, tell me, how would you have responded if I'd simply said "hey mafia go help the town, you're a part of the town in many ways anyways", you guys would have asked an explanation, so I have to go out of my way to do the roundabout thing, so I skipped a few steps and what do I get for putting in more effort? you guys think it's fishy how I try to make these things simple and understandable for everybody. so I am going to listen to your advice, and not give any explanations anymore. unless of course that's not what you guys mean? I have several ways of playing this game, if this way where I try to help town with logic others understand doesn't work, I'll go back to my own logic, where I will be right about everything but nobody will understand why, meaning it's pretty pointless to town. make your choice. yes you could see this as another roundabout way to go about things, but I haven't had any response as I am making this post, so for now this is still how I'm doing things.

good job on giving the werewolves a target, you really are a pro at this game aren't you? I tell you all to not give away things that only the werewolves should be thinking about, and what do you do? you give them an argument why they should kill someone! really, do NOT mention who would be a good target for the night, let the werewolves figure that out for themselves will you? it means we've got a better chance at keeping the good people with us.

Ephraim M. wrote:akihabara, I care because I'm bad at ignoring it when she says "-bluches- lolicon" at every single post, so far 2 or 3 posts haven't included that message at the end.

I didn't say you're scum because you're being an annoying shitposter, and seeing as only part of your posts is shitposting I can't exactly lynch you for it, though it's tempting.

Well to be fair most of our shitposting was in the very beginning before day started. And literally the only part of my posts that is shit positing is the "-bluches- lolicon" at the end, and the mention of shoutacons

now for other matters, only werewolves have a nightkill, the mafia don't. did any of you guys even read the theme or did you just assume the mafia would be normal?

Oh, you read the rules? Only shoutacons read the rules... Shoutacon confirmed!!!!! Oh wait your just a shouta... Ewwww cooties!!!!! :p

hypo, is a bad idea. as yung has explained. so don't go saying you agree with him that it's a good idea and do it, he said it's bad. it's not worth it, so don't do it.

strategies for finding werewolves and mafia, well obviously it's just whoever is acting as if they're scum, and as for werewolves the usual nightkill frames/protections are sometimes useful, who got killed and who were they trying to get lynched? once the werewolves or the mafia die, we'll lose about half of the good advice, seeing as mafia wants to find werewolves, werewolves want to find mafia. if there is nothing for werewolves and mafia to find they'll be less helpful, if people suddenly act different once one party is eliminated, that's a scummy thing. Werewolves have mafia as their priority though they won't mind killing villagers, the mafia however need us to make sure the werewolves die, as they don't have a nightkill, if all villagers die, the mafia practically lose. So it's sort of a truce between mafia and villagers, at least I hope the mafia are smart enough to understand that too. Main priority is werewolves. If the mafia are smart, they will basically be town until werewolves are eliminated.

I understand what you mean, and i generally agree with what you said in this post. but either way, i dont really consider that as advice. Imo we should keep an eye out for the mafia while the seer is alive, since the seer at least gives us a chance at finding the wolves... once the werewolves are gone, we have nothing to help us scout out for the mafia, not even nightkills. Its not like Too Much Scum where mafia get kills after ww dies (if i remember the theme correctly) So keep an eye out for possible mafia too. Of course our priority should be finding the werewolves, but at least the night kill gives us a better idea of who is scum and who isnt scum.

A call out to the mafia and town, together we are the town until the werewolves are eliminated, yes it is a BAD thing for town if mafia is killed before the werewolves are eliminated, it's a misslynch, it means we lose 1 vote, and seeing as the mafia and town both have nothing but their votes to use against werewolves, that is a big problem. To the mafia, try not to lynch villagers, to the villagers, try not to lynch mafia. If the mafia and town are any good, they won't be scummy anyways, but it's still something to remember.

>try not to lynch any mafia
>try not to lynch any villagers
We have no clue who anyone else is (well the mafia know who their partners are) How is any single one of us gonna be successful in those attempts.

unlynch dr yung I've got no reason to want him dead.

Dominick C. wrote:

Dr. Yung wrote:

Dominick C. wrote:As I said in my previous post, ending every message with Shoutacon and lolicon and acting like a little girl is only going to make people discount every word you say and the whole idea of it is kind of disgusting. Also, you yell at me for picking on you for doing something I personally don't like, and then you turn around and do it right back to me.

As of right now, I could see Dr. Yung being scum, because honestly in a case where we have 5 scum and can only find 2 of them hypo may have been better. Also, a smart seer WOULDN'T claim if we were hypo-ing, they'd let villies hypo, allow the wolves to go through them, and stay alive.

I dont really underatand your point, how does having 5 scum with 2 scum that can be found mean hypo is a good idea? So you are saying its a good idea to risk your seer to potentially find 2/5 scum and I do mean POTENTIALLY. Oh and if seer doesnt claim then its not hypo. The whole point of hypo is that everyone claims and one of them would be the seer. If everyone claimed seer except 1 then thats a little interesting. And lets say the seer dies somehow, the whole point is that if he does die, since he claimed his inspects before, the evidence is lying on the table. I am not sure if i misunderstood you with anything but frankly its a terrible idea.

Not everyone tends to claim cop in hypo... Lolicon.

In classic with hypo, if the cop doesn't claim, mafia/mafia PL will never think to go after him, because there will be 4 or 5 other users they think are possibly real cop claims, and the same scenario runs here.

Ephraim M. wrote:let's not suggest what the seer might be doing to the werewolves okay? it's kind of a problem if they figure out what kind of wifom he might be doing and then kill him because we were stupid enough to think it would be a good idea to discuss it.

for hypo, it seems like you don't really understand what hypo IS. it is a thing where EVERYONE claims the investigative role, EVERYONE. so not 3 or 4 people like you seem to think and then the rest just chill as the werewolves kill those 4 off. that would be pretty stupid, and it wouldn't follow the point of using hypo.

if we use it or not depends on a small thing, do we think the real seer could convince us if he does happen to find a werewolf? because if that is possible, hypo can only give us good things, we just have to think about the risk of a werewolf possibly trading his life for the seer's. MAFIA DO NOT EVER CC THE SEER EXCEPT FOR HYPO, IF YOU DO YOU ARE BEING STUPID, THE SEER CAN'T FIND YOU ANYWAYS, YOU WOULD JUST BE DECREASING YOUR OWN CHANCES OF WINNING. now that I've said that, I think the seer could certainly convince me if he would say he ACTUALLY is the seer when he finds a werewolf. THE SEER GETS WEREWOLF/NOT WEREWOLF AS INSPECT, DON'T SCREW IT UP BY SAYING SOMEONE IS MAFIA

hypo can only gain us something in this situation, I believe.

dominick, can you PLEASE explain what your idea of hypo is. you are REALLY confusing.

Ephraim M. wrote:I am done. I am so done. I am not stating the obvious, and I'm doing it in such long posts so even those who are very slow can understand what I'm trying to tell them, if you've got a problem with that I'll do it simpler, though I doubt it will have any effects, tell me, how would you have responded if I'd simply said "hey mafia go help the town, you're a part of the town in many ways anyways", you guys would have asked an explanation, so I have to go out of my way to do the roundabout thing, so I skipped a few steps and what do I get for putting in more effort? you guys think it's fishy how I try to make these things simple and understandable for everybody. so I am going to listen to your advice, and not give any explanations anymore. unless of course that's not what you guys mean? I have several ways of playing this game, if this way where I try to help town with logic others understand doesn't work, I'll go back to my own logic, where I will be right about everything but nobody will understand why, meaning it's pretty pointless to town. make your choice. yes you could see this as another roundabout way to go about things, but I haven't had any response as I am making this post, so for now this is still how I'm doing things.

good job on giving the werewolves a target, you really are a pro at this game aren't you? I tell you all to not give away things that only the werewolves should be thinking about, and what do you do? you give them an argument why they should kill someone! really, do NOT mention who would be a good target for the night, let the werewolves figure that out for themselves will you? it means we've got a better chance at keeping the good people with us.

Dominick C. wrote:Oh. After reading through the last few pages, I claim seer. I'll post all my inspects on here and that way if I die they're "laying on the table." WW please don't kill me I wanna actually do stuff this game

Katrina K. wrote:

Dominick C. wrote:

Dr. Yung wrote:

Dominick C. wrote:As I said in my previous post, ending every message with Shoutacon and lolicon and acting like a little girl is only going to make people discount every word you say and the whole idea of it is kind of disgusting. Also, you yell at me for picking on you for doing something I personally don't like, and then you turn around and do it right back to me.

As of right now, I could see Dr. Yung being scum, because honestly in a case where we have 5 scum and can only find 2 of them hypo may have been better. Also, a smart seer WOULDN'T claim if we were hypo-ing, they'd let villies hypo, allow the wolves to go through them, and stay alive.

I dont really underatand your point, how does having 5 scum with 2 scum that can be found mean hypo is a good idea? So you are saying its a good idea to risk your seer to potentially find 2/5 scum and I do mean POTENTIALLY. Oh and if seer doesnt claim then its not hypo. The whole point of hypo is that everyone claims and one of them would be the seer. If everyone claimed seer except 1 then thats a little interesting. And lets say the seer dies somehow, the whole point is that if he does die, since he claimed his inspects before, the evidence is lying on the table. I am not sure if i misunderstood you with anything but frankly its a terrible idea.

Not everyone tends to claim cop in hypo... Lolicon.

In classic with hypo, if the cop doesn't claim, mafia/mafia PL will never think to go after him, because there will be 4 or 5 other users they think are possibly real cop claims, and the same scenario runs here.

Actually i saw in a classic being held the other day, the mafia PL blocked the real cop N1, and that cop didnt claim cop. Half the game claimed cop. Day 1, though that cop was kind of a nub and admitted that she was blocked d2, even though no one asked her for inspects. You are implying that the WWs would think that the seer would also claim within the big hypo. But the werewolves might see through that. So let me be clear, hypo will not benefit the seer at this point in time. Maybe we could start hypo Day 2... like everyone provides an inspect. but some players here understand psychology well. if the WWs have someone who understands psychology, they may still be able to figure out the seer, but if they kill the seer, then we'll have some inspects to fall back on.

-blushes- I claim the most thin mint sales in the world...

Ephraim M. wrote:the thing about people acting stupid, I don't mean a general thing that everyone is acting stupid, I mean things like saying you agree hypo is bad and then doing hypo, I mean dominick assuming the werewolves would kill off the people claiming seer first if only half of the town were doing hypo, it's things like that, which make me state things that are apparently so obvious to you guys, well guess what? I didn't realize most of those points at first, so I was just trying to make sure everybody realized those things.

for the sake of all you lazy people tl;dr: a few people have done some stupid things and those obvious things aren't that obvious at first, I'm just making sure everyone understands.

Ephraim M. wrote:I would respond to those other things that happened but uhh... those posts would be too long for most people to read anyways, because they're lazy. And this is not something I came up with, go look in katrina's long post, you'll see she says the posts are too long.

I like how you mentioned me seeming like I think I'm on some higher level, I don't have any more information than you probably do, but that doesn't mean I can't be better at the game than someone who doesn't understand hypo now does it? I also love how everyone keeps referring to mafia novices, and keeps saying they have a lot better grasp on the game than they do in reality, let me tell you something, I had a hard time yesterday irl explaining how aitc works to people who had played mafia once or twice, even though I said the assassin could shoot, the first assassin didn't shoot. Got a better idea of the grasp people have on the game at their first few games?

tl;dr: I'm not responding to the rest that happened for now. maybe some other time. Yes I do believe I'm a better player than someone who doesn't understand how hypo works, no I don't have any more information than a town can gather on their own. Players new to mafia don't have as good of a grasp of the game as you guys all assume.

Ryou N. wrote:Wow Day one and people are already pissed. Good job guys.

Also yeah the lolicon is getting creepy as hell.

Anyone else get the feeling Dominick isn't even reading the game and just adding in his own posts and leaving? Because apparently like ~3 pages of reasoning why his plan is bad doesn't seem to faze him