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Yes teaque was miller

And omg day 3 was soooo stressful for me cause I got both O and teaque as scum after Linda was lynched and I had no idea which one was my partner lmao

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#hirokididnothingwrong

if Lila didn't have complete garbage shots I feel like town would have won. Not even that she shot town but that she shot a few of the least scummy town

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I would just like to say I only inspected the mafia and miller so not once did I get a town result

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YAY GOOD JOB O

I HATE YOU FOR LAST MINUTE CHANGING THE LYNCH AGAINST ME LIKE I KNOW I WAS SCUMMY BUT COME ON MAN LET ME LIVE ANOTHER DAY FOR THE EXTRA POINT

BUT YOU SOMEHOW PULLED IT OFF SO ILY AT THE SAME TIME GOOD GAME EVERYONE

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preferably*

fkn autocorrect

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I turn away for 30 seconds before deadline..................


Anyway, good luck everyone (preferable scum tho ;-

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ok uhm wat

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First lemme respond to Nicolette:

I never said the Lila lynch was a part of your argument against me, I simply pointed it out because you said I didn't have a good reason for lynching Linda when the reasons against Lila weren't very strong either. I'd go further into pointing out why I don't think it was a good reason but like you said it would be irrelevant. I will however, do so if you would like but its in the past and I'd like to move on the more important parts of this discussion

I guess I didn't make it clear on the theory thing so let me do it now. I meant to say the entire thing is speculation so the first sentence of it is already wrong but let me point it out specifically. The first theory: assuming I am mafia and I wanted to make sure Lila was the real vig. I already explained this in a different area of my argument but the theory doesn't make sense because even if I was scum I would have no reason to need to make sure she was the real vig. It was pretty obvious that mafia wouldn't claim vig just to avoid a lynch in this theme because of what I already said before. But assuming they didn't realize the dangers of claiming vig, I would have been able to inspect the vig that night and make sure. Plus I already explained why I asked her about her shot. Not to draw attention at all. So because I would have no reason to make sure Lila was the real vig I believe the first theory is false.
Second theory: I will admit I wasn't paying 100% attention but it was not because I could "afford to". I came back with 6 pages to read and I did read everything and I went over it a second time and read certain posts carefully (the ones that seemed relevant to me at the time). But when there were six pages of posts to read and a lot of them being filler at the time cause day 1 mostly you can't expect everything to have stuck in my head. So it was not because I could afford to but because I physically could not remember everything at the time of making the post.

"Missing my post about ignoring any discussion involving Lila further strengthens my point here, and points to Yuzo's posts regarding Lila's vigclaim/shots as an attempt to act towny and contribute to the discussion, but in actuality, became a slip."

I'm not quite sure how what I did (by speculation) was a slip so could you explain that for me. But other than that I think I've made it clear why those theories have too many holes to be plausible.

As for Linda's lynch. I did explain why it was legit. I said her posts were fillery to draw attention away from her bad argument on Lila. I said that she restated a lot of things that made her seem like she was trying too hard. Plus when she called out O for a scum slip that didn't seem like a reason to me really and then she was buddying really hard with Titus it seemed like a typical mafia play of "tunnel someone hard but get on someone's good side for backup". If she flipped town then I could see some reason for this not being a perfect argument but she flipped scum which essentially means my suspicions were correct so I don't understand why you still think its a bad argument.
Aaaaaand, I only brought up Marilyn because I was pointing out that she too lynched Linda because she was the scummiest and best option at the time which is what I did.

I can't say I've been consistently scum hunting the entire game because I was able to be active for a few days and wasn't even able to log on for others but I did scum hunt based on past posts and lynch yesterday (in mafia day). But as for now I'm just trying to make you understand why your argument doesn't fit the situation and based on Titus's flip I will try to be more proactive with scum hunting.

As for this I already I already answered most of it when I was proving your theories to be wrong. I explained why drawing attention to Lila would't change anything and why even if she wasn't confirmed I would have no intention to still do so. But even if we're doing this your way, if you didn't think she was the real vig wouldn't it have been better to point out that she claimed so that the real vig could shoot her? Plus I explained why I thought she was the real vig. The post she made which everyone interpreted as a scum slip seemed too much like an ignorant time considering she wasn't even active at that point.
ALSO I DID EXPLAIN WHY WE SHOULD DRAW INFORMATION OUT OF HER AHHHH. I said we should understand her motives for shooting Claudina so that we could prevent a mis shot for an unjust reason again. And I don't know what post I am blatantly ignoring that you're talking about. If it is you telling me not to draw attention to her I already told you why I did. If not, please clarify.

I have definitely countered every part of your argument that you have asked me to now. I did not brush off any evidence, I simply re used it to point out where it is flawed.

and holy crap it took me like an hour and a half to make this post including all the time I used to go back and read and find stuff and whatnot. how do u guys do this so quickly smh

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I HAD THIS 2 DAY LONG FAMILY GATHERING OUT OF TOWN AND I DIDN'T HAVE MY LAPTOP AND PHONE ANON IS CANCER SO I APOLOGIZE THAT WEEKENDS ARE JUST NOT GOOD FOR ME BUT I AM HERE NOW AND READY TO ROCK AND ROLL

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Nicolette D. wrote:

Yuzo K. wrote:
Okay lemme point out the many flaws in your argument.
I didn't "ignore" town directions. I was busy the first couple real days of day 2 and I mentioned that in my first post and ever since I came back I'd say I've been pretty active. More active than most "active" people day 2. But that also meant I had to read like 6 pages cause I had to refresh on day 1 stuff and so I think it'd make sense that I forgot and wasn't thinking of the vig cc thing at the moment of making the post. So yes I skimmed it the first time I read it because I wouldn't remember everything if I read all the details but I did go back and carefully read the significant posts.

Also yes I asked Lila why she shot Claudina not because I was "attracting attention to her" or whatever you claimed but because I found no day 1 evidence of Claudina seeming scum so I wanted to hear her explanation so I could provide my thought on it so she would hopefully not make the same flaw in thinking again. Just how most of us didn't see Hiroki as scum and she shot him.

I actually don't understand what part of me finding Linda as scum is scummy? I gave my opinion with actual examples where she was jumpy with lynches and she was trying way too hard to make reads and so I lynched her. The annoying posting style was not my primary reason I was simply expressing how painful it was to go through all her posts to show that I actually took the effort to. Plus the only other two at that point was O or Marilyn and I find Linda way scummier than both of them after going through their posts.

Also your whole idea that Lila and Linda were both being lynched for the wrong reason is flawed. I already said Lila's "slip" didn't seem like a slip to me but Linda's reasons for being lynched were not similar to her at all. I called her out for trying too hard, being too lynch happy and band wagoning with no personal opinion which I believe is reason enough considering it turned out to be true so it was not done for the wrong reasons.

Don't go around saying "oh, I was active day 2 and all" when you know that part isn't a significant part of my argument at all! Besides, you may have been "active", but all you were doing was being a presence in the forum, and not actually actively seeking out who scum is. All you did is give reads on players/chime in with your opinion; you never made an effort to scrutinize and question people based on what they said. I still stand by what i said when I say "town players would pay attention to every post made, and read/reread to find potential scumtells", even if you're inactive for the first few days of the game. I myself only came back at day 2, but I made sure to pay attention to what everyone said, and even opened up by pointing out what I thought was scummy (Titus). And what did you do? You stalled for quite the time before actually doing anything, and end up missing the part about vig not ccing when someone claims (this was done over a span of several posts, and people actually argued over this early day 1, hard to miss on a skim imo). Not only could that "mishap" been costly for town, I read your inadequate backreading in d1 itself as an anti-town play, because, like I said before, you could afford to do so as scum.

You still have yet to explain why you missed my post in late d2, when i told everyone to shut up about Lila. Making a post about Lila, even when someone else gave explicit directions not to, is inherently scummy; how do you explain that? It was obvious that I had something in mind when I gave that direction, but you didn't even bother to ask why before attempting to ask Lila questions. The result isn't what I'm scumreading you for; it's the attempt at initiating discussion with Lila when another player said not to, without even discussing it with the original poster. Your intentions in questioning Lila, which i think are full of crap in the first place, don't even matter in this argument at all, and doesn't suffice as an argument against mine. Your activity excuse doesn't work here, because you were already active then. And I won't let you say you disagreed with my suggestion, because nowhere in the chat did you ever express such dissent.

Nowhere in my argument did I say that the Lila lynch was for bs reasoning, only the Linda lynch, since nobody reacted or responded to my earlier post when I called out Linda's "not vig" claim as scummy.(honestly lowkey pissed at everyone else for literally ignoring that post ;  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you misread my post or something to talk about a Lila lynch or whatever. The "oh annoying posting style wasn't even a reason to lynch" argument is literally just another example of you attacking borderline-irrelevant details of my argument that essentially don't even matter to my overall argument, since i was moreso calling you out on having weak reasoning in general - you're just trying to make my argument seem weaker, when you aren't actually doing anything to disprove my points. Everyone's lynched Linda for different reasons, but yours was by far the weakest:

Yuzo K. wrote:Lila C.:
Fairly certain she's the real vig mainly and I never completely understood the reasoning people had for her "scum slip" cause I personally thought only an ignorant/new player townie would say mafia knew each other so even before she claimed vig I was skeptical.
Plus, I feel like mafia would have no business counter claiming vig cause sure they'll avoid getting lynched that day but since they don't know their partners they'd risk lynching their partner AND getting shot at night so it doesn't make much sense for mafia to claim vig.

Marilyn M.: Apart from your argument for Lila being scum being a little holey, I'm not getting many scummy vibes at the moment. Mostly cause you argue your points well without seeming lynch happy or defensive. Also you jump to conclusions and make a lot of accusations and though some of them don't make sense to me I don't think mafia would be brave enough to do that but I'll look more into my read on you tomorrow.

Linda G.- ngl most of day 1 I was just annoyed with the way you posted (super annoying and very long) which pretty much just continued day and yes I took the time and effort to read those terrible posts and so much filler help. Plus I feel like a lot of your posts just restate things youve already said or just state the obvious which isn't particularly scummy on its own but it makes it seem like you're trying too hard.
Plus I've read that one post about O and Titus like three times and I still don't understand your argument? Maybe I'm dumb but I don't know what scum slip you're talking about or why you keep backing up Titus.
Overall I find you scummier than anyone else at the moment due to lack of proper arguments and filler posts that seem like you're trying too hard which is why I think it's the best lynch for today.

Lynch Linda


I don't have too much to say about others just yet I'll continue my reads tomorrow.

Your argument for lynching Linda is embarrassingly weak. You spout things like "filler posts" and "lack of proper arguments" when you yourself don't present much of an argument against them - to me, this reeks of scum putting together seemingly convincing arguments that actually lack substance in order to encourage a wagon. You literally say "I think it's the best lynch for today", not "i'm convinced they're scum!"

I also strongly dislike how you pick and choose which parts of my post you're going to answer, and ignore the parts you can't. Why did you say that you "thought Lila was the true vig" in this same post, making it easier for scum vig to shoot? And go on for lengths about that when I literally said not to? Have you even commented on my 2 possible theories as to why you've made such a play, much less attempt to debunk it? Are you going to explain why you ignored my directions and attempted to talk with Lila anyways? You don't even attempt to quote yourself on posts that highlight your scumhunting throughout the day in order to argue that my statement "you made wishy-washy statements and posted copy-pastes of other peoples' reads" was wrong!
It should be safe now for me to lynch yuzo k. i want everyone's opinion on this, like always. and like, i mean it. because nobody actually comments to my posts oml

The Lila lynch was for bs reasons and you're just trying to defend it because you're one of the people who were on her. The so called "scum slip" she made was just her being ignorant or forgetful just like how I was about the vig cc thing and thats also why I called out Linda's argument when she said O "scum slipped".

And I'm pretty sure I answered every part of your argument. The only thing I didn't answer was your theory about why I asked for vig cc which I can't answer simply because the its not true and I had no alternative intentions. You can't make up a poorly thought out theory and expect me to answer it when the first sentence of it is already wrong.

The Linda lynch was very much justified. Yes, I wasn't 100% sure she was scum but neither was Marilyn. She was on O for the longest time yesterday and lynched Linda last minute instead because she seemed like a better option. My reasons for finding her scummy were valid. Yes it wasn't a perfect argument but she was the scummiest to me at the time and hence I lynched her and it worked because she was scum so I don't think this should be coming from someone who was about to lynch our vig for a bad reason.

Also can you please cut the crap about me "drawing attention to vig". With the number of people who unlynched her a few hours before the deadline I'm sure everyone in the game knew she was vig. So I didn't think not talking about it at all was going to tell anyone anything they didn't already know. Plus it was worth a shot to have her respond to me which I already told u but you clearly overlooked that in my response when I said I wanted to give her my opinion on it and hopefully prevent her from making the same mistake again (which clearly didn't work from that Hiroki shot).

I believe I've answered every part of your argument and feel free to tell me if I haven't.

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Nicolette D. wrote:Yuzo. From the moment they've been "back", all they've done is be wishy-washy, provide copy-pastes of other people's reads, and ignore town directions. The first instance of this happened when they called for vig to cc Lila, when we obviously discussed this as a poor and unnecessary play. The second instance was when they blatantly ignored my call for everyone to shut the hell up concerning anything related to Lila. And it's not even like they questioned my request, or argued with me about it; blatantly ignored. I have two possible explanations for this, and both point at Yuzo being scum. My first explanation is that Yuzo is scum that wanted to make sure that Lila was the true vig, and not one of their partners that fakeclaimed vig to survive the night. This would explain why they called for vig to cc Lila, and would also explain why they tried to question Lila about their kill choice on Claudina. Posting their opinion on Lila being the real vig would have also helped them decipher if their assumptions were true, provided Lila responded to these accusations with anything. In this case, Yuzo could both be the scum vig, or just be a scum that was trying to help their partner make their kill. My second hypothesis is that they simply weren't paying attention, because they could afford to. They were afk for the first week and change because they could afford to, and nobody was pressuring them. This also explains why they were lurking, but not making any meaningful posts. Or any post for that matter. They probably only skimmed the posts that went on, because they had no need to actively scumhunt, which is probably why they missed our calls for vig to not cc in the event that someone else claims vig. We as town, however, let Yuzo go and wrapped it up as "afk not paying attention to the earlier parts of day 1", which was understandable at the time, since a lot of early d1 was filler/memes. But from a town perspective, every post counts, and should be dissected and scrutinized, and everyone should be pressured for everything they say. In retrospect, it makes no sense for a town player to be afk but not thoroughly read all of the content that has come up; Yuzo's defense for missing that first point wasn't "i forgot about that strat", it was "i'm bad and i didn't realize that post was there in the first place" (correct me if i'm wrong on this point). Missing my post about ignoring any discussion involving Lila further strengthens my point here, and points to Yuzo's posts regarding Lila's vigclaim/shots as an attempt to act towny and contribute to the discussion, but in actuality, became a slip. Remember when I said the Linda lynch was done for the wrong reasons? Well, guess who lynched Linda simply for being "scummiest" without providing specific examples, only noting their annoying posting style, and calling them the safest lynch? Yuzo.
lynch yuzo k. I rest my case.

Okay lemme point out the many flaws in your argument.
I didn't "ignore" town directions. I was busy the first couple real days of day 2 and I mentioned that in my first post and ever since I came back I'd say I've been pretty active. More active than most "active" people day 2. But that also meant I had to read like 6 pages cause I had to refresh on day 1 stuff and so I think it'd make sense that I forgot and wasn't thinking of the vig cc thing at the moment of making the post. So yes I skimmed it the first time I read it because I wouldn't remember everything if I read all the details but I did go back and carefully read the significant posts.

Also yes I asked Lila why she shot Claudina not because I was "attracting attention to her" or whatever you claimed but because I found no day 1 evidence of Claudina seeming scum so I wanted to hear her explanation so I could provide my thought on it so she would hopefully not make the same flaw in thinking again. Just how most of us didn't see Hiroki as scum and she shot him.

I actually don't understand what part of me finding Linda as scum is scummy? I gave my opinion with actual examples where she was jumpy with lynches and she was trying way too hard to make reads and so I lynched her. The annoying posting style was not my primary reason I was simply expressing how painful it was to go through all her posts to show that I actually took the effort to. Plus the only other two at that point was O or Marilyn and I find Linda way scummier than both of them after going through their posts.

Also your whole idea that Lila and Linda were both being lynched for the wrong reason is flawed. I already said Lila's "slip" didn't seem like a slip to me but Linda's reasons for being lynched were not similar to her at all. I called her out for trying too hard, being too lynch happy and band wagoning with no personal opinion which I believe is reason enough considering it turned out to be true so it was not done for the wrong reasons.

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Well yeah, that didn't confirm him as town, but even if she wasn't sure if he was scum or town the fact that he was able to scout out the scum and lynch her should be enough to not shoot him cause he'd be useful to town irrelevant of his alignment especially if she had no prior suspicion or reason to find him scummy.

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I JUST REALIZED HIROKI LYNCHED LINDA TOO

WHY IS LILA SO BAD. HIROKI DIDN'T DESERVE THIS

#justiceforhiroki

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and yeah idk, you both made the same "scum slip" in her eyes.
Also idek why I checked this, I'm too tired I'll actually post something in the morning

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O O. wrote:maf vig yoloed the fuck out of that o-o (i assume)
i dont understand lila's kill at all, and it didnt work out which sucks even more

thoughts on this wild theory (maybe you guys wont like it because its me townreading myself but STILL):
n1 linda as mafia inspects a random inactive/useless townie - should they turn up as town, she will try to tunnel them and get them lynched. she chooses me, and gets me as town (hence why she randomly switched from lila to me despite us both making the same mistake) and tries to make an argument to push me with (which is why it was so shoddy)

Lynch Marilyn M.
lets go 2 for 2?

Why would she unlynch you then?

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I have a lot of questions for Lila when the game ends......

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O O. wrote:Got it. I think that the "saying what she thinks unedited" thing could be her playstyle, and I don't know if it makes the things ive brought up about her are excusable.
I suppose that when you're scumhunting you've gotta look for both ends of the spectrum this time, as people who are too cautious could be scum, but those being too brash (and acting like scum in the process) are also likely scum.

Yeah, as I said I'll look more into both of your points and see if it changes my current reads but for now I don't think she should be lynched cause Linda is a way better option from what I can see.

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It just goes back to what Titus said. Mafia would be a lot more careful with lynching and scum reading in this theme cause they're in the same boat as a townie except they have more to lose.

Not to say that they won't but I feel like Marilyn just says what she thinks a lot more without thinking it through which I don't believe mafia would do unless they want to risk lynching their own faction.

With that being said, I will look more into the argument between O and Marilyn tomorrow. I kind of just skimmed it cause I had a lot to read today and some points didn't make sense to me but I felt like I should post my read on Linda first.

And yeah I don't understand how that is a scum slip considering it was a very similar situation with Lila so I think its a poor attempt at seeming proactive.

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Btw @Lila, did you have any reason for shooting claudina?

@Marilyn, when you lynched Amelia day one was the only reason to get plural off of you?
I believe thats it from what I've read but not sure if I skipped anything by accident.

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Lila C.:
Fairly certain she's the real vig mainly and I never completely understood the reasoning people had for her "scum slip" cause I personally thought only an ignorant/new player townie would say mafia knew each other so even before she claimed vig I was skeptical.
Plus, I feel like mafia would have no business counter claiming vig cause sure they'll avoid getting lynched that day but since they don't know their partners they'd risk lynching their partner AND getting shot at night so it doesn't make much sense for mafia to claim vig.

Marilyn M.: Apart from your argument for Lila being scum being a little holey, I'm not getting many scummy vibes at the moment. Mostly cause you argue your points well without seeming lynch happy or defensive. Also you jump to conclusions and make a lot of accusations and though some of them don't make sense to me I don't think mafia would be brave enough to do that but I'll look more into my read on you tomorrow.

Linda G.- ngl most of day 1 I was just annoyed with the way you posted (super annoying and very long) which pretty much just continued day and yes I took the time and effort to read those terrible posts and so much filler help. Plus I feel like a lot of your posts just restate things youve already said or just state the obvious which isn't particularly scummy on its own but it makes it seem like you're trying too hard.
Plus I've read that one post about O and Titus like three times and I still don't understand your argument? Maybe I'm dumb but I don't know what scum slip you're talking about or why you keep backing up Titus.
Overall I find you scummier than anyone else at the moment due to lack of proper arguments and filler posts that seem like you're trying too hard which is why I think it's the best lynch for today.

Lynch Linda


I don't have too much to say about others just yet I'll continue my reads tomorrow.

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Marilyn M. wrote:Why am I lynching you?
You've been second on my reads list for scum through the entire day, only behind Lila.

Yuzo, I didn't say you said we can't scum read people. I was just hoping for you to provide your thoughts on who to lynch and who to not lynch

Fair enough, you just made it seem like it was wrong that I was saying how I feel about town reading for the reason since i've been inactive and I was like "uhh how am I supposed to be active if i can't give my opinions"

As for read lists, I don't have things to say about everyone but I do have some impressions of people that I will share soon in next posts. (I just don't like making really long posts cause they're annoying to read *Looks at Linda* )

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Also @Marilyn, I'd like to make it clear that I don't think all the reasons presented for saying someone is town are bad
For example, I really like the point Titus or O O. brought up (not sure which one) that impulsive lynchers are more likely town. I think that makes a lot of sense for this theme

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Marilyn M. wrote:unlynch Lila C.

Incase Hiroki didn't make it clear, if you are vig, and Lila is lying, then DO NOT CLAIM. Just shoot Lila tonight

Yuzo, you sit inactive for a week and then you come online and tell us that we shouldn't townread people who make good posts. So Yuzo, who do you scumread, who do you townread, and WHY
Your next post ignored what we had discussed day 1, which was what to do if the lynchee claims Vig. Since the rest of us were active and reading the game, we knew this strategy.
Overall, you have made one enormous post spouting garbage and I scumread you. However, I don't want to judge you on 2 posts so I will wait for a response, and instead...

lynch O.O

Someone is salty. And yeah I forgot about the vig claim thing and I didn't think of that cause I'm bad which I'll admit but I'm still sticking with my thoughts on town reading people. Also I never said you can't scum or town read people. Actually I never even said you can't scum read people. I just said be careful with town reading just because they bring up good points and anyone can do that and because once you do its difficult to change your mind about that person and you might not notice a scum slip if they make one.
I don't understand how I'm supposed to be active again if you're gonna call me out on any contribution I make?

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Hiroki M. wrote:we UL Lila as possible vig. I am keeping lynch on Linda for now. We find a new lynch, but if there is a vig CC and Lila is scum claiming vig, then real vig shoot her tonight, don't CC.

Oh yeah I didn't think of that xD
sorry I'm stupid.

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I'll check back in a couple hours with a most to least scummiest list and hopefully get the plural off lila if there are no counter claims by then