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So, um...who was scum?

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Can confirm I’m Mafia with Professor Jacuzzi

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I would also be fine with that.

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Also it’s almost the end of Heaven Phase 1 and we’re still on page four. Is there a chance we could get another extension?

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@Galea, what are your thoughts then on the issues I brought up with your townread on Pete? Do you still feel those things mean something for alignment?

The thing I quoted above was referring to you quickly jumping to buddying as an explanation for friendliness, not anything Autumn did.

Re: Rory, I can see how you’d interpret the part you quoted as hedging, although to me it felt more like he was putting out all thoughts he had so far and acknowledging that it was still early in the game/people were inactive.

@Howie the problem I have with Pete isn’t anything about him being “decisive” in the sense I think you’re using the word (I.e. hedging). It’s that he seems hyper focused on one player and hasn’t given many opinions on anyone else. His play so far consists of some questioning on me in RVS and an attempt to extend that questioning to Autumn, but no strong conclusions from it. And then by the end of the day he’s apparently moved on to Isis. His posts are, in Galea’s words, “concise” because they barely contain anything to begin with.

I can’t finish this currently, I will do so upon returning.

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@Howie, after the seemingly mass d1 prod and Charlene sub, I don’t think we’ll have to worry too much about who’s active when it comes to who we send to heaven. At the very least I don’t think we should base all of our voting decisions on activity. I still wouldn’t mind your own reads even if others have given theirs, as there are disagreements on some players and it would be helpful to know where you stand.

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I’m also in disagreement with your comment that Rory hedged a ton. In fact one of the things I liked about his posts were the lack of hedging, so what stood out to you as hedging?

You’re also saying he went after the easy scum target (I assume you mean Master Fisherman since that’s who he voted) but then you’re also scumreading Master Fisherman and proposing a lynch on him tomorrow.

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I wouldn’t really call OM Room “inexperienced” or a “bad player” but okay I guess. My question to Howie is more about how he was like “everyone’s town” but then had at least two scumreads by the end of day 1.

I’m also not in agreement with sending Pete to heaven currently. I mentioned my read on him earlier and in my opinion the reasons Galea mentioned for him being Town are null-tells. The willingness to question is less credible when considering he’s only focused on one person so far, and both scum and town can be considered in their posts-it’s more specific to playstyle than alignment. Galea did mention liking his thought-process so I’m open to hearing about that some more.

I propose that we instead vote Howie. I understand that you disagree with my townread on Rory, so Howie seems like an option we (as a whole town, not just you and me) can come to an agreement on sending to heaven.

One thing I want to bring up with your read on me is the comment on buddying Autumn. It’s reminds me of a comment on the Mafiascum page for buddying itself: “More recently, though, this has become used as a pre-emptive accusation against anyone who acts nicely toward another player, regardless of intent.” What I’m saying is that I loved Autumn with all my heart not necessarily every incident of someone being nice is scum attempting to buddy.

Incidentally it was Autumn who made the first friendly comment, although you didn’t acknowledge that when voting her or at any point before. I guess another question I didn’t ask earlier is “why is this?”

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So that just leaves Galea, since Isis and Charlene don't have much in the way of content. (For what it's worth my thoughts on Isis remain the same, but they're not as strong when I go through now comparing her to others.) I had a townread on Galea day one just due to her being one of the more active players, but I'm starting to reconsider because looking over her posts, I can easily see what Rory means. To summarize, Galea proposed a strategy of sending people we think are town with bad reads to heaven, but when myself and Howie mentioned a problem with it she was pretty quick to relent. A lot of her posts are also very general/broad, pretty much everything is something along the lines of "here's how the thing I'm talking about connects to the way we should play the game" but there's not a lot of scumhunting. There are no reads on anyone, the closest thing there is is the comment on Master Fisherman but then that just turns into a "we can talk about stuff like that down the line but right now it's too early." What are your reads, and why did you change your mind so quickly when Howie and I brought up an issue with your original plan?

Also, how are you?

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Pete S. is an interesting slot because he doesn't really have that much currently I think. There are 7 posts, which while they are all related to scumhunting in some way I don't know what the conclusion was he drew from them. He has the whole RVS deal with me and unvoted me in favor of Isis, but he had no comment on Isis prior to his vote and the only other player he commented on was Autumn. What do you think of some of the other players with content (Galea, Howie, and Rory for example)? I think in terms of a read Pete is overall a slight scumlean just because he hasn't given that many conclusions/decisive reads even though he looks like one of those "serious players" who tries to use everything and anything they can for scumhunting purposes. How are you today, by the way?

Howie M.'s posts feel like they're coming from town because, as Rory said, he was analyzing specific players instead of focusing on broad concepts. While Pete was definitely scrutinizing also, he seemed overly focused on one player (myself). I also think his comment on "more people need to get in here and RVS" was a genuine attempt to get the game moving despite being misguided. How are you? Also what are your reads on some of the other players who have talked, since basically everyone but Charlene/Isis has something now?

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Oh, also how are you Rory?

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Au revoir, Autumn my love...I'll avenge you!!

...um...hey Charlene, how's it goin'? You know...I'm very rich. Anyway, it'd be hard to not be a better Charlene than the other, so I look forward to your posts. As for me, I may have forgotten that the game was nightless, but I'm going to start by using the time I have to go through yesterday's posts.

So first Master Fisherman. He seemed really excited about the game, then went inactive, but so did a lot of other people. But then he apparently forgot about the game and went inactive again after re-establishing how excited he was. Other than that, he doesn't seem to be paying much attention to the game (he didn't even realize who Howie was and his reads seem to be based on a quick skim) and because of that the main thing I want is his current reads after a second, more in-depth look at the game. Also, how are you?

Rory M. made a post at the end of Day 1 which I like. He addressed everything that had been brought up and that stood out to him up to that point, and he was also one of the first people to give a concrete set of reads ("This person is townie, this person is scummy") and I find that scum tend to want to procrastinate on giving opinions for as long as possible, so I like that he got right down to business with that. The only question I have right now is this: you mentioned finding it weird that Master Fisherman didn't comment on Autumn, but your own only comment on Autumn was that she didn't have any non-filler posts. What were you expecting from Master Fisherman?

I'm going through and starting with those who have fewer posts and working my way up, so I should be able to be online for a while.

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Oh! I'm good! Everyone should answer this question.

This is the last time I can be online before deadline and I'm kind of worried that the people we're lynching haven't said very much. But at the same time there's nobody active who I scumread to the point of being willing to lynch them today.

I do see that Rory is online. What do you think?

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Pete S. wrote:Ok that's a perfectly fine explanation of the situation, but admittedly I think just going for one quote is kinda sketch, and that there are better ways to do it.

Also, you didn't answer my question...

Unlynch Madam Muchmoney

Lynch Isis A.

Target #2

Which is why I'm not really factoring it in that much, but I still felt I should mention it. What was the question, exactly?

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Anita was something of an...anomaly, but I understand your thought process.

What I meant with the bolded was that I wanted to see how you'd react to the question of "how are you". If, for example, you immediately went "that's filler" and lynched for it then that would be a sign of opportunism. But you didn't react to it at all so I wasn't able to form much of an opinion using that. In your last post you did react to it, but it looks more like you included it just for politeness and to mitigate the seriousness of the rest of your post.

@Howie can you talk to me some about your Master Fisherman read? You say we're all town but then have a scumlean on Master Fisherman, and then you lynch Rory instead. I guess I just don't understand the train of thought here.

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Also @Pete, what kind of reaction were you expecting with “scum partner found give me mvp” that would be meaningful? Like what kind of reactions do you think would come from town or scum specifically?

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Pete S. wrote:

Madam Muchmoney wrote:

Pete S. wrote:Lynch Madam Muchmoney

Wants to buy way into heaven, therefore knows they're going to hell.

Only people in this game going to hell are scum because they commit crimes.

Madam Muchmoney = Scum

It should be a crime to vote me. It's a crime that Howie hasn't rescinded his blasphemies yet.

The other game has people talking so I want to talk too. How are you, Sweet Pete?

I know this was in the RVS stage, but I don't like how your reasoning for your activity was "other people are active too."

Any town member would be active because they should be active, keeping the game alive, scumhunting, etc.

I agree with your second sentence, but it is important to note that at that point in time only three people had posted and been making random votes. I noticed the other game being more active and got bored/wanted to keep up, but not having much to discuss I attempted to get something going with that post. Needless to say it didn't have the desired effect-until now maybe as you responded to my question of "How are you?" just now and it feels like you're answering it just now to, as you did mention yourself, "to end it all politely."

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Master Fisherman wrote:

Pete S. wrote:

Autumn F. wrote:Madam much money will u be my sugar mama, I'll vote to send u to heaven if I say yes

Scum partner found gg gimme me MVP

this feels like filler to me. Obviously it can be brushed off as just as a joke but when you're looking for something to post as scum and see two others interacting like that it's just too easy to call it as a scumteam and be done with it, however much of a joke the post looks.

Galea R. wrote:

Charlene W. wrote:Confirm town

"So I here im villy"
Lynch Charlene W.

agree with this lynch. Scumpool within a few minutes of reading the game to me is currently Isis A. , Pete S. and Charlene W.

Galea can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Charlene vote was a RVS/meme vote. What about it do you "agree" with?

I can't quote Galea's post for some reason. But anyway:

1. We have the thinking emoji?
2. When you can't tell if they're jealous or...yeah, just jealous.
3. I mean Pete didn't do absolutely nothing. The posts he did make are nothing special and he doesn't stand out as town to me, so I get what you're saying and understand the point you were trying to make. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear about it in my last post.

Master Fisherman wrote:who's Howie

Poor Howie. He only has 5 posts so far but basically what Galea said, he's the other main person who's said something meaningful.

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I also just realized that if we ever get to a point where it's 50/50 between Mafia and town the players in heaven decide who goes to hell. I don't mean to be shooting down Galea's idea completely, it's just something else we have to consider if we send people we think have inaccurate reads to heaven.

So I suppose the main thing those sent to heaven need to remember is to continue watching/discussing the game even though you're not in it, and if you ever have to send someone to hell really consider the whole thing and the opinions of everyone else with you.

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ajhockeystar wrote:Very tempted to extend and so I can tell people to post. Thoughts?

Yes! Please do this!

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Galea R. wrote:autumn - Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:28 pm
charlene - Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:39 am
isis - Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:37 pm
master fisherman - Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:44 pm
pete - Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:51 pm
rory - Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:13 pm
^last time visited

autumn came on almost a day after her last post and then did nothing
its not much to go off of but its better than anything else i've seen so far lol
Unlynch Charlene, Lynch Autumn

Are you jealous too? Does no one in this town understand our relationship?

Anyway, you made your first proposal at Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:38 pm, so none of those people have had the chance to see it I think. I do realize you lynched Autumn for another reason though, and I will join you in bringing some pressure to people. I mention having a problem with people who RVS and do nothing else, which is right now Isis and Pete, and Pete at the very least came back after his RVS to see if something had come up to discuss, so I will

Unlynch Howie M. and Lynch Isis A.

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I think interactions are going to be the primary scumhunting method for this, especially considering that scum will be revealed regardless of if they are sent to heaven as well. What that says to me is that it's very dangerous for scum to push their partners in either direction, since we only need to send two of them to hell to win and scum making themselves an obvious partner to scum who was sent to heaven could keep them from getting another member sent.

I think the best way to think of this is like a White Flag setup, where scum loses upon being down to one member. Or maybe the Black Flag one, since scum can also win more easily.

I'll put this link here for some light reading, I think it better highlights what I'm trying to say: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=White_Flag_Gambit

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Howie M. wrote:Woah game is slow.

I mean the towniest person is often the option we're sure of so like, your proposal makes kinda no sense.

Unless you mean something along the lines of like "Send the second towniest" or some shit in which case that's just... long-winded.

Man the people need to get in and RVS man, PSAnon games aren't supposed to be dead

Also Howie, I feel like I should mention this just for the purpose of being complete in my thoughts. Games in general shouldn't be dead, but people simply coming in, RVSing, and leaving doesn't help to revitalize them. What usually helps is some form of discussion (which we now have!).

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I agree with Howie here, despite his lackluster face. I understand the rationale Galea is using but it's situational and something it's easier to analyze Day 2. You propose that we send people who are townie but have inaccurate reads, to which I ask how will we know if their reads are accurate or not?

I understand that you want to consider the impact a player is happening, but it's difficult I think to gauge that impact during the game.

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Galea R. wrote:I've mulled over some ideas on how to play this theme, and I want to know people's opinions on one of these ideas.

Should we consistently send the towniest players to heaven? I personally think this is a bad idea and something we should do ONLY when we aren't really sure of any other option to send forward.

Who do you propose we send instead then?