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scum was me mm and rory
aj told me the game's over
we were absolutely winning this regardless, town was garbage and inactive (aside from howie), as per usual

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4Head more like 3Head

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taka you're literally the worst mafia player i've ever seen in my life holy cow

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absolutely

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well, I can now deduce that it is lylo

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mfw

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Rory M. wrote:
Yes, I understood your intention and I have no problem with such strategy. I do have a problem with how you presented the idea, however. Personally, it just seems like you have an idea that you thought about and wanted to say it to start a discussion without actually thinking about the strategy first. For example, you said

"as to who we would send instead, I don't really know. That's why I wanted to bring the point up for discussion."

which I understand that the point of your post was to start a discussion but to me this seems like you are more focus on getting people to talk about your ideas rather than wanting to make that idea be actually useful. This is more of a gut read, so I can see why you think it is fluff.

I mean what i'm getting from you here is that you don't like that I brought up an idea without fully thinking about every possible argument against it. I suppose that's ok for you to think (I obviously don't agree with you whatsoever), but i'm struggling to see where you get from this to me being scummy.

Rory M. wrote:Furthermore, is there actually a LYLO phase in this game? Because the game doesn't end when there's a 50-50 and the people in heaven decide who to lynch in that case. I don't understand how keeping townie people will help in LYLO, so you could clarify it for me please?

Yeah I rechecked the theme page and found that I actually misunderstood how the LYLO phase works, my strategy isn't useful whatsoever for that.

Rory M. wrote:
Also, I don't fear all town leaders. I am questioning a "town leader" which you think it's a good thing. But in your case, you sorta give me a town mediator vibe sorta like "oh what you think about this", very well "what about you?" rather than actually pushing your own ideas. Again, this probably boils down to a difference in playstyle, but I just want to point it out.  

1) I didn't say it was a good thing, I said it wasn't a bad thing. Two wholly different statements - we're not in a black & white world.
...Unless you meant the questioning is a good thing, in which case yeah it is, but you literally said you were afraid of town leaders in your post unless I misunderstood you
2) Whenever I ask people about their opinions on something, i've already said my piece beforehand. If I haven't, it's either something that isn't really relevant to me (e.g. specific points made against a person) or its something I talk about in the post itself.

Rory M. wrote:
As for the easy scum target, I don't understand why you would say that. I believed yesterday there were many easy scum targets, and master fisherman only had one lynch (myself) so I don't understand why you would say that?

Explained this one already, realized it was the end of the day so my path of reasoning was wrong.

Rory M. wrote:
I also agree with madam muchmoney with the fact that I think Howie should be sent to heaven today. I read Howie and Pete similarly, however I think Howie is townier than Pete. Pete also seems to be absent from today's discussions so I want to know his thoughts first.

Why aren't you lynching Howie if you currently want to send him to heaven? Not sure why Pete being absent would impact your vote, since you want to send Howie over him anyways.

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howie too

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Howie M. wrote:Yeah well I'm a complain-y person I don't think that's a negative trait. I like to think of it as me wanting more

alright, fair enough

Howie M. wrote:
I wouldn't say MM was buddying, I'd just call it pregame/earlygame meming because you know, why not.

At what point would you draw the line on that (meaning at what point would it go from meming to buddying)? Or would you just consider any early-game connection as meming?

Howie M. wrote:
Sorry, those posts were mostly there to fill space until I could actually make fancy posts. I don't really try to engage with readslists unless explicitly asked about specific reads because I think the players on the readslists can fend for their own spots. There's nothing really off about your readslists from my own reads that made me want to question anything specifically. Lemme go and reread them now actually to see if there was anything I missed.

I guess I can't fault you for that. It's still worth looking at said readslists in case you disgaree with the logic in it, imo.

Madam Muchmoney wrote:@Galea, what are your thoughts then on the issues I brought up with your townread on Pete? Do you still feel those things mean something for alignment?

I... actually couldn't find the issues you were talking about.
You mind quoting them for me?

Madam Muchmoney wrote:
The thing I quoted above was referring to you quickly jumping to buddying as an explanation for friendliness, not anything Autumn did.

Again, I see a difference between any form of friendliness and a forced connection.

Madam Muchmoney wrote:
Re: Rory, I can see how you’d interpret the part you quoted as hedging, although to me it felt more like he was putting out all thoughts he had so far and acknowledging that it was still early in the game/people were inactive.

Maybe, but that's the tricky thing about hedging; you can't tell when its due to being unsure, and when its being done to absolve any potential blame or w/e

at the last half of your post, I do actually want to know why pete lynched isis at the end of the last day

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Also Howie i'm not really a fan of you ignoring the readslists up till this point and only coming on to put a vote that you effectively justify with two things: 1) being a gut-TR and 2) me agreeing with you.
It basically disconnects any decision-making on your end with the vote, and I really really don't like that.
The last paragraph of your post is pretty much filler too, and you're asking people to talk about things that you haven't even talked about.

Howie M. wrote:lowkey feeling scumvibes off Master Fisherman, the things he chose to focus on, namely some RVS BS, seems like such a trivial thing when viewed in the grand scheme of things.

I'm usually an advocator for Quality > Quantity but at this point of the game, most forms of analysis is bound to be at best absolute trash and at worst scummy filler, we should be pushing for quantity now, since we kinda obviously have a big issue with that and quality doesn't really matter if there's no quantity (kinda like how anything multiplied by 0 is 0, if we have none of either we're fucked).

To clarify, the reason I disliked Master Fisherman's post is because it just seems like the kind of thing you'd post in RVS for that postcount, the content is deceivingly minimal for what seems to be game-related talk, "This is RVS filler, it could be normal RVS filler or it could be RVS filler with a meaning" is how I read his post and I think anyone can see an issue with that.

I'm gonna leave that aside for now though since I'm probably going to start pushing on a lurker because god damn we can't have 5 people in a 13-player game active.

Pete's entrance seems town tone-wise but that's negligible currently because we're all basically town until people start talking.

I want stuff like this. please?

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Master Fisherman: Last visit : Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:00 pm
Pete: Last visit : Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:45 pm
Rory: Last visit : Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:00 pm
Charlene: Last visit : Today at 4:07 am
Isis: Last visit : Today at 4:24 am

AJ, please get a sub for Master Fisherman.

Charlene & Isis, I see you lurking. Talk. There's a ton of things to talk about even ASIDE from who we send to heaven.
Do you think we use a convoluted strategy later on down the road or do we just continually send the person we think is the towniest?
Do you think MF is scummy or not?
There have been slight accusations or cases against every single active player (aside from Pete I suppose). What do you think of those?
Do you have any reads on players right now? Anyone you think is scummy? If so, why?

you don't have to talk about any of these if you don't want to, just post SOMETHING. the game is reverting back to where the trio of me, MM, and Howie are the only ones talking, and I don't like that.

It's irritating to keep checking this game and seeing that theres NOTHING NEW, especially when I know that some of you are here. Come! On!

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Madam Muchmoney wrote:I wouldn’t really call OM Room “inexperienced” or a “bad player” but okay I guess.  

Forum mafia and RTM are two different things.

Madam Muchmoney wrote:
I’m also not in agreement with sending Pete to heaven currently. I mentioned my read on him earlier and in my opinion the reasons Galea mentioned for him being Town are null-tells. The willingness to question is less credible when considering he’s only focused on one person so far, and both scum and town can be considered in their posts-it’s more specific to playstyle than alignment. Galea did mention liking his thought-process so I’m open to hearing about that some more.

By his thought process I just mean the way he laid out his thoughts and explained himself.

Madam Muchmoney wrote:
I propose that we instead vote Howie. I understand that you disagree with my townread on Rory, so Howie seems like an option we (as a whole town, not just you and me) can come to an agreement on sending to heaven.

Maybe in the future, but I feel pretty good about Pete right now. You'd have to convince me that Pete isn't townie for me to vote Howie here.

Madam Muchmoney wrote:
One thing I want to bring up with your read on me is the comment on buddying Autumn. It’s reminds me of a comment on the Mafiascum page for buddying itself: “More recently, though, this has become used as a pre-emptive accusation against anyone who acts nicely toward another player, regardless of intent.” What I’m saying is that I loved Autumn with all my heart not necessarily every incident of someone being nice is scum attempting to buddy.

Incidentally it was Autumn who made the first friendly comment, although you didn’t acknowledge that when voting her or at any point before. I guess another question I didn’t ask earlier is “why is this?”

The first part's a fair defense, but to me it felt like you were forcing the connection a lot more. My reasoning for voting Autumn was solely for her showing up and saying nothing, plus i'd say that what she did falls into the thing you quoted above and isn't really buddying.

Madam Muchmoney wrote:I’m also in disagreement with your comment that Rory hedged a ton. In fact one of the things I liked about his posts were the lack of hedging, so what stood out to you as hedging?

You’re also saying he went after the easy scum target (I assume you mean Master Fisherman since that’s who he voted) but then you’re also scumreading Master Fisherman and proposing a lynch on him tomorrow.

Hedging:

Rory M. wrote:
Now, I know she might just be trying to start a discussion which I understand and respect, but there is something about her play style that is scummy to me. She is currently scummy to me, but it is too early to call. I just want to type this out as an idea and see if you guys agree/disagree with me.

These reads aren't the best (fine, @Howie) and maybe too over reliant on how I think the scum usually play, but it is my thought on the game at the moment. I want to know what you guys think about it.

I was wrong about him hedging a ton. It's definitely present, though.

At the second point, I meant that the only thing he did was go after the easy scum target. I would've liked some kinda pressure vote on someone else. I do now realize that it was close to deadline, though, so I won't hold it against him anymore. I do want to see him post more, since I don't have enough to get a feel on him yet.

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howie how do you feel about the readslists that have been posted thus far? do you agree with my accusations of your complain-iness, MM's buddying, and rory's fluff? Do you agree with any of the cases against me? aside from a gutread on pete, what do you think about him & his posts?
I already know about how you feel RE: MF.

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Worth discussing this now too: MF seems to be in most people's scumpool, and would be a likely lynch should nothing change. If he doesn't show by the end of tomorrow, do we lynch him or give him a chance to talk before doing so?
I personally think that assuming nobody else ends up being scummier by then, i'd want to lynch him, regardless of him showing up.

Please note that i'm not going to condone lurking or inactivity so if any of you think this is a free ticket to do nothing you can go to hell! (hehe)

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Starting off Vote Pete

It'll be explained. Read the post!

Madam Muchmoney wrote:Anita was something of an...anomaly, but I understand your thought process.

@Howie can you talk to me some about your Master Fisherman read? You say we're all town but then have a scumlean on Master Fisherman, and then you lynch Rory instead. I guess I just don't understand the train of thought here.

Anita wasn't an anomaly, she was an inexperienced / bad player. That's the point of a lot of these ubiquitous strategies; they're not going to work on experienced players 99% of the time, but there's very little harm in trying them and they're a fine way to start things off.

Howie's lynch was explained when he said that he didn't want to lynch any actives at the moment. Rory was inactive and thus the lynch.

Rory M. wrote:
Galea: I like her posts and I think she suggests good ideas, but I don't think she really thought her analysis through. For example, I like that she brings up the point that maybe we shouldn't send the towniest player to heaven, but she suggests sending people with terrible reads to heaven instead - even though the people sent to heaven could still impact the game. To me, it gives an impression that she is wanting to appear as townie as possible by suggesting strategies, but did not give her ideas much thought. This seems slightly scummy to me as it seems she just wants to appear townie, but not pushing her thoughts all the way through. In the end, she just agrees with the "yeah we'll do it later in the game" which to me seems like she didn't intend for the strategy to be used in the first place. This quote of hers:

" What do you think of the strategy I proposed (take note of Howie & MM's suggestions, e.g. using the system later and not sending a completely suboptimal choice over a good one as well)"

also seems to be that she is trying to become a town leader, which I think is scary. Now, I know she might just be trying to start a discussion which I understand and respect, but there is something about her play style that is scummy to me. She is currently scummy to me, but it is too early to call. I just want to type this out as an idea and see if you guys agree/disagree with me.

You seem to be ignoring the whole point of the strategy in the first place - keeping the players who are having the most positive impact on the town in the game as long as possible. I only realized this now, but keeping these players will also lead to a likely easy out in these LYLO situations, since they can be sent to heaven should it be necessary.
The rest of your post just seems like projecting and/or reaching to me. Not sure why you interpret "we can do it later" as "I have no faith in this strategy and never did". Not having a fully fleshed out idea is neither scummy nor townie as well, the whole point of me bringing that up was to start actual discussion - which it did.
On being a town leader, maybe that's what I was doing unintentionally, but what I wanted to give other people an easy way to start participating - and getting in on current topics of conversation is the best way to do that. There's nothing wrong with a town leader, regardless. The issue comes with people who don't question the town leader at all and/or let them dictate what should be talked about. Fearing any and all town leaders is just silly.

Madam Muchmoney wrote: What are your reads, and why did you change your mind so quickly when Howie and I brought up an issue with your original plan?

I addressed most of the stuff you talked about previously.
For changing my mind, you and Howie both brought up good reasons that the strategy doesn't really work as I thought it could right now. Just because I think of an idea doesn't mean that I believe that we automatically have to follow it; if people bring up valid reasons that my idea isn't a good one, i'm willing to accept that.

For reads, i've got Pete in town, Howie and you in townie, Rory + Charlene + Isis in neutral, and fisherman in scummy.
I like Pete's thought process, his willingness to question the people who are active (atm just MM, but still), and how he doesn't add anything extra to his posts to make it seem like there's more than it really is. By that, I mean his posts are very concise and there isn't an excess of filler.

For both you and Howie, I like how you were immediately willing to shoot my idea down and provide good reasoning (not just saying "I don't like it" or something along those lines). You've also been pretty consistent in posting and not too much has pinged me as being sus. There have been some things, though. You buddied Autumn VERY HARD, and I don't like that. Howie's frustration at the game's slow pace seemed off to me; it felt similar to the "complaining mafia" that talks about the game being inactive but doesn't do anything about that. I say that, but Howie did bring some solid content along with the complaints, so the issues I have with him are fairly weak.

Rory has only had the readslist, and to me it just felt like a lot of fluff. He went after the easy scum target and hedged a ton. That's his only post so far, though, and i'm not willing to assign him to the scum pile just for that.

Charlene and Isis haven't posted anything.

Fisherman's few posts were pretty sketchy; talking about RVs posts as filler is just a weird thing to fixate on, he completely ignored the current topic of conversation, and managed to forget about the existence of howie despite his presence in the actual discussion portion of the game. His posts were effectively low-effort low-utility posts that could seem useful but really weren't.

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the other active guy

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Madam Muchmoney wrote:
Are you jealous too? Does no one in this town understand our relationship?

Anyway, you made your first proposal at Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:38 pm, so none of those people have had the chance to see it I think. I do realize you lynched Autumn for another reason though, and I will join you in bringing some pressure to people. I mention having a problem with people who RVS and do nothing else, which is right now Isis and Pete, and Pete at the very least came back after his RVS to see if something had come up to discuss, so I will

when you can't tell if its a meme or buddying

the intent behind the lynch was someone coming on again after they originally posted but doing nothing, not doing nothing after I attempted to start actual conversation.
I suppose i'd have an issue with Pete too, then.

Madam Muchmoney wrote:I also just realized that if we ever get to a point where it's 50/50 between Mafia and town the players in heaven decide who goes to hell. I don't mean to be shooting down Galea's idea completely, it's just something else we have to consider if we send people we think have inaccurate reads to heaven.

So I suppose the main thing those sent to heaven need to remember is to continue watching/discussing the game even though you're not in it, and if you ever have to send someone to hell really consider the whole thing and the opinions of everyone else with you.

ah yeah that is true, I had forgotten about that portion. It's a good plan to have at least one strong town voice w/ good reads (ofc we need to find mafia first to figure out who HAS good reads) in heaven to make sure that the other picks don't mess up this scenario.
As to people being active, i'll be legitimately shocked if more than 1 or 2 people go to heaven and continue to check on the game, given psanon's history. Hopefully i'll be surprised, though.

Master Fisherman wrote:Madame Muchmoney and Galea break town to me as of now.

and Howie?

Master Fisherman wrote:
this feels like filler to me. Obviously it can be brushed off as just as a joke but when you're looking for something to post as scum and see two others interacting like that it's just too easy to call it as a scumteam and be done with it, however much of a joke the post looks.

calling out filler in the rvs stage seems silly to me & putting weight in that isn't really worth it, imo. I suppose it's something worth bringing up if it has an actual effect later down the line, but its a bit early to talk about that right now.

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its a yes from me

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aj can you go ahead and harass the 6 in my post and tell them to get on here
its entirely possible that they've forgotten this existed

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autumn - Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:28 pm
charlene - Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:39 am
isis - Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:37 pm
master fisherman - Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:44 pm
pete - Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:51 pm
rory - Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:13 pm
^last time visited

autumn came on almost a day after her last post and then did nothing
its not much to go off of but its better than anything else i've seen so far lol
Unlynch Charlene, Lynch Autumn

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Howie M. wrote:I mean there's a distinction between helpful people and townie people.

I guess I see your point in that we should prioritize townie people, but I don't think it's worth the risk of sending scummy people up just to keep the helpful people around.

If we can send a townie person without drastically lowering game quality, I'm all for it, but if we have to send someone who's somewhat feasibly scum, I don't think it's worth it.

Madam Muchmoney wrote:I agree with Howie here, despite his lackluster face. I understand the rationale Galea is using but it's situational and something it's easier to analyze Day 2. You propose that we send people who are townie but have inaccurate reads, to which I ask how will we know if their reads are accurate or not?

I understand that you want to consider the impact a player is happening, but it's difficult I think to gauge that impact during the game.

I think you both bring up good points. I suppose the strategy I was talking about is something we could do later, since we don't really have a lot to work off of right now.

Evaluating the utility of a player is a bit difficult too; especially when there are only three of us talking. As to gauging the impact of each player, I agree with MM that that's going to be something we can do later on in the game.

AJ, could you give us a votes thing + who has plurality right now?

@other people: what are some strategies for figuring out the people we want to send to heaven each week, if you can think of any? What do you think of the strategy I proposed (take note of Howie & MM's suggestions, e.g. using the system later and not sending a completely suboptimal choice over a good one as well)

When it comes to sending people to hell I think normal scumhunting strategy is fine, unless you guys have any other ideas.

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what i meant by that is that we keep the towniest players around because they can actually help town out
I suppose its worth considering the impact these townie players are having; it's possible to have terrible reads while still being super townie, so people like that would be a priority when choosing who to send to heaven.
However, should someone tend to be very accurate in identifying scum while also being very townie, I think it's a good idea to keep them around and only send them to heaven when we aren't sure who to send/when we're in a near-lylo situation.

as to who we would send instead, I don't really know. That's why I wanted to bring the point up for discussion.

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I've mulled over some ideas on how to play this theme, and I want to know people's opinions on one of these ideas.

Should we consistently send the towniest players to heaven? I personally think this is a bad idea and something we should do ONLY when we aren't really sure of any other option to send forward.

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Charlene W. wrote:Confirm town

"So I here im villy"
Lynch Charlene W.

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Anyone else like when psanon games die before they even start or just me?