Game 23: Near-Vanilla

Idk it's a secret :^)

Umberto don't reveal me or I'll hurt you :^)

Uncle Milton wrote:Umberto don't reveal me or I'll hurt you :^)

wait so umberto knows who you are?

Sadly yes, and I know him

Uncle Milton wrote:Sadly yes, and I know him

he kinda just assumed who i was, i never confirmed but i think he is just sure that i am who he thinks i am

Umberto was obvious tbh

Yup, I'll reveal everyone in a Skype call soon after the other game is done, so stay tuned

Does this mean I need to download Skype on my phone? Brb deleting stuff

gg all

Austin M. wrote:I knew this game was lost at day 2's lynch lol.

It was quite interesting watching the game from the sides coz it told me many things. Yosaku and umberto, despite being active, made many slips that were even more obvious when i knew who the mafia were. But when i didnt, i did suspect yosaku day 1 and coming on to day 2 (which i then tried to guess the mafia and got them except for umberto so gj) which showed that yosaku could have cracked if pressured. However what mafia did extremely well was keep a message resonant which is: "scum tend to lurk and not help town" which is not true at all but the rest of town were too worried to lose an active guy. However it is frustrating because town didnt even try and pressure any of the actives...not even me. Ultimately this is what led to town's demise. What really annoyed me was the marissa + foreman thing because it should have been fairly obvious that it was one of the two because of how they echod each other. Marissa tried to make an effort but 3 (or 4?) Different people failed to make an effort for the foreman. Even yosaku said that "people should still have a bit of time in their day to post something". That was an extremely missed opportunity but it was because yosaku and umberto at a point in the game where they were so dominant so they literally controlled who got lynched. One of the biggest indicators tho was that i got killed n1 despite there being a JK and a doc which is an extremely big risk. However when the town doc was killed the mafia seemingly didnt target umberto or yosaku, the active ones, despite being a safer and more effective choice than the n1 kill on me. They showed that they are willing to take risks so not killing yosaku or umberto should have been something that allowed you guys to pressure them and maybe bring up other stuff about them. I could probs go on about the mistakes made by town but the post is already too long lol.

I am pretty sure if yosaku is reading this that he wants to know why i suspected him. It was because of your townie play. It was too forced. Honestly nowadays, no one but mafia plays in that kind of style where pretty much all they do day 1 is be nice to everyone and ask them nicely to talk because it tells mafia that "hey i want town to win and i am gonna try hard to rek you" despite not doing any actual scumhunting. In a game with no nightkills, this is a totally fine strategy to use but this game had nightkills so you just put yourself in a place where you just risked your death without accomplishing much. Did the inactives talk after you tried to encourage them? No. Did you need to make a post between every other just to say that you wanted to hear from so and so? No. But why did you do it? To make myself look townie. But did it actually accomplish anything? Lol no. In contrast, although i seemed blatantly townie, it was only because i tried to put forward good points which everyone agreed was good. Notice how i didnt even post that much tho, maybe once or twice a day. Although this isnt enough to say you were scum, this is enough to give me a good excuse to pressure you as much as i can and maybe gather a case against you. Unfortunately i died tho so i could never reach that stage.

Speaking of which, how on earth did you predict that doc and JK werent gonna go on me? Although i critised town a lot, i still have to say that mafia did play very well, especially umberto since the way he played didnt really make me think he was scum until i was told by AJ so kudos to him.

Yeah this game was over from the middle, town was too inactive to do anything when 1/2 of active players was scum. Also, Austin, you know my playstyle - its the same one I always use, so I wouldn't really say it's forced. There are a few key differences between town!me and scum!me though so maybe you picked up on that(What you brought up was not the difference I was talking about, though). TBH I also started contributing things of my own in the future days so unless you had started that pressure right at the start of D2 like you planned, I don't think it would have gotten anywhere. Good eye, though. I definitely was able to see a ton of slips from Umberto (most of which I called out) but that was because I already knew he was scum.
We didn't predict that neither doc nor jk were going to go on you, we just yoloed hard because you were the only obviously town person in the game.

austin and I already know each other, our playstyles are simply too recognizable since we've played so much w/ each other

agreed that you guys should have at least pressured me/umberto/case for not dying after doc was gone, its a weird thing when the town leader doesnt get hit after a protection role is dead.
(not saying you should have lynched us, just pressured us since ofc thats a wifom thing)

lmao yosaku, but yeah i am stating the reason that could have been used by others to pressure you. even if it is your kind of playstyle, i still think that it wasnt quite the right way to play the game as a townie. remember how jennette C did it in game 6? well that was because it was a game with no nightkills. But other games which had nightkills, those who have succeeded with this kind of playstyle are scum because there isnt as much risk (coz you cant exactly kill yourself xD) Eg. Romeo (but you got rekt by fire maf) and Mizuho etc.

like remember willheima? he tried that strat as a townie, got nightkilled night 1 coz no one protected him, kinda dejavu huh

yeah yeah fair enough

portugal ez game ez life

Austin M. wrote:

Uncle Milton wrote:Sadly yes, and I know him

he kinda just assumed who i was, i never confirmed but i think he is just sure that i am who he thinks i am

I mean, Yosaku and I agreed about who you were, and you said Yosaku knew for sure, so than yeah, I know who you are.

idk.. i subbed in, promised a post, read pages 1-11, fell asleep, then forgot to make a post. next thing i know aj tells me on ps that i won (yay for being carried)

i mean, this account has 10 posts..... including this one and the one above

I wish I could be carried as hard a Umberto and Yosaku carried The Foreman

DAMN IT! You people couldn't have argued it up a little while longer?

The goal was to get 100 posts by the time game ended...but I guess I can extend that to the end of cycle. Lemme post thoughts on how I think each player did...

Yosaku D. - You played really well, personally, and I was blown away at how easily you managed to take over Town. You can't necessarily tell from my first couple of posts, by I fully intended to take a spot as a town leader, and you basically blew me out of the water. Applause.

Uncle Milton - Now that we're not in the game, can you please go back and re-read your Leeku/Luana statements? Now that we can all take a step back? Anyways, you had some really good posts in the early game (i forget was there a milton sub?) but as the game wore on, you wore out, and unfortunately the lack of activity lead to a bad end of game play - asking for someone's permission to lynch makes it seem like you want to lose all responsibility for the lynch if it goes awry, and is extremely scummy - not that it mattered, at that point, but just a tip for next time around.

Umberto I. - I played like shit. I wanted to be at Yosaku level quality with my level of activity and that just didn't happen. I too, like Milton, found my post quality just utterly decimated as the game went on - there wasn't enough activity to even make this game FUN to try and win/outsmart. Also, my lovely partner pointed out a few things I do that make it obvious what my identity is, so that's something else to fix next time. Idk how you all feel, but while I wasn't where I wanted to be, I definitely think I did okay.

The Foreman - Sub 1 can die, Sub 2 can die, Sub 3 can die. You sucked. I was ashamed to have you as a partner. There's, what, one post from you in scumchat? And 8 posts in game? Half of them echoing other thoughts or saying there's a post on the way? Ugh, whomever the 3 were in the slot, I just... sigh.

Ramone R. - You can read through some of the Uncle Milton post, but when the game opened out you really did seem like you were trying, but it just deteriorated because of confirmation bias or whatever else. You tunneled townies very hard, and the only person that can do it that hard and live (as Town, anyway) is Mob Boss. I think you had the laid back playstyle that would've been good for late game pressure, but you just lost it towards the end. Congrats also on being one of only two people I don't believe I've identified yet this game.

Mariss A. - Oh Mariss. Such a failed opportunity with you. Like Austin said, if someone had pressured Yosaku (and possibly myself) we would have crumbled pretty quickly I feel, but I didn't see any of it from you. Every post I read from you was townie, there just wasn't enough activity to get you high enough on people's town lists to be worth anything. A lot of quality Town posts came out of you, but you didn't push the rest of your Town harder enough to follow through on 'em. Or maybe you did, and it's all their faults. Ha! Kudos for being a good player, just with not enough foundation to do anything with it.

Case C. - I'm so, so sorry. You and Mariss would've been the one to make us fall, but we took out your support of weak townies until you had no choice left but to just accept us as your leaders. As always (as I know who you are) I'll compliment you on the quality of your Town play, and just blame this on shit town.

Woodward K. - What in the hell do I even say about this? Sorry you died day 1, but you would've been a mess to deal with later on. If you are who I believe you to be, you would have found some tear or loophole with Yosaku and I and had us dead and buried for it in a matter of a page. Thank god we MLed you early.

Austin M. - Again, my apologies to you, but hats off for being incredibly Townie enough that we felt the need to kill you, but apparently not Townie enough to warrant JK/Doc. I was blown away that the kill went through on you, honestly, but this game would have gone very differently had you lived to see Day 2. Like you said, as game wore on you saw the slips from Yosaku and I (only once you were told) but you would have eventually picked us apart for it. Applause for you, too.

Luana V. - I am so done with you from here to kingdom come. Yours and Leeku's tunnels on eachother were the equivalent of a shitty Twidbo, and that's coming from me. There was so much confirmation bias surrounding the two of you that it made Day 2 onwards an impossibiity to handle. Like Austin said, once that Day 2 lynch flipped, you were doomed because of those tunnels.

Clarissa W. - Oof. I was shocked that you were the Doctor, but looking back on the game there is genuinely nobody else that it could have been. You were flawless in that you were Townie enough to not be lynched and scummy enough that we wanted you kept alive...but only to a point. Eventually, you had to go, and you were further up on the Town list than we wanted. Your posts were of an okay quality, and I think with more motivation and maybe some prods in the right direction you would have done phenomenally.

Leeku O. - See Luana. Also, your rival wrecked you. #sorrynotsorry

Pierre T. - Like I said at the end of Ramone's post, congratulations on being one of two people I don't think I can identify. You, like Clarissa, did a nice job of staying very middle of the pack (not scummy enough to die not townie enough to be lynched; not scummy enough to warrant a JK block [though you were JK] not townie enough to warrant a doctor save). You did an amazing job of hiding the fact that you were a PR, and I think if you'd put your knowledge of blocks/etc. into some your scumhunting, and had some more motivated activity, you could have done really well too.

That's all I have...feel free to debate me on these points or whatever, this is just how I felt about people.

Umberto I. wrote:

Austin M. wrote:

Uncle Milton wrote:Sadly yes, and I know him

he kinda just assumed who i was, i never confirmed but i think he is just sure that i am who he thinks i am

I mean, Yosaku and I agreed about who you were, and you said Yosaku knew for sure, so than yeah, I know who you are.

no, i told you who he was lol

The Foreman wrote:idk.. i subbed  in, promised a post, read pages 1-11, fell asleep, then forgot to make a post. next thing i know aj tells me on ps that i won (yay for being carried)

smh

Uncle Milton wrote:I wish I could be carried as hard a Umberto and Yosaku carried The Foreman

sorry, that simply doesn't happen anymore. Town is rarely ever good, and the only time recently that town wasnt terrible was when Umberto and I were town in the same game (ironic). Maybe if people actually put as much effort into the game as people used to do back when town won a lot, that would change... but you're all so incredibly lazy and/or busy that it just doesn't happen!

Not even joking, nearly every game with a town win has a core of 2-3 active townies. This game had leeku and case(kinda), but umberto and I just drowned them out and that screwed you all.
(Note: 2-3 active townies does not guarantee a town win, it just makes it a lot easier)

i thought ramone was skarmchikora but w/e. idk i just assumed its not my lack of townie or something that didnt protect me, i just think doc wanted to predict maf nightkill and failed. Also i thought clarissa was a really obvious doc, she did everything that a doc would do and so i guessed her first time lol.

This game reminded me of the average league of legends game. One noob getting carried because the rest of my team kept feeding lmao. (and no i try not to be the guy that blames everything on others xD)

i had a feeling clarissa was doc, but it wasnt strong enough for me to bring it up in the chat. We decided to kill her anyways, so I suppose it worked out. I felt like pierre was jailkeeper too, but only right before deadline (nothing hinted at it from his posts, so he did a good job there).