Game 30: Separated Scum

HOWEVER Lila, If you come online and don't post, I will assume that you aren't vig as you had a chance to claim. So don't try any of that shit with me. I will be checking

Hi. Just to respond to Marilyn. Says I am pissing them off for not being active, meanwhile I have been online since I made my first post to work on this. It may have been a few (10) hours, but I've been up all night thinking this post over. Here you go~ JK I was gone way longer than I should have been and even did come back Saturday only to catch up and not post. Your anger was justified.

Titus- Thinking like town, but I agree with what I saw in Nicolette's initial read of him. When I read his initial post

Titus wrote:Well here's what I think. I usually like to scumhunt by putting myself in the mafia's shoes. So here goes: I doubt mafia really wants to lynch anyone day 1. Let's put it this way - it hurts more for them to lose a member than for town to lose a townie (unless vig). So I speculate that they might not lynch at all, or lynch someone that doesn't have plurality. Having said that, I will

She did exactly what you said and lynched someone who didn't have plur. And on such a stupid reason, no less. This felt like it was exactly the type of thing that you would scumread. You explained she didn't trip a scumtell

Titus wrote:Mafias are reluctant to lynch because their lynch are riskier. If anything, Claudina's scummy behavior was "lynching for no reason despite saying it herself that lynches day 1 are bullshit". She never tripped any of my said scumtell. If she for example, said, I find Titus to be scummy because of these reasons YET do not lynch, now THAT's scummy. She did the opposite: lynching without saying why I am scummy. If you read my posts carefully, that is the total opposite of my scumtell.

Can you please show me where in your posts I need to read to see what your scumtell is? Cause unless I missed it, I never saw anything that indicated that this was a scumtell. To me, it felt like a fabricated reason to not lynch Claudina when she so clearly looked scummy (but flipped town). Hell, she looked so scummy the vig even shot her thinking she was. So, I don't see how you thought she wasn't scummy. Then, right after Nicolette brings this point up: Nic

Nicolette wrote:4+5) i feel like marilyn justified herself well enough on unlynching teaque, but that's just me. the fact still stands that you weren't really pushing the marilyn lynch either; you just let your vote stay without commenting much on it and let the plur on amelia go through.

You make a point of re-lynching on Marilyn D2. If you really still scumread her, it would have made more sense to lynch at the start of the day. You endeded D1 with a scumread on her, N1 happened and you cone into D2 without scumreading her until Nicolette reminds you, then you put a lynch on her (Lila has plur at this point, meaning as scum, it would be safe for you to lynch a partner (marilyn) without putting plur on her. How would you know she was scum? Well, you said yourself:

Titus wrote:Another scumtell is a sudden shift of reads. If mafia lynched someone, they might inspect that person, which would reveal whether they are actually mafia or town. Thus, if someone scumreads a person and just mysteriously backs off, it could be worth looking into. This is why a read-list is super important.

. My theory is, you, as scum, read Marilyn D1 and lynched her at a time when Amelia had plur. You inspected her N1 and found her as your partner and didn't bother to lynch her D2 until Nicolette brought up that you didn't and so you used a BS reason to put a lynch back on her (with Lila having plur).

Tl:DR- Possible partners Titus (scumread) with Marilyn (scumread)

Marilyn- This is honestly less so a huge scumread on you as it is reasons it would support my theory that you would be scum with Titus. This read is mostly because of the Titus conclusion I drew, as the only thing I found scummy about you was the fact that made your UL on Teaque (who did not have plur) for no reason (You said he didnt post, but he did. You missed his post, though and thought he was still inactive) and you didn't re-lynch anyone. You explained it as waiting to see what wagons pop up, but you could have done that without ULing and allowing plur to sit wherever.

Without this Titus theory, though, I would townread you. It's mostly just a gut thing, but you have seemed mostly townie to me throughout D2 posts. And your anger at my lack of post feels like a townie thing to do.

This scumpair is possible, but unlikely. Titus could still be scum without Marilyn, so I keep my scumread on him. Neutral read on Marilyn. .

Instead, I have a much higher scumread on one Mr. Linda G. (Thought you looked like a male. On further inspection, you are a female but w/e).

Linda-

Titus wrote:Another scumtell is a sudden shift of reads. If mafia lynched someone, they might inspect that person, which would reveal whether they are actually mafia or town. Thus, if someone scumreads a person and just mysteriously backs off, it could be worth looking into. This is why a read-list is super important.

Meanwhile, linda is the only lynch left on Lila by D1 end. D2 starts and Lila and O.O both make a slip about not knowing mafia set-up.

Linda wrote:1) "What happened to your crusade against Lila C.?"
it was lila z not lila c. now that i have rechecked the player list, i realize i mistook the current lila as someone much prettier, and so i'm confident in my position as the prettiest avatar in game.
2) "Seriously?"
yes. no more questions about the crusade at this time please
3) "But she also slipped, not knowing the mafia don't know each other, isn't that why you're lynching O O.?"
It is, but that happened while I was typing this up, and lila c actually had some good posts yesterday, as compared to O O. who didn't do much of anything, and is now trying to show that he does know things, by correcting her. Literally, his entire D1 was confirm, rand lynch, agree + change lynch. Coming out strong D2 isn't helping O O.'s case, whereas Lila's early D2 posts are an actual continuation of a D1 topic.

Linda wrote:Lila - Been doing good things by keeping the chat alive, and isn't as cute as I am.

His who reason to lynch Lila was a "crusade" based on looks and then D2 comes by and he suddenly ends that crusade to lynch O.O for his slip, while Lila made a bigger one. This fits so much better as a sudden shift of reads. He says that Lila made good posts D1 and that O.O didn't and tells her to keep it up, but as several people pointed out, Lila's D1 posts were pretty useless and haven't gotten better. Meanwhile, Linda's not made an argument since Lila got plur. As O.O pointed out, he's been on Saturday and current last visit is listed as: Last visit : Today at 6:41 am. And so, I have a Scumread on Linda.

Scumread on Lila- Not going to sugarcoat it, I mostly just agree with the current reasons for scumreads on her. A bad slip, lack of good posts, and again, it suits my theory that she and Linda are potential partners. Unlike Marilyn, though, she has no town feelings for me outside of this theory. Sorry to say it, since she's QT af.

For now, Neutral (leaning town) read on O.O. I find nothing overly scummy about him and his posts seem more towny to me than scum. I do, however, need to go back and re-read his stuff again to draw a much harder conclusion.

Nicolette is townread and my strongest one at that. Has made amazing posts since her return and many thought-provoking arguments that helped me to place my scumreads on Linda and Titus.

Neutral Yuzo Obvious reasons.

Neutral (leaning scum) Teaque. Solid posts but seems inconsistent to me. I want to take the time to analyze his posts more tomorrow, but I am rushing this out atm so that I can go to bed. Possible that his lynch on Lila is that he didn't inspect her last night and so is unaware that she is scum with Linda. Linda could know Lila, but Lila doesn't know partners and Teaque could just not know Linda/Lila and making blind reads on them. As a justification to why he could be scum with them.

For now, I view mafia as Linda>Lila>Titus/Teaque>Yuzu>O.O>Nicolette. I am fine with the Lila lynch, and suggest Linda/Teaque as possible vig shots tonight based on Lila's flip (if she is lynched as of this moment).
Lynch Linda A scumread and I don't want to put too much on Lila before she has a chance to defend herself, scummy or not.

Another thought I had. Mafia have the ability to inspect, so it's possible that if they inspect a town player, they will try to make that townie look scummy and lynch them as a misslynch. It gives them a safe lynch and avoids partners. They have options outside of not pluring players, so be aware of that.

I like that on one hand I have Teaque who thinks I lynch Marilyn to save Lila and on the other hand I have Hiroki who thinks I am partnering with Marilyn. Interesting view points in this game.

Posts Incoming!

Hiroki M. wrote:

Titus- Thinking like town, but I agree with what I saw in Nicolette's initial read of him. When I read his initial post

Titus wrote:Well here's what I think. I usually like to scumhunt by putting myself in the mafia's shoes. So here goes: I doubt mafia really wants to lynch anyone day 1. Let's put it this way - it hurts more for them to lose a member than for town to lose a townie (unless vig). So I speculate that they might not lynch at all, or lynch someone that doesn't have plurality. Having said that, I will

She did exactly what you said and lynched someone who didn't have plur. And on such a stupid reason, no less. This felt like it was exactly the type of thing that you would scumread. You explained she didn't trip a scumtell

Titus wrote:Mafias are reluctant to lynch because their lynch are riskier. If anything, Claudina's scummy behavior was "lynching for no reason despite saying it herself that lynches day 1 are bullshit". She never tripped any of my said scumtell. If she for example, said, I find Titus to be scummy because of these reasons YET do not lynch, now THAT's scummy. She did the opposite: lynching without saying why I am scummy. If you read my posts carefully, that is the total opposite of my scumtell.

Can you please show me where in your posts I need to read to see what your scumtell is? Cause unless I missed it, I never saw anything that indicated that this was a scumtell. To me, it felt like a fabricated reason to not lynch Claudina when she so clearly looked scummy (but flipped town). Hell, she looked so scummy the vig even shot her thinking she was. So, I don't see how you thought she wasn't scummy. Then, right after Nicolette brings this point up: Nic

Nicolette wrote:4+5) i feel like marilyn justified herself well enough on unlynching teaque, but that's just me. the fact still stands that you weren't really pushing the marilyn lynch either; you just let your vote stay without commenting much on it and let the plur on amelia go through.

You make a point of re-lynching on Marilyn D2. If you really still scumread her, it would have made more sense to lynch at the start of the day. You endeded D1 with a scumread on her, N1 happened and you cone into D2 without scumreading her until Nicolette reminds you, then you put a lynch on her (Lila has plur at this point, meaning as scum, it would be safe for you to lynch a partner (marilyn) without putting plur on her. How would you know she was scum? Well, you said yourself:

Titus wrote:Another scumtell is a sudden shift of reads. If mafia lynched someone, they might inspect that person, which would reveal whether they are actually mafia or town. Thus, if someone scumreads a person and just mysteriously backs off, it could be worth looking into. This is why a read-list is super important.

. My theory is, you, as scum, read Marilyn D1 and lynched her at a time when Amelia had plur. You inspected her N1 and found her as your partner and didn't bother to lynch her D2 until Nicolette brought up that you didn't and so you used a BS reason to put a lynch back on her (with Lila having plur).

Tl:DR- Possible partners Titus (scumread) with Marilyn (scumread)

Marilyn- This is honestly less so a huge scumread on you as it is reasons it would support my theory that you would be scum with Titus. This read is mostly because of the Titus conclusion I drew, as the only thing I found scummy about you was the fact that made your UL on Teaque (who did not have plur) for no reason (You said he didnt post, but he did. You missed his post, though and thought he was still inactive) and you didn't re-lynch anyone. You explained it as waiting to see what wagons pop up, but you could have done that without ULing and allowing plur to sit wherever.

Without this Titus theory, though, I would townread you. It's mostly just a gut thing, but you have seemed mostly townie to me throughout D2 posts. And your anger at my lack of post feels like a townie thing to do.

This scumpair is possible, but unlikely. Titus could still be scum without Marilyn, so I keep my scumread on him. Neutral read on Marilyn. .

Sure, you could make a point about Claudina lynching me for no reason being scummy. But think about it, was there really a good reason for a mafia to do so? Isn't mafia just as better off not lynching anyone? If Claudina was indeed lynching me to prove "hey I lynched someone!", would it hurt just to explain a little more than just my gut read? I felt she put herself in a scummy position - something mafia wouldn't do. Furthermore, it felt like she genuinely didn't want to lynch anyone. Yes she was reluctant, but would a reluctant mafia tell other people that their lynch is "invalid"? I don't think so. Also at that point in the game, my reaction to her post was more like "Why did she lynch me again? Did she even mentioned me once?" that I just discarded her lynch from my views until she provided reason. Hindsight is 20/20 and sometimes you just don't see obvious thing at that point in time until you come back and look at it. I know this is obviously an illogical answer, but I gave honest thoughts about what I had in mind at that point in time. I am willing to take responsibility of my actions. If my imperfect plays make me scummy, then I will find alternative ways to prove myself.

How is my reasoning on Marilyn BS? You literally gave the same reasoning in your post. Anyways to explain my lynch, I did think she was still scummy. However, my Day 1 lynch was in a way a random vote. I didn't put much effort into pushing her, if she was lynched by plurality then great! But I didn't expect anything to come out of it. I come into Day 2 fresh, thinking there may be better choices than her. I must admit that my lynch on Marilyn was coming from an annoyed reaction. It was more of a "I'm proving my point" lynch than a "I think she is certainly scum". However, I still scumread her so I thought it was fine.

Note: After reading Marilyn's defense, I don't think she is actually that scummy anymore. I'll write it up in another post.

Gonna quote your post and respond to stuff in a sec hiroki but while i remember to say it, you left me out of your mafia ---> town list and i was wondering, and i think some other people will be wondering too, where I fit in there

Marilyn M. wrote:

Titus V. wrote:@Marilyn: If you could quote where you or Nicolette brought up abrupt changes in reads a scum tell, please do so. I am pretty sure I read all of the posts. Furthermore, it's not that you unlynch - but the reason you gave after. You said you unlynched when you made your mind which wagon to join. However, you didn't - you just unlynched teaque for well, no good reason since you didn't bother lynching anyone else until Amelia just to save yourself. That fits my scumtell.

What I'm getting from this is that you think I unlynched, and say for ages holding my lynch when I could be lynching
I unlynched with the intention of reading later posts before casting my vote, it just happened that the next time I came online I was nearly being lynched so I had to lynch Amelia to save myself.

I found this post to be convincing enough. I find this endeavor to be quite meaningless as everyone seem to think you provided enough reason. I just find it a little weird you would need to unlynch Teaque while waiting for future posts. Also, thanks for quoting where you have said about abrupt changes. I have missed that posts, and it does make me feel that you are not as scummy. Unlynch Marilyn

Marilyn M. wrote:Gonna quote your post and respond to stuff in a sec hiroki but while i remember to say it, you left me out of your mafia ---> town list and i was wondering, and i think some other people will be wondering too, where I fit in there

Scumslip confirmed!!! Hiroki - Marilyn are scum partners!!! /s

Hiroki M. wrote:
Titus- Thinking like town, but I agree with what I saw in Nicolette's initial read of him. When I read his initial post

Nicolette wrote:4+5) i feel like marilyn justified herself well enough on unlynching teaque, but that's just me. the fact still stands that you weren't really pushing the marilyn lynch either; you just let your vote stay without commenting much on it and let the plur on amelia go through.

You make a point of re-lynching on Marilyn D2. If you really still scumread her, it would have made more sense to lynch at the start of the day. You endeded D1 with a scumread on her, N1 happened and you cone into D2 without scumreading her until Nicolette reminds you, then you put a lynch on her (Lila has plur at this point, meaning as scum, it would be safe for you to lynch a partner (marilyn) without putting plur on her. How would you know she was scum? Well, you said yourself:

Titus wrote:Another scumtell is a sudden shift of reads. If mafia lynched someone, they might inspect that person, which would reveal whether they are actually mafia or town. Thus, if someone scumreads a person and just mysteriously backs off, it could be worth looking into. This is why a read-list is super important.

. My theory is, you, as scum, read Marilyn D1 and lynched her at a time when Amelia had plur. You inspected her N1 and found her as your partner and didn't bother to lynch her D2 until Nicolette brought up that you didn't and so you used a BS reason to put a lynch back on her (with Lila having plur).

Tl:DR- Possible partners Titus (scumread) with Marilyn (scumread)

Instead, I have a much higher scumread on one Mr. Linda G. (Thought you looked like a male. On further inspection, you are a female but w/e).

Linda-

Titus wrote:Another scumtell is a sudden shift of reads. If mafia lynched someone, they might inspect that person, which would reveal whether they are actually mafia or town. Thus, if someone scumreads a person and just mysteriously backs off, it could be worth looking into. This is why a read-list is super important.

Meanwhile, linda is the only lynch left on Lila by D1 end. D2 starts and Lila and O.O both make a slip about not knowing mafia set-up.

Linda wrote:1) "What happened to your crusade against Lila C.?"
it was lila z not lila c. now that i have rechecked the player list, i realize i mistook the current lila as someone much prettier, and so i'm confident in my position as the prettiest avatar in game.
2) "Seriously?"
yes. no more questions about the crusade at this time please
3) "But she also slipped, not knowing the mafia don't know each other, isn't that why you're lynching O O.?"
It is, but that happened while I was typing this up, and lila c actually had some good posts yesterday, as compared to O O. who didn't do much of anything, and is now trying to show that he does know things, by correcting her. Literally, his entire D1 was confirm, rand lynch, agree + change lynch. Coming out strong D2 isn't helping O O.'s case, whereas Lila's early D2 posts are an actual continuation of a D1 topic.

Linda wrote:Lila - Been doing good things by keeping the chat alive, and isn't as cute as I am.

His who reason to lynch Lila was a "crusade" based on looks and then D2 comes by and he suddenly ends that crusade to lynch O.O for his slip, while Lila made a bigger one. This fits so much better as a sudden shift of reads. He says that Lila made good posts D1 and that O.O didn't and tells her to keep it up, but as several people pointed out, Lila's D1 posts were pretty useless and haven't gotten better. Meanwhile, Linda's not made an argument since Lila got plur. As O.O pointed out, he's been on Saturday and current last visit is listed as: Last visit : Today at 6:41 am. And so, I have a Scumread on Linda.



For now, Neutral (leaning town) read on O.O. I find nothing overly scummy about him and his posts seem more towny to me than scum. I do, however, need to go back and re-read his stuff again to draw a much harder conclusion.

Nicolette is townread and my strongest one at that. Has made amazing posts since her return and many thought-provoking arguments that helped me to place my scumreads on Linda and Titus.

Neutral Yuzo Obvious reasons.

Neutral (leaning scum) Teaque. Solid posts but seems inconsistent to me. I want to take the time to analyze his posts more tomorrow, but I am rushing this out atm so that I can go to bed. Possible that his lynch on Lila is that he didn't inspect her last night and so is unaware that she is scum with Linda. Linda could know Lila, but Lila doesn't know partners and Teaque could just not know Linda/Lila and making blind reads on them. As a justification to why he could be scum with them.

For now, I view mafia as Linda>Lila>Titus/Teaque>Yuzu>O.O>Nicolette. I am fine with the Lila lynch, and suggest Linda/Teaque as possible vig shots tonight based on Lila's flip (if she is lynched as of this moment).
Lynch Linda A scumread and I don't want to put too much on Lila before she has a chance to defend herself, scummy or not.

Another thought I had. Mafia have the ability to inspect, so it's possible that if they inspect a town player, they will try to make that townie look scummy and lynch them as a misslynch. It gives them a safe lynch and avoids partners. They have options outside of not pluring players, so be aware of that.

Titus lynched me fairly early in the day. People shouldnt be expected to jump straight back onto their day 1 lynches immediately once day began, so i'd say your part on Titus has some stuff but the stuff I didnt delete (to make it shorter before you start accusing me of anything) is null
It's true what you said about the unlynching thing on me, so I'll leave it at that as there is no reason to argue about it
Knowing that Linda was on today annoys me as i really want to know her opinion. However, she could well be making large post just as you yourself were.
You basically agreed with everyone else when it comes to Lila, which isnt a problem, so i dont have anything to say about that
One thing that gives me a towny vibe about you is that you didnt follow the rest of us and scumread O.O
You used your scumhunting to work it out and i like that
Same thing with TQ
And as I mentioned in the post above, slot me in your scum to town list bby

Titus V. wrote:

Sure, you could make a point about Claudina lynching me for no reason being scummy. But think about it, was there really a good reason for a mafia to do so? Isn't mafia just as better off not lynching anyone? If Claudina was indeed lynching me to prove "hey I lynched someone!", would it hurt just to explain a little more than just my gut read? I felt she put herself in a scummy position - something mafia wouldn't do. Furthermore, it felt like she genuinely didn't want to lynch anyone. Yes she was reluctant, but would a reluctant mafia tell other people that their lynch is "invalid"? I don't think so. Also at that point in the game, my reaction to her post was more like "Why did she lynch me again? Did she even mentioned me once?" that I just discarded her lynch from my views until she provided reason. Hindsight is 20/20 and sometimes you just don't see obvious thing at that point in time until you come back and look at it. I know this is obviously an illogical answer, but I gave honest thoughts about what I had in mind at that point in time. I am willing to take responsibility of my actions. If my imperfect plays make me scummy, then I will find alternative ways to prove myself.

How is my reasoning on Marilyn BS? You literally gave the same reasoning in your post. Anyways to explain my lynch, I did think she was still scummy. However, my Day 1 lynch was in a way a random vote. I didn't put much effort into pushing her, if she was lynched by plurality then great! But I didn't expect anything to come out of it. I come into Day 2 fresh, thinking there may be better choices than her. I must admit that my lynch on Marilyn was coming from an annoyed reaction. It was more of a "I'm proving my point" lynch than a "I think she is certainly scum". However, I still scumread her so I thought it was fine.

Note: After reading Marilyn's defense, I don't think she is actually that scummy anymore. I'll write it up in another post.

???
I scumread her
I dont think she is scummy

The rest of this post seems well written to me and I agree with what you said

Marilyn M. wrote:

Titus V. wrote:

However, I still scumread her so I thought it was fine.

Note: After reading Marilyn's defense, I don't think she is actually that scummy anymore. I'll write it up in another post.

???
I scumread her
I dont think she is scummy

The rest of this post seems well written to me and I agree with what you said

What I meant is at the time I lynched you, I still find you scummy. However, as of now, I no longer think that you are the best candidate to be lynched. (hence the "anymore")

oh sorry it was past tense of read that confused me mb

Linda>Lila>Titus/Teaque>Yuzu>Marilyn>O.O>Nicolette.

Updated list to include Marilyn. Even though I have a situational scumread on her with Titus, I still feel like on her own she is far more towny than scummy, so I put her in the town side >true neutral Yuzu.

Also, I'm hoping to see more thoughts on the possible Linda x Lila read while we wait for him to reply. ("He" As I am pretty sure Linda is actually still a male).

Hiroki actually brings up a really good point RE: Linda/Lila that I hadn't noticed whatsoever.
What i find interesting, though, is that Hiroki points out lila's bad slip as a reason for her to be scumread but doesn't mention my bad slip at all in my (admittedly short) read.
I think titus is defending himself well from varied arguments and while I still do think the theory on him being scum due to the claudina lynch has some merit, im still pretty convinced that it's not right and that it doesn't really prove titus's alignment in any way.

I've actually got a question for Teaque: If you could rank people from scum>town like Hiroki did, how would you do it? (If the percentages thing counts for that, sorry, i'll check that and try and figure out what the list is based on that)

Im going to do that too

Scum to town: Lila, O.O, Linda, Titus, Yuzo, TQ, Nicolette, Hiroki

Sorry to say that I cannot finish my read list at the moment, but expect one before deadline - perhaps around 14-15 hours from now.

O O. wrote:Hiroki actually brings up a really good point RE: Linda/Lila that I hadn't noticed whatsoever.
What i find interesting, though, is that Hiroki points out lila's bad slip as a reason for her to be scumread but doesn't mention my bad slip at all in my (admittedly short) read.
I think titus is defending himself well from varied arguments and while I still do think the theory on him being scum due to the claudina lynch has some merit, im still pretty convinced that it's not right and that it doesn't really prove titus's alignment in any way.

I've actually got a question for Teaque: If you could rank people from scum>town like Hiroki did, how would you do it? (If the percentages thing counts for that, sorry, i'll check that and try and figure out what the list is based on that)

My reads have changed since the start of day 2 to now, so this is a fair question O O.

Lila, O O.,Yuzo, Titus, Hiroki, Marilyn, Nicolette, Linda

As soon as Hiroki posts his thoughts on me, I'll just do an overall cleanup post detailing others thoughts on me, my thoughts on everyone else, and the game progression so far. [I'll also use the post to clarify questions you have on this list, so please make sure to ask them]

Teaque, your readlist intriguess me
mainly, why is Yuzo so high, and linda so low

i'm going against the grain and doing town>scum because im having a hard time finding people who i can definitively say have done something that I want to push them for (was gonna push hiroki for not posting after he said he would but he did it overnight so +1 to him)
nicolette>hiroki>titus>marilyn>teaque>yuzo>linda
you may notice lila isn't on there, and that's because i want to read one more time through the entire thread before making my judgment on her (given that most of the discussion has centered around her today)

Votecount 2.3
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Lila C.(3)- Marilyn M., Nicolette D., Teaque Q.
O O.(1)- Linda G.
Marilyn M.(1)- Titus V.
Linda G.(1)- Hiroki M.
Titus V.(0)-
Teaque Q.(0)-
Yuzo K.(0)-
Hiroki M.(0)-
Nicolette D.(0)-
Not Voting(3)- Yuzo K., Lila C., O O.
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There are 9 alive so it takes 5 to hammer. Plurality applies.
Deadline is Tuesday the 4th at 9pm EST.

If the deadline was now, Lila C. would be lynched.

Something I should probably mention- Mafia's wincon is not "You win when the number of Mafia is equal to half of the players alive, and nothing can stop that from happening", and instead just "You win when the number of Mafia is equal to half of the players alive". This means regardless of what roles are alive, if it gets to 50% Mafia/50% Town, Mafia wins.

omgggg I told myself I would be active this time but I was busy all weekend and AJ kept reminding me to check anon at the worst possible times so I blame him.
I did read/skim through everything and I have a few comments on things that I will continue in following posts

Hiroki M. wrote:
Nicolette is townread and my strongest one at that. Has made amazing posts since her return and many thought-provoking arguments that helped me to place my scumreads on Linda and Titus.

^Idk if thats gonna turn out right when I post this but lets go

So my biggest concern with this is how you can read someone as town just because they make thought provoking arguments. I feel like we end up town reading too many mafia who are just active and post good things. Not saying that Nicolette is scum cause she might very well be town and we shouldn't lynch her if she's contributing useful info but I'm saying thats not a good reason to town read someone and even temporarily cut out the possibility of them being scum because thats happened too many times in past games where we trust the town leader who just makes good arguments but they're actually just a very active mafia. I don't believe we'll fall into that trap again this game since everyone seems moderately active at least buuuuuut we do need to be more careful with town reads.

Similarly with Titus, very good thought provoking posts like everyone is saying but not a valid reason to assume they're town. We need to look more into the motives behind the posts before.[/color]

ok sorry I legit forgot about this / had exams

I'm vig get off please, shot Claudina last night.

^^^^^^^^

I was just about to say I doubt mafia would be stupid enough to pretend like they didn't know that mafia didn't know their partners so I was kind of skeptical of this lynch.

On the other hand she could be trying to fish out the real vig but I doubt it from her plays. If there is a counterclaim, now would be a good time to do it though.

I will be incapable of continuing this game until after the fourth of july. If AJ would like to attempt to sub me out so that this slot is filled for the remainder of day phase, I will allow it. However I will be back immediately following the holiday, and from there can continue my policy of Going Hard and Winning The Game for town.

unlynch O O. so that I don't idle my way into messing up a lynch (even though he's scum). Also, I'm not vigilante