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Kuroyo C. wrote:Yeah i'm not that good at playing scum. But what I can see is a lot of you being jealous :/ just calm down imo

You actually did better than you think. If almost everyone didn't want to shoot you, Zane might have been given the gun instead of Shakuji. Also, the fact that you survived to the end means that, sure, we suspected you, but you weren't scummy enough for town to really do anything about it. Or something to that effect.

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Numaji O. wrote:
Kimimaro D. wrote:I honestly have to say (sorry if I can't post this since still alive in the other game, AJ delete if that's the case) bravo to the mafia in this game, you all played very well. gg all~

Ikr Kuroyo was just pro, like no one suspected her.

God damn it Numaji, that actually made me laugh. xD

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Zane M. wrote:also i blame aj's timing of the no corruption on LYLO post. It really made me doubt Victoria 100%. he pseudo confirmed her. Why didnt you post that at the beginning of the day aj... we told you before day started that you shouldnt have corrupts on LYLO... smh

People were talking about it in the mafia room at one point, but I hoped someone else would mention it because I didn't want to seem like the only one that had noticed it. It probably wouldn't have helped my case.

~~Not that I helped my case much.~~

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Zane M. wrote:
Shakuji L. wrote:My question is why doesn't The Gentleman fit into either of your two possible scum teams, Numaji?

He did late vote Zane yesterday, and could have been a potential corrupt play. Though he would have to do some crazy explaining if that went through and Zane died to corruption.

Also, as far as the Numaji shot goes, whether or not he he said he would shoot Jack is irrelevant. The fact is that he shot a townie during Mylo vs. shooting a mafia in Mylo. In the latter world Numaji would pretty much be confirmed town at this point because of the fact that mafia do not want to bus in this scenario, it's lylo and if not for the corruption change it would have been very easy for mafia to win today. That isn't to say he is mafia, I'm just saying why he wouldn't/shouldn't bus yesterday night. (So no one should really humor the world where he could have bussed)

Again, I'm really curious as to why The Gentleman couldn't fit onto any of your scum teams. This could very well be an attempt to hide a Numaji + The Gentleman + ??? team. Of course, this is just speculation.

Who do you think would be the third person to that scum team?

Victoria F. wrote:My current theory is that Numaji is partnered with Kuroyo. However, the issue with this theory is, that with every piece of evidence I find for it, there's almost always another one to knock it down.
However, if you take Numaji's shot, and all of his evidence, and his reasoning for the shot, and his endless mindgames, it actually works. He gave his whole speech on why he shot Jack instead of Kuroyo, but, since Numaji's a really smart player, he shot Jack, and is now trying to confirm me as being in a scumteam with Kuroyo. That way, he literally doesn't look like he's partnered with Kuroyo at all, and he isn't even trying to make Kuroyo seem innocent. All he needs to do is get her through the day, and, he even has a backup plan. What if Kuroyo doesn't make it through the day? Well, she would show up as mafia, which would add something more concrete to Numaji's plan. However, the backup plan would still require a bit of work, but knowing Numaji, he could get away with it. I think his plan is to try and make Kuroyo out to be the smallest threat in his scumteam of choice, so that either me or Morita would end up being shot, and act like Kuroyo could be shot at a later date, when in reality, mafia would win.
^This theory only works if you already think that Numaji is mafia.

Also, on a side note:
Numaji O. wrote:
Victoria F. wrote:
Numaji O. wrote:
ajhockeystar wrote:After some deliberation, no more lylo corruptions, yay! Otherwise it's auto mafia win in lylo if they vote fast enough, so... Yeah.

Does this confirm that what Victoria was doing was a fast corruption lynch?

I thought you'd say that, but I took the risk anyway. I was really worried that mafia might go for a quicklynch on the corrupted, so I tried to get a lynch off before they could, on somebody I didn't think was corrupted.
I stand by my vote on Zane, though.

I am going to disregard the fact AJ "confirmed" Victoria's fast corruption lynch. My case will not depend on weak interpretations like that. There could be many reasons as to why AJ placed that new rule now eg. someone could have told him, he could have seen it happen in another mod exe game, etc. The sky is the limit here. However this does not rule out the fact Victoria did a fast corruption lynch.

Numaji, you told me to ask whenever I was confused about something. So uh... What does this post mean?
"I'm going to disregard Victoria's fast corruption lynch, but I'm not going to forget that Victoria did a fast corruption lynch."
What I think this means is that you're not going to take it as any sort of evidence, but you're also not going to forget it happened. I just want to check if that's what you mean though.

Ummm. That's pretty much the same thing you've been doing THE WHOLE GAME. Yet you are calling him out for that? Hypocrite much? At last that's what this appears to be. 1

Victoria F. wrote:In light of a new idea I have, and because my paranoia is going crazy right now:

Unlynch Zane

I'm pretty sure that this is just me being really paranoid about it being LyLo, but it just occurred to me while writing my last post that Zane and Numaji could actually be a really good scumteam.
Numaji's a good player. I'm pretty sure he's mafia, but I haven't been able to find much to back it up, but, even if you don't think he's mafia, you have to admit, if he was, would he really leave much lying around to make it obvious?
I think #NumajivZane might have been a play to make them seem like they aren't affiliated with one another, so that if one gets shot and flips mafia, the other immediately seems clear. Initially, I felt like the fight had been dropped because both of them had found out everything they needed to, and, I actually felt like that until about five minutes ago, which is why I think this is just paranoia.
But, Numaji and Zane have been much more "with" each other since then. Like, they actually defend each other now. What is this madness?
The thing that gave me the idea was when Zane said that Numaji really didn't fit in with any Scumteam, except one with Zane in it.
Zane.
Are you trying to make me paranoid? ;-;
I'm not going to try to defend this one, because I don't really believe in it myself. I'm just really paranoid right now.

Annnnnd there it is folks. The vote that makes me believe that Victoria is 100% Scum. She quick lynches me in the beginning of the day, probably trying to get a quick hammer on me. It's already a scummy moveas I've stated earlier. She also wants us topretty much disregard corruption. ANOTHER scummy move. Aj then reveals that there is no corruption in LYLO... then she does some backtracking and tries to not look scummy. "oh imma keep my lynch on Zane", waits a little bit then unlynches me with the oldest trick in the book "paranoia." This is Grade A scum right here and unless we give the gun to the mafia, We wont be in LYLO anymore. 2

Also I take offense that you dont believe Im a good player. I think I'm a good player and as for the nice girl you have been this whole time, you turned to a whole new level of rudeness by not even acknowledging my skills as a player. 3

The whole purpose of that post wasnt to say that Numa didnt fit with any scum teams... It was to say that I didnt fit with any scumteams. You say Numaji+Zane is a scum team... ok so you thought of another possibility... great except how bout you put more behind who your thoughts. Your main arguement is that Zane vs Numaji could have been to trick you. Well then Zane vs Instructor could have ben the same or Zane (who was kinda drowned out) vs Kuyoro (if i messed up spelling sorry) could have been a trick too. 4

Your other arguement is that I have defended him a lot. I defended you too didnt I so does that make you and me scum no? I defended Jack a lot, does that make me and Jack a scum team? No. I defended Morita a good amount. Still doesnt make us scum team. I also defended Shak a lot. Hmmm oh yeah negative on scum team. 5

Also, I explained in an earlier post why the Numaji+Zane scum team wouldnt work anyways. It would take +3 prediction skills. So how bout you give me a FULL scum team insted of a partial one, with reasons why it could work, which i will demean without too much trouble. If you cant think of something give the gun back to me, that way I may be inclined to not have you shot. 6

I just dont see him as scum. You on the other hand... Well, I shoulda listened to Kakuri back when I had the gun and shot you. 7

Honestly a more likely scum team would have been you and me, and unless you are scum... I will leave it there.

1 I wasn't calling him out on it, I just wanted to make sure that was what he meant.

2 If I actually had been trying to get a quickhammer on you, wouldn't there have been many other ways to do it? Such as, trying to convince town you were the right choice, or something? Other than saying that, I can't defend that action any further. I took a risk, thought you were town, and hoped you weren't corrupted.
I feel like my explanation of corruption wasn't fully understood. It was more a case of "We can't do anything about corruption, the best we can do is hope. We need reads today, we have to make a final verdict.".
Unless AJ tells us himself why he got rid of corruption, I can say literally nothing on that front. It was just unlucky that I happened to be the only one who had placed a vote before he declared that.
I also can't defend that last bit, really. It looks really scummy, I have no way out of that. The best I can do is say that it's entirely coincidental.

3 I'm genuinely sorry for this. Like, not even just in this game, I'm sorry for this as a person, and I feel bad. I was only analysing Numaji, but I'm still sorry.

4 I'm not going to put more thought into it, because I don't believe in it, as I said. I wanted to explain my paranoia, and why I was no longer lynching you, so that it didn't look completely random, (which it apparently did anyway,) but I don't actually have any faith in that concept.

5 That was more a case of me saying that it's changed so much. It wasn't really in there as an argument.

6 I know that this isn't going to win me any favours with you, but I'm not going to lynch you. If you shoot me, this game will end, and I'll never forgive myself, because town will have lost because of me. There's still a chance, and I don't want that chance to be ruined by a few sketchy plays.

7 I can't tell you how much of me is wishing you'd done that. If I had been shot at a less crucial point, I wouldn't have been as much of a pain today.

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In light of a new idea I have, and because my paranoia is going crazy right now:

Unlynch Zane

I'm pretty sure that this is just me being really paranoid about it being LyLo, but it just occurred to me while writing my last post that Zane and Numaji could actually be a really good scumteam.
Numaji's a good player. I'm pretty sure he's mafia, but I haven't been able to find much to back it up, but, even if you don't think he's mafia, you have to admit, if he was, would he really leave much lying around to make it obvious?
I think #NumajivZane might have been a play to make them seem like they aren't affiliated with one another, so that if one gets shot and flips mafia, the other immediately seems clear. Initially, I felt like the fight had been dropped because both of them had found out everything they needed to, and, I actually felt like that until about five minutes ago, which is why I think this is just paranoia.
But, Numaji and Zane have been much more "with" each other since then. Like, they actually defend each other now. What is this madness?
The thing that gave me the idea was when Zane said that Numaji really didn't fit in with any Scumteam, except one with Zane in it.
Zane.
Are you trying to make me paranoid? ;-;
I'm not going to try to defend this one, because I don't really believe in it myself. I'm just really paranoid right now.

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My current theory is that Numaji is partnered with Kuroyo. However, the issue with this theory is, that with every piece of evidence I find for it, there's almost always another one to knock it down.
However, if you take Numaji's shot, and all of his evidence, and his reasoning for the shot, and his endless mindgames, it actually works. He gave his whole speech on why he shot Jack instead of Kuroyo, but, since Numaji's a really smart player, he shot Jack, and is now trying to confirm me as being in a scumteam with Kuroyo. That way, he literally doesn't look like he's partnered with Kuroyo at all, and he isn't even trying to make Kuroyo seem innocent. All he needs to do is get her through the day, and, he even has a backup plan. What if Kuroyo doesn't make it through the day? Well, she would show up as mafia, which would add something more concrete to Numaji's plan. However, the backup plan would still require a bit of work, but knowing Numaji, he could get away with it. I think his plan is to try and make Kuroyo out to be the smallest threat in his scumteam of choice, so that either me or Morita would end up being shot, and act like Kuroyo could be shot at a later date, when in reality, mafia would win.
^This theory only works if you already think that Numaji is mafia.

Also, on a side note:

Numaji O. wrote:
Victoria F. wrote:
Numaji O. wrote:
ajhockeystar wrote:After some deliberation, no more lylo corruptions, yay! Otherwise it's auto mafia win in lylo if they vote fast enough, so... Yeah.

Does this confirm that what Victoria was doing was a fast corruption lynch?

I thought you'd say that, but I took the risk anyway. I was really worried that mafia might go for a quicklynch on the corrupted, so I tried to get a lynch off before they could, on somebody I didn't think was corrupted.
I stand by my vote on Zane, though.

I am going to disregard the fact AJ "confirmed" Victoria's fast corruption lynch. My case will not depend on weak interpretations like that. There could be many reasons as to why AJ placed that new rule now eg. someone could have told him, he could have seen it happen in another mod exe game, etc. The sky is the limit here. However this does not rule out the fact Victoria did a fast corruption lynch.

Numaji, you told me to ask whenever I was confused about something. So uh... What does this post mean?
"I'm going to disregard Victoria's fast corruption lynch, but I'm not going to forget that Victoria did a fast corruption lynch."
What I think this means is that you're not going to take it as any sort of evidence, but you're also not going to forget it happened. I just want to check if that's what you mean though.

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Numaji O. wrote:
ajhockeystar wrote:After some deliberation, no more lylo corruptions, yay! Otherwise it's auto mafia win in lylo if they vote fast enough, so... Yeah.

Does this confirm that what Victoria was doing was a fast corruption lynch?

I thought you'd say that, but I took the risk anyway. I was really worried that mafia might go for a quicklynch on the corrupted, so I tried to get a lynch off before they could, on somebody I didn't think was corrupted.
I stand by my vote on Zane, though.

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Numaji O. wrote:Thats pretty much what I was saying in Day 4, but now I have my reads and I am pretty confident in them. So I want to focus more on corruption because its much more critical than yesterday.

Well, we've got two different plans of action then. Hopefully we won't interfere with one another.

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Numaji O. wrote:
Victoria F. wrote:Lynch Zane

OK, so we need to do this quickly. If we don't lynch soon, it'll be really easy for mafia to get a plurality on one of their members, since not many people have been lynching this game. Mafia could also very easily get a lynch on whoever's corrupted. Each town member has a 2 in 3 chance of lynching someone that will make mafia win (since three mafia, one corrupted, and can't lynch self), so no matter how out there and gutsy a move may seem, it has to be made.
I'm personally lynching Zane because, due to the current ratio of 3:4, I have an intense paranoia that anyone could be mafia. However, I trust Zane enough for this possibly final shot, and it's honestly too late to worry about corruption. Like, I mean, we still need to worry about it, but if we spend a whole day discussing it, we won't actually get anything done.

Now, onto discussing Numaji's choice of shot, I do of course want him to explain, but I'm also going to post my ~~possibly biased~~ view.

I say I think Numaji and Jack started out against each other, so that it would look less suspicious when they got heavy town reads on each other. In order to disprove this, Numaji shot Jack, proving that they aren't working together.
Despite my views on Numaji, that could actually be a town play. If he thinks Jack's trying to team up with him, and then Jack turns out to be mafia, Numaji would look scummier. Turns out that it was just a town giving a view though...
I still think that Numaji's mafia though. Everyone should vote for someone to get the gun, and say who they would shoot if they had it, and that'll give us more information about what people think.

So I'm voting for Zane to get the gun, and I really want to shoot Numaji.

I disagree that we cant think about corruption...its LYLO meaning if we get it wrong, we lose. Are you rushing because you want to get the plurality lynch against Zane who is corrupted maybe? Me and Jack never started out against each other....at all. Jack was supporting me day 1.
Victoria F. wrote:Whoah, I got sniped by Numaji.

rekt

If there's one thing I've discovered in this game, it's that I have terrible word choice.
I never said we shouldn't think about it, more that... ugh, it makes sense to me, but I can't really explain it well. It's like, it'd be really easy for the majority of the day to be spent talking about corruption, when this day really needs to be spent on other things. It would also be easy enough for a person to just post a list of who they think is corrupted, and say little for the rest of the day. We should think about corruption in our own time, and only point it out if we think somebody's voted for someone who's very obviously corrupted, in their minds. Other than that, just... Don't vote for people who you think are corrupted.
We don't need corruption lists today. We need reads.

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Whoah, I got sniped by Numaji.

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Lynch Zane

OK, so we need to do this quickly. If we don't lynch soon, it'll be really easy for mafia to get a plurality on one of their members, since not many people have been lynching this game. Mafia could also very easily get a lynch on whoever's corrupted. Each town member has a 2 in 3 chance of lynching someone that will make mafia win (since three mafia, one corrupted, and can't lynch self), so no matter how out there and gutsy a move may seem, it has to be made.
I'm personally lynching Zane because, due to the current ratio of 3:4, I have an intense paranoia that anyone could be mafia. However, I trust Zane enough for this possibly final shot, and it's honestly too late to worry about corruption. Like, I mean, we still need to worry about it, but if we spend a whole day discussing it, we won't actually get anything done.

Now, onto discussing Numaji's choice of shot, I do of course want him to explain, but I'm also going to post my ~~possibly biased~~ view.

I say I think Numaji and Jack started out against each other, so that it would look less suspicious when they got heavy town reads on each other. In order to disprove this, Numaji shot Jack, proving that they aren't working together.
Despite my views on Numaji, that could actually be a town play. If he thinks Jack's trying to team up with him, and then Jack turns out to be mafia, Numaji would look scummier. Turns out that it was just a town giving a view though...
I still think that Numaji's mafia though. Everyone should vote for someone to get the gun, and say who they would shoot if they had it, and that'll give us more information about what people think.

So I'm voting for Zane to get the gun, and I really want to shoot Numaji.

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The Gentleman wrote:I'm not done catching up yet. I am currently reading through page 26.
Reasons why I am not done yet:
You guys made a lot of lengthy posts.
I have IRL stuff like preparing for vacation and a list of chores to do every day (yeah yeah not a good excuse w/e)
I am an extreme procrastinator.

I think in an hour or so I will be done reading through everything.

Also, I will try to post throughout my vacation but I will not be as active as I would like to be.

It has taken many hours to read and think about all of these posts.

I'm sorry, please forgive me for delaying for so long, I know it's not conducive to a good game and I feel guilty about it.

HE'S ALIVE!
Well, it's good that you're actually here. The fact that you aren't just lurking is reassuring, as late as it may be. Hopefully this won't be like the last The Gentleman, who said he'd be more active and then disappeared.
However, the fact that you'll be done soon means that we'll finally get something from you.
Of course, there's also always the possibility that you read the fact that we were talking about you lurking and how we wouldn't shoot you, and you've decided to respond so that you don't seem so bad, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt.

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Zane M. wrote:
Zane M. wrote:
Numaji O. wrote:I guess its good thinking to shoot someone in order to get more info about other people. But since your reads about me and victoria havent changed that much, I am guessing the info that you got from kakuri's death wasnt sufficient?

yeah. I dont have anything concrete as of right now. If she flipped scum, I woulda had a better read. It's like shakuji said before about shooting an active townie. You can get a plethora of info if they flip scum. Who supported them, who was against them, so on so forth. However you barely get any info from a townie death. All you are left with is their reads which arent all that reliable.

I will still have my eye on Numaji though, because even though he supported a townie and vice versa, he isnt automatically ruled out as scum. That being said, I am also looking at everyone else around here. Tbh I'm looking really closely at The Instructor, who I was leaning the most towards shooting last night if I didnt shoot Kakuri. Honestly if Kakuri had remained quiet and wasnt supported by Numaji, I woulda shot The Instructor.

I did reply. Just not directly to you, but I answered your question. Maybe you missed it.

OK, fair enough, my bad. For whatever reason that knowledge went in, just not the fact that it had answered my question. Sorry about that.

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Zane M. wrote:STOP! READING TIME!!!!!

Zane : Scummyness? Nope there's none here. This guy is clean as a whistle. No threshold for there to be a miniscule error. Not even a factor so small to the equation, that it could be considered neligible. Zane is completely 100% Town. (This shall be the ONLY % value I will do lol. I hate percentages.)

Just for references sake. Confirmed anything is 100% that. Null/neutral is obviously 50% Slight lean is anywhere from 10 to 20% away from null. (faction) lean, or heavy lean is anywhere from 25-40% away from null. Only putting this here because it seems to me you guys love them percentages.

Also note with TI flipping town, I am still at a loss for some of my reads.

Numaji : At this point, this guy is a complete mystery to me. Hes gone from a town read D1 to a Scum Read, to a full on Null Read, heading into slight town lean territory, but not fully there yet. So he's Null. I understand him better now and I can definitely see he is trying his best to help town. Like me, he's (kinda) incited his own wars to get better reads on others, namely me and Victoria. He makes good points often, but often fails to get them through. This leads to misunderstandings. He gets aggressive when on the defensive which is a negative to him, but he's usually able to defend himself. He's slightly jumpy but not too much that I would think its scummy. He's contradicted himself a few times, but I'm pretty sure most of us here have done that too by now. Originally a disbeliever in the disappearing posts, but he seems to have let it go. The bulk of my scum read on him came from his aggressiveness towards me D2 during the Numaji vs Zane incident. However, as his activity was prized, and the fact that I didnt want to make a rash decision, I chose to spare his life. We have since dropped our war on each other, since neither of us made the effort to continue it. There were a few instances where I believed he was buddying, however they have since been disproven.

Shakuji : Shakuji was the first person to get the gun, starting the whole shoot the person who voted you trend and the everyone who gets the gun shoots a townie trend. He explains himself well and thoroughly, with little to no room for error. He usually posts about once or twice a day, and his activity has been constant. Little to no noticeabe filler. Shakuji is the type of person to think first before going into the line of fire. He isnt the type to rush into something without thinking. He has definitely been a valuable asset to us. However, one has to wonder if he's just a REALLY good mafia. That being said, Shakuji is a heavy town lean to me.

Morita: Hmmm. Morita. Apparently he was scummy D1 to most people, but I saw him as pretty null back then. I should review D1 though to see if that has altered with my enhanced knowledge. D1, after I had mentioned my first disappearing post, which I believe was in reply to Numaji about RLing, he mentioned having a disappearing post. I never noticed this and neither did most of town, heck most of town didnt really pay mind to the first time I said my post disappeared. D2 I started to get a scum lean on him, when he was defending me by saying that it had happened to him too, but that was because I hadn't seen him say anything about it. I thought it was him trying to create a pseudo-scum team. It didnt help his case when TI said the same thing too. However by the end of D2, I started leaning more towards a town lean on him. D3 was the Zane vs TI incident. He also believed TI was scummy, but when TI began to contribute more, he became hesitant about shooting himl. His choice was really between TI and TG-the guy who had just subbed in and had yet to say anything. We all gave TG the benefit of doubt and so he shot TI. We never really questioned his shot though. We all kinda accepted that shot. The TI flip can help build his case towards being townie, but at the same rate it can not. First off, he was hesitant. (Option 1: He didnt want to shoot someone contributing-townie. Option 2: Damage Control. He knew TI was town, but wanted to not look so scummy when he flipped.) Also town was genuinely convinced TI was scum, so its possible he wagoned with us so that he wouldn't be questioned about it in the long run. However he gave a reasoning as to why TI over Kuroyo or TG. It wasnt the best reasoning, but he explained it. He's also acted pretty townie, which is a plus. He is a null read, but that is prone to future actions.

Jack : Oh Jack. So much could be said about you. First off D1, you gave off the impression of townieness. You were active and seemed to post townie-esque posts. Towards the end of D1 or start of D2 you said you were going to be inactive over the next few days... D2 you were barely active, during which someone stated that you seemed scummy for being quiet, (I believe it was TI) and I defended you. Then you decided to show up, after you seemed scummy to a few people, and it coincidentally happened at the end of the day. You commented real quick on everything said you'd try to be more active that day, posted your scum reads and disappeared. You didnt show up again until a few days later. You went into the flow of things and this is where suspicion started getting cast on Kuroyo by me. You gave reason as to why you were gone, posted reads,and have since then contributed actively-mainl contributing to the anti-Kuroyo arguement. Honestly you were a slight town leanbut after typing tht all out, I've realized some actions can be considered scummy. Null lean cold change easily.

Kuroyo : Oh, Kuroyo. Little Miss "I dont know how to defend myself." D1 you were slight town read, althogh you posted a decent amount of filler. Seriously, dont bother posting "catch me up" posts in forum mafia. It's not hard to read. Seriously, I'm not going to bother to summarize something that has just happened just because you want me to "catch you up", when you can just go and read. Everytime I come on here I scroll back to where my last post was and read all the posts that have been posted, while also stating my thoughts on it. Sure some points of mine may have been stated already, but reading and posting thoughts helps future reads. And then I get called mean when I tell you to read. Plus "not reading" has become a problem for you now, as because you didnt to address all our points to the reasons we find you scummy, it appears as though you have accepted your scummyness. Same thing happened with TI. You still say that we find you scum for reasons that are either baseless conjecture or lurking/filler, when we have stated more reasons than just that. I would restate them, but why bother if you arent going to read them... Meh maybe I'll multiquote it so you can see it again. Honestly I tried starting a battle with you, kinda like I did with TI and similar-esque to my battle with Numaji, to no avail. Also you seem to only focus on whatever Jack says about you. I started making the points of why I saw you scummy, yet you constantly say it was Jack. You constantly comment about our lack of originality when you have yet to say something original yourself. Heavy Scum read.

Victoria : Victoria's time to shine! D1 you didnt post too much but your posts were all generally helpful. D2 you posted slightly more, activity picked up. You seemed townie, questioning Numaji's shot, defending me, considering all the possibilities. You stated there's something weird about Numaji, and FoS him. You didnt state what though. Your reads were lackluster. Kakuri says there's something weird about the way you are speaking. I still had my heavy town read on you at this point, bang! Kakuri's dead. Sorry bout that btw. D3 comes along and you are still townie acting. However I dont think you questioned that shot. Weird huh? You've been genuinely supportive of me. However, recently you have been acting a little weird. When Jack mentioned it in his reads (after Kakuri's death, obv.), I started to really consider the possibility that you may be mafia, mainly because of the remorse I had for shooting a townie because of some slightly shit logic, granted it helped me form a stronger read on Numaji, but also because there had been two people who had mentioned it. Victoria vs Numaji didnt help your case either. you ended up contradicting yourself in your arguement, and also had some shit logic. You also had some good points, but i think some of these points about him were mentioned beforehand. Also your wording choice isnt exactly the best and that's why you can be strange. At this point, I wouldnt oppose a shot on you nor would I oppose gunning you. Slight town lean heading into the null territory, and may make its way into scum territory.

The Gentlemen : And now for the moment we've ALL been waiting for... my cross examination of The Gentleman. Literally There is so little that I can write about this guy... Seriously the guy has only posted 7 times, one of them was his confirmation post. Day 1 You were slightly active, with some filler posts. Day 2 you were less active, posted your ONLY post that had some depth to it... as shallow as it was. Yet Day 2 you fillered even harder which took away from that. Literally one of your Day 2 posts- which was also your last D2 post- was #NumajivsZane. Thank you for the insightful post. (I know that this TG isnt that same TG bc of subs, but for simplicity's sake lets leave it like that.) Day 3 you didnt show up at all, and then you requested for a sub. The sub still has yet to speak to us, so the most recent post we have is #NumajivsZane... which wasnt even made by the current TG. We gave you the benefit of doubt and this is how you repay us. At this point i wouldnt be surprised if you are lurking intensely as mafia.

I did reply. I didn't bother questioning it, because you'd explained yourself.

Victoria F. wrote:Well, that explains why you shot her. These reads that you mentioned about me and Numaji, did you get them?

But you never replied to my question, from what I recall.
But yeah, I really can't defend my word choice. My word choice is to you what Numaji's hot-headedness is to me. We all have some weakness or another when talking, and they tend to act against us.

Game 15: Modified Execution

Numaji O. wrote:
Victoria F. wrote:
Numaji O. wrote:
Victoria F. wrote:
Numaji O. wrote:Yes, but I wasnt referring to just that post, I was referring to basically what you have been saying since day 2 and also Zane, Morita and kinda Jack for a bit. I am not flipping out, I am not getting angry actually, I am just questioning you in a little more heated manner. Everything to you seems like "flipping out" if they start questioning you in a more heated manner...

Caps to me tend to mean anger and thus "flipping out".
Also, not everything seems like flipping out. Usually just the stuff you say.

I was using caps to stress the word actually.

Bold or italics are better for that. Caps means shouting.

True but I cant be asked to put [b] [./b] or [i] [./i]. Pressing caps lock is so much easier lol

I'll just keep in mind that I shouldn't cower in a corner when you use caps then.

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Numaji O. wrote:
Victoria F. wrote:
Numaji O. wrote:Yes, but I wasnt referring to just that post, I was referring to basically what you have been saying since day 2 and also Zane, Morita and kinda Jack for a bit. I am not flipping out, I am not getting angry actually, I am just questioning you in a little more heated manner. Everything to you seems like "flipping out" if they start questioning you in a more heated manner...

Caps to me tend to mean anger and thus "flipping out".
Also, not everything seems like flipping out. Usually just the stuff you say.

I was using caps to stress the word actually.

Bold or italics are better for that. Caps means shouting.

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Numaji O. wrote:Yes, but I wasnt referring to just that post, I was referring to basically what you have been saying since day 2 and also Zane, Morita and kinda Jack for a bit. I am not flipping out, I am not getting angry actually, I am just questioning you in a little more heated manner. Everything to you seems like "flipping out" if they start questioning you in a more heated manner...

Caps to me tend to mean anger and thus "flipping out".
Also, not everything seems like flipping out. Usually just the stuff you say.

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Numaji O. wrote:
Numaji O. wrote:
ajhockeystar wrote:
The Instructor wrote:Vote Morita

even though he said he might shoot me, i trust him the most with the gun atm.

aj can we get some subs, jack s and the gentleman havent been on for 3 days at least (i checked their last sign ins)

They're active, at least in the room. I'll tell them.

Thats very interesting because if they have the free time irl to be active on showdown, how come they arent coming on here? It indicates to me that they arent exactly botheted with helping town. But now that I think about it, if they really were mafia, would AJ have revealed this info to us?

> "and I somehow know that both are mafia" - Victoria 2015

Seriously Zane said that he is giving me a chance to defend myself but all i am seeing is that "I have a weird feeling about Numaji" or "Numaji seems unusual". How am I meant to defend myself from that? Yeah ok zane says I am aggressive. It's how I try and get scum to slip up, think of it as my scumhunting technique. Also you were just as aggressive to me too so I dont even understand how you can call me scum for that.

This is the post that u said that I was being aggressive right? How on earth is asking why I am scum being aggressive. You said that i aggressively targetted the fact where you said you wouldnt shoot me coz of exactly what I said. I said NOTHING about that actually?

Because it was completely hypothetical. I never actually said you were scum right there, but you still flipped out and started asking questions about it. All that I'd said was "In a hypothetical world where you and The Instructor are mafia", and nothing more. I never said "In this current world that we're in right now where you're mafia", or anything, and yet once again, here you are, flipping out.

Game 15: Modified Execution

Numaji was always fairly aggressive, even day 1. But he also started up fairly valid points, and questioned people if he felt it needed to be done. He talked a lot about "thinking through the night" which means nothing, reads wise, I just typed it so that I can analyse everything.
I think it started when he was targeting Zane. I didn't think "Oh man, this guy must be scum", but I kept an eye on him. He then started to say stuff about AJ trolling. Once again, means nothing reads wise, but... It just seems like a strange thing to say. I genuinely feel like AJ wouldn't troll, because it would affect the outcome of the game. Only now am I looking back on it and seeing that that could potentially be Numaji defending Zane ~~although if you guys are a scum team, then well done. Seriously~~.
His theory about one mafia being inactive could also be a potential scum thing, but I don't think it is. Like, you're more likely to be seen as scum if you seem to have knowledge of them, so it could be a double play as scum, to seem like an obvious scum, which would then make you seem more town because surely no scum would do that. I wouldn't have said that otherwise, but Numaji's all about the mind games. That one just seems a bit too far fetched though.
He asked Shakuji a couple questions starting Day 2, but Shakuji answered them well enough that Numaji felt no real need to pester him more. Looking at that, it makes my wonder why Zane kept getting attacked. I guess that could be explained by the fact that both Numaji and Zane are hot headed, and so they were just annoying each other more and more, whereas Shakuji answered quite calmly, so Numaji felt no need to retaliate.
Although actually... The start of Numaji v Zane is quite agressive from Numaji with really only the reason that Zane's posts were disappearing. I don't know if Numaji was just trying to get Zane to talk, or what.
He really flipped out when I said that I thought he might be scum, summing up Zane V Numaji as "him having a scumread on Zane, and wanting to talk to him about it".
I think that what seriously kept my idea that he was scum was the threat he gave me.
"Oh yeah, I actually thought of a good mafia tactic at night 1. You see how there are thesr people that are pretty townie looking? Well if you applied pressure to them slowly and carefully, lets say you do get a gun then you can shoot the townie guys and not get read as scum by people as much to make such decision. For me, victoria, you have proved to be a great townie so i seriously doubt you are doing this. Just be aware of others who will..."
I'm still not entirely sure what it even means, but it just came across as really threatening. He then denied that it was a threat. If that's not a threat, I have no idea what it is. He then quickly dropped the subject. I find it interesting to note that he didn't try to fight me.
Later on, Zane brought the "unsettling posts" up, and Numaji understood what I meant by nicest threat, and then said it wasn't a threat. Could be a cover up, could just be that he's a naturally threatening person.
Later on he said that Morita was jumpy for defending himself. Which was... Basically... What Numaji was doing against me. At least Morita wasn't making threats.
He then says more about his aggressiveness, and how he's only aggressive if he doesn't get all the information he wanted.
Later on he said "No I am explaining MY point of view, it is up to town to decide for themselves. I am not gonna make up everyones mind...."
Like, I get what he's trying to say here. He's trying to say that he's not in control, or whatever, but some of his word choice is iffy. Like, it's supposed to be all of town working together, you should be trying to convince people of things. Also, the way he says "it is up to town to decide for themselves" just makes it sound like he excludes himself from the "town" list... But even if he's mafia, I'm pretty sure Numaji's a smart enough player to catch something like that.
Then there's some more Numaji V Zane. Then there's a weird bit where Numaji and Jack suspect each other, while in the present time they both think of each other as towny townies.
Later on, Numaji wants to hear from Morita about why he thinks Shakuji's a bit shady, because Numaji has some ideas. He then says that it's because Shakuji doesn't talk too much, but hides behind good explanations to avoid a scumslip.
Yes.
He hides behind good explanations. Heaven forbid. How does saying a lot of stuff with good explanations mean he's hiding behind a scumslip?
Numaji V Zane just sort of stopped, but Numaji gave a reason for it.
"Its just I dont want this argument to keep going. We can restart it later but for now we have to focus on the rest of town since we cant let them just ride the game. Although i do still thinl Zane is kinda scummy but I wouldnt shoot him. I would have to be 100% certain with my read to shoot him and currently it isnt. Even if he was mafia, I still would keep him in the game because he has proven that he is a great benefit to town and one less active and productive person harms town."
I give that exact same reason as to why we shouldn't shoot Numaji later on, just saying.*

Then Numaji's mind game theory gets even more real. Because mafia know that we're thinking about what they think we're thinking about, they think even more carefully about what we're going to be thinking about next day when choosing a corruption target.
Part of me wonders if he made that intentionally confusing so that people just say "Yeah, good point." without truly understanding it.
He then said he trusts Morita, even though Morita said he might shoot him. Could be a towny play, could be a really gutsy mafia play, could be a scumteam, although I don't think they're a scumteam. But Numaji knows a lot about mind games, so it'd be really for him to pull of something like that, I reckon.
Numaji then aggressively targets me for my explanation regarding a hypothetical world, where I say exactly what he said earlier on about shooting Zane.*
It's around here that Numaji starts thinking that Jack has "quite solid" "town contributions".
He says some more stuff about making "ballzy" plays, and makes another statement about the mafia thinking about what we think they're thinking about us thinking.
And, that's pretty much it.
Shortened version: Numaji's a more confusing player than he seems, and he talks about mafia corruption a lot, usually in confusing ways so that it seems like he's helping out, but I don't think it really accomplishes much. He can be aggressive when he doesn't need to be, and I'm not going to forget that threat he made, nor his hypocrisy when I was talking about my hypothetical world. There we go, that is my analysis on Numaji.

Game 15: Modified Execution

Numaji O. wrote:Victoria there must have been SOMETHING that makes you feel that I am scum.

I'm sure that there is, and that I just forgot what it was or couldn't put it into words.
But, the feeling has stuck. I seriously have no clue where it came from, but it's with me. Until I can give a genuine reason though, I won't act upon it unless necessary.

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Kuroyo C. wrote:Ok, I don't really care what you think about my reads tbh. "Oh Kuroyo didn't make their reads specific, they're definetly scum" No. Like I said before, i'll keep my reads the way I want them. And here they go. (I do tend to get defensive at little stuff, so sorry about that)

I defended your reads list by saying that you said you'd answer any questions regarding it. At no point did I say you were scum, just in case that statement was directed at me.

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OK then. Reads.
I'd just like to start off by saying that I can't say anything about The Gentleman until he says something. Obviously I can't ignore the original guy, but I need the sub to at least say something.

As towny and active as Shakuji came off as, I could easily believe that he's just a really good mafia player. He writes really detailed posts and the such, but a lot of the stuff he says is just agreeing with other people.
His activity also dwindled a bit, but then he came back with massive posts to make up for it.

Kuroyo has a lot of filler posts and didn't exactly give the best reads in the world, but she did say that she would answer any questions, and she's also said that she'll try and make her posts have more meaning to them.

Zane gets into fights a lot, but in many ways, that's so much more helpful than anything else. It helps us to get reads on people. Zane also picked up ever since he figured out that his posts were vanishing, and has helped out town a lot, discussion wise. Him shooting a towny may not have benefited town directly, but he gave us a good enough reason.

Numaji starts conversations a lot, and he can be argumental, just like Zane, but there's something iffy about Numaji. I can't my finger on why, but I'm just so certain that he's scum. I haven't really been able to shake this feeling, but since I haven't been able to prove anything, or find a reason as to why, I've just ignored it. But I still feel that way.

Jack seems to be very against Kuroyo. He also vanished, lurked for a bit, and then came back with large posts. Lynched Numaji day 1. There's also a weird constant agreement and support between Jack and Numaji.

Morita's picked up in later days. Active a lot, says a lot. He's pretty focused on getting The Gentleman to post, but I don't blame him, honestly.

I'm currently seeing Numaji and Jack as a scum team. Who the third member is, I'm not yet sure. If I were to have one of them shot, I'd say it'd be better to shoot Jack. Jack and Numaji back up each others' posts, and both see each other as very town. If they are a scum team, they've done really well to stay under the radar.

Game 15: Modified Execution

Right, this isn't going as well as it could, but on the plus side, we're more likely to shoot a mafia.
On the negative side, we're more likely to lynch someone who's corrupted.

I'm going to need to think over this for a bit.

Game 15: Modified Execution

Numaji O. wrote:Yeah Victoria its just you looked like you were implying that you were pretty sure i was mafia.

Sorry about that. As I said, I don't have any clear reads. Even if I did have evidence against you, you don't really fit in with any other two players. I dunno, maybe it's just a good play on your part.
I genuinely did think you were mafia for a short time, but after reviewing it, the reasons I had don't make sense.

Game 15: Modified Execution

Jack S. wrote:ok here you go.

shakuji l - leaning town. has been very forward about things and is probably one of our lead people in terms of conversation during the day. I would honestly imagine shakuji as town, and would be incredibly surprised if he wasn't town. I got a bit of a scummy vibe off him at like day 2 but to be honest, after reading his content, I think he's most like a heavy town lean. Anyway, to the next person...

the gentleman - more inactive than me by simply having a look at his posts. a lot of his posts lately feel very fillery with his last one simply saying "#NumajiVsZane", and I seriously don't see the relevance in making a shit joke. anyway, I'm very null, more likely to lean scum if I were to make a decision about whether or not he was town or not.

Kuroyo C - incredibly neutral for me myself. I don't get why you had to keep your readlist short at all. that's just making you have to do more effort in terms of posting your thoughts etc. I want you to explain like everyone on your read list please and explain why they're the percentage that they are. honestly, a quick sentence and a bloody percentage isn't that goof for understanding much in my mind. in othrr things, like a quarter of your posts are utter bullshit in terms of you fillering saying "I'll go catch up" then either taking a day or disappearing, I know I'm sort of one to talk about that shit but still I want to point that out to everyone, you've been fillering like crazy when we need some actual content to run on.

zane m - got a town lean on zane. I personally agree with the shot he made, and although it didn't quite give what we wanted I still think it was a good choice. we were able to provoke some more conversation from that and that's quite good, and honestly kakuri was a lil bit vague at times so I honestly don't mind that. in other things, zane has been great with his contributions as of late and has given us a lot of content that we can look over and get an idea of what is going on with people. he has in some cases been against the general concensus but I honestly can't see a huge deal in that, as most of those arguments were resolved as we talked. town lean atm, nothing too heavy but expect it to remain the same.

numaji o. - heavy town read here. I don't see much I could argue against num from any perspective and honestly I don't get why him being aggressive towards someone is that scummy. if it receives reactions, like he said, it's gonna get us some information. anyway, I don't have any qualms with numaji and personally I can't think of anything else to bring up about him that hasn't already been stated about him. town lean here.

Victoria F - neutral read here. victoria has been a bit weird in terms of her thoughts on what to do. personally, most of her posts have been contributing to her discussion, but I personally haven't seen aread list from her yet and I'd want to see that myself. (might've missed the list, didn't see it in her post history, dunno.) I would like to see this as it would help us all get our thoughts on victorias pov atm and I think that might be beneficial, seeing as most of us have done one so far, and have been pushed to do one today. I do sort of like her idea of shooting numaji from earlier, although he is a major town read for me. I think we should have shot someone who was seen as fairly townie personally. it would have generated some reactions and personally I think it could be good although it would probably go wrong and people would be surprised about the sudden shot however, so maybe its not the best idea. neutral here. I can't really make my mind up on her myself.

jack s. - hai dere

the instructor - the bloody mindfuck master himself. from going from fairly quiet and lurky to a sudden change today of him provoking everyone is really odd myself. I personally can't read him well myself and I don't know if this is some weird play or if he's wifoming us by making him hard to read. it's an odd predicament really. if anything, a slight scum lean here.

morita I. - slight town lean, not too far off neutral however. I like moritas thoughts oncorruption targets from today,as well as some of her past views, as some of them do make sense. I don't have many other confirming thoughts on morita other than rhe fact that their contributions have been good in my opinion.

anyway, here are my thoughts on possible corruption targets:-
probably either morita or numaji in my opinion, but also possibly shakuji. I don't personally agree with what a person said about the fact that scum would not corrupt someone who had shot a gun before, but its probably a bit unlikely. anyway, I personally haven't been thinking about corruption that much some I don't have that many thoughts on that side.

any questions on my reads, feel free to ask.

I gave a reads list near the start of day 2, but it wasn't as detailed as I'd have liked, since there wasn't much activity at that point. ~~To be fair, it was the start of the game.~~ I plan to do another one later today, but I don't want to do one right now, because honestly, a lot of my views are the same. If I did another one right now, it'd pretty much be the same thing.
I know it'd probably be more helpful to do another one ASAP, but honestly, since it'd just be almost the same one, it may as well just be a paraphrased version of that earlier post.