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Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Yas W. wrote:Time for my long awaited read-list! Will start with those with fewer posts since they take less time to analyze. Also, since I am almost dead I might as well make myself useful so expect another read-list after this post that will analyze potential scumteams. (Although that might also take some time, but at least it will give some new perspective since it wouldn't make sense if individually someone is scummy but he/she wouldn't fit in any scumteam). I really hope you guys read this because I think it will be useful to town and I did kinda summarize actions so it might be easier if you are trying to catch up!

Before I start my read list, I want to talk about my activity. The test wasn't that big, and I didn't need to take a week break from this game to study for it. I just didn't have the time to sit down and type this wall post because you will see why. Hint: It's basically an essay.

Lacy H. as town - Lacy, although not the most active player in the game, has not had any posts that scream scum. She started the game suspecting Gemma, but was rather confused whether she should be lynched. Then Lacy suspected The Reporter and pressured her - something that carried on to Day 2. I think Lacy is doing a good job at pressuring the Reporter and maintaining it to Day 2. As a mafia, I doubt there is any reason to keep pressuring the reporter unless this is some kind of extreme bussing - which I find unlikely. The fact that she mentioned Zane's strat also solidifies my thoughts of her as town, since I don't think there is any reason for a mafia to do that.

Kayleigh as leaning town - When I read Keyleigh posts', they don't seem scum but for some reason does not give me the town vibes that I get from Lacy. She has good and thoughtful posts that seem town such as the mafia using the same type of typing patterns, but then there are some random things I found that makes me a tiny bit skeptic for example: saying we should be active! but then disappeared for a while and her reasonings on the Gemma lynch wasn't the strongest either. I still believe she is more likely to be town though since she does bring up good points and ask good questions.

Jenaro as leaning scum - For someone that active in the pre-game, I didn't expect Jenaro, out of all people, to play the catch up game. Before his first read list, he did have some good discussions but nothing too major such as heavily pressuring/suspecting someone. He comes back a few days later to post a read list, but a weird one, since most of the people on there is neutral and only Nico is town. I found his Gemma lynch to be quite abrupt, since he didn't pressure her much the last time he was on. Moreover, it's not like she was tied with Ash. I know his reasoning for this is to prevent last second stunts but I think it would be an even better idea if he didn't do that and maybe lured the mafia to save Gemma. To summarize, his lynch just seems to abrupt for my liking (+also it's after deadline). As a question for you, I would like to ask what did you mean when you said "If hippie is scum, ash would be another easy person to get town to lynch off". As for his second read lists, I believe there is something that's just off. For example, what did the Reporter do throughout Day 2 that made you change your view on her from top as scum to neutralish/scummish? I didn't notice any major change, personally. I disagree with your views on the Hippie, but that does not make you scum. I, however, want you to explain how the Hippie started the whole Day 1 Gemma vs Ash thing? It could be that I was skimming through and missed it, but even now when I reread it I don't see anything too major. In summary, I believe Jenaro has both points of being town and mafia. It seems like, to me at least, some of his points could be seen as scum-motivated. I get this weird feeling when reading his read lists. It would be nice if you could keep up your pre-game activity so that I can see where you are heading, but I understand sometimes IRL thing gets in the way.

The Hippie as Neutral - Weird, right? The Hippie is neutral? Well, this is why I prefer to look back at the game before starting my read list because if I didn't do this, I would probably saying he is definitely scum. However, after reading through all his contents so far, it doesn't stand too far out as scum. I would go as far as saying his posts seem townier than Jenaro. Let's put it this way: when you really think about it, what does the Hippie has to gain by switching his lynch on to me? If he was scum, wouldn't it benefit him more to stay on Ash since I would flip town and then he could appear more townie? I don't really get how I needed more pressure since it's plurality, but I guess it at least is an ok argument. From the way he plays so far, I doubt this read list will convince him that I am town. But I am definitely curious how he will react when it says I am town and he had me defo scum. Whether he goes back to lynching Mirror Ash/Brutella or doing something else is definitely something town should be keeping an eye on. I will maintain my lynch on him for now, but it is very likely to change. (My inner thought is telling me The Hippie + Jenaro is a decent scumteam but I don't usually trust my inner thought)

Brutella as leaning town - Brutella started off the game with some good activity and discussions about Gemma and Ash. She seems genuine when both pressuring and discussing. I view the argument between themselves townie, since I didn't get any scum vibes from it. She does filler a lot, but I don't think that makes her scummy really. I would like to see more of her thoughts on Day 2 though. In conclusion, nothing really stands out much for me from Brutella, but I don't see any clear scum motive. She is one of the people that I am sure my opinion will change as the game progresses. (assuming you know who live)

Nico as neutral/leaning town - I want to explain why I suspected Nico Day 1. I know he's not the most active player in the game, but he gave me this sort of town leader or mediator vibe. From my perspective, he seems too neutral. For example, he definitely questions and participates in conversations but he does not really pressure anyone on particular. The fact that he didn't lynch anyone Day 1 also adds to this point. It just seems to me that he seems to be helping but not really. I was actually surprised he lynched me early on in the day, but at least he posted good reasons that does not revolve around my activity. As Day 2 progresses however, he seems townier to me post by post. He maintains his active questioning from Day 1, but I feel like his reasons are better. I don't know how to explain this well since scumhunting is subjective, but at least for me his post seems to be more town motivated. I would like to see a read list from you.

The Reporter as leaning scum - The reporter comes off as being lynch happy to me. Day 1, she lynched Brutella and then unlynched immediately. Then, she proceeded to say we should lynch those that are unhelpful, which although I agree, it doesn't mean we should lynch all inactives. She lynched Mirror Ash and again unlynched him in the next post. (twice, in fact - so basically she lynched him twice and uled twice) I know she forgot to read a page but I think it just shows her hastiness to lynch. I don't think one sentence replies make someone scum, but it does give the appearance that she posts more than she does. (not really related, but when you said 50 billion 1 sentence posts from me, you also react to thing with one sentence replies too) In conclusion, The Reporter seems to be lynch-happy and often uses the excuse of activity (like when she asked Lacy what have you contributed). There is one thing that keeps me from saying she is confirmed scum tho, which is partners. More on that in the next post.

Mirror Ash as town - Mirror Ash had good posts and discussions throughout Day 1 and 2. I find the fact that he gets angry when accused townie, it seems like something I would do too. His lynches are a bit confusing to me, as he went back and forth a bit - but that doesn't mean much in Hydra. His posts give me a town vibe. Overall, I think he is town.

Finally I'm done!

Some things to be noted:

1) If you find any flaws in this post, please comment. I might have miss some scum/town motives when looking through.

2) We should also maybe try to find relationships between scum partners since so far we have been trying to scumhunt person by person.

3) Those who I list as neutral can easily flip to town or scum depending on their future actions.

4) Don't hastily lynch as it is not beneficial to town. Instead bring up a candidate, and see what town thinks.

5) Good luck! If I am lynched, at least you have good info. It also should motivate to change your tactics. If i survive then good, I promise this activity tomorrow.

I might post scum team analysis + vote count analysis next, but I am definitely taking a break.

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Lacy H. wrote:

The Reporter wrote:Lacy you gonna do what I asked or nah?

wait a sec, just saw this? What did you ask?

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Yas W. wrote:

Jenaro K. wrote:Here are my reads. Sorry for the lateness, I've been very busy and it's really not allowing me to play this as actively as I wished. I am kinda glad I waited, though. The things I thought before have changed immensely with the last few pages.

Mirror Ash- And this is where I explain my Gemma lynch (or attempt) too. Out of the two of them last day, I saw Ash as more town than Gemma (sorry QT). I wanted to make sure people who were fighting their partners (/me looks at Brutella) didn't lynch Ash instead. Overall, Ash seems really scummy- or he did. I guess it was just him initially being attacked and constantly prodded. He still seems really iffy, but not scummy. I see him as being bad at explaining things and having trouble agreeing with his partner, sure, but at the moment, he is a town read for me.

Nico- You called me out about my initial "filler" commenting about the differences between partners and about my thoughts on it being a way to catch scumslips. Right after, I was inactive for days (and it seems serious self was too). I must look pretty bad to you. I apologize. I did feel that my posts were relevant, though. It seemed to me like a good idea, and I've seen partners disagreeing a lot. One person did stand out to me before, and I will address that on my read of her. Overall, my read about Nico is a town read.

The Reporter- This is the one I was talking about with Nico. She started the day lynching someone and it didn't make sense to me. It was so scummy, and then the UL. I can only imagine it as one partner saving the other from scummy behavior. She started out as a top scum read for me. Now, though, after reading everything else, she has gone down a bit for me. Still slight scum, but not enough to merit a lynch at the moment. I would like to see how the day progresses, first. If anything, I feel she may have the same issues as Ash does in that she's not good at explaining her shit and she and her partner are not working well together.

Yas- Yesterday (irl yesterday), I saw him as slightly scummy. This was based on the fact that he was lurking and had so little posts, most of which seemed irrelevant to me (and to a few others, it seems). It was also due to the fact that he not only didn't post a lot with his original 2 players, but after getting a sub, he was still inactive as fuck. After everything that happened between that time and all the lynches on him, I further view him as scum. He only became active after a lot of people lynched him and called him out. As of now, I think he would be my top scum read. I will however hold my lynch until he posts his read list. I want to see what he says, but he's still up there.

The Hippie- People seem to be lynching him now for BW and "random" posts. Watching Hippie spark the thing between Gemma and Ash (though he did call Brutella and Ash his scum picks, he still kicked everything off, I feel) made me see him as town. He saw Ash as scum the last day and stuck on him then and continued to do so today until Yas. While I disagree about Ash being scum, I still can see Hippie in a town light. His flop to Yas makes sense, too. People are starting to see Ash as towny (in my perspective) and so he jumped to the scummier guy that people were lynching. While it is a BW-like move, it makes sense to me. Yas has shown himself to be scummy and Hippies flop does not look like a scum move. I have a town read on Hippie.

I would like to make this clear for you and the Reporter. I know you two think it is scummy that my activity sparked up after I was pressured. While this is weird, you have to understand that I assume everyone is in this game actually wants to be alive, including me. This includes both town and mafia. All of accusations on me being mafia are all either involved with activity - one way or another. (well i think except Nico's) Activity is such a bad reason to lynch someone on and any person, town or mafia, can have increase in activity after being pressured. Comment on my posts instead of my activity, please. Activity cannot be the main reason you lynch someone over.

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Yas W. wrote:You judge how scummy someone is by their activity? Seriously? How does any amount of activity determines if someone is scum? In many games the most active player, the "town leader" is the scum. Have it not come to your mind that I'm just someone that wants to stay alive and play this game?

Yas W. wrote:I have a feeling it could be lylo or sth and it's gonna be like "Oh Yas was super scummy in the beginning his activity was very weird Lynch Yas". (mafia smiles)

To be honest, the reporter comes off as being lynch-happy. She started the day with a lynch on the hippie, then proceeds to Mirror Ash. Afterwards, she said I don't really know who is scummy, and unlynches Mirror Ash, only to lynch me on the next page. Now that is much more scummy than my activity.

The Hippie wrote:The Reporter does appear lynch happy, sure. That's also known as pressuring, and some people have to be doing that at all times.

Yas, you just like sextuple posted right after people called you out for not posting enough. Plus, you quoted super long posts each time while adding very little content of your own, like someone else pointed out. Ash is still scum, but Yas is too.

Unvote: Ash, Vote: Yas

Yas W. wrote:My point is: why are we still judging someone by their activity? Why is it any different that I post 3 times or I post one time? The Hippie, it's not because I provided any, it's because you chose to ignore my point that activity doesn't mean anything. I have stated many times in the past that I AM NOT ACTIVE and I ONLY POST TWICE A DAY, even specifically saying there is no reason to hide that. Honestly, you guys are way too caught up with this inactivity.

Hopefully the three that lynch me are all scum because that would make it easier for town to scumhunt. Well if I die, at least it proves my point that using activity as a reason to lynch is an absolutely horrible decision.

Mirror Ash wrote:Holy shit the game accelerated quite quickly overnight. So Yas suddenly became active after being pressurized which is again what I kind of stated at the beginning of day 1 and also, unlike The Reporter, he clearly wasnt caught up with IRL issues of interviewing Donald Trump because he was seen online many times yet did not post anything. This most definitely fits the category of scum here.

However there is one thing where I do agree with Yas, and that is The Hippie seems even scummier. As Yas has said, The hippie is almost certain I am scum, yet he proceeds to lynch Yas because he was lurking and not putting content even though "lurking" is classified as a weak and more of a reason booster and most definitely not a main reason...especially not in day 2. However he has provided reasons that are actually from a result of scumhunting when accusing me as scum which is a much more solid reason "even though i have explained why they are so flawed". But it doesnt matter if I think it's flawed, The Hippie clearly doesnt think it's flawed because of the constant re-iteration of calling me scum. Therefore it seems very strange to switch lynches which brings me to my most plausible answer of why he has done that (in my opinion). Since more people are lynching Yas, The Hippie has an easier time lynching someone out of the game. Now it's quite scummy to be eager to have someone lynched even though he has a larger amount of evidence of someone else being scum (which is me). 

But if The Hippie happens to be town... then I dont see any reason why Yas isnt scum.

I dont quite understand the thing between Kayleigh and Brutella, I am gonna re-read it to get stuff but if anyone can explain it to me, that would be even better

Yas W. wrote:

Mirror Ash wrote:

Yas W. wrote:I am gonna Lynch The Hippie because out of the three, his posts are the most random and definitely seems like a bandwagon to me.

Why in the fuck do you have to lynch "out of the three"? If you could actually gives reasons to lynch someone, instead of picking someone to BANDWAGON (cough cough you just said this was scummy so omgus) I'd maybe take you seriously and have a little less scummy read on you.

There is no bandwagon here
This is a bit of an OMGUS, but even Yas has made more helpful posts than Hippie.

If you were put in my position, you would be in SHOCK how 3 people managed to lynch you for a reason you think are absolutely garbage in such a short period of time. The Hippie came out of no where and lynch me, and I have already stated my reasons why I think The Hippie is the most random out of all that voted me. I didn't bandwagon on the Hippie since no one was voting him, and even though it may be OMGUS, he would have been my lynch my choice anyways if he just said I was scum and didn't lynch me. I must admit that "the out of three" was a hasty and panic reaction after a surprising turn of actions, but I found it weird how you did not question Nico about this too.

Yas W. wrote:

Nico P. wrote:

Yas W. wrote:I have no intent to make me look like I post a lot. I have admitted in the past many times that I am not active and I only post twice a day. You, however, seems to be obsessed with lynching people that are not active and when he is active says oh now you are active: Scum!

This isn't the problem.  The problem is not your lack of activity. It is the fact that your activity only spikes at times when you feel threatened, whether it be by a lynch or simply someone suspecting you.  You have practically 0 posts that don't come recently after being suspected or lynched by someone, besides your lynch on Gemma which I already went over.

Oh, give me a break already. As I said, it could be day whatever and you are still gonna bring up the fact I wasn't active in the early game. I am here now, okay? Let it go.

Yas W. wrote:

Nico P. wrote:

Yas W. wrote:In my defense, I had both the reporter and Nico as my scumlist Day 1. Anyways, my question that I asked Nico was not to attack him but just for clarification. The point now is, why did you not question Nico when he basically did the same thing as me? Your latest post also seems overly defensive, Nico was not even focus on you for half the post.

What I did was different from what you did.  When I chose between the three people getting lynched, I put in effort to determine who I thought was scummy and share it with everyone else.  When you chose, not only was it between three people who were lynching you, you provided barely any new info, saying "out of the three, the hippie is the scummiest" without going into any detail on myself or the reporter.

I think I should explain this:

First of all, I must say sorry if I came off as rude to anyone. I didn't mean to. However, I also didn't expect to have 3 people lynching me.

The reason why I lynched the Hippie, is because he is the most "out of the blue" lynch out of the 3. It seems more as a bandwagon more than anything. This is because

a) The Reporter started the lynch, which evolved to the majority of the discussion Day 2. She came off to me as being lynch-happy, actively switching between 3 people today, but at least it was some time since she unlynched, and also she wasn't bandwagoning anyone. when was I bandwagoning?

b) Nico gave the most details on his choice. He is also the only one that did not choose the reason of activity as a reason for my lynch. I also did not explain myself well why I think Gemma should be lynch, and although that is now resolved (or at least, clearer), I can definitely see where he is coming from.

3) The Hippie seems the most random. His previous post (before the lynch) was still attacking Mirror Ash, calling him a liar etc. He seems pretty sure that Mirror Ash is scum (and still is, I think). However, he switched the lynch on me for reasons that are given previously by the reporter. Moreover, he even stated that Ash is still scum, which means that his lynch switch on to me wouldn't have accomplish anything apart from applying more pressuring/securing a lynch on me. That just seems to me weird to me.

Thus for these reasons, The Hippie is the scummiest. Hopefully now that I have collected my thoughts a bit, it is easier to understand. I would also like to say that, if you guys do decide to lynch me, please do not hammer me right away. I will do a read list player by player. Feel free to ask me any questions, I would like to correct my past mistakes and do something to regain your trust.

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Game 22: Hail Hydra!

Game 22: Hail Hydra!