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Just realized that the C in my last name probably stands for Cruz. This is important, of course.

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That should say "would basically be me claiming my identity." Didn't notice the typo.

It is six hours later and Penelope's reaction to missing the deadline is the same as the above GIF.

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I feel like my default reponse to that would basically be me claiming the identity, but thank you ^_^

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Sanpei S. wrote:This was, at least at the start, a really good game, especially 2-4.

Agreed. I enjoyed playing. Honestly, I really want to know what Anita thinks of this. And Carl. And Manning. And Ian. And Jacuzzi. AKA everyone who died and hasn't seen the result yet.

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Cool, the image didn't work.



How about now?

@Sanpei: Somewhat, yeah. It was partly because I did think I'd be lower on a revised scumread list, but I didn't consider that I was the only one to have mentioned you as a town leader. I also unlynched Anita because I basically freaked out and backtracked on reflex once I got the QuickTopic to work and saw that she was my partner. (...totally didn't freak out again when Carl made a wallpost about it. What are you talking about?)

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TWENTY

MINUTES



Well played though, Kylan! I can't really complain about anything other than my own missing the deadline and qh opportunity.

I need to find out who Anita is so I can apologize to them, seeing as QuickTopic decided to not work for me initially and I had no clue that Anita was my partner at first.

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And I'm back (this thing took less time than I anticipated). Noticed some potentially vague wording in my last post:

Penelope C. wrote:
-Apparently concluding that Rodman is scum after Rodman's only new action was scumreading him, but mentioning nothing further.

Could be taken to imply that Rodman mentioned nothing further. I intended to refer to Kylan saying nothing regarding his "conclusion" aside from "Rodman is scum."

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It is. And I'm screaming at myself because I've been (in my opinion) contributing to the inactivity. As far as lynching goes I'm torn because lynching Kylan means he can't show up at the last second to shift plurality off of him, but it also invites an obvious quickhammer if Rodman's scum.

There's very little else for me to comment on, and nothing to reply to aside from saying that Rodman's post after mine reiterates my point. The only other thing I want to see right now is something from Kylan regarding his read on Rodman, because his actions today can be summed up to:

-Being pretty upset about Rodman's defeatism (I think anyone would be)
-Mentioning a couple of reasons against both remaining players but not pursuing anything as far as pressuring goes
-Pretty much vanishing once I discussed the possibility of him being scum
-Apparently concluding that Rodman is scum after Rodman's only new action was scumreading him, but mentioning nothing further.

The last point is the one I want clarification on, but the others make Kylan a bit scummier and I can't tell if he's trying the same "Get on Penelope's good side" thing I theorized about Rodman earlier. (I'm thinking too highly of myself, yes. Also wow, time snuck up on me and I had to hurry to finish this post.)

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Ya Rodman is scum

Kylan R. wrote:ok im pretty sure its the rodman now

This seems fairly random to me, considering that your read on him seems to extend to "He was defeatist/has links to Anita."

The Rodman wrote:As painful as it was, I read through all 15 pages, taking away a good 45 minutes I could've used to do my 3 assignments due tomorrow ( r.i.p. )

This is going to be counterintuitive to my telling you to not lurk, but please don't risk a reduced grade for the sake of a forum mafia game.

The fact that Rodman has nothing pro-Kylan or anti-Penelope stands out to me because it's reminiscent of the same kind of buddying Rodman theorized that Kylan was trying with Rhyanna. However, this point is pretty much the basis for Rodman's scumread on Kylan as far as I can tell. Incidentally, I see Rodman doing a similar thing with Rhyanna looking through his posts, using phrases like "I agree with Rhyanna" and "Rhyanna is the most townie to me" that just reiterate the town's general opinion on her without explaining his own reasons. The only difference is that Rhyanna was set on Rodman being town, though she did acknowledge near the end of yesterday that the wifom/defeatism made him look bad.

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The Rodman wrote:

Rhyanna F. wrote:Kylan>Penelope>Rodman>Carl is my current town>scum
me not getting nightkilled makes me think rodman COULD be a viable scum but i'm not certain that that's the case since I don't think Anita was smart enough to do a weak bus on day 1

another situation where rhyanna, the most townie had kylan at top lynch priority. In addition, Kylan's locktown reads on rhyanna (and penelope) couldve been an attempt to get on her goodside, even tho it was obvious rhyanna was town (even to me from d1) and the read was redundant.

This has Rhyanna townreading Kylan more than anyone else, AKA most likely the lowest lynch priority. I appreciate the effort now, but I'm just pointing this out. I agree on most of your other points, and I'm assuming that a post from the backreading on me is coming.

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Kylan R. wrote:Existence and activity at an all time low. I hopped on an hour after D1 ended, and the Anita flip was as obvious as they come. Activity lynches would make sense if subs didn't exist, but seeing as how they do, neither me or Rodman really should be on the block.

PJ should receive the lynch today simply because of the opening statement from scum, being a self claim. I'm gonna do an iso as my next post, as well as talk about any questions directed towards me

This was from Kylan #1, so I'm not going to ask Kylan #2 to explain it unless they want to. The bolded part is the one I'm looking at, in which Kylan suggests a lynch on PJ because of a claim from Anita that Kylan prompted to begin with. It may just be LyLo-generated paranoia, but I can see the Jacuzzi iso that follows as Kylan backtracking upon reading back and realizing that he brought up that scumteam combo to begin with. (By the way, the thing I'd mentioned looking for before you subbed in was that your sub only responded when plurality was actually on him. To me it indicated responding to pressure, which I didn't find scummy aside from the fact that there was essentially a solo scumteam who lose automatically if they were lynched.)

The Rodman wrote:Alright so after reading all 7 pages I have some reads.

Town: Rhyanna, Prof. Jacuzzi, and Horatio all come off as town to me due to their apparent seriousness D1 and for the most part supporting the Anita lynch.

Scum: I gotta say Ian because starting from D1 I felt Anita would be scum and when I saw the flip I wasn't surprise. This reads comes off the fact that Ian admits to not scum reading Anita, which I view as possible WIFOM like "mafia wouldn't admit to looking scummy".

Neutral: Everyone else because even if they supported Anita lynch or not they do not come off as town to me.

I've mentioned the problem with the lack of depth in Rodman's reads already. The only thing I'm adding is that Rodman does the same "Anita was obvious" thing.

The Rodman wrote:Please do not base thoughts on anything I said before page 7 because that was someone else. I am a sub for that player.

Probably overanalyzing, but this was something we knew already. I can also see scum!Rodman trying to get people to ignore something he viewed as scummy in his sub's actions.

The Rodman wrote:IDK how scum would frame me if I was the one looking at  Sanpei as scum. And I agree with how it's surprising that Rhyanna has not died considering they are the most townie out of anyone to me. As for today, I will not lynch yet because I am deciding between Carl and Manning. I rule out Kylan because I cannot actually read him and Horatio is townie to me.

Apparently someone being unreadable rules them out, but that's beside the point. I don't see the purpose of the "IDK how scum would frame me," but your looking at Sanpei as scum was your sole post from the previous day. Your scumread dying also doesn't affect anyone's view of you, so I don't see the point of bringing it up.


Then Kylan subs in, and basically tunnels Carl, which I've brought up. Carl's point about your posts basically being quotes with a sentence or two added still stands. He mentions this and decides to lynch you for it and you basically dismiss it as omgus:

Kylan R. wrote:LOL am i tripping or am i being omgus'd right now

LYNCH CARL. G

honestly this is what needs to happen i didn't really lean either way on Horatio so his flip wasn't a surprise to me, rhyanna and penelope i still do TR for their activity and pushing the game forward with their posts. if carl was to flip scum i'd probably want a full game reread to go over those two and if no change i'd explore the rodman. that's all i have rn

Disregarding the typo, this way of approaching things reads as "if Carl flips town I'm going to tunnel Penelope/Rhyanna, then tunnel Rodman if I don't find anything against them."

These are basically things I haven't mentioned in earlier posts, and it's a frustratingly small amount because of the lack of content in the posts I haven't quoted. And yes, Rodman, I did see you come online while I was going through posts. Please don't continue this lurking today. Even if you don't have reads on either of us (which I doubt), you should at least be trying to defend yourself.

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Oh, okay. Early works.

Kylan, despite your sub’s inactivity, their connection to Anita wasn’t perfect either (ex. giving Anita an easy fake claim with Jacuzzi, calling the Anita flip obvious despite having no part in it). There’s also this sudden activity spike after you basically tunneled Carl yesterday. With Rhyanna dead I can see scum!Kylan reading Rhyanna’s counterpoint on the last page and deciding to kill her to make that strategy seem invalid.

Meanwhile Rodman #1 bought into the Anita/Jacuzzi scumteam claim easily (still possibly RVS) and Rodman themselves has been inactive before coming back with barely explained reads and a defeatist attitude that has continued into LyLo. I plan on reading back, so please don’t lynch, as Kylan said. And yes, I do plan on looking at the actions of both subs considering the lower amounts of activity from both of you (in comparison to other players, not your subs).

"Pre-emptive" edit: Saw Kylan's post pop up while I was writing this. The only person who called me a town leader was Sanpei. Most people were neutral on me for much of the game, and Rhyanna mentioned a couple of times that "if we're lost on who to lynch Penelope could be a good idea" (paraphrasing).

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I missed the goal I'd set for myself of getting online within 16 hours of my last post.

You're right about the two being different things, and I agree that the defeatism as scummy for both Carl and Rodman. It's scummier in my opinion for Rodman because of the risk Carl would be taking as scum, but maybe I'm just getting WIFOMed by Carl.

I'm going to lynch The Rodman seeing as I find him slightly more likely to be scum than Carl for the reasons I mentioned, but I'm not vehemently opposed to the Carl lynch that seems likely to happen.

I agree that if Carl flips town Kylan definitely looks worse for the tunnel. Scum!Kylan doesn't screw himself over 100%, but he comes pretty close.

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Carl is at L-1 by the way. Though I suppose the only other person who needs to be wary of this right now is Rodman.

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RIP the whole “~16 hours” thing I guess.

@Rhyanna: Looking back at Anita’s posts, I don’t see that much defeatism. If anything, she only started contributing and defending herself when she realized that she was about to be lynched. Even then, we used a similar “That’s what Anita did” logic when discussing Jacuzzi, who wasn’t scum. I do agree that it’s a significant change from Carl’s normal playstyle, but given that we were discussing his aggression before hand I feel like he would change it regardless of alignment.

@Rodman: Basically what Rhyanna said. Also, as far as the way people play on PS goes, this is a great place to try a new playing style without getting lynched for acting differently. The difference between Rodman’s and Carl’s defeatism is that I can see scum!Rodman using it with confidence that Carl will still be lynched. Also regarding this:

The Rodman wrote:I can also see how I can be the "sit back in the shadows guy", but I assure you when I am mafia I make an effort to be active and "townie”.

I said this to Anita day 1, but that’s what mafia should be doing anyway and this is the same kind of wifom she used in her defense. I know I mentioned above that saying “That’s what Anita did” isn’t valid reasoning, but this seems more like a case of “I’m sorry if I do anything scummy, but you should excuse it because I’m always like that as town.”

As the deadline is in ~3 hours I don’t know if Kylan be online soon/long enough for a great deal of discussion. Judging from “last time online” he still hasn’t seen any of today. I wouldn’t be opposed to a lynch on him, but I do want to wait a bit longer to see if there’s any chance of him coming on and giving his thoughts. I should be able to be on up to the dl. At the moment I’m debating between Carl and Rodman with a lean towards the latter. The main thing that holds me back is that the kill on Sanpei seems like a painfully blatant frame on Rodman. (“Pre-emptive” edit: Went back to look at Sanpei’s reads before he died to check again on who a changed readlist would threaten. None of Sanpei’s scumreads from the last concrete list are alive, but Rodman was mentioned as being neutral with a potential scum lean.)

Second "pre-emptive" edit: I went to post this and saw that Kylan had posted while I was preparing this. What I wanted to see was if he would simply continue to tunnel Carl, and at the moment I'm not sure if that's what he's done. He mentioned other players, but it's the same "yeah they exist" and going back to Carl. On the subject of that:

Kylan R. wrote:if carl was to flip scum i'd probably want a full game reread to go over those two and if no change i'd explore the rodman. that's all i have rn

If Carl was to flip scum the game would be over. I don't think this typo indicates scumminess by itself, but it was something I noticed and couldn't just leave alone.

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So first off I just noticed that I used the word “though” way too much in that last post :u

I started out responding to posts in order before getting paranoid about moving around this post and forgetting to mention something (still pretty sure I did this in my last post), but below is a summary of thoughts.

Carl saying that we can lynch him if we want reads as defeatism, which is of course used by scum as wifom. But considering how many people (essentially everyone alive) are willing to lynch Carl, I think this would be a very risky move for him to make as scum. I don’t instantly townread him for this, but it’s something I’m keeping in mind.

This will sound like a broken record, but where is Rodman? Even disregarding his lack of explanation, we go into MyLo or LyLo tomorrow if we mislynch today. He doesn’t seem to have logged in at all to see this day’s content, but the fact that he hasn’t posted and is barely being discussed (as opposed to Carl and Kylan) is starting to give me a “Let’s sit back and watch town self-destruct” feeling. If my sense of time is right and he’s been online, he also should have been prodded by now.

Carl makes a valid point about Kylan tunneling him. We asked Kylan about his reads on other players, and he basically just said “Rhyanna and Penelope are locktown” before returning his focus to Carl. Going by the last time he logged in he hasn’t even seen that Horatio was lynched, but since he was actually active for Day 4 I don’t have the same feeling about him as I do Rodman.

All I really said about Rhyanna in my last post was “still my strongest townread,” so I may as well elaborate on that. In addition to Rhyanna continuing to keep the game active and contributing new points, she didn’t immediately go for “It’s a frame!” at the start of today, which would indicate possible scum anticipating accusations based on being townread. (I don’t know if this was just in response to Kylan calling her day 4 start fake, but I think scum would persist with the frame excuse as opposed to revising their reads based on it. Even on day 4, Rhyanna assumed it was a frame on Rodman and not her.) Additionally, the fact remains that Rhyanna being scum would require her to have bussed Anita during RVS and not get off.

I started narrating my thoughts here on how Kylan and Rodman’s posts would influence my thoughts on them, but I want to see how they respond without that influence. What I will say is that Kylan shouldn’t tunnel (obviously) and re-emphasize my point on the feeling Rodman gives me above. If they haven’t posted in ~16 hours (next time I can definitely get online), I’ll go more in depth. At the moment, I’m leaning towards lynching Rodman because of my above point on how risky it would be for scum!Carl to take a defeatist tone.

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I probably would have kept my vote on Horatio in the end unless he’d posted his own defense, considering that his only post in response to being at L-1 was a list of reads and a question for Manning. This is assuming that Horatio didn’t have anything else he was going to post. Rhyanna does make a good point on Horatio not nightkilling her, although the majority of us were going after Horatio if PJ failed to be scum anyway.

As far as Rhyanna not dying goes, I’d actually been interpreting it as a failed attempt at a frame (“Why haven’t you died yet if you’re so obviously town” and so on). Rhyanna remains my strongest townread right now.

Similar to what I said when unlynching Anita day 1, it would have been very easy for Rodman and Kylan, if they were scum, to show up and bandwagon on the Horatio lynch. Instead, they both developed their own reads and followed those, which gives me a town lean towards them, although a weaker one on Rodman seeing as they’ve continued their sub’s lurking and, as far as I see, their scumreads on Manning and Carl were based on one post each, with no mention of their townread on Horatio. ("Pre-emptive” edit: while reading back to look at Carl’s posts, I did see Rodman mention a townread on Rhyanna, Jacuzzi, and Horatio because of their “apparent seriousness D1.” I don’t see how seriousness correlates to being town though.)

People have brought up a multitude of things against Carl already. The aggression was something I assumed to be a playstyle thing considering that there’s some of it from him day 1, albeit way more of it in the days after-at this point I think its expanded to a point where he’s being unnecessarily rude, regardless of reads and alignments. Other than what’s been brought up, the only notable thing I see reading back is his scumreading and lynching me on day 2, then going on to say he was fine with an Ian lynch. This is minor though, as he mentioned the Ian lynch clarifying some things for him, which it did for several others as well. (He also lynched Kylan #1, then unlynched once Kylan #1 returned and never relynched despite Kylan #1’s return to lurking, but Manning did this also.)

I’m 95% certain that there’s an incomplete sentence somewhere there, as I was sometimes jumping around as I noticed new things when reading back. I don’t see an incomplete sentence looking through this though. I also don’t see myself mentioning this earlier (I remember typing it at least), but I would of course like to see Carl’s response to all of this. I also would like to hear the basis for Rodman’s most recent reads, even though two of them have now flipped. My current town>scum is Rhyanna>Kylan>Rodman=Carl, though I expect that tie to change somehow soon.

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And I'm back. I don't anticipate that Rhyanna or Rodman are going to hammer Horatio randomly, so I'll lynch Horatio A. and put him back at L-1, as the people I'd be primarily worried about potentially hammering (Kylan and Rodman) both seem intent on a Carl lynch-incidentally, these are the two people who subbed in and I have strong doubts that this is a coincidence. I plan on going back to look at Carl's posts myself, but I do agree with Kylan's point on Carl responding harshly to pressure (ex. his reaction to mine and Manning's comments about him at the start of today).

To be fair though, Kylan, I did lynch Anita at one point during day 1. I ended up retracting because (a) I wanted to see what Anita's defense would be and how Manning would react to it and (b) similar to what happened with Horatio today, my ability to notice L-1 was strongly impaired.

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...did I really...okay, my ability to count, or at least my ability to notice lynches, is severely lacking this game.

@Rhyanna: We were basically all going to go after Horatio (with the exceptions of Rodman and Kylan and the possible exception of Sanpei). I was referring to Sanpei never being able to respond when you asked them to elaborate on Horatio moving up on their scumlist (in your first post on page 11), as well as the fact that Sanpei's death would slow the game's momentum and make lurkers (such as Horatio himself) stand out less.

Unlynch Horatio A.
I saw him come on and go offline several times, but I'd still appreciate seeing any kind of defense from him aside from his "Anita was using wifom" comment. I'll relynch if I come back to see he's been online again and still hasn't posted anything, or if he has posted a defense but it's a poor one and nobody else has placed him at L-1.

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Cool. The lynch didn't get bolded. unlynch Kylan R. and lynch Horatio A., who I see is online at this moment and I assume will be making a post some time soon.

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Hello there, new Kylan!

First, I’m going to [b]unlynch Kylan R. and lynch Horatio A.[b], as I said I would. Manning makes a valid point with Horatio being unlikely to kill Sanpei because of a changed reads list, however in my opinion Horatio would still have multiple possible reasons to kill Sanpei (see my above post[s]).

I would ask about Kylan’s read on Carl (and on other players in general), but Manning seems to have done so already. I do still want to ask Kylan what his thoughts are on the game and how it’s progressed (ex. anything we should be paying more or less attention to in your opinion). This might tie in with Manning asking about Kylan’s reads on other people, but if not I hope I’m not being overwhelming by adding this.

Kylan R. wrote:

Carl G. wrote:Not really sure why we're spreading lynches just for the sake of it. No clue why exactly this has any use when we all know this is just usual day 1 meta. Anyway, how about you all explain your lynches when you carry them out for a change? It's always nice for that to happen.

This. He acknowledges that RVS is "just usual day 1 meta." yet complains about it and asks for reasoning when the game literally just started. Now usually this is NAI but in regards to the D1 scumflip it makes him look a lot worse imo.

“This is actually a good-“ okay, Rhyanna, snipe your revenge here. I would like to hear Carl’s response to this though. Frankly, I’d like to hear Carl’s response to a lot of what’s happened since he last posted, considering that a fair amount of it relates to him in one way or another. (This is the kind of thing I'm referring to when I say "anything we should be paying more or less attention to" by the way, at the time of this being posted I assumed that it was just someone who didn't like RVS making a post about it.)

The Rodman wrote:

I'll pop on tonight for a bit to maybe look at some past posts from people and see if my mind changes at all, but expect a Anita lynch from me.(Carl G.)

that was end of day 1. So on one hand I see it as a last minute attempt to detach from your partner while on the other hand I see someone who made it look like they thought Anita was scum without actually lynching them. The latter reasoning is one I have seen come true many times on PS. But I will proceed to abstain so i can hear from anyone

I mentioned this during day 2 and Carl’s response was that he simply wasn’t able to get on again before the deadline, followed by the apparently unintentional Penelope iso. It’s on page 7, specifically. Rhyanna makes a good point with mafia not losing points for lynching a partner. I can think of many times on PS like you mentioned, but they tend to be more of a case of "cut off by the deadline" from what I've seen. I pursued it on day 2 here in part because Carl went as far as to say that he was going to lynch Anita.

Rhyanna F. wrote:also kylan just got subbed yet was apparently inactive during the night phase, meaning that he couldnt have sent in the kill unless he was subbed in during the night and aj only told us that he was subbed now to prevent suspicion
i could be looking into it way too much but its something to consider

This is also a good point. I’m going to try to avoid entering host meta territory though. If I'm correct though the second Kylan didn't come online until around the same time AJ subbed him in, so I'm guessing that was when he got access to the account unless he was specifically told to wait until the night was finished (which would still indicate him as not being scum unless he watched as a guest).

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Penelope C. wrote:I don't have a "huge analysis" of why you're scum because, in my opinion, there are several other people more likely to be scum than you.

I figure that I may as well elaborate on this part of my previous message, if only for the sake of sparking some discussion of any kind.

I mentioned already that Sanpei never got to elaborate on Horatio moving up on their scum list and that this could potentially indicate Horatio killing Sanpei for that purpose (hoping that we’d overlook it in favor of other possible motivations). It’s also possible that Sanpei was killed so that those who were lurking wouldn’t stand out as much—considering what’s happened to the activity, this has definitely been an effect regardless of if that was the intent or not. Right now, those people are Horatio, Kylan, and in my opinion Rodman. Strangely Rhyanna hasn't done much posting today, but she mentioned an intention to come back and read everything and it would be very strange for her of all people to suddenly start to lurk, so I'm assuming that there's a real life thing going on here.

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I don't have a "huge analysis" of why you're scum because, in my opinion, there are several other people more likely to be scum than you. The possible points bandwagon is something I was looking at only slightly and not factoring significantly into a read (hence "it hasn't changed that much" referring to my read on you as a whole). Part of it is that, as I said, Manning seemed to feel the same way but didn't switch at any point from Horatio, which made me wonder why you decided to lynch Jacuzzi instead of your scumread.

By the way, if the case is that Kylan needs a sub, I'll unlynch him of course.

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There’s so little to actually respond to…

@Rodman: What we meant by a frame is referring to the discussion between Sanpei and Rhyanna before AJ cut it off. The kill may have been meant to make it seem like you were trying to cut Sanpei short and kill their conversation. Also, could you explain your reads, especially on Manning and Horatio?

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"This is in italics," I say about the comment on Horatio. Guess what's not in italics?