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I just subbed in, but after reading through the game I'm also leaning towards Brad P. as the next shot target, although I've probably missed quite a few scumtells/hints because it was 26 pages after all.

So we think there's one Mafia left? We've got plenty of time to find them, then. I'll hold off my gun vote and my shot vote until this day picks up a little, though.

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Hi everyone, I've read the entire game since I have been subbed in, and now I am ready to contribute. Sorry if I misrep anyone, 20+ pages is a lot of content to catch up on.

Alright, so from what I can see, there are two likely outcomes as to who the last remaining scum could be. Vicky T, or Lakoko J.

Scenario One involves Vicky being scum and Lakoko getting a true scum shot on Day One. I think Vickys play has been very off putting. A forgettable Day One as mentioned by Lakoko. Day Two Vicky's main focus is pushing inactives to be shot over actually contributing to scumhunting. He was also one of the earlier adopters of switching the votes to the person who was corrupted (forget your name sorry). Day Three his logic was bad, whih isn't scummy by itself, but it was accompanied by a lot of complete reverses on reads he had. Vicky is who I would want shot the most.

Scenario Two encompasses Lakoko being the final scum, and having bussed the dude/chick that got shot. I'm really glad that Zenkiti shot Zack, because Lakoko and Vicky don't make sense as scumbuddies, but now we don't have to worry about that :^). Zenkitis shot is a much less likely bus attempt than Lokokos because the numbers for scum are so  low right now.

As you can see, I think Vicky is our best chance at shooting scum right now. Lakoko's a good backup plan. Zenkiti is the most likely town in my eye because scum bussing at 1v8 is kinda preposterous.

Dorian B or myself seem like a good choice to vote to get the gun today (It's hard to pick from inactives to corrupt for scum).

Vote: Dorian B
To shoot Vicky T.

I'll have content on the rest of the player list later. Kinda busy today. Around 6PM EST ish.

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Well this should be fun! I'm reading through the game now, hopefully my slot isn't doing too bad.

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I like how you question why you're getting such a good townie read on Lakoko, and then end up giving her a 2. Which means very townie. If you question it, shouldn't she be higher? At least a 4 or 5?. (in general scoring people with number kind of makes no sense and feels random but w/e. Just say who you have fos on and who's a town read to you, and avoid this system imo.)

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I second what Brad said, only good thing Lakoko has done is the shot against mafia. As a townie, she's really not doing much since then other than suggesting really questionable things or agreeing with other stuff.

But anyway I mostly wanted to post this in response to something Kimimaro said. "Mary J., you make it sound like Hinata's deciding who to shoot... Again, as I've said, town is deciding who to shoot and she should follow through with it." that seems a really good idea on paper and I agreed with it before, but you have to see the facts. And that is that it's almost deadline and this idea seems to not be working. Hinata mentioned on multiple posts that she'll probably shoot Zack for her own reasons, which means that whatever we "vote" on who's going to get shot, she'll probs still go for Zack. Also, since almost everyone isn't 100% certain on who we should shoot (most people have said 1 person, but also 1 or 2 more as backup, including me), I think the best is to just let Hinata read through everything with a clear mind and decide on who to shoot. but if we're all going for the "vote" thing, then I'll risk it and keep my "vote" on Lakoko. But I still think letting Hinata deside is best for this day at least.

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This day is getting really frustrating, isn't it?

Anyway, for now I'm going to back off my fos on Lakoko. I still think between Lakoko and Brad, Lakoko has the slight edge of a chance to be scum, but both could be town or Brad could be the scum. Letting the Brad vs Lakoko thing go on longer would be a good idea, maybe. In one hand it will let us see them argue more and think about who's the scummy one more thoroughly. On the other hand, if we shoot one of them, we get more info for next day even if we shoot town. So idk. I'm fine with shooting either Marina or Zack, both are inactive and don't add anything to the discussion. I'm more leaning towards Zack right now, just because he JUST posted, and all he posted was a summary of what has been going on. Like dude, we need your opinion/point of view, not a summary. I think I've said all I want to say for this day, I'll remain quiet till deadline unless people say something I need to respond to. I think the best thing we can do now is hope Hinata makes the right move, and hope she reads all the posts thoroughly to make her decision. Also, let's hope she has good luck as well, cause seriously this theme needs quite a bit of luck or amazing scumreading skills if you want to succeed.

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Hinata, it's not a wagon. We have reasoning for what we say. I posted saying why I think our best option is Lakoko right now. Please read all posts thoroughly and not just skim through them. You can't just dismiss our points and call us scummy. Also, as if scum would ever try to go ballsy and pull out a Lakoko wagon esp since Lakoko is seemingly the Town god since she shot Mafia. (or as if scum would team up so obviously.) We're not saying Lakoko is 100% scum or anything, but there's a chance she is especially taking into account her "luck" with killing Mafia day 1, her vendetta against Brad only because he said we shouldn't think she is confirmed, and the way she shifted the vote from you to Vicky for no reason. Why she thought you'd be corrupted, I still have no clue about that and no one does. Vicky having the gun is so unreliable for town since she seems so weird changing her mind all the time, so that was a really weird suggestion. Anyway, as I said... I think Lakoko is the best option cause even if she's town, we don't lose much and we gain so much more info as to who would be mafia. But again, I'm trusting the gun to Hinata, and I'm telling you to decide between going ballsy and shooting Lakoko or just go for someone else, like Marina or Zach or whoever. In my mind, 2 options: 1) lakoko 2) anyone inactive/semi-inactive. If I had gun, I'd go for Lakoko, cause if she's mafia we pretty much won, and if she's not we don't lose much.

I know I pretty much repeated my points here, but that's cause Hinata seemed to just skim through our posts and not see the reasoning. Which we have, and Lakoko in most of her posts has questionable reasoning and ideas/sugegstions.

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Yes, she did say why she thinks Vicky should get gun but it makes 0 sense. How or why would Mafia corrupt Hinata? As I've said countless times, she did NOTHING day 1 that it would make her a target, and now she's the best town read we have, it's our best choice. Mafia either corrupted Lakoko or someone random, if we're so unlucky and that random person they corrupted was Hinata, then so be it we're unlucky. But her saying Hinata isn't a safe bet but Vicky is, makes no sense. Both have similar chances of being corrupted. And Hinata is a better town read. I seriously cannot trust Vicky with a gun. She changes her mind every 5 mins on who she wants to shoot, and half the time she gives no legit reasoning.

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First of all, not a random following. I was about to post that I found the way Lakoko shifted the vote from Hinata to Vicky for no reason, iffy. But Brad had just posted his thoughts on Lakoko and they reinforced mine. Also, I haven't been posting? I'm like checking this all day and replying to everything. Not my fault that when I went to sleep you guys went super active and posted like 4 pages for me to read lol.

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Ok so, about who we should shoot. Tbh, I said it above. Either we go ballsy and shoot Lakoko or we go for someone else. Who that someone else may be, idk (probs Marina, maybe Zack or Zenkiki). For me, best move is shooting Lakoko since either way it's helpful I think. She's mafia? Cool. She's town? Not so cool, but we get more input on who could be mafia and also this divide between townies that suspect her and townies that just blindly follow her will disappear I think.

Reasons I think Lakoko could be scum: 1) Her shooting Mafia D1 when almost no discussion happened was too lucky, could very well be mafia bussing. 2) Her posts this day are iffy with questionable suggestions (suggesting we give gun to someone scummy, shifting vote from Hinata to Vicky for no legit reason, saying we should kill Brad just cause he's been saying we shouldn't automatically think Lakoko is clear etc).

Lakoko H. is the best choice in my mind. But if you guys don't want to risk it, I'm fine with Marina U.

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May I ask why you'd want to shoot me? lol. Like you can't just say that without any reasoning. (this is why I think giving Vicky the gun is a bad idea, posts stuff without explaining and sounding idiotic 50% of the time, not saying he's mafia or anything, but yea)

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Ok I thought about this more thoroughly, and tbh this is what I think our options are:

1) We give gun to Hinata or whoever you guys want and we do a ballsy move and shoot Lakoko. This is kind of risky, but I'm willing to go for it because it could also be very rewarding. If Lakoko ends up being mafia, we pretty much win the game. But if we shoot Lakoko and she ends up being town, we lose a townie yea... but in my mind, we don't lose much. Think about it, what has Lakoko been doing to benefit town besides randomly pull the trigger and kill a mafia day 1? Her contribution to the discussion is kind of whatever, I don't see her being very helpful. Also, killing Lakoko would help us even if she ends up being town. How you ask? More input on who could be scum. Right now, all Lakoko's presence does is divide town into 2 groups... the ones that just follow her despite of how iffy things she says might be, and the ones who still consider the chance of her being scum. Killing her is a win/win imo. She's mafia? Cool, we pretty much won. She's town? Meh, whatever we made a mistake but it doesn't matter much.

2)We keep on following Lakoko blindly (I don't like this) and kill an inactive like Zack or Zenkiki. (I don't want to say kill Brad, it's like going with Lakoko's supposed plan, if she's mafia)

I'd support we go for the first option, cause yea it's risky but it's also way more rewarding. 2nd option will most likely be, us killing an inactive townie.

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Alright, those were a lot of posts to read in one sitting. Anyway, I may get some hate for this but... I have to say I agree with Brad's post about Lakoko and him trying to defend himself above. I don't just agree with him, I felt the same way about Lakoko before he even posted it. Seriously, all Lakoko is doing is go against Brad because he is saying that we shouldn't automatically think Lakoko is clear. Umm, hello? Why should we think Lakoko is clear? Mafia bussing mafia is not a new thing at all. Lakoko's posts this day have all been either not helpful, or questionable strategies (like giving gun to scummy person). Also, I found it really suspicious how Lakoko shifted the vote from Hinata to Vicky with almost no legit reason. I really don't see how or why you'd think Hinata would be corrupted. She is an almost safe bet. She did NOTHING day 1 to make anyone even notice her. And she is a very very good town read now. Vicky could be almost as safe, yea. But why shift the vote to her for no reason? She's just using her influence on the town to shift the vote to Vicky and get Brad shot. I'm just saying, don't read anything Lakoko says as if she's a confirmed townie. Don't ignore anything that's iffy. I'll keep my vote on Hinata, no reason to follow Lakoko and shift the vote to Vicky.

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Lakoko H. wrote:I did think about my suggestion and I still stand by it.
My idea was just for the today since maf can play accordingly if we make our choices predictable and I think that if we pick someone that we suspected yesterday to shoot someone of our choice it will negate the corruption factor for today.

And I honestly doubt that if we pick scum to shoot he will rebel and shoot someone else because he will be confirming himself as maf and taking only one townie with him and with nobody being confirmed and no PRs, its basically suicide. If the shooter rebels it can possibly reveal the one that he refused to shoot as his partner because zi find no reason for a mafia to suicide and take a townie with him instead of shooting a townie without getting any additional suspicion in the process.

That's all good on paper, but I still think we shouldn't go for it. You are ignoring one thing, and that is if we give gun to a person we think is scum, then the chances of the one we shoot to be scum are lowered. Like there are only 2 scum in the game left. If we pick 1 to give the gun to, and he turns out to actually be scum, then the one we shoot has way less chances of being scum. It's better to give the gun to someone we think is town and hope he didn't get corrupted (and as I said twice already, either you got corrupted or someone random... not much really happened Day 1 to make mafia think someone other than you should be targeted). It's better odds to hope that we're shooting 1 out of 2 mafia, than giving the gun to 1 of them and hoping to shoot the other.

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I found your post and the way you talked about it scummy, Lakoko's post seemed more of a suggestion that she didn't think about thoroughly, at least in my eyes. Also I said, I already had suspicion on you from your posts day 1 and now that post made me suspect you even more. I kind of get your (and Lakoko's) point now though, going for who we think could be scummy to avoid corruption. I still don't agree with this strategy though, I'm pretty sure Mafia either corrupted Lakoko or someone random (cause from day 1, litterally no one said anything that could make them a target). So if they went for someone random, they may try to make us vote for them, yea. So far I'm the only one that voted though (Hinata), you could think I'm Mafia for jumping on a vote so early trying to make Town vote the one I corrupted. And tbh, that would be a legit concern. But no, I'm not mafia, and as I said, I really don't care who we give the gun to as far as we agree on who the gunner should kill. But yea, we need more posts/input from everyone. Haven't heard anything from users like Zack and Zenkiti since Day 2 started, so guys post please.

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Brad P. wrote:
most of those things you said are fine by me, I agree on them, except for the part where you said I wanted people to give gun to a scummy person on purpose, you're right, the way you're saying it it's just plain idiocy. I don't know how you ended up thinking I said that, I would never be so stupid. Giving the gun to the person we think is mafia? never. We were discussing about giving the gun to the second most scummy person so they can shoot the most scummy person, though I didn't agree with that because it would make us so easy to read for the mafia. That's what happened.

oh sorry, my bad. It wasn't you who said it, but Lakoko and you just commented on it. Yea, that idea sounds dumb to me. Like, yea giving gun to someone and saying who we want him to shoot is a great strategy, but giving gun to a scummy person ON PURPOSE is idiotic. If we do end up giving gun to mafia, then so be it... we'd still have told him who to shoot, but giving it to a scummy person on purpose is a no for me.

Also, since I checked back to those statements.

Lakoko H. wrote:Well an idea that I've had for decided who will shoot is taking the scummiest 2, and make one shoot the other. that way even if maf gets gun they will be forced to shoot whoever we tell them to or they die the next day.

Dorian B. wrote:That's not necessarily bad though, just because the person that we suspected would be scum will die and thus we cleared another mafia suspect. Thus, I agree with the whole scummy shoot scummy thing we just need to agree on who we think is the scummiest and should be nominated. If everyone could say who we should give the gun to and who we should shoot it will be helpful for scumhunting in the future.

What I'm getting from this is, you guys asking us to give gun to a scummy person so he shoots another scummy person? That. makes. no. sense. What if we end up giving gun to mafia but the person we told him to shoot ended up not being mafia. Lakoko suggesting it, is kind of weird, but doesn't really make her scummy because it was just an idea she had without thinking twice about it (still have your eyes open in case she actually is mafia). But Dorian, seems scummy af with that post + the 2 posts I noticed day 1. Like seriously, the way he posted about supporting Lakoko's suggestion makes me even more suspicious than I was before. I'll still keep my vote on Hinata cause she seems like Town to me, and still fos on Dorian. But I'd like more posts/activity by everyone, come on guys.

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oh, yea. Me saying I have no legit suspicion and then contradicting it is probably because I am not sure about anything yet since it's so early in the game and we have almost no info and not enough posts by people. My suspicion on Dorian isn't really that strong, I don't think (and I don't really suspect Vicky, I'm pretty sure he's probs just dumb/trolling, I just said it could be a mafia trying to act dumb so we think he's just a townie that doesn't know what he's doing). Anything I said/think right now, could be changed with more posts. But yea, I agree with you that I contradicted myself right there (oops), but can you blame me? Took me ages to think/type that post. Anyway, I also agree that we should give the gun to someone that we think is probs a townie (I think I said that in my previous post too). So far, I gotta say Hinata looks like a townie, I'd be fine with giving her the gun as long as we agree on who to shoot first. Also I think Hinata is kind of a safe bet, she didn't really post much Day 1 so mafia didn't have any reason to go out of their way and corrupt her. I'm almost certain they either corrupted Lakoko or they decided to corrupt someone randomly. Anyway, for now I'll vote Hinata and I'll fos on Dorian.

vote Hinata W.

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ok, so I subbed in for the user that was using this account before and I kind of forgot about this for a fw days so sorry about that. I've read every post so far, so I hope I'll be helpful.

What I want to say first, is that I 100% agree with the idea that we should also say or "pick" who we think should be killed. That way we kind of enforce the Mafia to kill whoever we want, if they end up getting the gun.

Brad P. talked about giving the gun to a scummy user on purpose. Which I think is flawed logic. I mean, yes giving the gun to a scummy person (who we think is mafia), would mean that most chances are that mafia havent corrupted him, but that doesn't mean we should go for it. The mafia are as clueless as we all are, so their only 2 options of corrupting someone were either to corrupt Lakoko cause he is seemingly town (though I will talk about that later in this post) or just choose someone randomly, thinking that we wouldn't give gun again to Lakoko cause we would expect them to corrupt him/her.

As for who I think could be mafia, tbh. I have no legit suspicion on anyone. I just want to say that we shouldn't let our guard down and think Lakoko is 100% confirmed as town. Lakoko and someone else could very well be Mafia that bussed their partner to seem Town like the rest of the game and win it easily. I doubt that's the case, but you never know.

As for now, I kind of suspect Dorian for saying we should shoot an inactive and then taking it back the next post. I can see that being a mafia member being dumb, then his partners shouting at him in PM "hey don't be scummy ffs" and he tries to make up for it next post. Another fos is Vicky or w/e his name is, but I think they could just be dumb or trolling, which is more likely with posts like that. But who knows, it could also very well be a Mafia trying to act dumb so people think "mafia would never be so obviously dumb, probs a bored villy that doesn't know how to play on forums". I mean, I think that's the case but you never know.

So far, I say we kill Dorian, but maybe my opinion will change later during the day.

As for who we give the gun, idk. I'd be fine with any user besides Lakoko (could be corrupted), Dorian (fos on him) and Vicky (overall dumb posts).

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Sorry guys I need a sub, personal things are happening that won't allow me to give this game the attention it deserves.

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Brad P. wrote:not going to decide on a lynch quite yet... I'm going to see what people do for now. We should probably discuss strategies. What if someone dies after getting a gun? what if someone shoots the wrong person? obviously the chance isn't very big they'll shoot the right person. What if someone shoots the right person? does that clear them? sure they're a lot less scummy, but what if the mafia is playing a trick with us?

Mafia can bus their partners and shoot them for some easy town cred, especially if said partner hasn't been playing all too well. I think scumhunting based on content is definitely going to be the best way to figure out town/scum reads. Also this game is really hard to get off cause the voting system is so weird.

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Confirmed!

Time to shoot town.