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Game 24: Near-Vanilla

Will post tomorrow. Apologies.

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

Delilah H. wrote:Brodie, the thing that went wrong

...?
....The thing that went wrong was....?

And, also, what Furfrou?

Game 24: Near-Vanilla

Hypoing doesn't always work out well, but it does have a time and a place for proper use. Hypo's drawback is that it makes it easier to find the power roles in the first place. In this setup, frankly, we lose more by freaking out about doctor/JK than we would if they were completely underutilized. If they die a night or two earlier than they otherwise would have, it's bad, but certainly not awful.

What, exactly, went wrong with the hypo of that Jungle Republic?

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Mimi F. wrote:Brodie, what's your opinion on Annie right now?

At the moment, very town, because she changed my mind on something that I was doing that could have potentially hurt town a great deal. Of course, it could be contrarian scum just trying to make me look bad while making them look goo, that is their job after all, but mine was a particularly volatile idea that could have handicapped town going forth. The ultimate outcome of that interaction was beneficial to town (at least while looking at the world from my current post-Annie pre-TheFuture belief set), which suggests sincere town intent.

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Annie F. wrote:I honestly don't get the point of this post, because to me it seems like you've basically taken my post and put an awfully long explainer after it so that even retarded people will understand my point. A simple "yeah you can't say anything about the claim if everyone claims VT" would have had the same meaning and less words. This just makes you look smarter, it makes you look more towny.

Whups. I misread your post; I thought you were advocating for a mass vanilla claim, saying that there was no reason for us all, collectively, not to allow for the claiming to occur.

Annie F. wrote:You have made some good points, but for some reason you feel the need to put awfully long explainers in it, which honestly doesn't make me very inclined to trust you, seeing as a reason to be doing this, again, could be because it makes you look more towny.

Just how I talk.

Annie F. wrote:I'm not going to quote your huge post because it's huge, but I will respond to it. You, once again, give a huge explainer as to why you think JK should claim, but consider this: the doctor is actually more likely to stop protecting the JK for a cheeky wifom because it's not their OWN life on the line. To them it's actually not as bad if the JK dies as it would be if they themselves were to die. If they themselves die, that's it. It's game over for them, if the JK dies that sucks, but they're still in the game. They'll take more risks with other people's lives than with their own.

I... See. I didn't anticipate that before, because the thought that doctor would have any reason not to protect JK seemed dumb, so I didn't think about it. Fallacious empathy. Just because I wouldn't do it doesn't mean nobody else wouldn't.
In that case, because even if one PR dies, the other can still live... Yeah, I see that point. I was weighing the benefits of authority and increased surety if a protect is nabbed (doctor saves being distinguishable from a maybe save/maybe role block)---over the likelihood of a save occurring in the first place plus avoiding the power role domino effect. That's evidence that I did not previously consider, so now, after re-updating my beliefs...
I am convinced that JK claiming is probably a very bad idea unless they are absurdly stupendously capable of leadership, well above the threshold I previously demanded of them.

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Also can we all agree we're only like a billion standard deviations of awesomeness above game 23?

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Just a word of advice to append with what Delilah said: doctor, if you suspect you saved someone, think very carefully if you want to soft, and do not do so stupidly. ...Really, this entire game rests on the respective intelligence of those two roles.

Mimi, answer me this: what is your opinion on Delilah?

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Delilah H. wrote:
Mimi F. wrote:If JK claims, doc could protect JK, but if the JK jails the doc then it's rip JK. Not the most sound strategy.

sounds very follow the cop-esque tbh

Do you have more to offer?

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Annie F. wrote:Are we still talking about the asking people to claim VT thing? because no matter who you ask, they should be claiming VT. that's common sense.

What do you believe, and why do you believe it?
For a VT claim to have meaning, it must mean something. Literally everybody claims VT in this setup, except maybe JK or stupid early fake-claiming mafia.
If you're going to run a test, it has to differentiate between two different possible outcomes. Otherwise it's like saying "I painted the Christmas tree red, and it doesn't clash with the wall, so therefore we ought to legalize cyanide." Whether or not a red Christmas tree actually does or does not clash with the color of the wall has absolutely no bearing on the argument we actually care about.
Same thing with claiming VT. We have no new information, the test tells us nothing. "Annie claimed VT, so therefore she's...?"

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Mimi F. wrote:If JK claims, doc could protect JK, but if the JK jails the doc then it's rip JK. Not the most sound strategy.

JK actually can safely claim in this setup, protected by the mere existence of a doctor, a situation so rare and habitually underutilized that I would caution us from immediately classifying it as "scary and very bad" and moving on.
Let's say there was a doctor who could protect herself. The obvious choice is to protect themselves each and every night unless there was for-sure, imminent threat to another less important person. She's more valuable, after all; she should do so for much the same reasons Presidents hide in fallout bunkers during terrorist attacks. So, this comes with the additional benefit of being able to claim, because no way Mafia is dumb enough to target someone who's just going to protect themselves. Of course, WIFOM alert, this makes for an incentive to shift her protect to someone else, just once to be naughty, and see if she can get away with it, because there's a very good chance Mafia doesn't target her that night, having suspected just that very thing. In the end, she and the Mafia replaying their own personal mind games, while the rest of the Town has a much-appreciated leader.
We are in a superlative position than this, even. The JK is guaranteed protection unless he accidentally hits the doctor. He cannot play the mind games himself, and so is protected from temptation. The doctor in this setup is likewise bridled, and less prone to carelessness, because it's Grand Master Leader whose life she holds in her hands rather than just herself, and that just feels particularly... weighty :/
If you think the doctor in scenario one should always self-protect (barring extraordinary circumstances), and I personally do, then the situation we are in comes with only a few differences.
PROS: 1) LEADERSHIP which is awesome so long as the person who's in charge is worthy of it. 2) Temptation for ill-fated trickery on behalf of the protecting roles is diminished greatly.
CONS: 1) When doctor dies, JK dies the night after. Though, in my opinion, better to have loved and lost... 2) JK might hit the doctor, also on the same night Mafia for some reason targets JK, which is incredibly unlikely, but worth mentioning. 3) We're down one protection every night from a possible two, so the possibility of a save is about sort of not really halved. But a successful save only gives us a NL day, and two saves are required for a ML...

Fernando T. wrote:that would be correct.
from what I see from this theme there isnt much that we could really do d1
Lynch Gurkinn N.

Don't randomlynch. It's lazy, and lazy people don't have much of a right to breathe.
(Same for you two fillers up there.)

Towa Q. wrote:If it feels good, do it.
Lynch Gurkinn N.

Are you a VT claim, or other?

1) Bandwagoning on a randomlynch is the most overtly nihilistic thing you could be doing at the moment. Congratulations(!), day one has barely begun, and I don't feel like I can trust you to pull your weight mid/late game now. Consider this a challenge to change my mind.
2) If there ever was an awful claim, it's VT. Literally everybody claims VT in this game except maybe the JK as I've discussed. If JK decides not to claim at all, which is perfectly understandable, then every VT claim makes the Mafia hitting JK slightly more likely. Of course, this holds true if and only if the JK does not claim anything at all themselves. So it's potentially harmful to demand VT claims, and at best useless.
3) Again, the only claim to can or should matter is whether the JK wants to out, which I personally recommend because it would make the game a bit more intriguing than mere Vanilla-where-maybe-a-kill-is-prevented-one-night-so-we-just-talk-and-NL-the-next-day.

To reiterate: JK should make the personal decision to claim if they feel the power of their leadership overwhelms the particular problems outlined above. If you are able and willing to serve in this manner, then the kingdom be thine.

Lynch Towa Q. for bandwagoning on a randomlynch which is baaaad and not at all inviting for good leadersheep.