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also i wish lila at least tried to defend herself before relying on her vig claim
might've give us another vog shot, who knows

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i really tried to explain the events that happened this game with oo ad final scum, but i couldn't find anything. they played very townlike and had no slip-ups as far as i remember except the early game traitor os vig mixup, but i can see town making the same mistake too (two town made similar rl mixups this game)
so i think town had no real shot, unfortunately. well played oo

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i thought marilyn v oo was town v town because of the amount of outside participation that skirmish garnered, and how quickly everyone gave opinions on it, even though it was relatively early game
i townread oo way too much by the time marilyn v titus happened so i thought it was town v scum by poe

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lowkey i think the game would've been so different if hiroki weren't nk'd
they were my strongest townread unfort
i really want to know what made lila shoot them
and um unfort that i was the only clean town

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pls tell me aj is trolling

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hats off to o.o.
f me

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im spamming refresh rn to see if aj has posted yet

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ok i said i was gonna wait for explanations from both people but like
what kind of town player instalynches in lylo over a gut feeling
i've cited my reasons for locktowning o.o already, and they've also convinced me that marilyn is scummier and they're townier. if oo turns out to be scum, hats off to them. lynch marilyn m.

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and state your cases against each other one last time

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i'm not qhing; i'm town. oo please cross

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i've been really busy irl this past week, and I haven't had any time to put into this game, and i'm sorry. I've read back up to the end of day 3 though; i'm exhausted, and i have only 30 minutes left, so i'm typing this up before I finish reading (i wouldn't be able to make this post otherwise, sorry.)
A lot of my reading back was solely to affirm my townread on O. O. I was initially planning on lynching Marilyn today, because I wanted to see how O. O. would act in a lylo with me and their gut tr as the only other players alive; however, that point became moot when O. O. posted saying that he could see both Marilyn and Titus as scum, with the only difference being that they gutread Titus as town over Marilyn. (I think it's safe to assume that O. O. would push Titus over me in said lylo situation, with maybe a few questions to pressure me to confirm their townread on me, i guess?)
Here are my reasons to townread O. O. - I have quite a few of them that I haven't shared with you guys yet.
First is facilitating the plurshift off Titus to Yuzo. I racked my brain to find reasons to do this, and the only reason I could find were if they found hidden-miller Titus as scum, and thought they were their final partner (as Yuzo hadn't flipped scum yet), and wanted to keep them alive. This possibility is ridiculously low though, and I don't think should be taken into account. I also considered they may have wanted to keep someone who sees them in a favorable light, but there were plenty of other players that at read them as neutral or better at that point, myself included.
Marilyn posted earlier, when they were about to get lynched in d4, that town almost basically won since O. O. and I are universally townread at this point. When she posted this, I realized that O. O. had never tried to bring this point up and win me over, and call for an easy win, and I townread O. O. heavily for that. A simple "well we basically win by lynching everyone except myself and nicolette" post would've been so easy to make, especially since I've been clear in expressing my townread on them from early on - and honestly, I would've ridden along with it too, and lynched people in order accordingly. The fact that they didn't do so, and instead has actively read back and made analyses there, makes me townread them a lot.
Speaking of which, O. O. has always had their own independent reads, and was never afraid of disagreeing with me (re. reads on titus/marilyn etc.) and expressing their own views on the situation. The times they did agree with me (like when they read my followup argument against Teaque) felt genuine to me, and not just an excuse to shift plurality.
I had a few other reasons for townreading O. O., but I can't remember them at the moment, and i have no time. If there is another day, I'll be sure to express as such there; hopefully I'll have more time than I do for today.
I hope this answers Titus's question of who i would lynch between Marilyn and O. O. in a potential lylo situation? But i honestly don't understand the point of asking such a question in the first place - were you trying to arouse suspicion on me and get me lynched?

Now for a few comments upon reading back, in no particular order:
I can confirm now that Marilyn's readlist that you guys were scrutinizing was posted very early in d2, before I made any relevant post (as indicated in their read on me then).
I also read back on O. O.'s argument against Marilyn, and I do definitely see hypocrisy on Marilyn's part when it comes to the amount of filler posts; however, I think it's very easy to miss your own filler posts as both scum and town, and still go after other people's filler, if that makes sense. I also do think that my townread on Marilyn was just like your townread on Titus - a gut townread at best. However, in my opinion, Titus has done a myriad of scummy actions (last end of day shenanigans, reaction to pressure, "i'm ready to fight marilyn" etc) that push them as objectively scummier in my opinion. I would also like to add that they haven't done shit today to convince me that they're town over Marilyn, just that they're less scummy? Therefore, I will lynch titus v.
I'm sure I've missed a lot of things here, but I'll get back to them if Titus flips town.

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oh day started already
i'll begin by reading hella back

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i've never been here at dl
does aj post immediately

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im not attempting plurshift tho. i want marilyn alive and im not letting any accidents happen

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im p sure titus just hard slipped

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>saying tomorrow is inevitable
was that a slip?

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>>>>>>>>

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also i hate that titus lynched marilyn solely to put the lynch in your hands. thats scummy af and i can't point this out enough

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tbh o.o. i want to reread your argument once more before giving you an answer on that, but obv no time there. i do feel like you're tunneling marilyn though, much like i'm doing to some extent with titus; this is another reason why i want you to put off lynching marilyn for at least one more day, because i think the debate should be between marilyn and titus, not marilyn and teaque. i want to dedicate a full day in rereading our interactions with each other on that front and argue it out there. also teaque is objectively way scummier imo

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also o.o. read back to my followup argument against teaque. it shoukd be the first post on this page, and i think i present a more convincing argument there. please comment and judge accordingly

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titus you're basically saying you're willing to spend a mislynch and sack someone you think is less likely to be scum. oml

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wtf titus no
if anything, let oo lynch forst so you can hammer teaque im not letting marilyn die over bullshit like this

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the scummy part about titus's plurshift was titus's own admission that it seemed scummy, and titus's panicked writing style seemed a bit forced. to me, a simple 'i want to save myself so don't fault me for plurshifting' would've sufficed. that being said, i do feel a bit hypocritical in retrospect since i defended marilyn's plurshift off herself on d1 as well.
i also think that there's a big difference between conceding a few points of an opponent's argument and flat-out ignoring them. like a huge difference.
i mentioned the earlygame portion because you guys pulled up marilyn's readlist from like days ago (day 1/early day 2) and tried to expose her for being a hypocrite, when so much has happened between then and now, and she's expressed her updated reads on everyone several times since then. i would roughly define early game as up to early day 2 or so, though, since that was when a lot of us started to make real cases against each other, and sparked real discussion.
lynch teaque q. i would like to point out that they were online yesterday after i made my latest post with further accusations against them, and have failed yet again to respond.

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Teaque Q. wrote:
Firstly, I'm not going to respond to something that's basically a conspiracy theory. I'm going to respond here because you're starting a tunnel on me and I don't enjoy that. Your "unnatural placement" isn't unnatural, I fully expect scum reads / town reads on me. I know exactly what I've done and it did warrant at least one or two scumreads at the time. But, If you wanted to pressure me, you should've lynched me. You did not, and therefore what you came up with was a force with no backing. Now onto THIS argument. You are scumreading me for not falling into a trap...? Just because I didn't interact with you in no way makes me mafia. I stated my thoughts for the day, and waited for you and others to state a proper argument against me, because again, No evidence = No pressure. I lurked during Day 3 because I had nothing constructive or useful to say that already had not been said.

Now, I'll be back with another post in 2-3 hours, it'll clarify my thoughts on Day 3 and the current day 4 a bit more.

Maybe it was my bad in calling it a trap. It was a test to see if you would react in a townie way, which you didn't. Also bullshit on "if you wanted to pressure me, you should've lynched me" - are you not going to bother to respond to anyone unless you feel pressured to? or you feel the need to defend yourself? The fact that you say this implies that you didn't feel pressured over my readlist, and didn't bother to respond - were you afraid of posting your opinions and counterarguments for fear of it being picked apart?
If you didn't have anything constructive or useful to say about day 3, why aren't you still looking? You have failed time and time again to demonstrate active scumhunting, and you coasted day 3 because you could afford to. You also haven't explained to us why you're town and shouldn't be lynched today; all you've said is that you think Marilyn is scum, bringing up other people's points on her.
Speaking of which, you're hypothesizing that you might be miller that Marilyn inspected? What? When you basically ignored my entire argument by calling it a conspiracy theory? Can't the exact same thing be said of you, since your read on Marilyn has shifted dramatically since you've returned from your lurking? Aren't you the last scum who thought Marilyn was your partner? I'll also mention again that you lynched Titus with weak af reasoning and kept that lynch on for the entirety of the day, and yet still haven't reacted to the case presented by Marilyn against Titus? Since you've admitted to lurking, and you've said that you did so because everything you wanted to say had been said already, aren't you implying that you agreed with Marilyn's case against them, and that Titus's defense was weak? And now you're suddenly just completely off Titus for no reason, even when that scummy af plurshift happened at the end of the day, and you're bandwagoning Marilyn? You're flipping toward lynching Marilyn because pressure is off Titus at the moment.
I'll also point out that nobody besides me actually had a strong read on you until today, simply because you haven't put out any content for us to read you on, and lynching you for that is perfectly justifiable at this stage in the game, where we have multiple mislynches in our hands. Why, though, are you specifically targeting Marilyn for this, when I posted basically the same thing and called you a liability to town? I say it's because you find Marilyn to be an easier push, given that multiple people read her as scum at the moment, and you're seeking an easy mislynch for today that you can brush off saying "well everyone found her scummy, so..."

Teaque is scum. I want to lynch them, but I'm not leaving Titus as the sole person to not have a lynch placed on anyone.

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I'm going to mostly ignore the last minute plurshift when it comes to adjusting reads for a couple reasons: a) I wanted yuzo lynched in the first place b) I don't think O. O. would actively facilitate a plurshift onto their last scumpartner (albeit the chances of scum o. o. knowing yuzo as their partner isn't very high) and c) I already scumread titus to the point where a scummy plurshift doesn't change my read on them, but just affirms my scumread on them in the first place.

I'll now answer questions/talk about some stuff. first to o.o.:
honestly, a lot of the stuff about everyone missing linda's not vig claim (and subsequently my post where i pointed it out) was me being salty about the fact that nobody noticed it. The reason why I didn't lynch them, though, was because I wanted to keep them alive since they had told us they wouldn't be available until the next game-day, and I wanted to pressure the f out of them and potentially draw out more information.
The reason why I brought up the lylo situation is because I'm actually thinking about the endgame, and am considering who I would lynch if I were in a lylo situation at the given moment with any 2 of the remaining alive players. My obvious best choice for this is o.o. and marilyn, because I townread them both; the two of you would also be great in the sense that you two have a lot of interactions with each other, and I would be able to make the most informative decision if it were to come down between you two. At the moment, I scumread both Titus and Teaque far too much for me to ever consider not lynching them in said situation; the cases against them have far too much weight (Marilyn's case against Titus was solid, and Titus crumbled under that pressure; I'm getting to Teaque later). I also want to make it extra clear that don't see either of you as scum at all; I'm just saying that I would have an actual decision to make rather than an autolynch in that situation, and I would have plenty of logs to read back that would help me make that decision.
As for Marilyn's offensive against you, I don't think it's nearly as solid as her case against Titus; I'm crediting her for demonstrating active scumhunting; something which few of us have actually done in this game. I also think Marilyn's defense against your accusations on her have been solid, far more so than Titus's defense on others. You guys also need to drop the hypocrisy thing about reading people based on post quality, and I say this because I want to qualify that statement: we shouldn't be reading people based on post quality at this stage in the game. I think it's totally fine to read someone as town for good quality posts in the early-game, because those are coming from the players' own volition and can be taken as an attempt to get a conversation started.

on to Titus:
the plurshift was really lame, but you wanted to save yourself, and I can understand that from both a town and scum perspective, so I won't dock you off too hard.
what I don't understand, though, is why you lynched marilyn today: haven't you been defending your miller theory as a gut tr on marilyn this entire time? Even if you think marilyn's scummier than o.o., can you say the same about teaque? Nowhere have I seen you retract your miller theory nor your tr on marilyn, which makes me think that lynch on marilyn heavily contradicts your earlier statements.

Now Teaque:
I can also confirm that I've seen Teaque visit the site on multiple occasions on day 3. The reason why I've been checking, I'll get to.
O. O. asks for comments on day 3 and all, but we should be scumreading Teaque for not commenting/posting opinions/pushing reads and participating in the discussion as a whole: what kind of townie doesn't contribute and weigh in, especially when so much in terms of arguments and pushes happened? The fact that they lynched Titus and left the lynch there without bothering to read/comment on Titus's defense makes me think that Teaque didn't care if the d3 lynch ended in a mislynch. I think a town player, if they knew they wouldn't be able to contribute as much for a prolonged period of time, wouldn't leave their lynch on anyone during their absence.
I also set a trap against Teaque in my first d3 post, where I articulated my readlist: I put Teaque as scummier than Titus without so much as explaining why. Considering my case against Titus in day 2 and my followup blurb on Titus in that readlist post, I think my scumread on Titus was clearly stronger than my scumread on Teaque at that point, even from an outsider's point of view (my case against teaque at that point was "change in read was weird in one occasion, and you've been cruising/haven't been actively scumhunting"): I intentionally shifted the two of them on my readlist to see how Teaque reacted to being second scummiest on my readlist. They didn't. Not only that, but they didn't comment on anyone's posts from d3 at all; in my opinon, teaque didn't feel the need to comment because they didn't feel pressured to do so at all, and didn't want to slip up when attempting to seem townie. They therefore missed my unnatural placement of them on my readlist, which would've been an obvious comment to make as a town player (especially given my earlier statement about how town should dissect every post and pressure people based on them as much as possible, and the number of times other players have referenced me saying that phrase).

Everybody get off your respective lynches on Marilyn and Titus: I think it's obvious that neither are appropriate as lynches for today given Teaque's scummy behavior as detailed above. Teaque, at this point, is negative utility to town at best, and I'm not letting a potential scum cruise for another full day. I can't lynch Teaque at the moment, because Teaque himself is the only other person to not have placed a lynch at the moment; they could plurhammer Marilyn and explain it off as an accident, and i'm not letting that happen.