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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Jeanette C. on Fri May 02, 2014 11:39 am

Hajime U. wrote:well i might as well try to vote to spur some more discussion alien lol! queen jocolor geek king farao albino cherry Sleep sunny farao wait thats been done Sad Sad, i'm not good at discussion, so i shall flee *Hajime U. Flees*

Hajime, you should give us your opinions on some of the players. I'm sure there's enough text to at least have a read on some players, particularly Areal, Mason, Duplica, and me. Anything that you bring up can benefit us in the long run - for example, do you have any concern over Duplica bandwagoning my lynch on Bailey and making it sound like Bailey will for sure be lynched?
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Duplica W. on Fri May 02, 2014 11:40 am

Its just general grouping, don't mind me. That is how I'm viewing it as =P

Also, did Satchel delete his post? I don't see it anymore.
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Jeanette C. on Fri May 02, 2014 11:42 am

Satchel N. wrote:Mason A. is slightly town, and seems kinda familiar.


It's this post on Page 2, Duplica, that has stirred up the initial discussion.
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Jeanette C. on Fri May 02, 2014 11:48 am

Mason A. wrote:@Arael, based on my interpretation of the rules, that seems like it is true. Also, just a note: let's NOT hastily bandwagon someone and lets discuss before lynching someone, please?

By the way, I didn't completely forget about this site yesterday

Satchel N. wrote:Mason A. is slightly town, and seems kinda familiar.


This was what happened at the very beginning of the game. Satchel immediately gives a townread after literally one sentence. While what Mason stated is important, it is common procedure in all Mafia games, forum especially, to avoid quick lynches and thus actually discuss, taking advantage of the extended time that we have as compared to real-time Mafia. Therefore, I didn't see anything townworthy from Mason's initial statement alone. Remember that at the very beginning of the game, the ONLY players that definitely know who is town and who is scum is the scum itself, so Satchel's townread could possibly stem from his bias of already knowing that Mason is town, and Satchel could have been trying to gain towncred with his "early and correct" read.

Areal later offered a possible explanation for Satchel's read, which sounded like a buddying defense to me at first, though Mason and Areal later clarified that the stance was intended to be neutral. However, I still think that Areal speaking on behalf of Satchel when I was talking directly to Satchel seemed fishy.

That's my interpretation of the events, but I suggest you all read the discussion on the previous pages and formulate your own opinions. (Then preferably share with us!)
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Duplica W. on Fri May 02, 2014 12:09 pm

Welp. Internet failing. Yeah, I guess I missed that post >.>
And I gotta be honest, I don't really have an opinion on what they said.

Response to Jeanette C.

I didn't say Bailey get lynched was a foregone conclusion. Trying to get at least SOME reads will help the town. I MIGHT unlynch before the deadline, and I'm doing this to see how any possible active mafia might respond.

To be honest, what Mason said was obvious. But what I think is basically

Jeanette C. wrote:Therefore, I didn't see anything townworthy from Mason's initial statement alone.

Yes, that statement alone doesn't give any help, but one shouldn't just think he is mafia for saying that. For Satchel, one could also say that he is mafia, and that he knows Mason is mafia, therefore giving a "Town" read. With the town credibility, IF Satchel was mafia and he gave a "Town" read on Mason and Mason flips Mafia, he could always just say that he has bad scumread skills.

However, all this bases on the fact that Satchel is mafia, and unless he says anything more, we can't (or can we?) assume that he is scum.

And as I said, I don't really have an opinion on what Mason and Areal right now, although it does seem that they are defending each other.

(Sorry for the unclear post, its getting late here D=)
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Jeanette C. on Fri May 02, 2014 12:15 pm

Thanks for the response, Duplica. This was what I thought sounded like Bailey was a set lynch:

Duplica W. wrote:Of course, after reading my post the mafia might just let Bailey (if he is mafia) die, but that would be a disadvantage.

But yes, Bailey should respond to our lynches.

Duplica W. wrote:Yes, that statement alone doesn't give any help, but one shouldn't just think he is mafia for saying that. For Satchel, one could also say that he is mafia, and that he knows Mason is mafia, therefore giving a "Town" read. With the town credibility, IF Satchel was mafia and he gave a "Town" read on Mason and Mason flips Mafia, he could always just say that he has bad scumread skills.

Regarding Satchel, you just gave an alternative scenario of how it would be beneficial, if Satchel was scum, to give Mason a townread. Of course, there isn't a whole lot to go on, which is why Satchel's response would be helpful - but that's why I'm just leaning towards him being scum, not necessarily entirely confident on that read. Hence why none of us have actually voted him either!
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Duplica W. on Fri May 02, 2014 12:20 pm

Right now, I'm really only random lynching. I have never played Forum Mafia before, so I have no real idea on how stuff works. But I got the gist of it.

For now, I'll wait for any reaction, whether scum or town.
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Jeanette C. on Fri May 02, 2014 12:21 pm

Yeah no worries! I have never played a No Outside Contact Forum Mafia either, so I'm still adjusting to how to analyze only the posts in this thread rather than talking to people privately through PM.
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Jeanette C. on Fri May 02, 2014 12:41 pm

Also, ajhockeystar could you please clarify the deadline. The previous vote count said May 5th the Tuesday - is it supposed to be Monday? Thanks.
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Areal I. on Fri May 02, 2014 2:45 pm

Duplica is being sporadic, and, with her lynch on Baily, bandwagoning.
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Areal I. on Fri May 02, 2014 2:47 pm

Also, we definitely need more people online. It is very possible that the mafia hasn't even come online yet, which would be hilarious considering that we have already had four pages of discussion about someone who hasn't said more than "confirming".
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Jeanette C. on Fri May 02, 2014 2:52 pm

Lol yeah I feel you, Areal. Literally half of the game hasn't said anything game-related: Yuriko, Chaz, Bailey, Huromi, Hajime. Even Satchel, besides from his one statement that we are dissecting, hasn't been on.
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Areal I. on Fri May 02, 2014 2:58 pm

I think AJ should remind people in the PS chat about this game because otherwise we might not actually have a game
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Jeanette C. on Fri May 02, 2014 3:00 pm

Which would be really sad since we've already invested significant effort in this game. Unlike say, Medical Mafia lol.
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Areal I. on Fri May 02, 2014 3:04 pm

well you're writing an essay for each post
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Jeanette C. on Fri May 02, 2014 3:06 pm

Areal please. My posts pale in comparison to outside Forum Mafia games - I have yet to break out the TLDR!

Also, Google me - I'm a professor from University of Columbia, so were you expecting lower standards? ; )
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by ajhockeystar on Fri May 02, 2014 3:32 pm

Votecount 1.1
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Bailey E.(2): Jeanette C., Duplica W.
Duplica W.(0):
Hajime U.(0):
Satchel N.(0):
Huromi M.(0):
Chaz R.(0):
Yuriko P.(0):
Mason A.(0):
Jeanette C.(0):
Areal I.(0):
Not Voting(Cool: Hajime U., Satchel N., Huromi M., Areal I., Chaz R., Yuriko P., Mason A., Bailey E.
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There are 10 people so it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is Monday the 5th at 9pm EST.

Plurality applies. If the deadline was now, Bailey E. would be lynched.

Chaz R. still has to confirm their role. If I don't find them online today or tomorrow, I'll sub them out.
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Mason A. on Fri May 02, 2014 7:26 pm

I uh... wow. That's a lot of discussion (comparatively, anyways). Honestly, I get the activity vote on Bailey, but I don't understand why Duplica felt it was necessary to add on to that. There isn't really much for Bailey to be pro or anti town, given that she's posted.... once.

I don't think there was much else in the discussion that I needed to talk about, please tell me if I missed something so I can try and help out and say what my thoughts onthe matter are.
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Chaz R. on Sat May 03, 2014 9:07 am

I am pretty sure it should be Chaz P. Not Chaz R. Coz Chaz Princeton

But anyways, confirming role and sub!
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Huromi M. on Sat May 03, 2014 9:21 am

I've read what you guys have posted and I got a basic idea of what's going on, so be sure to point out if I misunderstood anything!

To add on to Mason's point, I understand that Jeanette started a lynch on Bailey because she said that she's a villy. However, I also question Duplica's vote since we should really discuss more.

Hopefully the others come online, and we can hear their perspective, especially Bailey.
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Chaz R. on Sat May 03, 2014 9:36 am

I have to read yhe disscusion and let it sink in, before I can do anything
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Satchel N. on Sat May 03, 2014 10:02 am

prod dodge, catching up
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Satchel N. on Sat May 03, 2014 10:07 am

Mason A. wrote:Aw geez, the point of this is to remain anonymous, and I don't want you guys to figure out who I am. The nice thing about this game type is that there are no night-phases, so being pro-town won't get you killed like I always am.
Anyways, there doesn't really seem to be very much discussion... is anyone else here? What do you all think about each other? There hasn't been much that people have said, so I don't really have a read on anyone...
Well yeah that's why I havent outted my guess yet.
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Satchel N. on Sat May 03, 2014 10:09 am

Jeanette C. wrote:Oh, awesome, the game has started!

Satchel, I am curious as to what part of Mason's first after-the-game-started post seemed town. Mason urges us to not hastily bandwagon others and to discuss before we vote. Well, that should be the case for all Forum Mafia games, so I don't think there was anything particularly scum or town-motivated in that post alone. What did you see there, Satchel?

I do think that Mason brings up a good point in the post above. Because this game specifically has no night phases and thus no opportunity for the Mafia to selectively kill off active members of the town, all players, especially town-sided members, should be actively participating. We can't get any reads on other town members if nobody speaks up, so I hope that the discussion won't stall (didn't jinx that, right?).

Yuriko, what is there to be confused about this early? If you need any explanations, I'm sure several of us here can help you - just ask!
Its more town than scum.

Also what kind of town player (besides a pr), intentionally chills in order to avoid the nk?
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Re: Game 6: Black Flag Nightless

Post by Satchel N. on Sat May 03, 2014 10:12 am

Jeanette is town for obvious reasons
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