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Game 28: Guess Who?

Honestly molly you were playing really scummy, it's not my fault if I scumread you at that point. Also you are the one who kept going after Nathaniel (townie) and me (townie). In the end I did know for sure Grimm was scum but there wasn't really any way for me to deal with that.
by Wilma F.
on Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:26 pm
 
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Well here's to hoping Aya and Lulu both come on before deadline and end up lynching Molly, if that doesn't happen gg Molly and whoever your partner is. I'm slightly baffled by how oblivious everyone has been all game but then again, it usually ends up like this.
by Wilma F.
on Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:47 pm
 
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Mrs. Grimm wrote:Well I'm now looking at it purely from a 'possible pairings' POV. I've excluded the possibility that both Wilma and Molly are town so:
Lulu+Molly: Frankly I believe Lulu is town. But if she was scum this pairing makes a little more sense than Lulu+Wilma. However, there's really no reason to suspect these 2 might be together. 'Wilma is scummier than Molly' is my opinion as well, the only thing I have against Lulu is her disappearance from time to time.
Lulu+Wilma: I really really really really think this is impossible now. Just because I expected Lulu to actually defend Wilma over Molly. She could have done that without seeming scummy, shifted the focus on lynching Molly, with Aya agreeing.
Aya+Molly: Meh. It could be Aya and Molly playing us, but I don't see it tbh. Aya's been against Molly for a while, it's not something that is showing right now, and I don't think she'd be preparing for a bus 3 days in advance.
Aya+Wilma: Bingo! Well, at least this makes the most sense. I think they thought they had Lulu on their side and could get an easy lynch on Molly on Lylo. That's what they've been trying at least and Nathaniel was unknowingly helping their agenda.


First of all you seem to believe I am a scumteam with Aya because you think we'd think Lulu would be on our side? And you think that we would lynch Molly at the beginning of the day without actually getting a good guess going on who everyone was thinking about on this day? That would be incredibly stupid?

Like I get that lynching quickly on lylo is stupid either way but if I were mafia I'd actually play really passively and see who was seen as scummy by a town member, then subtly shift my focus to them and eventually lynch them with support from the town member. I would be a lot more patient with my lynches. Also I'm not sure why you'd think Lulu would be on my side? I was pretty sure Aya would agree with me on Molly being scummy due to her actually talking a lot about that in her readslist, but I still wasn't sure so I don't know what kind of magic you have that makes it so you can predict what lulu would think, but I don't have it.

Now as for the pairings I might as well comment on my own take as far as the Molly pairings go,

Obviously a Molly+Aya pairing wouldn't really work out, considering Aya seems to be planning on lynching Molly. which could be a bussing thing where if we do end up lynching Molly and she flips scum Aya can be all like "I was right!", and at this point that would be worth it for mafia tbh, especially considering switching her lynch now would be weird and at this point it looks like there's going to be two people on me anyways. Still though. Not likely

Then there's the Molly + Lulu pairing, which would kind of work out, remember, Molly started attacking me and scumreading me due to me lynching Lulu and making a post about how she was scummy. Molly then kept talking about how I had no content and went on and on and on and on about that, though Lulu does say I have good thoughts at least. It's definitely a possibility with Lulu just not very clearly picking a side for a while until now when it's lylo anyways so if this works they win. definitely possible

And of course Molly + Grimm, you know, Grimm who lynched Nathaniel at some point and has been agreeing with Molly a lot since she actually started TALKING. Grimm whose reason that tipped the scale towards me being scum is that otherwise it'd be a scumteam with her (pretending that a Molly + Lulu scumteam isn't an option on the assumption that Lulu would choose my side). Grimm who is now definitely going to lynch me unless Lulu somehow manages to convince her. Again, I'm not sure what made her shift from being mostly neutral towards definitely lynching, but it seems to be her own posts about how the only possible scumteam would include her if it's molly. Also makes it sound as if she's not even going to bother reading what I have to say, just Lulu. definitely possible

Currently I think a Molly + Grimm scumteam is the most likely, though Molly + Lulu is still an option. Not that it matters if you guys won't believe I'm town. Currently I believe it's up to Lulu, considering Aya (hopefully) won't suddenly change her mind and start doing something completely opposite and Grimm to me is more likely to be scum. (she's been pretending a Molly + Lulu scumteam is unlikely and hasn't changed that very much when Lulu stated she was leaning towards lynching me)

This is actually the last post I'm going to make for today, I hope you guys go lynch Molly but if you don't believe me then I guess that's your mistake. I tried.
by Wilma F.
on Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:14 pm
 
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(I know, sudden activity and all that, it's lylo and I am finally no longer busy and my computer doesn't seem to be crashing either.)

First I want to say something more about Molly which is that for whatever reason she just keeps going on about how I "choked up" which is a really weird thing to focus on because for one that isn't actually what happened and I explained what actually happened (she still keeps going on about "choking up" though) and for two, does that really make me scummy if it were true? I mean scum would want to play it out patiently. Nobody but Molly really suspected me. I could have just laid low and gotten someone else as a target. But I didn't.

The second thing I wanna talk about is that things considered, the way this will go is up to Aya, Grimm and Lulu at this point.

For now Aya is leaning towards lynching Molly, though she has asked about proof for the answering questions thing, which honestly I'm not sure how I'm supposed to prove she didn't? But in the end she never answered anything related to what "content" was to her and she still made it a huge thing in her reads.

Lulu seems to be leaning towards lynching me, though she hasn't stated her reasoning for it very clearly. Just saying that it would be weird for Molly to go so aggressive on Nathaniel if she were mafia and how she "attacks" in a townie way, I'll wait on her to post her full thoughts.

Then there's Grimm who seems to be leaning towards lynching me. In a post she goes from saying she is neutral and doesn't know who it could be to saying that it's more likely to be me because... people think Molly's scummy? I get the thing where when you made that post the only Molly scumteam that would make sense would include you, which just doesn't work for you. It's still kind of odd though.

by Wilma F.
on Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:57 pm
 
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Lulu L. wrote:Hi, sorry about that. I had a lot of things to do this week, but I should be able to get my reads done soon. Anyways, in short form, I believe Wilma is scummier than Molly. I know that she did indeed push Nathaniel hard, but it is unlikely for mafia to do so. Furthermore, Wilma had periods of activity splurges, and so far as it seems had mainly scumread only Molly. They do post good thoughts, however, I feel that Molly "attacks" in a townie method. Here are my short reasonings, more detailed one will be posted later but it is unlikely to change.

Mrs.Grimm, I have given my opinion and I want to hear from you too.


I have in fact explained how my "activity splurges" had to do with IRL suddenly getting incredibly busy, and yeah that meant that some days I couldn't get on while other days I actually had a lot of time. It wasn't just "I'm gone for two days" it was "I'll be busy for a little over a week". I have mainly scumread on Molly, that is entirely true. Does that matter though? Molly has only scumread on Nathaniel and me, and look where that got us. Nathaniel is town and he's dead. I'm town and I'm going to die if I can't convince you all of that.

If you guys want me to elaborate on anything feel free to ask, unlike Molly I will actually do the best I can to respond. Yes I know the whole "molly isn't responding to questions" thing might seem a bit weak, but it's a pattern I've seen with mafia where for whatever reason they refuse to bother with my questions, they just pretend I didn't say anything.

I've stated my reasoning many times.
by Wilma F.
on Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:44 pm
 
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Molly Q. wrote:I'm not unlynching, Wilma recklessly lynched first even though it was clearly LYLO. Since I know I'm town, I know she's mafia. Literally it's a 50/50 between me and Wilma, but that thing about not realizing it was LYLO? Absolute BULLSHIT. It should be clear that because she recklessly lynched first that she is mafia, not me.


Have you ever been tired? Have you ever had a moment where you were absolutely convinced about something and were also absolutely done with someone's bullshit? Because that's what happened. I was done with you avoiding questions like "what is your idea of content", considering your reads seem to be based on people having content or not. I was done with the way you've been acting and I was absolutely convinced you were mafia, I am even moreso now. I was tired, I didn't check if it was lylo. It wasn't that obvious to my tired brain and honestly if I were mafia would I be trying to use that as an excuse? no, everyone seems to believe it's ridiculous. That's because it is ridiculous, but it is what happened, and I'm telling the truth. Not some excuse that might go over better with everyone.

Molly Q. wrote:I agree with Mrs. Grimm on Aya + Wilma as the most probable scum team at this point, with Wilma + Mrs. Grimm being second most likely and Wilma + Lulu being improbable due to their early interactions. However, just emphasizing the fact that Wilma choked by lynching me and then saying that she regrets her lynch; because scum didn't quick hammer, in theory, if she were town, I would be confirmed scum to her. Luckily I know she's not so yeah, just everyone note when deadline is because I don't want to be hammered by the other scum member due to plurality.


"Wilma choked by lynching me and then saying that she regrets her lynch" I don't regret my lynch, if I did I might have unlynched, I fully believe that you are scum. What did happen is me realizing that it was lylo today and then saying I probably shouldn't have done that so quickly, but now that I've done it, I'm sticking with it. Especially considering there hasn't been a quickhammer yet. I didn't "choke", whatever that's supposed to mean. I made a decision to stop giving you another chance to answer my questions, considering the only time you actually pay attention to me is when I am lynching you, which, again, is incredibly scummy.
by Wilma F.
on Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:40 pm
 
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"additionally you have yet to respond to me asking why my reads don't make sense, a point which is extremely unclear; generally you don't explain anything you say lol."

This is what Molly said a few posts above and I am looking through her posts and I am not finding anything where she asks me to explain why her reads don't make sense, so if someone can find that, I haven't.

As far as her reads not making sense goes, the fact that she went for me on the basis of "no content" for so long without ever elaborating on it. With nathaniel the bottomline seems to be, again, "no content" with a side of inactivity when the main conflict didn't involve him (which she was reminded of was because of him not being able to do much for a few days, but she kept going on about it) and talking about how he was defensive which, honestly? are we seriously still going to use defensiveness as a scumread thing? I mean I'm pretty sure if you're town you don't wanna die either, so you'll defend yourself.

You also went for Serena for a while because of again, "no content" when she had just started posting and actually had a lot of content in her posts. Which I explained and you ignored.

Also I have to search through all of your posts to try and figure out what reads you had besides "NATHANIEL AND WILMA ARE SCUM BECAUSE OF NO CONTENT" because like 90% of your posts are about that. (I'm not saying I myself am much better as far as that goes but that's because I don't have enough time)

Besides this there's honestly barely any reads to go off. There are some categories of scum/neutral/town and how you already have most of your thoughts on people in other posts and are too lazy to make an actual legit readlist. Your thoughts on people aren't really in other posts, unless you've hidden them.

Then about the part where I apparently don't explain anything I say, I don't always do that no, but any time what I say is more than just a thought or something I'm just mentioning for the sake of it I do actually explain. I explained my Lulu lynch, I explained my lynch on you, several times. I explained my reads to the best of my ability and whenever I see someone asking me a question I try to answer (obviously I do miss the question sometimes.) In the meantime you didn't even want to respond to Aya's readlist with questions directed at you at first, you never would have answered anything directed at you if there hadn't been multiple people waiting on the answer.

tl;dr I find that your reads don't make sense because you don't actually do anything other than say "no content" or some other reason which is weak at best. As far as me explaining goes, I explain a lot more than you do and at least I TRY to answer questions without having to be forced to.
by Wilma F.
on Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:49 pm
 
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Okay that's my bad I didn't realize it was lylo which I should have checked, my point remains in that Molly never elaborated on the whole "no content" shit, which has always been a big problem and is why she's scumread me all that time, unless I missed something.

Also your logic that I "choked up" and lynched first is honestly ridiculous, if I were mafia and trying to get something done in lylo why would I be lynching you right now? It would be way easier for me to just wait it out and hammer someone near deadline.

Now considering Grimm and Lulu were on and didn't go for lynching, there are two options right here, one is that between Molly and me one of us is mafia, meaning a quickhammer isn't a possibility, the other is that the mafia hasn't been able to organize a quickhammer yet.

I am looking through Molly's posts again and I now do see that there are some responses to things I asked, but they are not actually responses to me, they are responses to Aya because someone else caught on and it was now necessary to defend yourself. One person isn't a danger right? two people however... well that's starting to get a little difficult. Also even in that post you never get around to answering what your idea of content is, another question I've had for this entire damned game because you just say someone doesn't have content and then don't elaborate on it when it's pretty clear the person is saying things with content.

Basically I was tired yesterday and wasn't paying a lot of attention, but my point still stands, you still refused to answer for a long time and when you finally did it was to someone else and you barely even elaborated. When I took my lynch off of you and you had found a different target that would be easier to lynch you basically started ignoring anything I said and kept scumreading me, never elaborating on anything.
by Wilma F.
on Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:34 pm
 
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While life isn't quite as busy as it was and I do have some time now there is a new problem called a crashing computer, which means I am not sure how consistently I can actually get on because of the computer possibly having a problem. All things considered Molly is still refusing to answer people's questions and still ignoring everything I've asked her so I am honestly just done with that.

Molly, I'm not saying your scumread being wrong is your fault, I'm saying that you have refused to answer direct questions, which is honestly way too scummy for me to keep ignoring. Right now I wouldn't even be surprised if you're a scumteam with Grimm considering she saved you like that.

Also a whole bunch of other reasons I've mentioned before where her reads just don't make any sense whatsoever.

lynch Molly Q.
by Wilma F.
on Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:48 pm
 
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Honestly between most people having gotten more active (except for myself as I currently have very little time) and Molly still just not explaining herself, being asked to expain herself and then just ignoring it I kind of want to lynch Molly right now, right now all she's doing is talk about how some day cemented Nathaniel as her scumread without actually giving any explanation why?????

Also Nathaniel, your list of everyone's reads has you talking about how I should not quote stuff? like what do you want me to do, do you want me to quote stuff so you know what I'm talking about or do you want me to just say "so I'm gonna talk about post 48 of Nathaniel's now have fun looking that up so this is what I wanna say about it" because I refrained from quoting things just for this post so you would possibly maybe read it.
by Wilma F.
on Thu Mar 23, 2017 2:32 pm
 
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Mrs. Grimm, I have no clue what you are on about in your reads, Nathaniel explained all of that already though so I won't repeat what he said, I just ask that you read a bit more closely because it seems you've missed the point entirely, which doesn't really help with finding scum.
by Wilma F.
on Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:59 pm
 
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hi everyone I currently have very little time, irl is really busy right now so I will be on and make posts but just not as much and I won't put in a lot of time because I simply don't HAVE the time for that.
by Wilma F.
on Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:57 pm
 
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Mirror Serena wrote:
Molly Q. wrote:if I'm supposed to respond to your reads post then I like how you explained your lynches but I don't see a lot of YOUR content in it. I see just a lot of agreeing with other people and neutral reads, which is a little scummy to me. If it's this post...

If it's your most recent post... I think it's that in hindsight... first of all I never hated you for not talking for a day. you were inactive for a large chunk of day 2 and I missed the post where you said you weren't going to be active. please. You were also inactive for longer than that and that was kinda fishy (that explains my first point which I guess you didn't understand??). The rest of your post is just you being SALTY AS FUCK because you are being scumread LOL it's funny because you don't understand how busy I am rn

finally I'd like to note that a mirror serena lynch is fine at this point, as her most recent posts also have little to no content, despite her saying "I finally have time to be active" now.

Additionally I think we should check in on Mrs. Grimm, aj isn't subbing her so she's clearly doing something...


Are you still arguing about inactivity? You mention inactivity way too much and it's a dumb way to justify a lynch

Yes I know you are saying I don't have enough content and I would have to agree with you
However you really didn't defend yourself well against Nathaniel so I will
lynch Molly


Okay wait, I am confused here, apparently Serena is suddenly active (which is a good thing) and decides to lynch Molly, and while I think Molly is incredibly scummy I'm not sure what the reasoning here is? not defending yourself against someone well isn't a great reason (not even bothering to respond like she's doing with me and my questions is though). I just wanna know what your reasoning is here.

As far as the rest of the game goes Lulu seems to have come back when people started getting suspicious about her inactivity, which is very odd.

Molly is still avoiding questions like "why are you lynching x" or "why do you think y is scummy", especially when they're coming from me, and she seems to have just decided to ignore me as soon as I lynched her (besides talking about how it was apparently OMGUS, as if I didn't have a lot of reasoning behind it)

Serena as I said is getting more active and Nathaniel is back too, though his posts are really hard to read because they're messy and I'm bad at reading long stuff anyways. Steveland has suddenly become active too which is definitely strange, for days he just didn't do anything whatsoever and now suddenly he's basically the most active person? so I'd like an explanation from Steveland as to how come he suddenly seems to have so much more time.

Aside from that there's not really much for me to comment on that I noticed right now. I'm STILL waiting for Molly to explain herself properly, so Molly if you decide reading my posts is still worth your time please also take the time to explain yourself and your reads beyond saying "no content" like you love to do. Or I guess you can say no content as reason, if you explain why it's no content.
by Wilma F.
on Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:46 pm
 
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Molly Q. wrote:first of all woah there with the OMGUS Wilma lol. That being said I feel as though that post has a lot more reasoning than all of your other posts thus far and I commend you for that, which makes you slightly more town for me, but not a ton... I am pretty sure that guy is still town and just mislynched because he has been contributing fairly frequently and his contributions seem well thought out. However, Nathaniel suddnely stopped posting when the main conflict didn't involve him, probably to stay under the radar. All of my previous reasons for lynching him still apply, you can read almost every post I've made in this thread so far if you want to know about these in more detail. As for potential partners, I find Grimm, Serena, or Aya all possible just because of their lack of interactions with him (ignoring each other is a common tactic between two scumbuddies) Aya similarly decreased her activity yesterday when the main conflict didn't involve her, so I'm leaning more neutral on her rather than town.

lynch Nathaniel E.


It's not OMGUS if there's good reasoning behind it, and there is. You for whatever reason still refuse to elaborate further on why you think I'm scum after I've asked you several times and also many other things I explained in the post.
I agree with you about Nathaniel, his contributions did indeed stop when he was no longer involved in conflict and when you lynched him he started posting again, that doesn't necessarily mean someone's scum, everyone posts more when under attack but it is still scummy to stop being active.

Anyways for now I'm not going to lynch you again because it'll be a bit before deadline, but I still think you're really scummy, though the fact that you seem to be tunnelling less makes it better.

Guy F. wrote:BUNCH OF TEXT HERE THAT WAS JUST WAY TOO MUCH AND NOT RELEVANT RIGHT NOW

I also noticed that wilma never actually touched on his very first post where I pointed out his overly-aggressive jump on nathaniel despite saying that he has looked through everyone's posts several times. I know it's not much but an explanation of your thought process is still useful.


I honestly just didn't bother with it. It didn't seem important to me, I decided to try and get the game going with a lynch and saying "I'm confirmed" just didn't sit well with me so I thought that if I'm going to lynch someone I might as well lynch that guy.

Nathaniel E. wrote:greaty we might have another completely inactive day where scum just watches town fail Rolling Eyes

LOT OF TEXT

Neutral: Steveland W. (meh), Wilma F. (you leave stuff half not explained but its still decent material), Lulu L. (not sure)

ALSO LOT OF TEXT

wilma f - honestly the main reason im always neutral read on them is because im lazy and don't read the long pargraphs with quotes like right beside them (like pls don't quote everything i don't like to read). anyway, i do believe they are trying to find scum, but don't really give an explanation of their scum read...

ANOTHER BUNCH OF TEXT

Anyway mirror serena, if you don’t talk in the next day or two about what i just said you’re in for a nice quote “bandwagon”. Think you should research what a bandwagon is before you come back.




I'm not sure what you mean by me leaving things half explained? I am honestly trying my best to explain things so I really don't get what you mean by this.

Then you talk about how you don't really read my posts? because of quotes? like dude, I cut out most of the quotes so it's easier, also, no explanation for my reads? go look at molly please, SHE doesn't give proper explanations. Though she's getting better.

Anyways, I don't actually have any time to do more right now so I tried my best to catch up.
by Wilma F.
on Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:54 pm
 
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if anyone's wondering why I died: I had a birthday which I realized on the day of the birthday and as such I didn't have time, I will come back later tonight to actually properly read through everything and comment on stuff, but for now I just wanted to let everyone know that I'm not dead, but don't have time right this moment.
by Wilma F.
on Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:43 pm
 
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Brianna D. wrote:
Wilma F. wrote:so right now I think Steveland is acting kind of strange, with talking about activity and such yet having 4 posts so far. Also completely copying what someone said before with the "confirmed to myself" stuff.

CUT FOR SPACE

as of right now I'm going to lynch Lulu L. for reasons mentioned above at her part. She's just the scummiest right now.


I don't think I seem talkative? But could you elaborate. Because I feel like for most people on this read list you don't know what to think about them so you're just saying subtle things. If you only have reads about some people you can just post that cause when you post reads about everyone and have to make things up it looks likee you're trying too hard which could possibly be seen as scummy


Brianna can you please just read my posts before you start talking about things you want me to elaborate on because I HAVE elaborated on BOTH of these things. Quite clearly. If after actually reading my posts you still want to say something about it please ask something more specific than this, because I have given answers to these questions and I'm not sure what you want from me.

Molly Q. wrote:yeah wilma is still scum here but mirror serena is another possible partner, her most recent posts have no content despite her posting instead of just being inactive. In order of most to least likely scum it's Wilma/Nathaniel/Brianna/Serena. Then "neutral" reads are Steveland/Grimm (the former two because they are inactive) and town is Aya/Guy/Lulu (with Aya being closest to neutral). these are where my thoughts stand for right now, I can give you more in depth reasoning on  my thoughts on each of these people but I don't feel like it right now and I've pretty much stated my thoughts on all of you already


"I don't feel like it" well guess what I haven't felt like properly responding to anything for the past 3 days but I did it anyways because I am town and I want to win, and the only way to do that is by talking with eachother, discussing and explaining your views. So far you have yet to give a good reason for lynching me, you just said my reads had no content to them. I asked you to explain more than the 3 reads which all had very good reasons as to why there was "no content". You didn't even respond. At this point I'm really starting to wonder if maybe you just don't WANT to have to explain yourself properly. Instead looking to lynch one of the more active people if the plur shifts to me. You say you've pretty much stated your thoughts but I asked for more than 3 reads because according to you having 3 out of 9 reads not really saying much (which I explained) is no content. Your ONLY reason for lynching me is because I have "no content" when you aren't even willing to explain yourself properly.

Also as a side-note, did you just say that Serena could be a scumteam with me because ACCORDING TO YOU we both have the tendency to have "no content" in our posts? because 1) I told you it's ridiculous to say I have no content in my posts 2) having the same strange way of posting would in no way make sense as a reason people are a scumteam and 3) I will use your quite where you talk about Serena's post having no content and explain why your definition of no content just does NOT make sense, to make my third point about how you are making no sense.

Molly Q. wrote:
Mirror Serena wrote:Molly you are saying I have no content so I guess you don't see what I'm doing as content and you expect me to have a full read list half way through day 2

Also plurality is on me I don't really appreciate that


I never said you needed a full read list. This is not content though:

"Sorry I've had a ton of school shit thrown at me this week

One thing i'd like to say about the post above, is that you ask this question to Guy as if inactivity is the only reason I would be lynched and is also a bad reason. However you lynched me after Guy lynched me. What was your reason?

If its that im inactive, then you are being a hypocrite in this post
If its that you are hopping on a bw, then dont do that
If its another reason, why are you assuming that Guy is lynching me for inactivity

I WILL TRY AND BE ACTIVE OK ;__:"

in this you
- point out that you are inactive
- say not to scumread you because of your inactivity (which is true!)
- say that you will try to be inactive

this is not content and this has been your only real post. That is all I'm poining out. Any kind of contribution would be good.


So I would really like to know what your idea of content is at this point, because what Selena was doing here wasn't what you said. In fact I am not even sure how you came to the conclusion that Serena was saying she would try to be inactive, though that could be a typo.

What Selena did here was lay out any reason that whoever this was directed at would possibly lynch her. This is in fact content, she gave the three options and explained what that would mean. Yet for whatever reason what you get out of this is that she's talking about her own activity and nothing else, while that's just not true.

What I'm trying to say with this post is this: Your reasons for lynching are bad or poorly explained at best, you somehow always seem to find a way where a post has no content, mostly by ignoring the actual content in the post and pretending it just doesn't exist and you refused to answer a DIRECT question when I asked you to elaborate more on the whole "no content" stuff and if that was the only reason you were lynching me. You just ignored the entire question. You ignored anything and everything I brought up. Why? Probably because there was content in the posts and acknowledging them would mean having to unlynch me. Why does that matter? Because I am active and I am actually making an effort. If you can just keep the lynch on me there's a chance I will die. If Serena proves herself towny enough to be unlynched plurality shifts to me, and then I am basically dead unless I can somehow get plurality to shift onto someone else.

One of the scummiest things someone can do is refuse to acknowledge someone asked them a question, it's happened before many times where I asked someone a question and they just didn't answer. They are quite often scum. For this and other reasons stated above I am going to

UNLYNCH LULU because apparently aj hadn't gotten that already and LYNCH MOLLY
by Wilma F.
on Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:49 pm
 
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Guy F. wrote:
Nathaniel E. wrote:So I was reading through the comments [Dang the activity picked up a little] for like a hour and I came to some conclusions/got some reads. Starting with the first player on the PL:

I CUT OUT SOME TEXT, FOR SPACE REASONS

I dont really have a read on Guy F. except for the fact his first post was  practically useless [it was in my notes didnt really look twice so if im mistaken sorry].

So those are all my reads for now...btw aj ill be gone 3/11 to 3/12 for a tournament so uh...just a heads up Very Happy


Saying that my first post is practically useless means absolutely nothing. Not only was p much everybody's first post useless, i can easily argue that pointing out wilma's aggressive jump onto nathaniel is useful especially because it was fairly early in day 1. Also using my first post as the meat of your "read" just demeans the effort i put to try and make all my posts useful. Idk how i feel about it but it just felt like you didnt put much thought into your reads and just did them for the sake of showing that you're doing something.

Some other things about your readlist. Why does seeing everything in a negative fashion not a townie thing? Surely being skeptical is an important trait in playing this game?

Didnt molly give her opinion on her reads? Ofc she didnt stretch it out over a long post but the points she wanted to get across were all there. If you were referring to her reasoning of scumreading you i am fairly sure she's said it many times already.

Nathaniel E. wrote:
Aya Y. wrote:
Nathaniel E. wrote:
Aya Y. wrote:

Pretty sure Guy F. is spelling out I AM TOWN in bold in his posts.


btw exactly in what post is he spelling that out (for some reason i can't see bold too clearly on my computer)


He just bolds a single letter in each post.  Reading them in order so far spells out I AM TO.


dang. Even after you pointed it out I can't really see it but ok (I see the I but thats it). Unsure if that is Guy F.'s purpose, and if it has any meaning. Guy F. would you like to explain?

quick edit: on second hand, maybe we shouldn't get too caught up with this. I would really like everyone's current reads, because that I feel like is how this thread is going to somehow slowly progress.


The purpose is meant to be for post-game

I see that brianna has joined the lynch. Although i dont mind her joining, i am starting to understand what i believe wilma is trying to say about her. The way she sorta predicted all the things that could have been said against her and went defensive before anyone mentioned it. I mean not only is that excessively defensive, it's weird to be defensive about your own lynch in the same post as your lynch, because lynches are meant to be an act of aggression to stimulate debates and discussions. Being defensive kinda juxtaposes that idea and makes it feel off, as if you aren't lynching for the reactions/information.

However looking at her other posts i dont really see how wilma came to the conclusion that she's overly talkative. An explanation would be nice


So in this post Guy F. is making some good points about the reads and everything, but seems to have misinterpreted things I said about Brianna. I didn't mean that she was talkative, I meant that her way of speaking just looks talkative. She's talking in a way that makes her sentences a lot longer than they need to be where she's just not really saying much of anything while using a lot of words. This probably doesn't make a lot of sense as an explanation. I also don't really get what he's saying about Brianna predicting stuff and defending herself against it and such? so I'm not sure what that is about.

Then there was a post from Nathaniel where he mentioned wanting me to elaborate on what I think about Brianna, which is as I said above, she's using way too much words to say way too little and making it seem like she's saying more than she is actually saying.

Molly Q. wrote:why are you guys lynching the inactive person instead of the person without any content in their reads? Like remember yesterday when the person didn't respond and then they got lynched and they were town... I will lynch Mirror Serena if they, say, comment and they have no content in their reads, or if they do other scummy actions but currently I have no reason to lynch them. I don't like Aya's most recent post nor do I like ANY of Brianna's posts, so definitely more neutral on Aya and potential scum on Brianna but I think a Nathaniel + Wilma scumteam is most likely right now.


I'm mostly just confused here? I mean I'm pretty sure you're talking about me with the 'no content' stuff, though I'm still not sure where you got that idea from as you talked about 3 of my reads where what you said generally just didn't make sense nor does it make sense that you thought it was scummy. Also I would like it if you'd explain why Nathaniel and me would be a likely scumteam? I just really don't get it and would like your explanation besides the idea that you believe I'm scum and you believe Nathaniel is scum. I would also like a clear explanation as to why you think I'm scum and if you're gonna use the idea of no content in my reads please address every single read where you believe there was more for me to say.

Now as I promised, I will do a read on Nathaniel as I haven't really done that earlier.
so Nathaniel as I am making this post has 24 posts. First there's the confirming post, then there's a filler, then his response to me lynching him where he explains his filler, then there's a post that is again explanation about his filler and me lynching him. Then there's a point about needing activity to get out of rvs (note that so far he really hasn't done anything important and if you remove any post that was caused by my lynch and comment on his filler in some way you have nothing left but a confirmation and a filler). I could go on like this but basically his first 10 posts are nothing but filler, talking about how I lynched him and talking about how we should be doing something to get out of rvs, followed by not really doing much of anything.

After this he starts talking about what he actually thinks of people a little with talking about the Muramasa discussion and giving a readslist. Then he starts defending himself against the idea that his posts are generally useless, which up until this point they were. There's some stuff about him being bored. Then there's some more reads, some more filler and then a response to Guy where he explains himself a bit more. then his latest post is a response to Molly.

Basically what's going on here is that he posts a lot but there's filler there and he doesn't really say a lot when he does talk about the game. I'm not really sure what to think of him, he's kind of similar to Brianna except for the part where he posts a LOT more than Brianna. Also he actually has some readslists. I think he's kind of scummy but not as much as some other people like Brianna.
that was longer than I expected it to be, mostly because I just dumped all of my thoughts here while reading through Nathaniel's posts.
by Wilma F.
on Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:13 pm
 
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In response to you Lulu, the purpose of the whole Molly + Lulu scumteam idea was just to put my thoughts here. That's literally all there was to it, it occured in my mind that it could be a reason and I decided to write it down and post it. I clarified that I currently don't think it's a very strong point or theory so that people won't assume I really think that's the case as people often seem to do. As for my Nathaniel read, I am making a post right now with that in it. It's coming.
by Wilma F.
on Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:02 pm
 
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Guy F. wrote:Wilma, if you have barely anything to say about the other people in the game then why did you make a full readlist? You could have just talked about the people you wanted to address since what you would have said would have been useful and not just a bunch of reads where you dont conclude anything from it. Did you feel like making a full readlist would make you appear more town-sided?


I realized that actually going through the pages and reading everything like that would just be too much, so instead I looked through the posts going by person and if I'm going to go through everyone's posts like that I might as well say something about everyone, even ones where there isn't much to say.

Also this whole thing was in response to Molly talking about my "null reads" because apparently reads with no content mean you're scum. Which is honestly ridiculous because in every. single. game. there are people where you just can't get a read, basically what I'm saying is that her reasoning for lynching me is kind of ridiculous and brings up the possibility of a Molly + Lulu scumteam, considering I was lynching Lulu at that point. (not saying I think they're scum, it's a really minor thing which I am pointing out so everyone can consider it)

Now I will be looking through the stuff from yesterday that wasn't addressed at me and also Nathaniel so that post is coming too.
by Wilma F.
on Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:24 pm
 
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Also I forgot to say that as for the other posts none of them were actually directed at me which means that I will talk about what I think was important there later as I am currently at the point where reading all of that is just overwhelming, so I won't do that now. I'll do it later when I have enough energy that it won't be overwhelming.
by Wilma F.
on Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:37 pm
 
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As soon as I hit send I realized it might seem like my entire post might not make sense due to being tired, but that's not the case here, it doesn't matter a whole lot how tired I am when it comes to explaining my own actions, when it comes to other people's actions it matters a LOT though.
by Wilma F.
on Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:35 pm
 
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Molly Q. wrote:unlynch vote Wilma

first of all:
Molly just kind of seems like she doesn't know who to go for or what to do, with asking for activity without doing anything herself, then saying she's happy with Nathaniel's activity only to go on and lynch him.


I made my point clear at the beginning of the game that low activity does not necessarily mean scum, but that high activity from everyone is beneficial for town.

But do you know what DOES mean scum? Reads with no content!!!!!

Wilma F. wrote:so right now I think Steveland is acting kind of strange, with talking about activity and such yet having 4 posts so far. Also completely copying what someone said before with the "confirmed to myself" stuff.

(THERE WAS A LOT OF TEXT HERE, IF YOU WANNA SEE THAT YOU CAN SCROLL UP TO MY READS LIST, THIS IS TO SAVE SPACE)

Lastly there's Brianna D. and something's just off aobut her, when she posts it seems like she's really talkative but she's not really saying a whole lot. 3 of her posts actually don't have anything to do with the game. she has 6 posts.


"Steveland acting strange" - null read
Guy F. - notes that he's randomly putting letters in bold - none
me - I already pointed out why this is bad but it's also a null
etc.

the only legitimate read this has is on Lulu and this suggests that in the coming days Wilma will subtly tunnel Lulu whenever she needs to lynch anyone, which is very scummy. I still scumread nathaniel for the reasons I previously mentioned. Lulu is a townread of mine, I like the way she posts. Guy is slight town, I guess, his read on the previous page is pretty good. Finally I have a gut town on Aya due to his intelligent address of the various issues and misunderstandings on the previous page. the rest of you are idling fucks, please start posting.


so basically this is Molly talking about how she doesn't like my reads and how they have no content, yet she only mentions 3 reads "without content" which is kind of weird for a read? literally anything I say will tell you something about what I think. If that means I am confused you can still get something from that, I didn't have to talk about everyone I could have just picked a few people. Now 2 out of 3 reads she talks about are Steveland and Guy, which I know are a bit lackluster but that's because I started with those 2 and I didn't really think I would do a whole readlist at that point. Then I just never really got back to them.

The third one is about Molly herself and she addresses my read on her without actually addressing my actual point? Instead she talks about how beneficial activity is and such but never actually says why she thinks my read on her is bad or a null read so I'm really just not sure what she's trying to say there.

Then she talks about how the only proper read was about Lulu, which has some merit to it, though that's just because with her I just found more to focus on, which automatically means my read will make more sense, where with others there just isn't that much to go off. This does not mean I will tunnel on her because as you can see, I was satisfied with her explanation and unlynched her. (which by the way, I'd only done in the first place to put pressure on her and actually get someone to explain for a change)

Steveland W. wrote:Wilma, When I was noting activity of the game I wasn't excluding myself (In that I acknowledged that I wasn't as active as the others too)

Next off It looks like to me that you don't have anything positive to say about anyone in the game so far except for Aya (Maybe) , and how are you unable to get a read or anything on Nathaniel he's been basically  the most active and has enough posts to look through to get some kind of read on him. Could you say how you cant get reads on him?

Next off you never really stated in your posts why you distrust Mrs. Grimm could you include some reasoning or some fragments of her posts that make you distrust her? From what I've read from her posts I don't see much reason to distrust her, as she gave reasoning for her lynches one of them at the start of the game the next of Muramasa for not contributing and nothing that was really giving reasoning to not trust her.

Lastly Why a lynch for Lulu, it looks like to me there is better reasoning to lynch others than Lulu, like Serena for example who you said hasn't done much if anything and doesn't seem to care, wouldn't that be better reasoning to lynch someone to try and get them to do something.


First off, no I do not have a lot of positive things to say so far because I've mostly just been looking at what I think is scummy about people and occasionally when I noticed someone was acting towny I mentioned it too. I am looking for scum, so that's where my focus is.

When it comes to Nathaniel, I know my explanation isn't great but basically I was tired and having to catch up with days of posts is overwhelming. In all that I just didn't have the energy to deal with Nathaniel too. I also didn't believe I'd be able to say a lot about him as his way of talking is just really tiring for me to actually try and get a read from. When it comes down to it I was overwhelmed and tired and just really didn't feel 19 posts for 1 person.

My problem with Mrs grimm is that she says "let's just get right into the game" to then have 4 posts after that, all consisting of 1 or 2 sentences. it seemed like she really wanted to do something this game to then just not do it. And it's not like she couldn't get online or anything, she just makes tiny posts every once in a while.

I decided to lynch Lulu at the time because while others were just plain useless, she seemed the most scummy. It also makes people more inclined to address your points when you lynch them.

I will look into Nathaniel and tell you all what I think about him, but I will do that when I am a little less tired as it won't make sense if I do it now anyways.
by Wilma F.
on Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:34 pm
 
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okay I just read Lulu's responses and with the way she's explained things I am going to unlynch Lulu

Now I am going to read through the rest and address what you have all said, though please keep in mind that it's possible for me to forget something and I also don't want to repeat myself so if I think I've already given an answer to something I won't talk about that either. So it would be great if nobody would jump me if I don't talk about their thing.
by Wilma F.
on Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:06 pm
 
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for the first point, I didn't realize you were still online so that's my bad.

with the second point, while you didn't use the word scummy, you did say you really wanted to lynch her, so that lead me to assume you thought she was scummy. that doesn't mean what I said is an outright lie, it means I misinterpreted what you said, which honestly isn't weird because you don't say you want to lynch someone without thinking they're scummy/useless, and I'm certain you weren't going for useless.

as for the third point, as of right now we don't have a lot to go off with most people so there really isn't any reasoning to be had other than someone just acting what seems like weird. Confused just means that I really don't know what to do with the person, I don't know if their behaviour is scummy or if they're a weird towny.

with your second post, that was meant jokingly and to make a point about how things I mentioned before that didn't automatically make you scum.

The thing is, with these posts, as soon as there was pressure on you your personality seems to have drastically changed. Where before it was all !!! and :PPP now you seem VERY serious. Which really isn't making me change my mind on lynching you.
by Wilma F.
on Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:04 pm
 
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so right now I think Steveland is acting kind of strange, with talking about activity and such yet having 4 posts so far. Also completely copying what someone said before with the "confirmed to myself" stuff.

Also for whatever reason Guy F. is randomly putting letters in bold? I'm just confused with this guy

Molly just kind of seems like she doesn't know who to go for or what to do, with asking for activity without doing anything herself, then saying she's happy with Nathaniel's activity only to go on and lynch him.

Serena is just confusing to me? she's just not doing anything whatsoever? She's here but doesn't seem to care.

While Aya Y isn't very active she at least seems to make sense when she says things.

Nathaniel seems like he's trying too hard to make sure people don't know who he is but aside from that I can't really get a read on him.

Lulu seems overexcited for the whole of 1 post, then disappears. Which I know isn't condemning as I did the same thing and I'm personally convinced that I am town, though I would understand if you all aren't. The thing is, she was actually online today, and she hasn't said anything since the start. I just really don't like her logic either, saying someone's scummy because of them saying "confirming"? that just, does NOT make sense. That's more about someone as a person than any roles.

Mrs. Grimm hasn't really done much and I don't really trust her.

Lastly there's Brianna D. and something's just off aobut her, when she posts it seems like she's really talkative but she's not really saying a whole lot. 3 of her posts actually don't have anything to do with the game. she has 6 posts.

as of right now I'm going to lynch Lulu L. for reasons mentioned above at her part. She's just the scummiest right now.
by Wilma F.
on Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:04 pm
 
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