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by Sukisoh S.
on Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:50 am
 
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As always, I did kinda badly. However, I'm kinda sad that I guessed all mafia before I died. Didn't really read too much after I died, but I think Butler and Makino bussed each other really hard.

Anyway, GG game 11.
by Sukisoh S.
on Sat Dec 20, 2014 11:39 pm
 
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Read list redux, as requested from our dear Butler:

Butler:
Sukisoh S. wrote:I have 2 lynch counts on me. Can't exactly do anything direct to it, so here is me trying to convince you guys. If you look back on day 1's lynch and day 3's lynch, you will see 2 things in common. The people who lynched Cassandra, are: Butler, Makino, Gizelle. The people who lynched Gizelle, are: Trinity M., Makino C., Rochelle R., Butler P., Gizelle V. (And me since I wanted to lynch Gizelle). The two people in common are Butler and Makino. Call this OMGUS, but I currently believe Butler is scum.

Mickey has placed a lynch on Gizelle on Day 2, but then didn't join the bandwagon on Gizelle on day 3. I can't remember if she had any change of arguments on why not to lynch Gizelle though, so it might not mean much.


Before you go saying how I didn't talk about day 2, I did in my posts afterwards. This was the reason why I lynched you, and thought you were scum. So, as I said before, still scummy in my eyes, but I have another suspect.

Rochelle:
Rochelle has a high chance of bussing Kaito (who was active but inactive) and is mildly uncooperative in giving out evidence for her actions (meaning she is vague). She recently hasn't done too many scummy actions (which does not mean we can ignore her past actions) but doesn't have a read on anyone; even those who she thinks if more scummy than the other. So, as I said before, still scummy in my eyes, but I have another suspect.

Trinity:
Trinity, despite having little activity (which makes it slightly harder to get a read), is town-read by me as her posts are consistent and logical, and that she doesn't seem to have too much scummy activity.

Fergus:
I suggested that he was town as he views possibilities from different angles (as shown when he suggested that Rochelle isn't scum). However, he has mostly focused on Rochelle (look at his past posts), and could potentially be overfocused on her. Still town in my opinion, but if Rochelle flips town, I'd say Fergus is a good scum suspect.

Makino:
I do not want to go back onto why I think Makino is scum, but its basically based on an earlier theory of mine and (partially) my mistake of misreading the deadline.
by Sukisoh S.
on Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:31 am
 
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Butler P. wrote:Mr. Sukisoh - Has told us many times today and yesterday that he believes I am scummy, yet still hasn't explained how. I'm finding it hard to get a read on him...he made a decent argument when we were on to him, but his most recent read list looked rushed and hastily put together. Neutral

Ms. Trinity - I could copy past my entry from my last read list, and it would be essentially the same. Hasn't posted much, but still plenty of quality posts. Hasn't really taken a stand on anything besides all of Gizelle's madness, but perhaps her readlist will reveal more. Town read.

Mr. Fergus - Haven't been able to get a good read on him...he seems somewhat town like, but again, I can't really tell. It didn't make sense to me how he said so surely that Ms. Rochelle was not mafia. Maybe no one has defended her, but if someone did it would be too obvious that they were a scum team. Neutral/no read

Mr. Makino - People have been against him for most of the game, and I feel as though he has done a decent job of defending himself. His posts make some sense, but there is no denying that he has jumped on bandwagons a couple of times. 55/45 town to scum

Ms. Rochelle - Her most recent "readlist" was just a culmination of different thoughts that didn't combine into anything. She pointed out several things, but she can't decide if they are scummy or not apparently. She brings up so many different things, but she doesn't back them up. 45/55 scum to town


IIRC, I gave reason why I lynched you yesterday, I'll quote it in my next post (along with a complete read list).
by Sukisoh S.
on Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:19 am
 
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Its kinda my fault for misreading the deadline, but yeah, no other way, I guess.
by Sukisoh S.
on Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:26 am
 
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I thought the deadline was tomorrow until I remembered to factor timezone changes, but the feeling of you protecting Butler was still there.
by Sukisoh S.
on Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:44 am
 
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I felt that that lynch was due to the fact I pin-pointed you as scum, and hence my OMGUS lynch. I was going to see if anyone would suddenly lynch a person before the deadline to save Butler, essentially making me think that the person would be on a scum team with Butler.
by Sukisoh S.
on Sun Dec 14, 2014 12:39 am
 
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Ignore that last line, I originally wrote that and I forgot to remove it ._.
by Sukisoh S.
on Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:50 pm
 
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Butler P.: Still scummy in my eyes, but I currently have another suspect.
Rochelle R.: Above
Sukisoh S.: Worst player in the entire game
Trinity M.: I'm leaning towards town for this one. While not too much activity from her, she does post legible stuff and not too much scummy things from her.
Fergus K.: Town. Views stuff from different angles. Well..
Makino C.: Scum. As to why, refer to my previous posts.

Of course, you can see I have 3 scum views. Obviously one/some of them has to be wrong. However, I am going to lynch Makino as his lynch is basically: "No one is talking? Why not lynch Zoidberg Sukisoh?"

Lynch Makino C.
So apparently, I'm currently the most probable scum
by Sukisoh S.
on Sat Dec 13, 2014 10:49 pm
 
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What I said was just a suggestion. Also, just because a person do scummy things doesn't mean they are scum, either. *coughgizellecough*
by Sukisoh S.
on Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:18 am
 
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Sukisoh S. wrote:To be honest, despite what you all think, I want to lynch Gizelle out. She hasn't been helping town at all, and while I agree that mafia wouldn't draw attention to themselves, having Gizelle doesn't help.

Gizelle V. wrote:we only lose if three more villies are lynched, i suggest keep pressuring lurky people and reaction testing
makino, you make no sense, your logic ios bad, you should feel bad, your a lurker, go away scum, etc.


You all already reacted to this. This will be my major reason for lynching her. However, Trinity requested that no one lynch Gizelle, I'll let he

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Also, talking about a sub for Kaito, I'm pretty sure AJ is looking for a replacement. However, I suspect that Kaito is a scum and his partner (active) is trying to pressure aj to get a sub. If we lynch Kaito and he flips scum, I say we have to pick off the actives.
by Sukisoh S.
on Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:34 am
 
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I forgot to quote my suggestion, it will come in a later post.

Rochelle R. wrote:
Andreas B. wrote:Koennen wir haben eine neue Spieler fuer Kaito? Oder droht ihm? Fergus war austuschten, so sollte Kaito auch? Ich bin belebt, sonst ich wurde ihn Profil etwas Aktivitaet ueberpruefen.

((Can we have a new player for Kaito, or is he lurking? Fergus was subbed, so should Kaito be too? I'm busy right now, otherwise I would check his profile for activity))


Andreas B. wrote:Das Citrus Doctrine ist eine dumme Idee, und ihr sollt nie wieder sagen. Und wir *mussen* lynchen, so Sagen es ist bloede und laestig.

((The 'Citrus Doctrine' is a terrible amd y'all should never bring it up again. And we *have* to lynch, so saying it is stupid and annoying.))

Und ich bin gespannt Rochelle. Jedesmann sonnst sagen da ich bin Dorf-fluchtend, aber du hast mich abstimmen. Kann ich einen Grund haben?

((And I'm curious Rochelle, everyone else says they read me as pro-town, but you just voted for me. Can I at least have a reason?))


Andreas B. wrote:Ich hab nicht antwortete, fuer klar Ursachen.

((I didn't reply for obvious reasons.))

Auch, ich finde nicht Butler aufgeblassen, noch schwitze oberer aus. Bitte erklaeren Sie?

((Also, I don't see Butler as snobbish, nor exuding superiority. Could you explain?))


All these posts do is ask for a sub, implore us to lynch, say the Citrus Doctrine is stupid, and add input about a trifle.


Makino C. wrote:Sorry I wasn't here for two or three days. I just updated myself on the game and We really need a sub for kaito J.I'll ask AJ but anw I have no idea who is mafia at the moment. I found gizelle to be quite scummy from the beginning. Like those completely irrelevant posts at the starting of the game. Idk if it was some scheme to seem innocent or if she ACTUALLY didn't know. Thats all I have to say for now I guess.


Rochelle R. wrote:To be honest, I don't know whom to lynch at this point. If I were to come up with an idea for lynching, that person would likely be scum. I get the feeling Kaito is lurking, though. He hasn't been subbed.

Susikoh hasn't posted in a while. I wonder where he is. Neither has Fergus.

I don't think these people should be lynched (yet), but I'm trying to get everyone talking. If these people don't talk soon, then we should consider a lynch.


Mickey L. wrote:Andreas, y u no lynch Gizelle and save yourself? D:

Trinity M. wrote:Great job lynching a good contributor to the town so far. Thanks a lot guys.

Are you referring to Andreas or Cassandra here?

lynch gizelle v.
Gizelle V. wrote:maybe less german would have made you not lynched

hi shitty response, my name is trinity.
/s
That aside, you have been really awkward a lot of the game, and the fact that you're asking us to pressure other players that I do agree need pressured, but you're dodging the bullet a bit yourself I feel. You were very lurky for a bit and weren't a great contributor, and still aren't i feel. Lots of times you have shown yourself not to be the best.


Also @Gizelle, were you even reading? The fact that he was speaking German was nowhere near the main reason he was lynched.
I'm not sure what to say about Gizelle; she definitely had that scummy lynch on Cassandra back on D1 which I still feel she hasn't justified legitimately (or reasoning that would make it seem less scummy, if I remember correctly). However, she has contributed to the town, although some may say that the contributions have not been a lot.
The main reason i'm not lynching her is that it just doesn't make sense to me that a mafia would play like this. I would think that they'd be trying to avoid conflict as much as possible and constantly proofreading their psots to make sure that they don't make any mistakes that could be seen as scummy. I dunno, that's just my view on it.

Butler P. wrote:That was not a good day by any means. Any activity that we had going the day before dropped tremendously, and Mr. Andreas got lynched because just one person decided to lynch him.

I saw that Rochelle brought up that she was "reaction lynching" Andreas which makes absolutely no sense after day 1. If you lynch someone at this point in the game it is essential that you give some sort of reasoning to it.


Just curious Butler, did you think Andreas was a good lynch? If not, why did you not vote Gizelle (or anyone else, for that matter)?
I think Rochelle actually had legitimate reasoning behind lynching Andreas, although I didn't think it was right.


Rochelle R. wrote:
Andreas B. wrote:Was? Es gibt ein Motiv for Quatsch reden? Das ist unlogisch und unglaublich. Dies 'spaeter' hilft Sich nicht weniger scheel meinethalben sein.

((What? There's a reason for not making sense? That's illogical and unbelievable. This 'later' is not helping you look less suspicious, as far as I'm concerned.

Weeeeeeellllllll....
you're dead.


Why respond to this? This came across as a bit rude, whether it was intended or not.

Rochelle R. wrote:To be honest, I don't know whom to lynch at this point. If I were to come up with an idea for lynching, that person would likely be scum. I get the feeling Kaito is lurking, though. He hasn't been subbed.

Susikoh hasn't posted in a while. I wonder where he is. Neither has Fergus.

I don't think these people should be lynched (yet), but I'm trying to get everyone talking. If these people don't talk soon, then we should consider a lynch.


Sukisoh generally comes in rarely and posts a decently large post with his thoughts, although I haven't seen him recently. Fergus also hasn't come online for a while (annoyingly >_>), but i'm not sure what we can do about that.

Makino C. wrote:
Gizelle V. wrote:we only lose if three more villies are lynched, i suggest keep pressuring lurky people and reaction testing
makino, you make no sense, your logic ios bad, you should feel bad, your a lurker, go away scum, etc.


I may not be the best player here but I am certainly not the one who is 'not making sense' here. I've reasoned everything I've done so far and I asked you to too. But rather than reasoning yourself you criticise me and don't even justify it properly? Probably just trying to divert the topic from you.
Lynch Gizelle

Honestly, I was the person who was advocating for Makino to be lynched the most, and i've got to say that he's addressed every point I brought up with legitimate reasoning and has seemed very pro-town in the way he has talked. Everyone has reacted adversely to what you have said, but i'm curious about one thing: Why pick Makino? There would be so many better options for lurkers/people who don't come on and post a lot e.g. Sukisoh, Fergus, and Kaito. Why did you single out Makino?

@AJ: Please sub in Kaito and poke Fergus & Sukisoh if possible.

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Those were the people who asked for a sub. Makino, Rochelle, and a dead Mickey Mouse.

Makino C. wrote:Sukisoh's suggestion makes sense but it is also very risky. Only because we don't know the mafia's strategy. They could have asked to sub kaito to seem town-ish or they could have avoided it to stay on the safe side. Since we already lost two townies, it'd be highly risky but if no one seems scummy, I say we go for it.

Makino C. wrote:
Gizelle V. wrote:we only lose if three more villies are lynched, i suggest keep pressuring lurky people and reaction testing
makino, you make no sense, your logic ios bad, you should feel bad, your a lurker, go away scum, etc.


I may not be the best player here but I am certainly not the one who is 'not making sense' here. I've reasoned everything I've done so far and I asked you to too. But rather than reasoning yourself you criticise me and don't even justify it properly? Probably just trying to divert the topic from you.
Lynch Gizelle

Honestly, I was the person who was advocating for Makino to be lynched the most, and i've got to say that he's addressed every point I brought up with legitimate reasoning and has seemed very pro-town in the way he has talked. Everyone has reacted adversely to what you have said, but i'm curious about one thing: Why pick Makino? There would be so many better options for lurkers/people who don't come on and post a lot e.g. Sukisoh, Fergus, and Kaito. Why did you single out Makino?

@AJ: Please sub in Kaito and poke Fergus & Sukisoh if possible.


As for this, I don't know. Perhaps ii was because I asked her to justify her lynch and she didn't know what to say so she targeted me? Main thing I find scummy about gizelle is that she tries to avoid reasoning at all costs. I mean, every time one of us ask her what she is doing or say, her next post is completely irrelevant ._.


Makino also asked for a sub for Kaito, so he is possible scum (along with the lynching evidence). Its now probable that Makino and Rochelle are the scum.

As for Rochelle bussing, the possibility is very real as she lynched Andreas and as mentioned above.
by Sukisoh S.
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I wasn't too sure who you thought Rochelle was bussing from, so I looked back a page and saw you bringing up a point about Rochelle bussing from Kaito. Also, give me a sec, I'm getting a post up.
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Fergus K. wrote:I want to hear what Sukisoh thinks about the potential of Rochelle bussing and if he thinks she is scummy or not.


Bussing from Kaito, huh? I actually gave an idea earlier, where there were many people who ask "pressuring" AJ for a sub for Kaito. Incidentally, I remember someone who said my idea was a little too risky. Let me look back and see...
by Sukisoh S.
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Rochelle R. wrote:
Sukisoh S. wrote:Let see day 2's vote...

ajhockeystar wrote:Votecount 2.2
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Andreas B.(1)- Rochelle R.
Gizelle V.(1)- Mickey L.
Makino C.(0)-
Kaito J.(0)-
Rochelle R.(0)-
Trinity M.(0)-
Butler P.(0)-
Sukisoh S.(0)-
Mickey L.(0)-
Fergus K.(0)-
Not Voting(Cool- Andreas B., Sukisoh S., Kaito J., Fergus K., Butler P., Gizelle V., Makino C., Trinity M.


Mickey already explained her lynch, and she died, so...
And now I realised that I misread the lynch count, I thought Gizelle was the one lynch Andreas ._.

But I what I was trying to say is, none of the mafia would push for a lynch on either of those people because its way too obvious that they are mafia. If they bandwagon on Andreas, well... (I think we all can see that Rochelle is scummy here), and if they lynch Gizelle, its like what I said before: they get suspected of protecting Gizelle and/or making a hasty bad decision.

...

Well, I look even more scummy now n_n

This is logical. How does it make you look more scummy?


Its the fact that I ignored day 2's votecount.
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on Fri Dec 12, 2014 4:00 am
 
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Let see day 2's vote...

ajhockeystar wrote:Votecount 2.2
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Andreas B.(1)- Rochelle R.
Gizelle V.(1)- Mickey L.
Makino C.(0)-
Kaito J.(0)-
Rochelle R.(0)-
Trinity M.(0)-
Butler P.(0)-
Sukisoh S.(0)-
Mickey L.(0)-
Fergus K.(0)-
Not Voting(Cool- Andreas B., Sukisoh S., Kaito J., Fergus K., Butler P., Gizelle V., Makino C., Trinity M.


Mickey already explained her lynch, and she died, so...
And now I realised that I misread the lynch count, I thought Gizelle was the one lynch Andreas ._.

But I what I was trying to say is, none of the mafia would push for a lynch on either of those people because its way too obvious that they are mafia. If they bandwagon on Andreas, well... (I think we all can see that Rochelle is scummy here), and if they lynch Gizelle, its like what I said before: they get suspected of protecting Gizelle and/or making a hasty bad decision.

...

Well, I look even more scummy now n_n
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on Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:07 pm
 
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Huh, it seems I misread something. I only have 1 votecount on me. Whatever, my post still stands.

OMGUS which stands for Oh My God U Suck, is commonly used when person A is voting person B, in which person B immediately votes person A back.
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Mickey L. wrote:Why did you lynch Butler instead of Makino? What makes you think of Butler as scummier than Makino?


He has acted more scummy (at least, in my opinion), than Makino over the course of the game. Either that, or he is aggressive/intimidating. (And I'll admit, its kinda because he lynched me.)

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About Cassandra's lynch, I wouldn't say that Cassandra having just one more lynch then Makino is really too much a difference. IMO, if you agree with town on a person being scummy, you can gain their trust for a period of time (usually until people accuse of bandwagoning few days later).

But yeah, I kinda exaggerated. It wouldn't hurt me, but it wouldn't help me either (as in the case now, apparently I'm scummy for not lynching).
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Also, do we have a list of possible scum teams? If we could see if anybody tried to distance themselves after being called a possible scumteam, they are most likely scum.
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Geez, I forgot about this again ._.
Oh look, I have 2 lynch counts on me now :O
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Why I didn't lynch?
Sukisoh S. wrote:To be honest, I really can't tell who is scum. Maybe its my skewed vision where I see everybody as town. So far, my only reason for wanting to lynch Gizelle is only a policy lynch.


Excuse? Yes. I am scum? No, but its what you see of me. First of all, why didn't I lynch ANY of the people who have been lynched?

Sukisoh S. wrote:To be honest, I really can't tell who is scum. Maybe its my skewed vision where I see everybody as town. So far, my only reason for wanting to lynch Gizelle is only a policy lynch.


Not too helpful... Why didn't I lynch;
Cassandra? No way would a scum act that way. I thought that Cassandra lynching to save herself was a towny act. In fact, if I wanted to win, why don't I join? Free kill for mafia since they know who isn't mafia, right? You guys DID think Cassandra was scum, so NOT joining in the lynch hurts me, especially if I was scum.

Andreas? Well, why didn't you either? If I wanted to save Andreas, I would have lynched Gizelle, right? What would happen afterwards? Gizelle would flip town, and me and Andreas would become an instant scum team.

Gizelle? This is the one where I would admit that I didn't lynch for no strong reason. IIRC, Trinity wanted to test something out and requested nobody else lynch Gizelle. I kept my lynch to myself, but in the end she didn't say when her test was done.
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I have 2 lynch counts on me. Can't exactly do anything direct to it, so here is me trying to convince you guys. If you look back on day 1's lynch and day 3's lynch, you will see 2 things in common. The people who lynched Cassandra, are: Butler, Makino, Gizelle. The people who lynched Gizelle, are: Trinity M., Makino C., Rochelle R., Butler P., Gizelle V. (And me since I wanted to lynch Gizelle). The two people in common are Butler and Makino. Call this OMGUS, but I currently believe Butler is scum.

Mickey has placed a lynch on Gizelle on Day 2, but then didn't join the bandwagon on Gizelle on day 3. I can't remember if she had any change of arguments on why not to lynch Gizelle though, so it might not mean much.

Lynch Butler.
OH NOES OMGUS, LYNCH SUKISOH QUICK
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I was planning to lynch Kaito, but if Kaito is inactive, we might as well just let an inactive mafia go rather than an (In my opinion,) active scum stay.
by Sukisoh S.
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Wait wait wait, I'm getting confused. So right now, its like a "lynch the other person if I flip town" in between Rochelle and Gizelle?

To be honest, I really can't tell who is scum. Maybe its my skewed vision where I see everybody as town. So far, my only reason for wanting to lynch Gizelle is only a policy lynch.
by Sukisoh S.
on Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:44 am
 
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Where is my what?

Also, Butler, (lazy to quote)
""actually, if it goes to 1-villy 1-mafia than it's a happily ever after.
i'd like that, it'd be cool, first time i would have ever seen it. but actually for a definititve town win, we cant misslynch more than twice

and not unless i unlynched before mod saw"

Once the majority is reached, or all votes are placed, it is hammer and votes cannot be changed. It Does not matter when the host officially says hammer, hammer happens as soon as that majority vote is placed."

There can't be a majority in a 1v1.
by Sukisoh S.
on Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:44 pm
 
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Its just that Saiga and Kaito's names are so similar Razz
by Sukisoh S.
on Fri Dec 05, 2014 3:26 am
 
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Although, it will also kill us if Saigo really happens to be scum and we don't lynch him, so we need clues to see if its possible that Saigo is scum.

(Like I said, not too sure why I said that Razz)
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...

Well yea, something like that. Although, Kaito hasn't came on since the confirmation period, so its possible. Just a possibility though.
by Sukisoh S.
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