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Game 24: Near-Vanilla

I don't have much to say about Ramona's actions except that I can assure you they were protects. If you want to lynch me based on that, it's fine, that does indeed look scummy, but keep in mind that I have mostly been a town read by practically everyone for the entire game and that it would make sense for the mafia to try to kill a person that has not been lynched once during all game. If you do decide to lynch me and I flip town, Ramona/Annie needs to prevent a kill as it is mylo, so we need to make sure this is the lynch we want, whether it's me or Charmaine or someone else.
by Mimi F.
on Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:59 pm
 
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Sorry I haven't posted too often recently, been in a funk irl and it has been affecting my motivation. Don't have a strong opinion on today's lynch right now, can't think of any good scumteams that make much sense. Hopefully things are clearer by the end of the day. It seems like Ramona has the mafia read like a book right now, so they might not even get another kill off, which means once we lynch one mafia we're pretty much guaranteed a win.
by Mimi F.
on Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:56 pm
 
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I made a readlist before deadline yesterday outlining my scumreads at the moment.

A VT that was a pretty big townread died night 1 and a fairly inactive townie that was considered pretty scummy by town died night 3.
by Mimi F.
on Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:19 am
 
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Fun fact: Nanette 2 has already made 25% of the posts that Nanette 1 made.

We lynched Fernando, a mafia goon, day 1. The lynch is mostly attributed to Natasha. On day 2, Towa (deceased) led a lynch on Brodie, a townie who neglected to defend himself. Day 3's lynch was Gurkinn, a lurking townie who was subbed for and continued to lurk. I was part of that lynch, I don't remember who else was. Finally, Annie and I lynched Towa yesterday due to her questionable reads and attitude towards negative reads of her. She was also town. Anneie, our doctor and Ramona, our JK, have prevented 2 deaths, giving us another chance to lynch a mafia goon. As of now, Nanette 1 was being suspected due to severe inactivity, hopefully you can change that (unless you're mafia). Currently, we are debating between Professor Icarus and Charmaine as lynch targets, but that is subject to change. Hope that helps.
by Mimi F.
on Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:51 pm
 
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Professor Icarus wrote:Also yeah I'd love a Nanette sub at the moment, really limiting my reads at moment not being able to do anything with her.


THIS. Aj, why hasn't she been subbed? If anything, it makes her pointlessly more scummy because the other inactives (both of which were town) got subbed. The other game is over, any of those players can sub in here.
by Mimi F.
on Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:23 am
 
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Professor Icarus wrote:Also you said in your reads upon me: "Almost all of the alive people who haven't claimed doc/jk were on my Leaning-Town list, so I have to turn reads on someone.". Got to say, what does that exactly mean? To me it feels like you just saying that the read had to change, which isn't necessarily true.


I'm going to try to explain her thinking, she can correct me if I'm wrong. Obviously, everyone in the game isn't town. Reading everyone as town is utterly pointless. Since her scumreads either died or were cleared, she had to look more critically at her remaining town reads. My guess is that she thought you were the scummiest of her town reads and thusly switched her fos to you.
by Mimi F.
on Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:21 am
 
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Annie F. wrote:It kind of looks like Icarus and Charmaine could be a scumteam, as Icarus doesn't seem like the type of guy to just not lynch anyone when it can save him.


This is something I brought up before deadline last night. Since Towa flipped town this is the most obvious scumteam I see now. I do feel that Charmaine is the more scummy of the two however.
by Mimi F.
on Thu Jul 14, 2016 3:28 pm
 
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That makes the most sense. I honestly thought it made more sense for Towa to be mafia considering the way she acted the last couple of days with her lynches, but it does give us a lot of info to go off of. I don't think Nanette is as scummy now, unless it would make sense for someone to be bussing him, maybe Charmaine? Anyway, I'll look into it later, nice job Ramona/Annie buying us another day.
by Mimi F.
on Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:54 pm
 
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With only a few hours remaining before deadline, I still haven't decided on who I want to lynch.  I'm going to go through everyone's posts again right here and decide on my lynch here in this post.

Nanette B.:  On this day, and in every day from now on, we need as much discussion as we possibly can from everyone in the game.  Nanette hasn't posted in days due to "awkward circumstances", and has yet to be subbed out.  Towa sees her as a definite clear, which I just dont understand.  The fact the she hasn't been subbed out yet just makes me more suspicious of her, since Haruno and Gurkinn, both townies, were subbed out much sooner.  more than a slight scum read but not a huge read, 35-55% chance of being scum.  Possible scumteams: Towa.

Charmaine U.:  Everyone's view on Charmaine seems to have gone from an early scum read due to her aggressiveness, to a more townie view as the game progresses.  The only change she has made is that she has stopped attacking people and decided to lay low for a while, and it has worked.  Her only real town reads, have been Towa and Icarus, and she didn't even discuss Icarus again in her most recent readlist.  slight scum read, 25-40% chance of being scum.  Possible scumteams: Towa, Professor Icarus.

Professor Icarus:  Professor Icarus has one lynch and plurality on him at the time of me typing this, but other people have also said that they are okay with this lynch.  There have been 3 main interactions involving him in this game: One on day 2 with Ramona, another on day 3 with Gurkinn, and the most recent being today with Towa.  His first with Ramona was a discussion with Ramona about his suspicion of Fernando on day 1.  He had stated that he found Fernando scummy but never actually lynched him.  He did want to make it clear that he suspected Fernando, however, which could be viewed as scummy, but what else are you going to say about the mafia goon that got lynched the day before.  Nothing that really sways my opinion here.  His second interaction was with Gurkinn on day 3, the day that she was lynched.  Gurkinn was subbed out early on in the day, and made 2 posts with reads that were either from early day 1 or made without reasoning.  Because of this, she was lynched.  What I want to focus on in particular was Icarus' lynch, as it was placed 30 minutes before deadline.  At this point in day 3, Gurkinn had 3 lynches and noone else even had 2 in a largely inactive day as a whole.  His lynch changed nothing at all, as Gurkinn would have died to plurality regardless.  A mafia member would have had no reason to lynch that late in the day, as it simply draws unwanted attention.  It seems to me more like a VT making sure his top scum read (which Gurkinn was to Icarus) ended the day with the most lynches.  This interaction has a town vibe to me.  His last interaction so far has been his reaction to Towa pressuring him throughout today.  Her most recent read of Icarus was that he seemed "too neutral" and had him at number 3 on people she wanted lynched (this was on day 3 btw).  With Gurkinn now dead, and Annie confirmed as town, she simply moved Icarus up to number 1 without rereading anyone with this new information.  It is also worth mentioning that both her number 1 and number 2 scum reads at the time have since been revealed to be town.  Since then her read on him has pretty much been that he has made townie posts, but she still thinks it's him.  Sorry, what?  Not only does it not make any sense, but it doesn't answer what Icarus has been asking all day:  Towa's reasoning for lynching him.  I see nothing scummy about this interaction in terms of Icarus, I'll discuss the other half of it later.Town read, less than 10% chance of being scum  Possible scumteams: Charmaine, Mimi.

Natasha L.:  She only really started to make an impression on me recently, as she hasn't really posted much all game.  Despite that, I don't see much of what she has posted as scummy, as she was one of the first people to lynch Fernando, which Towa is quick to point out.  One thing I want to touch on is her reaction to Gurkinn flipping town.  It seems really over the top to me, as if she was willing to bet her life that Gurkinn was scum.  In all honesty, Gurkinn's sub seemed like a person who didn't have much experience in forum mafia and didn't have the time to read past page 3-5 of the game.  I think Towa put it perfectly in her read: "I wouldn't be surprised if town, but is more scummy to me than towny. Better off dead either way."  Town read, less than 10% chance of being scum.  Possible scumteams: Mimi, Towa.

Towa Q.:  To be honest, this entire post seems like it has been a read on Towa.  She has had by far the most consistent activity, and has led a couple of lynches so far.  I want to first look at Towa's actions from a town perspective, and then from a mafia perspective.  If Towa is a VT, on day 1 she pointed out Fernando's scumminess and participated in a lynch of a mafia goon.  She then saw Brodie's day 1 antics and subsequent lurking as scum tells and led a lynch on him.  After seeing that he flipped town, she took a step back and rethought her reads, then agreed with the consensus that Gurkinn was too scummy to keep alive and lynched her, making her the 3rd lynch on her ~4 hours from deadline.  Now, she sees Professor Icarus as mafia from a perceived gut feeling and is following her gut as well directing for both power roles to claim, getting town two clears.  Now to look at her as mafia.  If she is mafia, on day 1 she bussed her partner early, and watched as many other people followed her logic and lynched Fernando as well. Then, using her gained trust from lynching a mafia member, she lead a lynch on Brodie, one of the most active town members on day 1, while throwing suspicion on Annie and Charmaine as well.  She also had Charmaine as a scumread with Brodie on day 1.  On top of this, she also asked to be protected, which would mean one less protective role to deal with that night.  On day 3, she didn't want to lead a lynch on another townie, so she let town decide to lynch Gurkinn and didn't oppose it, only lynching when it was 2-1 with ~4 hours left until deadline.  It is at this time that she goes from lynching Nanette to saying that she is confirmed town, without Nanette posting anything significant to change her mind (possible bus then retract?).  Now on day 4, she had moved on to her next two targets, Annie and Professor Icarus, when two more town lynches meant a mafia win.  However, Annie was revealed as doctor, making her job a lot harder.  She then posted a readlist, completely omitting Nanette, and tunneling on Icarus while leaving the other 3 uncleared players with very unsure reads, as she hasn't decided on another target yet.  I don't know, it might just be me, but it seems like it makes much more sense that Towa is mafia than town at this point.  Scum read, 50-60% chance of being scum.  Possible scumteams: Nanette, Charmaine, Natasha.

This took most of my day to put together, because I read through the entire game to make my reads again, and I looked through Towa's posts extensively since I have seen her as town for much of the game, so I apologize for it coming so close to deadline.  However, I have made my decision to lynch Towa today.  If she flips as scum, I believe the next lynch should be Nanette, because the level at which Towa town reads her now is startling.  If I'm wrong and she flips town, I can't think of another scum team involving Nanette, so I'd say it makes the most sense to lynch Charmaine. Also, if either Charmaine or Icarus is lynched and flips scum, I believe that the other should be lynched, because after Towa/Nanette, I think Charmaine/Icarus makes the most sense for a scumteam, although I guess you could make a case for Mimi/Icarus as well.

lynch Towa Q.
by Mimi F.
on Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:44 pm
 
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Annie F. wrote:About claiming our protects, fuck that tactic of yours. If we're gonna risk our pr's we're gonna get the Most info  out of it we can. We're not going to withold information from Town because scum can use it, we wouldn't with a cop either.


Alright, hold on a second. Before Ramona reveals her night 2 action, consider this. If her role was roleblocker or doctor, it would make sense for her to claim her target because it would either give us a clear or a confirmed scum. However, since her nightaction has two different abilities, we can't be 100% sure which one it was. The only people that truly benefit from the information would be the two mafia goons that would be able to know if Ramona protected a townie or roleblocked. The only way that we could be sure of a protect or roleblock would be if Ramona prevented a kill on Gurkinn night 2, which doesn't help us now anyway. In my opinion, Ramona shouldn't reveal her night 2 target, because it helps mafia without giving town a confirmed town/scum.
by Mimi F.
on Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:55 pm
 
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Now that both the doctor and jailkeeper have claimed, and for the time being noone has CC'd either claim, an interesting opportunity presents itself. Since either the JK or doc prevented a kill night 2, we could use their targets night 2 to help us find the last 2 mafia goons. However, I feel that public knowledge of the actions made night 2 benefit the mafia more, because they learn exactly what reads can be made off of the actions (e.g. whether is was a doc protect, jk protect, or jk roleblock) while we are left guessing which of the three it truly was. For that reason I don't think it is logical for doc and JK to reveal their night 2 targets.
by Mimi F.
on Sun Jul 10, 2016 1:39 am
 
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Ramona G. wrote:Okay, let me try to analyze what happen. The scum chose a very interesting kill in Haruno, which was a rather inactive player and also wasn't really "town" to most people. In contrast, the scum chose to killed Delilah during Night 1 which was very active and a town read to most. This is probably what happened, the scum must have chosen someone townie to kill N2 but wasn't successful so they change plans. I don't know how useful this is tbh (I just want to type it out) but when we do discuss what happened during Night 2, it may be useful. Also, it is interesting why they went with Haruno, and not some other players. After all they are arguably better targets than her and there are only max of 2 protections in the game.


I don't see the point in trying to figure out what the mafia was thinking killing Haruno. Whether or not we know their reasoning can't possibly help us since we don't know for sure who the mafia is and what their exact plan is. A post like this just seems like an attempt to make a fairly large post without adding any relevant information.
by Mimi F.
on Sat Jul 09, 2016 6:59 pm
 
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Professor Icarus wrote:Don't think that I can say much except that her activity whinging yesterday was pretty terrible and honestly wasn't the way to go about it if that was her goal to try and get activity. lil bit fillery with the repetitiveness of it all.


I don't know what you wanted me to do.  All of a sudden everyone's activity hit a wall and I wanted people's opinions on Gurkinn, or a different lynch target, and got no response other than Annie.  Gurkinn choosing not to defend herself didn't help matters either.  

It seems we've already decided that doc and JK should claim, which is fine because it should give us two clears unless the mafia CCs, which in the worst case scenario leaves us at 1v3 2 days from now.
by Mimi F.
on Sat Jul 09, 2016 6:52 pm
 
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Alright, it's deadline day. I guess I can kind of understand the lack of posts yesterday due to the fact that it was an american holiday, but this is an issue that we've had for the last 2 in game days. I don't know how often I'll be able to check this forum today, lots of plans irl, but I pray that people can start to post their thoughts on who they at least suspect before we make our final decision. As of now, nothing has been said that changes my mind about Gurkinn being the scummmiest, which is annoying considering she might just be an inactive townie, although I guess everyone has been an inactive townie recently. For the time being:

lynch Gurkinn N.
by Mimi F.
on Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:38 am
 
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Annie F. wrote:As you can see I'm currently lynching Towa, and I'm not planning on moving that lynch anytime soon, seeing as this is the second time she's responded to only parts of my posts. With her being so inactive compared to other days, I feel like she might be a scum laying low after having lead town to lynch another town. Besides that she's just really annoying the shit out of me, which is also a reason why I'm not changing my lynch.


Noone has had any activity for the last day or so, but I guess it is strange that Towa has stopped posting when everyone else did. I still don't think she's scum though. She was one of the first people to lynch Fernando, and she's generally seemed townie, despite the drop off in activity indicating a possible scum hiding. The same logic can be applied to quite literally anyone who was active before today, including Brodie day 2.
by Mimi F.
on Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:09 pm
 
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Really?  It's been about 24 hours since my last post, and there have been literally no new posts?  These are the things that get townies lynched.  When noone posts, the mafia just gets to hide and avoid posting their thoughts.  We need more activity.  Anyone who reads this, please respond:  What do you think about Gurkinn right now?  Who are your top 3 lynch targets?  Is there anyone in particular you see as scummy for reasons different than the ones presented?  

We need discussion to find the mafia.  Everyone has slacked off since we got a mafia goon day 1 and assumed it would be easy from there.  We need as much information as we can possibly get to find these last two mafia, not 24 hour periods of no activity, let alone low amounts.
by Mimi F.
on Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:15 pm
 
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Professor Icarus wrote:I've gotta say that it's kind of pointless to be whining about activity now after its happened. Brodie was generally a decently scummy person to most people, and I don't think many regret that lynch a lot. He had good input, but it was his own fault he never actually bothered to put up a form of defence. Also if you want activity Mimi, stop going on about it and pressure someone already, no use contemplating the past when we still have great odds of winning this as town.


First of all, my post about activity was more so intended to ask for more activity now by using yesterday's lack of activity as an example. Secondly, you recommended that I pressure someone for activity. I made it fairly obvious that my lynch target as of now is Gurkinn and other people are pressuring her as well. However, I don't agree with lynching anyone early on in the day, I'd much rather discuss things with the person in question, which brings me back to the problems with having low acitivity.
by Mimi F.
on Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:45 pm
 
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Mimi F. wrote:various read lists.  one  never defended himself,


Replace "one" with Brodie
by Mimi F.
on Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:27 pm
 
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This is a perfect example of why activity is important. I think as a whole, Day 2 took about about 2 pages of content, which is practically nothing for a forum game, especially because most of the content were various read lists. one never defended himself, noone got on to comment on the Brodie lynch, and a townie died. Great job by the doc/JK getting us one deathless night away from an extra mislynch. I'll look more into everyone's reads and content later (there isn't much to look at now), but as of now my biggest scumread is still Gurkinn.
by Mimi F.
on Sat Jul 02, 2016 7:25 pm
 
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red flags*, not red lights smfh
by Mimi F.
on Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:54 pm
 
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Alright, I've read back, and Im starting to wonder why I had Brodie as only a slight scum read. I felt like his failed attempt to lead town with his JK claiming leadership idea was genuine, then failed to see the logic in calling out his large "explainers". None of these alone would be huge red lights, but taking both of them into consideration along with Fernando's unexplained townread on him before being pressured along with his current inactivity makes me think he's not the town leader I once believed him to be.

lynch Brodie S.
by Mimi F.
on Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:53 pm
 
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We're less than 24 hours away from deadline, who is going to be our lynch target today? Towa seems sure of a Brodie lynch, but I'd rather go for Gurkinn, Charmaine, or even Haruno over him.
by Mimi F.
on Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:13 pm
 
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Haruno H. wrote:I think Gurkinn is scum for filler post. Also i can see towa as scum tbh but hes a slight town read for me.


At least you're trying. Could you try to posts your reads on everyone in the game so that we can get an idea of your thoughts? Also, it would be nice if you could try to post a bit more and stay involved in the game. I know it's hard to post using mobile, but I've done it before and it is possible to be active.
by Mimi F.
on Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:50 pm
 
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Annie F. wrote:Mimi: has made several posts and has the read list above which is huge, but the read list is bothering me. I just don't get some of the reads, you seem to be ignoring things like how nanette's "newspaper post" is actually mostly just quotes, and you also seem to be ignoring some of the "newspaper posts" from other people that have a similar or higher amount of content put in by themselves. slight scum read because of her odd and somewhat unexplained reads


Most of my reads on Nanette came from her response to those quotes in that large post. I also don't perfectly understand the terminology sometimes. I've always considered a post where someone just puts a bunch of his/her own opinions in without adding any quotes a wall post, and a post dissecting a bunch of quotes as a newspaper, sorry if I confused you by calling Nanette's post a newspaper. I'm interested in what other larger posts I ignored, I'd be happy to address them.
by Mimi F.
on Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:04 pm
 
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Read list:

Brodie S.: Had a detailed plan about what he wanted the JK to do early on, but it turned out to be faulty and was scrapped. Towa is scum reading him hard, but I don't know if I agree with the lynch right now. He's trying to lead town but it seems his ideas aren't always the best ones. As Annie points out, he likes to use large "explainers" on most of his posts, using big words in large paragraphs. It's also worth mentioning that he was townread by Fernando without reasoning. Slight scum read.

Towa Q.: Started with a game with a plan to pressure people then lynch them if they claimed VT, theoretically preventing town PRs from being lynched. It was misunderstood and also flawed, considering most people dont want the doc and JK to claim. Played well under pressure day 1 and scum read a mafia Fernando. Town read.

Nanette B.: Most of her post content is discussion about JK meta. She reads Brodie as town, and sees his wall posts as helpful and informative. She says her goal is to be more active than she has been in other games, but only has a newspaper and a few short posts about the Jk situation. Null read, would like to see more activity out of you.

Haruno H.: Super inactive, only post with content states that he is ok with JK claiming early game(?) which is a generally bad idea. Only other real post is him saying that he doesn't need a sub, then going back to inactivity, suggesting that he is lurking. Leaning scum.

Charmaine U.: Charmaine has pretty much spent the entire game attacking Towa. She called out Fernando's lynch switching, when he only went from his early day rl to lynching a suspected bandwagoner to unlynching altogether. She points out that she scum read Fernando first, which feels like an attempt to be seen as townie. Got super aggressive when she got called out by Towa as well. Scum read.

Professor Icarus: Lynched Brodie to pressure him, is against a JK claim, and promised a "bulky post" today after the lynch. Not much else, but I'd like to see him keep his promise. Null read, slightly town.

Mimi F.: Is me Razz

Annie F.: She was the one that made most of the good points about JK meta. After that, she proceeded to attack just about every one of Brodie's wall posts for their long "explainers". She also responded to Charmaine's aggresion towards someone else with even more aggresion, but this is not really the time to fight fire with fire in my opinion. You stated that you forgot most of what you read when you read up, if you really don't remember some things I highly suggest reading through again, it could become important later. Null read.

Natasha L.: She has fairly low activity despite asking multiple times for increased activity from others. She found Prof. Icarus slightly scummy for his pressure lynch on h, which is understandable. I don't know if she still finds Towa scummy, I'd like an update on that. She lynched Fernando for fillering late in the day, and it turns out he was scum. Slight town read, I'd like to see more activity from you as well.

Ramona G.: Nothing but one post which added nothing to the JK discussion and defended against a random lynch on Towa. Need more activity from you. Slightly scum.

Gurkinn N.: Gurkinn has such low activity that aj forgot to even put him on the votecount list. She claims VT, and ironically posts about activity despite being completely inactive herself. Scum read, where are you?

Main lynch I'd like to see is Gurkinn, as she literally adds nothing to the game, not even a player on the player list it seems. I'd also be open to lynching Charmaine, and could be swayed on a Brodie or Haruno lynch. I'd also like to see more activity from the people I mentioned that have low activity.
by Mimi F.
on Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:43 pm
 
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