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Game 28: Guess Who?

I personally believed Molly was town way back when Nathaniel brought up Molly + Lulu lol. But yeah, I didn't expect Aya and Mrs.Grimm together, although I increasingly found Mrs.Grimm to be scummy. GG all!
by Lulu L.
on Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:03 pm
 
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Well... I guess that is g_g. Sorry I played a horrible game Sad There were just so many things going on and I couldn't finish my readlist. Gratz to the victors
by Lulu L.
on Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:41 pm
 
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I... have something to admit. That read-list was more of a reaction test than an actual read list. I'll explain what I mean.

Mrs.Grimm stated that she will not lynch or give her opinions until she heard from me. Reading that, I thought it was very weird. She consistently town read me since she subbed in, and I find it interesting that she needed to hear what I have to say before giving an opinion herself. That is why I said Wilma was scummier; I was wondering what she would have to say if I said that.

Another weird thing that Mrs.Grimm just said is "I don't know if we can win this". Well, since you scumread Wilma, lynching her would guarantee plurality on Wilma. Furthermore, I already said I "found Wilma to be more scummy". In the end, I don't know why she said that and doesn't just lynch Wilma.

Addition Note: Right before this was posted, Mrs.Grimm again said she wanted me to "make her post" then make my lynch. I find that really weird to be honest, because I have no idea why she would need to wait for me.
by Lulu L.
on Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:19 am
 
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Hi, sorry about that. I had a lot of things to do this week, but I should be able to get my reads done soon. Anyways, in short form, I believe Wilma is scummier than Molly. I know that she did indeed push Nathaniel hard, but it is unlikely for mafia to do so. Furthermore, Wilma had periods of activity splurges, and so far as it seems had mainly scumread only Molly. They do post good thoughts, however, I feel that Molly "attacks" in a townie method. Here are my short reasonings, more detailed one will be posted later but it is unlikely to change.

Mrs.Grimm, I have given my opinion and I want to hear from you too.
by Lulu L.
on Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:43 am
 
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NOOOOOOOOO STEVELAND WHYYY

Sad((

MAFIA SHALL PAY FOR THIS!!!
(Soon, cause I gotta go for now, but will be back in 14-15 hours)
by Lulu L.
on Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:20 pm
 
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My read lists should be posted in approximately 16 hours+-, just to let you guys know. If anyone wants my opinion as of now, it is:

Steveland - Town
Wilma - Neutral
Molly - Neutral
Nathaniel - Neutral

I know that is a lot of neutral, but that is because I didn't analyze their posts yet. THIS IS NOT MY DEFINITE OPINION, AND SHOULD BE TAKEN WITH A GRAIN OF SALT. EVIDENCE AND SUPPORTED CLAIMS WILL COME WITH THE READ LISTS. THIS IS JUST FOR THOSE THAT ARE COMPLAINING THAT I'M TOO SLOW.
by Lulu L.
on Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:19 pm
 
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Nathaniel E. wrote:My Reads:
Mrs. Grimm(0)- Reads honestly don't make any sense and she could be scumbuddies with Molly (it would seem blantly obvious though). The general agreement with Molly and the fact Mrs. Grimm said Molly is Town because she is defensive defintely puts the red lights up for me. Scum/Possible Scumbuddy(s): Molly Q.

Molly Q.(0)- Again, can't gripe how I was inactivity for longer than how long I said I would be, and also can't find a reason how my posts are 'contentless'. Sure there is some filler, but the posts with good information are the posts you ignore. I'd like to think your trying to lead town to scum, but it seems like instead you are tunneling one person (me) with false evidence. Also if you don't think your tunneling then give me two good reads (Mrs. Grimm + Aya Y. is the best) that make logical sense. Scum/Possible Scumbuddy: Mrs. Grimm

Wilma F.(0)- Filler, and said she would talk and contribute before just leaving the game. However, the past three filler people were all town so I'm going to leave her at Neutral.

Lulu L.(0)- Quite defensive, which in itself isn't bad, but only got serious when there was a lynch on her. And as Molly said, with no pressure on her, she is literally nonexistent. Sure the posts are somewhat informative, but I really don't like the fact that she hasn't been here for Five Days. Leaning Scum/Possible Scumbuddy: Molly Q. (look at interactions)

Steveland W.(0)- Semi informative posts, and tries to help town. Maybe some streches of inactivity, but beyond that, some reasonable reads. Leaning Town

Aya Y.(0)- Finally came back and got serious for once. The readlist she gave was quite decent, with reasoning behind each verdict. And even though she is trying to attack Molly for bad reasoning, it could be because she is scum and knows who her scumbuddy is and wants to protect town to make her seem townish. On the other hand, maybe it's just town protecting town. Neutral

Yeah so I mean if you look at what I said, Lulu L. and Wilma F. have not been here for a good chunk of time...and Molly Q. ignores them. Maybe that's some decent reasoning for why I think she is scum. Also, be prepared for Molly to tunnel one of them for inactivity Cool


Uhhh... My latest post was on the 22nd of March. I am not sure how that is missing for 5 Days?
by Lulu L.
on Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:42 pm
 
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Honestly, at deadline I had my doubts that Mirror Serena was mafia. Would mafia act like this if they are trying to win? As much as I like the methodical approach to scum hunting, sometimes there are these gut feelings that tell you not to lynch this person even though they act very scummy. Oh well, Mirror Serena didn't even say anything. I actually was kinda surprised by the inactivity near deadline; I always thought most people would come online then. This can be seen as a filler post but I'm just ranting about how lost we are at the moment.

Sidenote: See Nathaniel? The reason I had to type in a different style in the beginning of the game is to hide my identity. Now Aya had figured it out Sad (you should tell me if you see me on PS Smile
by Lulu L.
on Wed Mar 22, 2017 3:13 pm
 
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I'll comment on other posts though, however, I don't think I can finish a read list because I have to go soon.
by Lulu L.
on Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:17 pm
 
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Nathaniel E. wrote:
Lulu L. wrote:So here are my thoughts on the player in the game as of this moment. I hope you do read it all, but if not, I will provide a verdict at the end of each player. I'm using Mastin's guide to scumhunting to help me with this so I will be separating each player into 3 categories: Interactions, Tone and Motive. Starting with the least amount of posts to most (approx):

Mrs.Grimm:
Interactions - Mentioned Molly several times in her early posts, but nothing of much importance. Pointed out Wilma out of the blue in her first post Day 2, again, not much to gain from.
Tone - Now this is the interesting part. Mrs.Grimm went from actively asking for content, lynching those without much contribute and asking Wilma why she disappeared to disappearing from the game herself. I have no idea why, and if it is real life issues, she should have at least posted something when she came on.
Motive - From this point of view, I actually find her to be quite townie. Her posts doesn't seem to have any mafia intentions.
Verdict: Neutral - Should not be lynched (yet) due to lack of interactions

Aya:
Interactions- Seems to "townread" Nathaniel, mainly based on his activity. Interesting that she never commented on any of his "helpful" posts though. Also there was this post where she said something along the line of "town member would feel obligated to post after subbing in too" (referring to Steveland). At first I thought the post was townie as it was sorta like a "voice of reason" but then I was thinking about it again then realized it might be because she didn't want  another lynch on Steveland. Not sure what to think about that.
Tone- Pretty consistent. She gives me this "town mediator" vibe if you know what I mean i.e. not attacking much, but giving good opinions herself. Usually when I feel like this they are scum, but that feeling is kinda weak with her. Need to see more posts.
Motive- Again, pretty neutral to me. Nothing screams scum, but no posts in particular is screaming town to me either.
Verdict: Neutral (like really Neutral). Need to see more posts.

You know what I'm just gonna drop that categorized thing cause it's really time consuming. However, I will keep all 3 of them in mind in the following posts.

Guy F: So far, I really like Guy's posts. He had been pushing those he find scummy (a townie thing), but with strong reasoning to support his claim. This to me is very townie like. Usually, scum would lynch but not follow up (such as lynching and moving on to other players and ignoring the replies). This is not the case with Guy. Honestly, I don't have much to say about him. His posts are very townie like and if he somehow is mafia, then he really is playing an excellent game.
Verdict: Town

Mirror Serena: To me she seems very reactionary and hasty in her lynch, reads and decision. Let me explain. Well, her seems to only target Brianna only because Brianna lynched her. What I mean here is that had Brianna did the same thing but say on another player, I doubt she would even lynch Brianna at all. To me, the lynch is justified, yet it seems that it only happened because Brianna targeted her. Then she lynched Molly, because uhm... she didn't defend well against Nathaniel? You need to explain more of that. Furthermore, it just seems like she lynched Molly because Molly said Mirror Serena should be lynched. I also agree about what others have posted regarding Aya, I can't really see why her posts out of others have been increasingly getting better. This does not help that she literally says "YOU DIDN'T EVEN CHECK TO SEE IF WHAT YOU SAID WAS TRUE". Saying she is lazy and "can't expect every post to be detailed" doesn't help tbh.
Verdict: Scummy

I will take a break here before I continue with the other four players, just to clear my head and let you guys comment whether or not you agree.


Interesting why you are using a guide to help you scumhunt seems fishy

Why does it seem fishy?

Also, why are there only four players in your analysis? Do you not have an opinion on anyone else, or are they the most townie/scummy to you?

Quoting directly from my post, "I will take a break here before I continue with the other four players, just to clear my head and let you guys comment whether or not you agree." Is the question why these 4 first? If so, I already stated I will start with those that have fewer posts cause they are faster.

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You say Mrs. Grimm is townie because she is a hypocrite because she lynches for activity when she is inactive. Though I do agree, if Mrs. Grimm was scum I feel like she would confirm herself when she had one lynch on her. Maybe a bored townie, but definitely not helpful No

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Agreeing that Aya needs more posts, though I don't see where she says she town reads me. Also, some mafia would not attack and just give opinions so that they wouldn't be noticed as much. Though most of the time she just points out stuff  Shocked

She consistently says "Nathaniel should not be lynched". Saying "good source of activity and helpful posts" may not directly imply a town read, but the point is that she doesn't think you are scum.

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I would really like your opinion on everyone else, especially Molly. I don't know why, but I feel like a Mirror Serena + Molly Q. scumteam is completely possible, as Molly has been literally ignoring the fact Mirror Serena has more filler posts than me.

"finally I'd like to note that a mirror serena lynch is fine at this point, as her most recent posts also have little to no content, despite her saying "I finally have time to be active" now."

Molly says that a Mirror Serena lynch is fine, and backs up the reasoning with 1 sentence. Also it seemed sketchy when Mirror Serena lynched Molly, mainly because no one believed Molly was scum except maybe Wilma up to that point. I just have a feeling.

I don't think I can finish it before deadline, but I will finish my 4 reads tomorrow.


Comments in Bold.
by Lulu L.
on Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:14 pm
 
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So here are my thoughts on the player in the game as of this moment. I hope you do read it all, but if not, I will provide a verdict at the end of each player. I'm using Mastin's guide to scumhunting to help me with this so I will be separating each player into 3 categories: Interactions, Tone and Motive. Starting with the least amount of posts to most (approx):

Mrs.Grimm:
Interactions - Mentioned Molly several times in her early posts, but nothing of much importance. Pointed out Wilma out of the blue in her first post Day 2, again, not much to gain from.
Tone - Now this is the interesting part. Mrs.Grimm went from actively asking for content, lynching those without much contribute and asking Wilma why she disappeared to disappearing from the game herself. I have no idea why, and if it is real life issues, she should have at least posted something when she came on.
Motive - From this point of view, I actually find her to be quite townie. Her posts doesn't seem to have any mafia intentions.
Verdict: Neutral - Should not be lynched (yet) due to lack of interactions

Aya:
Interactions- Seems to "townread" Nathaniel, mainly based on his activity. Interesting that she never commented on any of his "helpful" posts though. Also there was this post where she said something along the line of "town member would feel obligated to post after subbing in too" (referring to Steveland). At first I thought the post was townie as it was sorta like a "voice of reason" but then I was thinking about it again then realized it might be because she didn't want another lynch on Steveland. Not sure what to think about that.
Tone- Pretty consistent. She gives me this "town mediator" vibe if you know what I mean i.e. not attacking much, but giving good opinions herself. Usually when I feel like this they are scum, but that feeling is kinda weak with her. Need to see more posts.
Motive- Again, pretty neutral to me. Nothing screams scum, but no posts in particular is screaming town to me either.
Verdict: Neutral (like really Neutral). Need to see more posts.

You know what I'm just gonna drop that categorized thing cause it's really time consuming. However, I will keep all 3 of them in mind in the following posts.

Guy F: So far, I really like Guy's posts. He had been pushing those he find scummy (a townie thing), but with strong reasoning to support his claim. This to me is very townie like. Usually, scum would lynch but not follow up (such as lynching and moving on to other players and ignoring the replies). This is not the case with Guy. Honestly, I don't have much to say about him. His posts are very townie like and if he somehow is mafia, then he really is playing an excellent game.
Verdict: Town

Mirror Serena: To me she seems very reactionary and hasty in her lynch, reads and decision. Let me explain. Well, her seems to only target Brianna only because Brianna lynched her. What I mean here is that had Brianna did the same thing but say on another player, I doubt she would even lynch Brianna at all. To me, the lynch is justified, yet it seems that it only happened because Brianna targeted her. Then she lynched Molly, because uhm... she didn't defend well against Nathaniel? You need to explain more of that. Furthermore, it just seems like she lynched Molly because Molly said Mirror Serena should be lynched. I also agree about what others have posted regarding Aya, I can't really see why her posts out of others have been increasingly getting better. This does not help that she literally says "YOU DIDN'T EVEN CHECK TO SEE IF WHAT YOU SAID WAS TRUE". Saying she is lazy and "can't expect every post to be detailed" doesn't help tbh.
Verdict: Scummy

I will take a break here before I continue with the other four players, just to clear my head and let you guys comment whether or not you agree.




by Lulu L.
on Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:05 pm
 
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But before that, I actually want to point out something. Tonight will be the first night that mafia will get a kill, so logically, I expected that some players would reduce/maintain their activity to "hide" from being a target. Something I didn't expect however, is an activity rise by many players today. Interesting thought... although I am not sure whether it will actually result to anything.
by Lulu L.
on Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:58 am
 
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So Nathaniel has plurality and I wonder how he will react to that. I thought Brianna was quite scummy for randomly unlynching, so I didn't mind her lynched. Anyways, player by player analysis coming soon! <3
by Lulu L.
on Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:52 am
 
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While I collect my thoughts on what happened so far, I want Wilma to type her thoughts on Nathaniel as she promised Surprised
by Lulu L.
on Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:00 pm
 
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Molly Q. wrote:I will re-access my lynch once, but the only person who's activity I am satisfied with thus far is Nathaniel. Low activity does not correlate to scumminess, low activity w/ no contributions even when they post does.


Wilma F. wrote:
Guy F. wrote:Wilma, if you have barely anything to say about the other people in the game then why did you make a full readlist? You could have just talked about the people you wanted to address since what you would have said would have been useful and not just a bunch of reads where you dont conclude anything from it. Did you feel like making a full readlist would make you appear more town-sided?


I realized that actually going through the pages and reading everything like that would just be too much, so instead I looked through the posts going by person and if I'm going to go through everyone's posts like that I might as well say something about everyone, even ones where there isn't much to say.

Also this whole thing was in response to Molly talking about my "null reads" because apparently reads with no content mean you're scum. Which is honestly ridiculous because in every. single. game. there are people where you just can't get a read, basically what I'm saying is that her reasoning for lynching me is kind of ridiculous and brings up the possibility of a Molly + Lulu scumteam, considering I was lynching Lulu at that point. (not saying I think they're scum, it's a really minor thing which I am pointing out so everyone can consider it)

Now I will be looking through the stuff from yesterday that wasn't addressed at me and also Nathaniel so that post is coming too.


Considering that Molly pointed out on day 1 that she considers activity without contribution to be scummy, I do not see why you would see Molly as defending me. The question whether "low content correlates to scumminess" is another topic, but the thing to consider here is that she did not accuse you out of the blue. That is very important when considering whether someone is defending or not. Of course, I cannot say Molly is town. I can, however, say that your theory is wrong.

To further add to this, you seem to be really "neutral". Many reads on your list are neutral and this post doesn't help. You suspect a Molly + Lulu scumteam, but quickly afterwards say "not saying I think they're scum". I'm quite confused; what is the purpose of this message? Are you saying we are scum or not?
by Lulu L.
on Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:57 pm
 
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Brianna D. wrote:Okay sorry guys life is busy. But just in case let me
Unlynch Mirror Serena

I read through it and I really don't have enough thoughts for a read list but there were some things I wanted to comment on so I'll quote in the next few posts.


Well that was a bit out of the blue, why did you unlynch Mirror Serena?
by Lulu L.
on Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:44 pm
 
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Just putting it out there in case you reply Wilma, but if you are gonna accused me of being defensive, you better come up with a stronger argument because right now I am just so confused at how you even arrive at this conclusion.
by Lulu L.
on Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:17 pm
 
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Wilma F. wrote:for the first point, I didn't realize you were still online so that's my bad.

with the second point, while you didn't use the word scummy, you did say you really wanted to lynch her, so that lead me to assume you thought she was scummy. that doesn't mean what I said is an outright lie, it means I misinterpreted what you said, which honestly isn't weird because you don't say you want to lynch someone without thinking they're scummy/useless, and I'm certain you weren't going for useless.

as for the third point, as of right now we don't have a lot to go off with most people so there really isn't any reasoning to be had other than someone just acting what seems like weird. Confused just means that I really don't know what to do with the person, I don't know if their behaviour is scummy or if they're a weird towny.

with your second post, that was meant jokingly and to make a point about how things I mentioned before that didn't automatically make you scum.

The thing is, with these posts, as soon as there was pressure on you your personality seems to have drastically changed. Where before it was all !!! and :PPP now you seem VERY serious. Which really isn't making me change my mind on lynching you.


Okay let me just ask you something here:

1) Why do you think I am "scummy" in wanting to lynch Mrs.Grimm but not Aya's reasoning (I don't like his fun or name pun) or Nathaniel's (He is one spot ahead of me in PL)? That seems like double standard to me, considering I didn't actually lynch Mrs.Grimm.

2) Let me quote you "That's more about someone as a person than any roles." when you think I am getting serious. Don't you think that applies here? Anyways, my reason for the personality change is that I don't want to reveal who I am. I am usually "serious" so it is very easy for others to guess who I am, and since this game is "Guess who?" I wanted to try another persona. That didn't work really well did it.
by Lulu L.
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Also this is more off-topic but what is up with everyone saying I am town lol

like we have Nathaniel and Steveland "I'm confirmed to myself" then Wilma came in with "I'm personally convinced that I am town" like

Question
by Lulu L.
on Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:53 pm
 
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Wilma F. wrote:so right now I think Steveland is acting kind of strange, with talking about activity and such yet having 4 posts so far. Also completely copying what someone said before with the "confirmed to myself" stuff.

Also for whatever reason Guy F. is randomly putting letters in bold? I'm just confused with this guy

Molly just kind of seems like she doesn't know who to go for or what to do, with asking for activity without doing anything herself, then saying she's happy with Nathaniel's activity only to go on and lynch him.

Serena is just confusing to me? she's just not doing anything whatsoever? She's here but doesn't seem to care.

While Aya Y isn't very active she at least seems to make sense when she says things.

Nathaniel seems like he's trying too hard to make sure people don't know who he is but aside from that I can't really get a read on him.

Lulu seems overexcited for the whole of 1 post, then disappears. Which I know isn't condemning as I did the same thing and I'm personally convinced that I am town, though I would understand if you all aren't. The thing is, she was actually online today, and she hasn't said anything since the start. I just really don't like her logic either, saying someone's scummy because of them saying "confirming"? that just, does NOT make sense. That's more about someone as a person than any roles.

Mrs. Grimm hasn't really done much and I don't really trust her.

Lastly there's Brianna D. and something's just off aobut her, when she posts it seems like she's really talkative but she's not really saying a whole lot. 3 of her posts actually don't have anything to do with the game. she has 6 posts.

as of right now I'm going to lynch Lulu L. for reasons mentioned above at her part. She's just the scummiest right now.


Love how you put a spin into everything I did.

1) I was online and never said anything yes, but, I never WENT OFFLINE because I intend to post something.

2) I never actually used the word scummy to describe Mrs.Grimm, so that is an outright lie. Moreover, it was during RVS stage when many people decided to lynch for reasons such as "I don't like the look on his face and name pun", "He's one player ahead of me on PL". This is further proven when I decided to lynch Steveland instead. If anything, you should check out the previous game's lynch on Keanu R. where that logic had (luckily) worked before.

3) Please provide more reasoning to your read list. You don't trust Mrs.Grimm because what again? Why can't you get a read on Nathaniel when he has the most posts in the game? Also saying that you are "confused" doesn't really help much.
by Lulu L.
on Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:41 pm
 
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Hellllllllllllllo everyone as you can see L is my favorite "L"etter of the aLphabet!!!

I really want to lynch Mrs.Grimm for her confirmation post; "confirming" seems like something a mafia would type, trying to not attract too much attention. I know it sounds dumb, but it have worked before in the past!!! Also we are just in RVS so why not :PPP Okay, I guess it's dumb, so I won't do it.

I will Lynch Steveland for basically just repeating the points that have been stated before by someone else.
by Lulu L.
on Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:45 pm
 
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Mafia bout to hold this L

CONFIRM
by Lulu L.
on Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:19 pm
 
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